confederate flag: offensive or historical?

redrock

chadwick wrote:

unreal

so those of us who dislike the rebel flag & believe those who display it are hateful morons, we are programmed with a small mind and we do not know wonderful people

Quite perplexing.

As Jonny said: 'And the majority of folks here have seen how its often (but not always) a symbol of something somewhat offensive to an entire race.'

Not sure why the majority would be negative or hateful looking at a flag and seeing it for what it has come to represent. Anybody here said they 'hated' the flag (well.. maybe one person used the word)??? What is offensive is the symbolism behind this flag (as accepted by the majority).

A 'majority' will understand how the flag is displayed. As others said, other attitudes are linked with this...

chadwick

in all my years (40 of them) I have never ever never ever met a decent human being who displayed the confederate flag & not be a racist pile of garbage. every single rebel flag waver I have ever been in contact with is a redneck hillbilly drunk with a big problem towards others of darker skin.

truthfully they beat their women 99% of the time as well

gotta love uneducated southern rednecks displaying a hate flag with no frickin teeth & their ol' ladies are sporting black eyes

redrock

chadwick wrote:

in all my years (40 of them) I have never ever never ever met a decent human being who displayed the confederate flag & not be a racist pile of garbage.....

You're just not moving in the right circles and meeting any of the amazing wonderful honorable people.... Or maybe you just haven't got enough years on you yet... it may still come...

pandora

chadwick wrote:

Pandora Pandora Pandora

you are an incredible human being. with that said. I have a challenge for you, your husband & your family & your wonderful friends. I challenge you all to get bumper stickers, car flags, flags for the front porch of your house, & I am challenging you to sport the confederate flag at your family owned printing station.

as a matter of fact you could print up endless rebel flags & it would probably be cheaper than buying them.

get hot!

I was given a gift of the Rebel Flag from someone who has helped me greatly with
my ancestry searches.

Our biz has a music theme... 'Where printing rocks' " Printing on the run"...
so we display a giant guitar on the wall. Still getting frames for our favorite artist parade.
It should be quite cool when it is all done.
Bumper stickers I don't do on the Caddie for fear of death by Daddy
and our company car also has a guitar theme.

Now if we were going to a reenactment of one of the battles you might see me sportin,
though.

I will not associate the flag with hate because I associate it with the good people I know
but by all means Chadwick go ahead and hate and assume. It is a free country.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

chadwick wrote:

in all my years (40 of them) I have never ever never ever met a decent human being who displayed the confederate flag & not be a racist pile of garbage.....

You're just not moving in the right circles and meeting any of the amazing wonderful honorable people.... Or maybe you just haven't got enough years on you yet... it may still come...

yes I do believe you nailed it. im to young & only know igits

chadwick

you are too scared to sport the rebel flag, true or false? I mean really. all this talk about how awesome your people are (both darker skinned & lighter skinned people) who display the flag & you can't follow their suit when asked to defend your own beliefs

I call bullshit

chadwick

I want pictures of all your confederate flag waving pals. prove to me & everyone else you have darker colored friends who adore the flag. I chadwick want 100% proof


there are none, right?

pandora

chadwick wrote:

you are too scared to sport the rebel flag, true or false? I mean really. all this talk about how awesome your people are (both darker skinned & lighter skinned people) who display the flag & you can't follow their suit when asked to defend your own beliefs

I call bullshit

that is to true form

chadwick

hang that gifted rebel flag you got on your front porch & you need one hanging outside your printing station. take pictures & have smiling faces. don't forget to get your darker colored friends to show up for the confederate flag parade

the Pandora rebel flag challenge is set & in stone. you have 3 days to comply or be ticketed

PJ_Soul

I think anyone who thinks the Confederate flag isn't an offensive symbol of racism now is an asshole. Plain and simple. I don't care what anyone's excuses are. If they don't understand how disgusting it is to display or defend displaying that flag, they're assholes because they are unwilling to acknowledge the suffering that this flag symbolizes. They'd rather just wave a fucking flag and yell "Yahoo! The South!"

pandora

chadwick wrote:

I want pictures of all your confederate flag waving pals. prove to me & everyone else you have darker colored friends who adore the flag. I chadwick want 100% proof


there are none, right?

I will ask my friends if they are ok with me posting pics. They are not PJ fans but great people
none the less. Of course when I tell them why I need to post them
that's going to make some PJ fans look kind of bizarre

chadwick

PJ_Soul wrote:

I think anyone who thinks the Confederate flag isn't an offensive symbol of racism now is an asshole. Plain and simple. I don't care what anyone's excuses are. If they don't understand how disgusting it is to display or defend displaying that flag, they're assholes because they are unwilling to acknowledge the suffering that this flag symbolizes. They'd rather just wave a fucking flag and yell "Yahoo! The South!"

#truth

chadwick

pandora wrote:

chadwick wrote:

I want pictures of all your confederate flag waving pals. prove to me & everyone else you have darker colored friends who adore the flag. I chadwick want 100% proof


there are none, right?

I will ask my friends if they are ok with me posting pics. They are not PJ fans but great people
none the less. Of course when I tell them why I need to post them
that's going to make some PJ fans look kind of bizarre

post pics of you, bj & the fam & the printing station all geared up in confederate memorabilia. do not just stop at the flag. belt buckles, coolers of beer, trucks w/ gun racks, bloodhounds, & abused women

redrock

Saw this commentary - though it expressed quite well what the 'majority's' view on the flag is. I know it's 'just' an opinion like the ones stated here but it's well said (at least I think so).



"COMMENTARY | Living in the South, this subject comes up way too often. I'm used to reading the reasons why -- proud of my Southern heritage, my ancestors fought for the Confederacy, blah, blah, blah. I'm more than a little over discussing the subject. While reading the article about Annie Chambers Caddell's Confederate flag proudly displayed in a predominantly black South Carolina neighborhood, my interest in the flag debate rose again. Not because of her reasons for flying the flag (if you're curious about her reasons, see the reasons I listed above), but because of her emotional assertion that she isn't racist.

I'm going to educate Caddell about why people (like her black neighbors) assume she is racist for raising that flag. I'll start with a little analogy.

My Opa (German for "grandpa") and two of my uncles fought for Hitler. Two of my other uncles were in Hitler's youth camps. My father was not old enough to either fight or attend a youth camp. My father did, however, grow up to marry a Puerto Rican woman and work for a very nice Arab family. Am I proud of my father? Yes, I am. Yet, I wouldn't don a S.S. uniform and waltz into a synagogue proclaiming, "Nah, don't worry. I'm not an anti-Semite. I'm just proud of my ancestors and celebrating my heritage." And then act shocked and indignant when everyone does not comfortably accept my assertion. Perhaps even shed a lone tear in wonderment as to why they would possibly take offense to my action.

Why?

I understand that Hitler was a horrid person, his actions atrocious. Any symbol pertaining to his rule will likely be taken by others as my supporting Hitler's actions. In the same way, you non-racist Confederate flag wavers, you are supporting the actions of the South's choice to support and defend an economic system based largely on the oppression on an entire section of people. Your flag, your pride, is saying, "Yep, we done good when we left that dumb Union. Crazies. Thinkin' blacks are worth more than just labor."

In case you determine that my reasoning with that is a bit dated, and that the black community should have moved on, let's talk about Jim Crow laws. You remember those, right? The laws the allowed segregation, demeaning blacks and prevented many of them attaining a good education or a good job. The laws that many of your ancestors used as a reason to harass, murder, and torture blacks? They tended to wave that darn Confederate flag while they did that too. Flag-waving and cross-burning.

Although you may think you are not racist by proudly waving that flag, you should at least have the decency to understand why blacks (and many non-blacks) are offended by the stigma of the flag. To stand up in public, in front of your neighborhood, and act the victim in this is pathetic, shameless, and just plain ignorant.

If you are so proud of your heritage, then you should be better acquainted with the history that your heritage represents. "

Jeanwah

redrock wrote:

Although you may think you are not racist by proudly waving that flag, you should at least have the decency to understand why blacks (and many non-blacks) are offended by the stigma of the flag. To stand up in public, in front of your neighborhood, and act the victim in this is pathetic, shameless, and just plain ignorant.

If you are so proud of your heritage, then you should be better acquainted with the history that your heritage represents.

Great point.

mysticweed

we have a few black families in our little subdivision
and a guy that has the con-flag front plate on his (yes) pick-up truck
it makes me cringe

PJ_Soul

I had this roommate in college, and I really didn't know him before we became roommates. He sets up his room and everything, and asks if I want to see it. I walk in, and he has a giant confederate flag hung on the wall over his bed. :fp: :fp: I said, "what the FUCK?! Why do you have that on your wall?!" And he said, "Because it looks cool!" :fp: I told him what it stood for, and was like, "Duuuuhhh, oh really?" .... I moved out about 2 months later. He was just too dumb to be roommates with. (but it should be said, after I told him what it stands for, he kept it on his wall. He was an idiot. He ended up flunking out of school, getting hooked on crack and living in a U-haul trailer down by the river, and was a male prostitute and wasn't even gay.... I guess being too stupid to grasp the meaning behind the confederate flag was the least of his problems).

chadwick

Jeanwah wrote:

redrock wrote:

Although you may think you are not racist by proudly waving that flag, you should at least have the decency to understand why blacks (and many non-blacks) are offended by the stigma of the flag. To stand up in public, in front of your neighborhood, and act the victim in this is pathetic, shameless, and just plain ignorant.

If you are so proud of your heritage, then you should be better acquainted with the history that your heritage represents.

Great point.

g under p

Jeanwah wrote:

redrock wrote:

Although you may think you are not racist by proudly waving that flag, you should at least have the decency to understand why blacks (and many non-blacks) are offended by the stigma of the flag. To stand up in public, in front of your neighborhood, and act the victim in this is pathetic, shameless, and just plain ignorant.

If you are so proud of your heritage, then you should be better acquainted with the history that your heritage represents.

Great point.

I can recall seeing a show I can't remember the name but they had a car called The General Lee I think with a Confederate flag on the roof. It didn't bother me much seeing the flag in that context, that's there preference. However, when displayed in protest marches or parades I'm concerned about the mass reaction in opposition to the flag as to what it once represented and still does to some.

Peace

chadwick

what's up with, "the south will rise again?" can someone explain this to me?