The confederate flag is moronic, period. Supporting the confederate flag is not being proud of where you are from, it is being proud of the confederacy and what they stood for. So that said, anyone who sports it is a racist. Period.
I try to answer unless I can tell someone is being antagonistic with a less than pure motive
which wouldn't be you.
Do you have Civil War Reenactments in Florida? I don't know if you do.
Have you visited the websites? seen the number of people participating?
These are just active members, consider the many others enjoying
of the same frame of mind and heart.
I do not believe it is slim at all. I believe those who hate are in slim pickings myself.
I will always believe this. I think there is a hell of a lot of negativity and assuming going on.
The nice people I know who should not be hated might be catching crap.
Some can not tell the difference nor would take the time too.
Seems strange to me to cry hate then hate yourself. You better be really sure who you are hating
and if they deserve it.
Is a hate group made by severely disturbed racists. Click on almost any link there and it will take you directly to a white supremacy group.
A librarian showed me this a long time ago. She showed it to me as a lesson that everything is not what it seems. Check out the domain names, before you trust a site. The only reason I remember the website is because I was so sick with shock.
It has a perfect smiley mask until you actually read the content. :shock:
I try to answer unless I can tell someone is being antagonistic with a less than pure motive
which wouldn't be you.
Do you have Civil War Reenactments in Florida? I don't know if you do.
Have you visited the websites? seen the number of people participating?
These are just active members, consider the many others enjoying
of the same frame of mind and heart.
I do not believe it is slim at all. I believe those who hate are in slim pickings myself.
I will always believe this. I think there is a hell of a lot of negativity and assuming going on.
The nice people I know who should not be hated might be catching crap.
Some can not tell the difference nor would take the time too. Seems strange to me to cry hate then hate yourself.
You better be really sure who you are hating and if they deserve it.
Is a hate group made by severely disturbed racists. Click on almost any link there and it will take you directly to a white supremacy group.
A librarian showed me this a long time ago. She showed it to me as a lesson that everything is not what it seems. Check out the domain names, before you trust a site. The only reason I remember the website is because I was so sick with shock.
It has a perfect smiley mask until you actually read the content. :shock:
It's disgusting.
And for one hater how many lovers?
Goes without saying hate is disgusting. All hate. Some haters can not see they hate.
Do you know who you are?
17 years ago when I was 40 I made a pact with God to try not to judge others,
to expect the best of them.
I figure if I can live half my life trying that I will reap rewards.
And I have!
I have been blessed to know the most wonderful people, that it appears
that some might judge, generalize and lump with haters.
Using the word ALL regularly.
I have been blessed to know black people who are living their life with the same pledge.
A kinship we have in God's love and goal.
It saddens the remarks that I am baiting when I speak the truth.
It saddens to think others are so quick to judge. ALL black people
do not find the flag offensive or those displaying as being antagonistic.
I know this because I know some, I speak to them and know their hearts.
Because we are together in this kinship and goal for all of us, for God.
Forgiveness divine. My wish those judging could learn this to live happier lives.
It saddens that there are some people whose life experiences are stifled
for the consistent judging and negativity that is eating away their hearts.
The fortunate thing I guess is they can not recognize what is happening to them.
Give people a try, no need to be so suspicious, to assume the worst.
And no I'm not talking about hate groups as in the link...
I'm talking about the people who are being judged for honoring the flag
and their ancestry. The next time you see the flag don't be so quick to judge.
We know not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South. Some people recognize and remember this today and that is a good thing.
It would be nice if all could and give people the benefit of the doubt.
Goes without saying hate is disgusting. All hate. Some haters can not see they hate.
Do you know who you are?
17 years ago when I was 40 I made a pact with God to try not to judge others,
to expect the best of them.
I figure if I can live half my life trying that I will reap rewards.
And I have!
I have been blessed to know the most wonderful people, that it appears
that some might judge, generalize and lump with haters.
Using the word ALL regularly.
I have been blessed to know black people who are living their life with the same pledge.
A kinship we have in God's love and goal.
It saddens the remarks that I am baiting when I speak the truth. It saddens to think others are so quick to judge. ALL black people
do not find the flag offensive or those displaying as being antagonistic.
I know this because I know some, I speak to them and know their hearts.
Because we are together in this kinship and goal for all of us, for God.
Forgiveness divine. My wish those judging could learn this to live happier lives.
It saddens that there are some people whose life experiences are stifled
for the consistent judging and negativity that is eating away their hearts.
The fortunate thing I guess is they can not recognize what is happening to them.
Give people a try, no need to be so suspicious, to assume the worst.
And no I'm not talking about hate groups as in the link...
I'm talking about the people who are being judged for honoring the flag
and their ancestry. The next time you see the flag don't be so quick to judge.
We know not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South. Some people recognize and remember this today and that is a good thing.
It would be nice if all could and give people the benefit of the doubt.
who does it sadden, who's sad? you've stated "it saddens." who are you talking about?
why not fly the confederate flag & wear the belt buckle? you still have not met the challenge asked of you yesterday have you? why isn't your gifted rebel flag waving high from atop your front porch and family business?
Goes without saying hate is disgusting. All hate. Some haters can not see they hate.
Do you know who you are?
17 years ago when I was 40 I made a pact with God to try not to judge others,
to expect the best of them.
I figure if I can live half my life trying that I will reap rewards.
And I have!
I have been blessed to know the most wonderful people, that it appears
that some might judge, generalize and lump with haters.
Using the word ALL regularly.
I have been blessed to know black people who are living their life with the same pledge.
A kinship we have in God's love and goal.
It saddens the remarks that I am baiting when I speak the truth.
It saddens to think others are so quick to judge. ALL black people
do not find the flag offensive or those displaying as being antagonistic.
I know this because I know some, I speak to them and know their hearts.
Because we are together in this kinship and goal for all of us, for God.
Forgiveness divine. My wish those judging could learn this to live happier lives.
It saddens that there are some people whose life experiences are stifled
for the consistent judging and negativity that is eating away their hearts.
The fortunate thing I guess is they can not recognize what is happening to them.
Give people a try, no need to be so suspicious, to assume the worst.
And no I'm not talking about hate groups as in the link...
I'm talking about the people who are being judged for honoring the flag
and their ancestry. The next time you see the flag don't be so quick to judge.
We know not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South. Some people recognize and remember this today and that is a good thing.
It would be nice if all could and give people the benefit of the doubt.
I actually find it pretty despicable that you'll stoop so low as to use even this thread topic - racism, bigotry, e.t.c - as a platform from which to try and preach condescendingly down your nose to us all. You twist every thread topic into being all about your own little fantasy World, and then spend the next 10 or 20 pages arguing with, and patronizing everyone, in the hope that we'll all suddenly fall to our knees and regard you as the second coming.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's never gonna happen. Nobody's buying it.
Nine times out of ten, the thread you hijack and turn into your preachers platform, ends up getting locked. And I suspect this one will go the same way. (God knows why I came back into it, as I'll probably end up getting banned now for telling you these home truths).
Here, I'll spell it our for you again: Black people in America do not regard the Confederate flag as representative of anything but hate, and racism. This is a fact. And this fact can not be sidestepped, or altered because of any self-serving fantasy you've concocted in your head.
You say that: 'not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South.'
Would you say the same thing about the Nazi Swastika, or the symbol of the SS? Not all Germans supported Nazism, and not all supported the Final Solution. So what? Does that mean if any of these people fly the Swastika in order to 'honour their ancestors' then that's all fine and dandy? And does it mean that if anyone here points this out that they are 'haters', who lack 'understanding', and 'love', and 'compassion'?
I think it shows how few blacks post on this message board, as I'm pretty sure if any did then they'd have rolled you up into a ball and pinged you into the corner for the crap you just posted.
Carry on.
Edit: Here, I'll try and do you a favour. I wouldn't like to see you waste any more time in your effort to recruit converts to your cause. Rather than using the Pearl Jam message board as a platform from which to preach to the ignorant masses - thereby upsetting people, and getting upset yourself in the process, getting threads locked, and getting people banned, including yourself - why not start a blog instead, and use that to try and win some followers? That way, we can all live happily ever after.
I was gonna quote that same line and ask that same question.
But I'd rather pull my eyeballs out with rusty fishhooks than read the response.
The whole world will be different soon... - EV
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
Goes without saying hate is disgusting. All hate. Some haters can not see they hate.
Do you know who you are?
17 years ago when I was 40 I made a pact with God to try not to judge others,
to expect the best of them.
I figure if I can live half my life trying that I will reap rewards.
And I have!
I have been blessed to know the most wonderful people, that it appears
that some might judge, generalize and lump with haters.
Using the word ALL regularly.
I have been blessed to know black people who are living their life with the same pledge.
A kinship we have in God's love and goal.
It saddens the remarks that I am baiting when I speak the truth. It saddens to think others are so quick to judge. ALL black people
do not find the flag offensive or those displaying as being antagonistic.
I know this because I know some, I speak to them and know their hearts.
Because we are together in this kinship and goal for all of us, for God.
Forgiveness divine. My wish those judging could learn this to live happier lives.
It saddens that there are some people whose life experiences are stifled
for the consistent judging and negativity that is eating away their hearts.
The fortunate thing I guess is they can not recognize what is happening to them.
Give people a try, no need to be so suspicious, to assume the worst.
And no I'm not talking about hate groups as in the link...
I'm talking about the people who are being judged for honoring the flag
and their ancestry. The next time you see the flag don't be so quick to judge.
We know not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South. Some people recognize and remember this today and that is a good thing.
It would be nice if all could and give people the benefit of the doubt.
who does it sadden, who's sad? you've stated "it saddens." who are you talking about?
why not fly the confederate flag & wear the belt buckle? you still have not met the challenge asked of you yesterday have you? why isn't your gifted rebel flag waving high from atop your front porch and family business?
You should reread its quite explanatory but here goes...
Personally it saddens me that I am told I am baiting when I am sharing life experiences,
it also saddens me that others are so quick to judge.
I believe it saddens most people to see those who are hating
and judging. Who wants hate?
Don't you want less hate Chadwick? Why do you perpetrate it then?
My dad always said the south will rise again because shit floats. Lol
Hmmmm.... only time will tell!!! Which will it be? Bets on!
(And how did we make the leap from confederate flag to god and barstool preaching???? :?
It got to God because the people I spoke of have God in their hearts
and base their lives on forgiveness, kindness and understanding, whatever color they are.
Something that should be addressed when we are speaking of hate groups because who is really
hating the most are those hating without knowing who they are hating. A generalized hate.
less hate = burning & destroying all hate symbols & all ignorant bullshit
less hate = assassinating all pedophiles & monsters
less hate = putting a hole through mr. castro's (of ohio) skull & allowing him to rot in the street
less hate = demanding the rothschilds family to feed africa
less hate = stop getting me & others banned from this site
less hate = turning this country over to the native americans as well as mexico, central & south america all back to the natives... and canada
less hate = murdering on the spot those who murder rhinos, elephants, gorillas & the like
less hate = stringing up ted nugent & his animal murdering pals on their little safari
less hate = me. because i am a smiling happy go lucky son of bitch
It got to God because the people I spoke of have God in their hearts
and base their lives on forgiveness, kindness and understanding, whatever color they are.
Something that should be addressed when we are speaking of hate groups because who is really
hating the most are those hating without knowing who they are hating. A generalized hate.
And here I was thinking we were talking about a flag, debating whether it was offensive or historical (or maybe both).. :?
I think its time for some to reread the thread and see exactly what was posted
not what they thought or hoped was posted. Notice the word ALL...
when we know that is an absolute and ALL is the basis of racism.
ALL is where generalized hate begins. Not seeing the individual.
The small mindedness of ALL is what people are crying about in the hate groups
yet it seems it flourishes elsewhere as well.
How can people complain about hate yet still hate?
I see no one addressed my words that many Southerners did not own slaves
nor support slavery.That many did not support succession. Yet they fought and died for the South.
Don't be so quick to judge the flag. It honors those as well.
less hate = burning & destroying all hate symbols & all ignorant bullshit
less hate = assassinating all pedophiles & monsters
less hate = putting a hole through mr. castro's (of ohio) skull & allowing him to rot in the street
less hate = demanding the rothschilds family to feed africa
less hate = stop getting me & others banned from this site
less hate = turning this country over to the native americans as well as mexico, central & south america all back to the natives... and canada
less hate = murdering on the spot those who murder rhinos, elephants, gorillas & the like
less hate = stringing up ted nugent & his animal murdering pals on their little safari
less hate = me. because i am a smiling happy go lucky son of bitch
I'll go with the last one
Ummm... though not sure about your assassinating, putting a hole through people's heads and murdering! Though I might let you off on the stringing up Ted Nugent!
I see no one addressed my words that many Southerners did not own slaves
nor support slavery.That many did not support succession. Yet they fought and died for the South..
the consensus is that the Confederate flag is offensive for most, but it is ok to fly it if you have black friends?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
It got to God because the people I spoke of have God in their hearts
and base their lives on forgiveness, kindness and understanding, whatever color they are.
Something that should be addressed when we are speaking of hate groups because who is really
hating the most are those hating without knowing who they are hating. A generalized hate.
And here I was thinking we were talking about a flag, debating whether it was offensive or historical (or maybe both).. :?
(And what a convoluted 'hate' argument ....)
reread friend ... their is much hate in this thread
People believe the flag represents hate when it does not to ALL.
the consensus is that the Confederate flag is offensive for most, but it is ok to fly it if you have black friends?
here again another ALL :?
reread the thread please if you are really interested that is
and next time you see a flag don't assume the person is wrong or racist to fly it.
This pretty much the gist of my posts.
Comments
Do you really want to see/read hate? This website http://www.martinlutherking.org/
Is a hate group made by severely disturbed racists. Click on almost any link there and it will take you directly to a white supremacy group.
A librarian showed me this a long time ago. She showed it to me as a lesson that everything is not what it seems. Check out the domain names, before you trust a site. The only reason I remember the website is because I was so sick with shock.
It has a perfect smiley mask until you actually read the content. :shock:
It's disgusting.
Can someone explain why New Jersey has it's own show(s) on MTV? Shit floats mainstream.
:crazy:
"I see..", said a blind man to his deaf daughter on the telephone..." -anonymous
Goes without saying hate is disgusting. All hate. Some haters can not see they hate.
Do you know who you are?
17 years ago when I was 40 I made a pact with God to try not to judge others,
to expect the best of them.
I figure if I can live half my life trying that I will reap rewards.
And I have!
I have been blessed to know the most wonderful people, that it appears
that some might judge, generalize and lump with haters.
Using the word ALL regularly.
I have been blessed to know black people who are living their life with the same pledge.
A kinship we have in God's love and goal.
It saddens the remarks that I am baiting when I speak the truth.
It saddens to think others are so quick to judge. ALL black people
do not find the flag offensive or those displaying as being antagonistic.
I know this because I know some, I speak to them and know their hearts.
Because we are together in this kinship and goal for all of us, for God.
Forgiveness divine. My wish those judging could learn this to live happier lives.
It saddens that there are some people whose life experiences are stifled
for the consistent judging and negativity that is eating away their hearts.
The fortunate thing I guess is they can not recognize what is happening to them.
Give people a try, no need to be so suspicious, to assume the worst.
And no I'm not talking about hate groups as in the link...
I'm talking about the people who are being judged for honoring the flag
and their ancestry. The next time you see the flag don't be so quick to judge.
We know not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South. Some people recognize and remember this today and that is a good thing.
It would be nice if all could and give people the benefit of the doubt.
who does it sadden, who's sad? you've stated "it saddens." who are you talking about?
why not fly the confederate flag & wear the belt buckle? you still have not met the challenge asked of you yesterday have you? why isn't your gifted rebel flag waving high from atop your front porch and family business?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
I actually find it pretty despicable that you'll stoop so low as to use even this thread topic - racism, bigotry, e.t.c - as a platform from which to try and preach condescendingly down your nose to us all. You twist every thread topic into being all about your own little fantasy World, and then spend the next 10 or 20 pages arguing with, and patronizing everyone, in the hope that we'll all suddenly fall to our knees and regard you as the second coming.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's never gonna happen. Nobody's buying it.
Nine times out of ten, the thread you hijack and turn into your preachers platform, ends up getting locked. And I suspect this one will go the same way. (God knows why I came back into it, as I'll probably end up getting banned now for telling you these home truths).
Here, I'll spell it our for you again: Black people in America do not regard the Confederate flag as representative of anything but hate, and racism. This is a fact. And this fact can not be sidestepped, or altered because of any self-serving fantasy you've concocted in your head.
You say that: 'not all Southerners were slave owners nor supported slavery.
Many were not in favor of succession but they fought. They suffered and they died
for the South.'
Would you say the same thing about the Nazi Swastika, or the symbol of the SS? Not all Germans supported Nazism, and not all supported the Final Solution. So what? Does that mean if any of these people fly the Swastika in order to 'honour their ancestors' then that's all fine and dandy? And does it mean that if anyone here points this out that they are 'haters', who lack 'understanding', and 'love', and 'compassion'?
I think it shows how few blacks post on this message board, as I'm pretty sure if any did then they'd have rolled you up into a ball and pinged you into the corner for the crap you just posted.
Carry on.
Edit: Here, I'll try and do you a favour. I wouldn't like to see you waste any more time in your effort to recruit converts to your cause. Rather than using the Pearl Jam message board as a platform from which to preach to the ignorant masses - thereby upsetting people, and getting upset yourself in the process, getting threads locked, and getting people banned, including yourself - why not start a blog instead, and use that to try and win some followers? That way, we can all live happily ever after.
I was gonna quote that same line and ask that same question.
But I'd rather pull my eyeballs out with rusty fishhooks than read the response.
RED ROCKS 6-19-95
AUGUSTA 9-26-96
MANSFIELD 9-15-98
BOSTON 9-29-04
BOSTON 5-25-06
MANSFIELD 6-30-08
EV SOLO BOSTON 8-01-08
BOSTON 5-17-10
EV SOLO BOSTON 6-16-11
PJ20 9-3-11
PJ20 9-4-11
WRIGLEY 7-19-13
WORCESTER 10-15-13
WORCESTER 10-16-13
HARTFORD 10-25-13
I hear you, brother.
Hmmmm.... only time will tell!!! Which will it be? Bets on!
(And how did we make the leap from confederate flag to god and barstool preaching???? :?
Doesn't that seem to happen in most threads?
Personally it saddens me that I am told I am baiting when I am sharing life experiences,
it also saddens me that others are so quick to judge.
I believe it saddens most people to see those who are hating
and judging. Who wants hate?
Don't you want less hate Chadwick? Why do you perpetrate it then?
He's not doing anything of the sort.
Where's the photo of you and your black friends displaying the Confederate flag in public?
It got to God because the people I spoke of have God in their hearts
and base their lives on forgiveness, kindness and understanding, whatever color they are.
Something that should be addressed when we are speaking of hate groups because who is really
hating the most are those hating without knowing who they are hating. A generalized hate.
less hate = assassinating all pedophiles & monsters
less hate = putting a hole through mr. castro's (of ohio) skull & allowing him to rot in the street
less hate = demanding the rothschilds family to feed africa
less hate = stop getting me & others banned from this site
less hate = turning this country over to the native americans as well as mexico, central & south america all back to the natives... and canada
less hate = murdering on the spot those who murder rhinos, elephants, gorillas & the like
less hate = stringing up ted nugent & his animal murdering pals on their little safari
less hate = me. because i am a smiling happy go lucky son of bitch
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And here I was thinking we were talking about a flag, debating whether it was offensive or historical (or maybe both).. :?
(And what a convoluted 'hate' argument
not what they thought or hoped was posted. Notice the word ALL...
when we know that is an absolute and ALL is the basis of racism.
ALL is where generalized hate begins. Not seeing the individual.
The small mindedness of ALL is what people are crying about in the hate groups
yet it seems it flourishes elsewhere as well.
How can people complain about hate yet still hate?
I see no one addressed my words that many Southerners did not own slaves
nor support slavery.That many did not support succession. Yet they fought and died for the South.
Don't be so quick to judge the flag. It honors those as well.
I'll go with the last one
Ummm... though not sure about your assassinating, putting a hole through people's heads and murdering! Though I might let you off on the stringing up Ted Nugent!
I think it has been addressed....
But hey... who reads ALL the postings here, eh?
the consensus is that the Confederate flag is offensive for most, but it is ok to fly it if you have black friends?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
People believe the flag represents hate when it does not to ALL.
Whose hate?
Anyway... no discussion is to be had here... Might as well ignore until we get past this 'phase' of the thread (if ever).
reread the thread please if you are really interested that is
and next time you see a flag don't assume the person is wrong or racist to fly it.
This pretty much the gist of my posts.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce