confederate flag: offensive or historical?

hedonist

chadwick wrote:

also i am sorry if i was a dick yesterday saying genealogy is bullshit. i can admit my wrongs. some of you bring out my amazing qualities that's all.

I appreciate this, chadwick.

Hell knows I have my dick days.

(that's what she said)

Jeanwah

hedonist wrote:

chadwick wrote:

also i am sorry if i was a dick yesterday saying genealogy is bullshit. i can admit my wrongs. some of you bring out my amazing qualities that's all.

I appreciate this, chadwick.

Hell knows I have my dick days.

(that's what she said)

We all have dick days.

riotgrl

Jeanwah wrote:

Kind of surprised a lot of people aren't into genealogy. It's quite fascinating to know the where you come from! But I resemble very few of my ancestors, as I was the odd ball that my family regarded as the mail man's kid.

But it's cool to know all the dark secrets. Unless it's a secret that's shameful, it's all really just interesting how people evolve, the whole science behind it. My aunt just received an official Native American status since family was from Labrador, Canada. We always knew we had Eskimo in us, and to find out even more history is pretty grounding. However being Eskimo and being a racist Confederate are two completely different things. (in no way insinuating that all Confederates are racist).

I love genealogy! My dad has traced his mom's side back quite far (not quite as far as redrock though!). We are descended from the Cherokee princess Cornblossom. I thought that was really cool!

STAYSEA

callen wrote:

I have confederate soldiers as neighbors. Live next to cemetary and family of those solders (old area family cemetary) have confederate flags next to tombstones. None of the family members that visit, road dead ends into cemetary and I'm last house before, have pick up trucks and or sport any southern gear other than having small confederate flags on graves.

I beleive all humans want to be part of a group, be it university, country, what you drive/ride (Harley) or whatever (PJ Fans). Natural instinct so can see some having pride in the south and having this flag to identify with this pride. Now I also realize that many of the trucks I see that have confederate flags along with, "Impeach Obama" and "Take it" may not have wonderful thoughts of other races...

Thank you. This is what I've been trying to tell the masses. They won't believe....

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

I try to answer unless I can tell someone is being antagonistic with a less than pure motive
which wouldn't be you.

Do you have Civil War Reenactments in Florida? I don't know if you do.
Have you visited the websites? seen the number of people participating?
These are just active members, consider the many others enjoying
of the same frame of mind and heart.

I do not believe it is slim at all. I believe those who hate are in slim pickings myself.
I will always believe this. I think there is a hell of a lot of negativity and assuming going on.

The nice people I know who should not be hated might be catching crap.
Some can not tell the difference nor would take the time too.
Seems strange to me to cry hate then hate yourself. You better be really sure who you are hating
and if they deserve it.

Antagonistic? No, just curious if you realized how small a percentage of people that civil war reenact era probably are when talking about the confederate flag. Asi said earlier, I've known dozens and dozens of people who display the confederat flag, and most seem to have an issue with black people. These are my experiences through south Florida, Gainesville Florida, and Jacksonville Florida. I even knew a few involved with the KKk. I had a friend whose assigned roommate in college had a confederate flag, and he went out one Friday night to "find some n#%*#rs to beat up." But I do have one friend whose grandfather does civil war reenactments. He's alright I think. But in my experiences and most I know, this is a tiny percentage of confederate flag wavers. The rest of the folks I've come across in life who display the flag, make me wanna vomit. If you can't understand where that dislike comes from, I don't know what to tell you. If you see racism and disgusting acts from people your whole life and they tend to identify with that flag,it's no surprise that it can be somewhat associated with hate. It was brought on by MOST of the people who use it to identify themselves.

No you would not be antagonistic as I said Jonny.

My experience is different, opposite of yours so you can understand my opinion
on this subject. And I have said of course their are haters it seems on both sides.

Yes, I see where the offensiveness comes from but I also will not assume without knowing
for sure that someone who honors the flag is being a racist, is filled with hate,
or has any intention but to honor in a traditional Southern heritage way.
Some people do not differentiate, they think it wrong period to fly that flag.
I disagree.

I was driving behind a jeep yesterday and noticed a car tag with the traditional confederate
flag on it, a Georgia plate. Should I assume this person hates? No, not me but I am sure
plenty are judging.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

A civil war reenactment isn't quite the same thing as someone wearing a t-shirt with it on, or as a bunch of goons driving around with the flag on their car. The flag represents racism and slavery. And though not every Confederate soldier fought for those reasons, the remembering and/or honouring of those soldiers doesn't require any flying of that flag.

The people I know wear, display, march with the flag in reenactments proudly
not based in hate or any prejudice.
But you will assume what you will because you know best about people, I guess.

Are any of those people black?

'Happy to report, it is an untruth that all black people view those who display
and honor the confederate flag as being antagonistic or offensive.'


The South has many people who live with God in their hearts.
God helps us to forgive and understand and walk together.

pandora

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

Hey Jonny you know me ...
I will believe based on who I know that there are many being misjudged.
I don't think the people I know are special. I think that people assume so much about
others that is negative. It seems to be always a leap to that. Not only on this subject
but so many. Why is that?

This thread is now all about one person, again.

I'm out of here.

Too bad really you could ignore, be nice and stick around :?
Life is full of choices.

mysticweed

ryph raph wrote:

Losers of conflicts are not allowed to fly the banner under which their army was defeated.You don't see people displaying the Nazi flag of Germany or the rising sun of Japan. Nothing good will ever come out of the south.

nothing good?
that generalization is itself a discriminatory statement


while the rebel flag is historical, purposeful displays indicate bigotry

Byrnzie

pandora wrote:

'Happy to report, it is an untruth that all black people view those who display
and honor the confederate flag as being antagonistic or offensive.'

So now you're quoting yourself? Nice touch.

pandora wrote:

The South has many people who live with God in their hearts.
God helps us to forgive and understand and walk together.

The South also has many people who walk with racism and ignorance in their hearts.
I don't believe in your 'God', and I won't walk with racists and bigots.

Jeanwah

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Are any of those people black?

'Happy to report, it is an untruth that all black people view those who display
and honor the confederate flag as being antagonistic or offensive.'

Freaking ridiculous. Not that you have much credibility before Pandora, but now you have none. I'm convinced that you come on these forums simply to bait people. (...back to ignoring)

chadwick

the confederate flag is a waste of time, space, energy & is full on classless

g under p

Jeanwah wrote:

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

Are any of those people black?

'Happy to report, it is an untruth that all black people view those who display
and honor the confederate flag as being antagonistic or offensive.'

Freaking ridiculous. Not that you have much credibility before Pandora, but now you have none. I'm convinced that you come on these forums simply to bait people. (...back to ignoring)

That is one of the MOST RIDICULOUS things I've heard Pandora say here. I would know and it's NOT, because I live here in South Florida and I do see all the time the Confederate Flag in all kinds of formats up and down highway 441.


Peace

g under p

Byrnzie wrote:

pandora wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

A civil war reenactment isn't quite the same thing as someone wearing a t-shirt with it on, or as a bunch of goons driving around with the flag on their car. The flag represents racism and slavery. And though not every Confederate soldier fought for those reasons, the remembering and/or honouring of those soldiers doesn't require any flying of that flag.

The people I know wear, display, march with the flag in reenactments proudly
not based in hate or any prejudice.
But you will assume what you will because you know best about people, I guess.

Are any of those people black?

Was this question EVER ANSWERED?

Peace

JonnyPistachio

pandora wrote:

No you would not be antagonistic as I said Jonny.

My experience is different, opposite of yours so you can understand my opinion
on this subject. And I have said of course their are haters it seems on both sides.

Yes, I see where the offensiveness comes from but I also will not assume without knowing
for sure that someone who honors the flag is being a racist, is filled with hate,
or has any intention but to honor in a traditional Southern heritage way.
Some people do not differentiate, they think it wrong period to fly that flag.
I disagree.

I was driving behind a jeep yesterday and noticed a car tag with the traditional confederate
flag on it, a Georgia plate. Should I assume this person hates? No, not me but I am sure
plenty are judging.

I guess thats the point, each of us is speaking from personal experience. And the majority of folks here have seen how its often (but not always) a symbol of something somewhat offensive to an entire race.

And I do know that Georgia is quite different from Florida... well, south florida at least. North Florida is similar to Georgia in a lot of ways.

The one guy I know who does participate in civil war re-enactments does not flaunt a confederate flag. But he lives in florida, and I assume he doesnt want to be categorized/judged by flying that flag, because in Florida, most people associate it with something negative.

JaneNY

In that it carries a history, it is historical, as are many things no decent minded person would display in the modern age. However IMO it is also offensive at this point in the timeline of humanity. It harkens back to a time of hideous attitudes and behavior. I am originally from Texas.

Godfather.

freedom of speach covers both sides of this debate,and pointles because like guns the Rebel Flag will not go away.

Godfather.

pandora

JonnyPistachio wrote:

pandora wrote:

No you would not be antagonistic as I said Jonny.

My experience is different, opposite of yours so you can understand my opinion
on this subject. And I have said of course their are haters it seems on both sides.

Yes, I see where the offensiveness comes from but I also will not assume without knowing
for sure that someone who honors the flag is being a racist, is filled with hate,
or has any intention but to honor in a traditional Southern heritage way.
Some people do not differentiate, they think it wrong period to fly that flag.
I disagree.

I was driving behind a jeep yesterday and noticed a car tag with the traditional confederate
flag on it, a Georgia plate. Should I assume this person hates? No, not me but I am sure
plenty are judging.

I guess thats the point, each of us is speaking from personal experience. And the majority of folks here have seen how its often (but not always) a symbol of something somewhat offensive to an entire race.

And I do know that Georgia is quite different from Florida... well, south florida at least. North Florida is similar to Georgia in a lot of ways.

The one guy I know who does participate in civil war re-enactments does not flaunt a confederate flag. But he lives in florida, and I assume he doesnt want to be categorized/judged by flying that flag, because in Florida, most people associate it with something negative.

yes it come down to personal life experience and the amazing wonderful people
we meet along the way.
Some people are programed with such negativity they can't help but
believe something negative about another, to find a way to put them down or expect the worse.

Of course there are bad people with hateful racist motives, we see that everyday, everywhere.
But when we start assuming bad and hateful, because of some, we have let the bad win.
This is what I have talked about with my friends whatever color in case some here
missed that point.
They are not going to assume either and let hate take over their lives.
Then we've stooped to the haters level. Something I don't ever want to do. I feel only pity for the
haters, the negative people.
I see a Confederate flag I will not hate.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

yes it come down to personal life experience and the amazing wonderful people
we meet along the way.
Some people are programed with such negativity they can't help but
believe something negative about another, to find a way to put them down or expect the worse.

Of course there are bad people with hateful racist motives, we see that everyday, everywhere.
But when we start assuming bad and hateful, because of some, we have let the bad win.
This is what I have talked about with my friends whatever color in case some here
missed that point.
They are not going to assume either and let hate take over their lives.
Then we've stooped to the haters level. Something I don't ever want to do. I feel only pity for the
haters, the negative people.
I see a Confederate flag I will not hate.

unreal

so those of us who dislike the rebel flag & believe those who display it are hateful morons, we are programmed with a small mind and we do not know wonderful people

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

yes it come down to personal life experience and the amazing wonderful people
we meet along the way.
Some people are programed with such negativity they can't help but
believe something negative about another, to find a way to put them down or expect the worse.

Of course there are bad people with hateful racist motives, we see that everyday, everywhere.
But when we start assuming bad and hateful, because of some, we have let the bad win.
This is what I have talked about with my friends whatever color in case some here
missed that point.
They are not going to assume either and let hate take over their lives.
Then we've stooped to the haters level. Something I don't ever want to do. I feel only pity for the
haters, the negative people.
I see a Confederate flag I will not hate.

unreal

so those of us who dislike the rebel flag & believe those who display it are hateful morons, we are programmed with a small mind and we do not know wonderful people

chadwick

Pandora Pandora Pandora

you are an incredible human being. with that said. I have a challenge for you, your husband & your family & your wonderful friends. I challenge you all to get bumper stickers, car flags, flags for the front porch of your house, & I am challenging you to sport the confederate flag at your family owned printing station.

as a matter of fact you could print up endless rebel flags & it would probably be cheaper than buying them.

get hot!