I have a friend who used to be a die hard conspiracy nut, and he really believed in the FEMA crap. So when I read your post that is what I thought. :roll:
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I mean he strongly believed in the FEMA Camp conspiracy stuff.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
A charity foundation, The One Fund Boston, has been set up to help those people and families most affected by the bombings in Boston. You can visit the link below to make a donation to those affected. Very good cause and you can give a few bucks to help support those people and families affected by the bombings - who will without question, have a lot to go through and a long road as they recover.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
I can guarantee you that those with dead children and those maimed and mutilated in Boston are not thinking along the same philosophical lines as you.
you can guarantee no such thing. there is a well documented history of living victims of vicious crimes that are opposed to vengeance-based punishments, such as the death penalty. you don't know the victims, so you can't guarantee that any more than I can guarantee the opposite.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Don't play with words: inciting violence is a little different than crime and punishment.
It's been suggested that vengeance is the justice that people are seeking in this case. I think there's an enormous body of legal theory, philosophy and psychology supporting the idea that vengeance is smallest and perhaps least important part of "justice." Ask yourselves: when did you feel relief in this case? When you heard that he was captured? Or when you heard that he was bloodied in the process? Personally, I can say without a doubt (and I think most honest people will agree) that I felt far more relief knowing that the guy was caught than I did knowing that he had been injured or shot in the process. My secondary concern after the bombings happened (primary being the people killed or injured) was: what's next? Are there others? Will more die? It was vaguely how I felt after September 11.
Our justice system, as in many civil societies, is theoretically and largely based on restoration of order, not retribution. The media focuses on the criminals, sure, because it's interesting, it draws viewers etc (and there's a whole body of theory on why that is too). But realistically and practically speaking, criminal justice is focused on taking disorder and making it orderly again. Chaos after a bomb goes off in a crowd of innocent people...into a conviction and a state-sanctioned sentence. Our dispassionate processes ensure that no one violent criminal or act can send our world into chaos and dysfunction. For so many reasons that I do not need to elaborate on, I much prefer this scenario, as opposed to chaos after a bomb...into the chaos of mob justice.
The concern with people describing what they'd like to see done to this guy or why they're glad/satisfied/OK with whatever injuries he has is that many of us, myself included, don't just limit their opinions to these messageboards. You got out. You talk with your family. You talk with your friends. You tell your co-workers. You tell your kids. You cast votes. You sit on juries.
And sooner or later, the pernicious idea that vengeance IS justice sits in the minds of people who are able to deny due process. And when that happens, sooner or later, due process is denied in a case where the defendant truly could benefit from it (i.e. the wrongfully convicted).
What I've been arguing in this thread has nothing to do with whether I think this guy is guilty and deserves severe punishment (I do). It has everything to do with what I perceive as a concerning trend among people to allow emotion and hot-bloodedness to guide the things they say and do. Even in most cruel and awful cases, dispassionate reason must be our guide. Ask yourselves: is the benefit in capturing this guy that order and peace has been restored? Or are we happier because he's been punched, shot or injured?
I implore you: don't waste your breathe and energy and good nature wishing pain and suffering on a guy like this. He will be dealt with accordingly.
If found guilty, the state will get its vengeance on him with its punishment. That will be justice. Maybe not for all, since some victims may want death and others life in prison. But it will still be justice for some.
I can guarantee you that those with dead children and those maimed and mutilated in Boston are not thinking along the same philosophical lines as you.
you can guarantee no such thing. there is a well documented history of living victims of vicious crimes that are opposed to vengeance-based punishments, such as the death penalty. you don't know the victims, so you can't guarantee that any more than I can guarantee the opposite.
You are correct. I should have said, "I would place a healthy bet that those with dead children and those maimed and mutilated in Boston are not thinking along the same philosophical lines as you."
If found guilty, the state will get its vengeance on him with its punishment. That will be justice. Maybe not for all, since some victims may want death and others life in prison. But it will still be justice for some.
Thnaks for offering this piece.
I particularly liked the following exerpts:
Law professor Thane Rosenbaum says it's time for Americans to be honest about the role revenge plays in our lives. "The distinction between justice and vengeance is false," he writes in The Chronicle of Higher Education. "A call for justice is always a cry for revenge."
We simply only settle debts that are owed to society, not debts that are owed to individual victims.
What we do now in courtrooms is we reduce victims to witnesses on behalf of the state. We sit them in the back of the courtroom.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
A radical brand of Islam appears to have motivated the two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon, but investigators say they have found no indication the brothers were associated with any terrorist groups.
The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon appear to have been motivated by their religious faith but do not seem connected to any Muslim terrorist groups, U.S. officials said Monday after interrogating the severely wounded younger man. He was charged with federal crimes that could bring the death penalty.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Yeah, Alex Jones is saying its a False Flag, meaning the govt did it to take away our rights. Its sad because so many people buy into it. Look, theres a couple guys with tan pants and boots and one has a punisher hat on just like that Navy Seal who was murdered. Conclusion, Navy Seals did this or directed it using a patsy, the guy who is carrying the bag in front of him. It would be funny if so many people didnt believe it.
The funny/sad thing is the Youtube video says PROOF! False Flag. Then you watch the video and it is all speculation and assumptions based on ZERO PROOF or facts. I wont watch them anymore because I don't want Alex Jones making a penny off of me. He is such a fraud.
It cannot be stressed enough...Alex Jones' FIRST reaction, before we knew what happened, how many people were hurt, how many people were dead...his first reaction was to claim this was some sort of conspiracy. Because that is how he makes his money.
Yeah, Alex Jones is saying its a False Flag, meaning the govt did it to take away our rights. Its sad because so many people buy into it. Look, theres a couple guys with tan pants and boots and one has a punisher hat on just like that Navy Seal who was murdered. Conclusion, Navy Seals did this or directed it using a patsy, the guy who is carrying the bag in front of him. It would be funny if so many people didnt believe it.
The funny/sad thing is the Youtube video says PROOF! False Flag. Then you watch the video and it is all speculation and assumptions based on ZERO PROOF or facts. I wont watch them anymore because I don't want Alex Jones making a penny off of me. He is such a fraud.
yeah..i know....im not wasting my time to watch that guy..
and who said that all those fotos arent fake??or photoshot that try to make a point??
how do i know are from the time of the explode,that arent change the colors of the backpack etc..
we cant do the policeman from our homes and office by looking photos and video at internet..
the authorities have all the infos,ther man power,the machines,the specialists..all the rest of the people just throw bullshit around for their political agenda..
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
Wait, I thought the red circles were PROOF?
Only while listening to Yield.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
Wait, I thought the red circles were PROOF?
Only while listening to Yield.
haha
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
Oh, I was wondering since the video was uploaded on Sunday. Thought it would be a little strange if they were still hanging around.
that would be complitely wrong..!!they finish the job,need to go back..no reason to be in the city anymore..
they said the suspect arressed,so,no reason to be in the streets
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Comments
really??? hmm i would guess most people would think prison
lock-down....prison
lock-down...fema camp???????
lock-down...neighborhood?????
okay
I have a friend who used to be a die hard conspiracy nut, and he really believed in the FEMA crap. So when I read your post that is what I thought. :roll:
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
i think of die hard fan
die hard... bruce willis
die hard conspiracy nut????
okay
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Suspect #2 says brother was behind attack, not an international group:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/22/us/boston ... ?hpt=hp_t1
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
you can guarantee no such thing. there is a well documented history of living victims of vicious crimes that are opposed to vengeance-based punishments, such as the death penalty. you don't know the victims, so you can't guarantee that any more than I can guarantee the opposite.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
http://www.npr.org/2013/04/08/176583581 ... nd-revenge
If found guilty, the state will get its vengeance on him with its punishment. That will be justice. Maybe not for all, since some victims may want death and others life in prison. But it will still be justice for some.
You are correct. I should have said, "I would place a healthy bet that those with dead children and those maimed and mutilated in Boston are not thinking along the same philosophical lines as you."
Thnaks for offering this piece.
I particularly liked the following exerpts:
Law professor Thane Rosenbaum says it's time for Americans to be honest about the role revenge plays in our lives. "The distinction between justice and vengeance is false," he writes in The Chronicle of Higher Education. "A call for justice is always a cry for revenge."
We simply only settle debts that are owed to society, not debts that are owed to individual victims.
What we do now in courtrooms is we reduce victims to witnesses on behalf of the state. We sit them in the back of the courtroom.
kat & sea
http://www.getonhand.com/blogs/news/774 ... t-pictures
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Have you guys read the comments? Conspiracy theories galore! I also clicked on one of the links in the comments... :shock:
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.c ... hink/41807
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/04/23/ma ... z2RHmT7r9P
The two brothers suspected of bombing the Boston Marathon appear to have been motivated by their religious faith but do not seem connected to any Muslim terrorist groups, U.S. officials said Monday after interrogating the severely wounded younger man. He was charged with federal crimes that could bring the death penalty.
http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2013/apr ... -religion/
Godfather.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
http://gma.yahoo.com/simple-boston-bomb-plot-hatched-without-foreign-help-082418368--abc-news-topstories.html
http://youtu.be/utqzThm0WSY
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Yeah, Alex Jones is saying its a False Flag, meaning the govt did it to take away our rights. Its sad because so many people buy into it. Look, theres a couple guys with tan pants and boots and one has a punisher hat on just like that Navy Seal who was murdered. Conclusion, Navy Seals did this or directed it using a patsy, the guy who is carrying the bag in front of him. It would be funny if so many people didnt believe it.
The funny/sad thing is the Youtube video says PROOF! False Flag. Then you watch the video and it is all speculation and assumptions based on ZERO PROOF or facts. I wont watch them anymore because I don't want Alex Jones making a penny off of me. He is such a fraud.
Why are they still there?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The video is from Friday.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
and who said that all those fotos arent fake??or photoshot that try to make a point??
how do i know are from the time of the explode,that arent change the colors of the backpack etc..
we cant do the policeman from our homes and office by looking photos and video at internet..
the authorities have all the infos,ther man power,the machines,the specialists..all the rest of the people just throw bullshit around for their political agenda..
is like someone today with photos from internet and puting red circles will prove us that 9/11 was a set up scene and all was playing a role inside the airplanes..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Wait, I thought the red circles were PROOF?
Only while listening to Yield.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
:thumbup:
Oh, I was wondering since the video was uploaded on Sunday. Thought it would be a little strange if they were still hanging around.
they said the suspect arressed,so,no reason to be in the streets
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”