Thanks 10C, But I Don't Gamble.

october22

First off, this isn't one of those threads where the OP threatens to not renew and everyone says "great, better seats for me!".

I'm simply saying that I don't appreciate or agree with 10C turning the ticketing system into a gambling system. There's a reason I don't play the real lottery and I don't gamble in casinos and that is because I don't like pissing away money. But that's just what this system encourages.

I, like many of you, am only in this fan club for tickets. Sure the other stuff is cute and all but honestly, it's for the tickets. I'm happy to say that I live in the north east and have never once been shut out of a show. Why? Is it luck? No. It's because I plan for this shit. I take off work and as nerdy as it sounds, I literally sit at the computer and practice for a few days before a sale. I map out where each button is just in case the page doesn't fully load. You see, I employ this secret ingredient called EFFORT. And guess what, it fucking works!

It's not much different than back in the day when I slept outside on a sidewalk for tickets to a high demand show. If you want something bad enough, you should have to be willing to go the extra mile. People who support the lottery system are probably the same people who want to ban tag on the playground and declare both teams winners in little league games.

But back to my original point. With the new system, the chances of scoring tix are taken completely out of my control and I'm giving 10C $20 to gamble with. I'm sorry but if you look at the numbers, it's a terrible bet.

I hope I'm not alone in this and if I'm not, is there any way we can stop this system now before they actually try it for a real tour?

october22

Great, better seats for me!




Just thought I'd beat some smart ass to the punch. I know you guys too well

demetrios

I don't gamble either. I like to try on my own by refreshing or F5'ing to score tickets then to let the "lottery" gambling system do it's trick. If I do it on my own & win, sweet! If I do it on my own & fail, d'oh! But at least I tried by best for them.

I don't like this new system. :oops:

*ducks for cover

PearlJamPatriot

Your going to get someone say, "well, the old system was oure luck anyway"

Uh, no it wasnt. If it was, i woudlnt have went 30/33 scoring ticket. If I was that lucky, I would be living in Vegas.
Most of those 33 shows were for the northeast US. If the lottery was in place the entire time, there is no way I would have had that good of a success rate.

MayDay10

I said it in the other thread, but I ended up a perfect (maybe 20/20 ish) scoring tickets, many to high demand shows (MSG, Spectrums, PJ20). Effort was necessary, practice, research, etc.
I agree on that and in a way it sucks to give up control.

Each ticket sale was turning into a bigger and bigger circus, culminating with the PJ20 and Canadian Tour. It really needed a change. They feel this is the best way, and I suspect the majority do too. Personally, whatever happens, happens.

Im close enough to the midwest where I can still get into some shows pretty easily.

81

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

october22

81 wrote:

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think you read my post clearly.

P34RL J4MM3R

I'm still on the fence with this. I can see both sides of the argument. My 2 cents are:
I've been shut out a few times from getting 10C tickets. But I've NEVER been shut out of a show I really wanted to go to. That takes EFFORT. You have to scout Craigslist and the Forum, and be persistent until you find that extra pair or extra ticket. You have to cultivate relationships, so you are high on people's list of ticket buddies. It just moves the effort from getting Tix on PJ.com to getting Tix elsewhere. You can still use that Effort to get tickets, but you'll have to develop new skills.

You just got laid off of your highly skilled position of PJ.com Ticket grabber. Now you have to develop your effort and skills and get another job of just PJ ticket grabber. It's a whole new economy out there.....but effort will ALWAYS matter.

Pearl James

I think everyone needs to realize that getting tickets was already impossible before they stopped touring.

SomethingCreative

I'm not terribly excited about the lottery system either. Especially living in Washington where I fear the odds will be significantly worse than most areas.

I was never shut out on the old method. I'll give it a shot, though.

Ryan

This is sort of how I feel. I however am one of the "lucky" ones that has had a great success rate in securing 10C tickets. In fact, the only time my core group of friends I travel to shows with has ever been shut out was trying to get a SECOND pair of Vic Theatre tickets (we could only get one pair). I think the tipping point for a lot of people was the 2010 NYC sales and the 2011 sales where it was taking entire days to get tickets. The kicker for me was in 2011 when I had booked a day off work and then they postponed the sale until the next day.

I think the only "unfair" thing about the previous system was the amount of time it took to find out that tickets were sold out. I think the perfect system was the revamped 2011 10C sale when they used Ticketmaster for the Canadian shows. If it sells out right away, that's understandable. At least you didn't spend all day sitting there with no idea if tickets were still around or not.

The one thing I keep reminding myself is that, other than a handful of shows I've hardly used my 10C tickets. In Toronto 06 x2, St. Paul 06 x2, Washington 2008, Chicago x2/Seattle x2/Philly 2009 x4 and Toronto 2011 x2, I sold my 10C tickets in favour of tickets that had dropped on Ticketmaster right before the show. Therefore, if I am shut out from the 10C seats it's not the end of the world. And unless they play really small venues (Fonda, Vic Theatre, etc) you can usually find your way in if you are patient.

81

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think you read my post clearly.

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boyo79

MayDay10 wrote:

I said it in the other thread, but I ended up a perfect (maybe 20/20 ish) scoring tickets, many to high demand shows (MSG, Spectrums, PJ20). Effort was necessary, practice, research, etc.
I agree on that and in a way it sucks to give up control.

Each ticket sale was turning into a bigger and bigger circus, culminating with the PJ20 and Canadian Tour. It really needed a change. They feel this is the best way, and I suspect the majority do too. Personally, whatever happens, happens.

Im close enough to the midwest where I can still get into some shows pretty easily.

This is the bit I don't understand. 'Being in control'. 'Effort'. etc. When I tried for 10c tickets for last years European tour I had tickets in my cart straightaway. Then for the next 30 minutes I'm stuck waiting for the page to refresh as it asks for my card details. This goes on for 2 hours before they shut the system down. Whenever was I in control? Any ticket sale, be it on 10c or Ticketmaster or Live Nation whoever, its down to luck that you get through and score tickets. Nothing else.

And folk shouldn't be so negative based on this ticket test. Only 9 people were ever going to get a 'WIN' status.

Spector

october22 wrote:

First off, this isn't one of those threads where the OP threatens to not renew and everyone says "great, better seats for me!".

I'm simply saying that I don't appreciate or agree with 10C turning the ticketing system into a gambling system. There's a reason I don't play the real lottery and I don't gamble in casinos and that is because I don't like pissing away money. But that's just what this system encourages.

I, like many of you, am only in this fan club for tickets. Sure the other stuff is cute and all but honestly, it's for the tickets. I'm happy to say that I live in the north east and have never once been shut out of a show. Why? Is it luck? No. It's because I plan for this shit. I take off work and as nerdy as it sounds, I literally sit at the computer and practice for a few days before a sale. I map out where each button is just in case the page doesn't fully load. You see, I employ this secret ingredient called EFFORT. And guess what, it fucking works!

It's not much different than back in the day when I slept outside on a sidewalk for tickets to a high demand show. If you want something bad enough, you should have to be willing to go the extra mile. People who support the lottery system are probably the same people who want to ban tag on the playground and declare both teams winners in little league games.

But back to my original point. With the new system, the chances of scoring tix are taken completely out of my control and I'm giving 10C $20 to gamble with. I'm sorry but if you look at the numbers, it's a terrible bet.

I hope I'm not alone in this and if I'm not, is there any way we can stop this system now before they actually try it for a real tour?

I think you have a strange definition of effort or work. Hitting F5 without interruption or mapping out the location of buttons is not something I would define as actions that should give someone better ticket chances. It`s just dumb and irrational and wasting people`s time. I dont see a link between the hours you spend online and the degree you deserve a ticket. Seriously: What can be said against a system where everyone has the same ticket chances?

81

october22 wrote:

Great, better seats for me!




Just thought I'd beat some smart ass to the punch. I know you guys too well

that was actually pretty funny

dimitrispearljam

sorry you feel that way..
good luck with the lottery now..
i know all tickets from the draw will go to 10c memebrs ,so its more than ok to me..

ikiT

"We are currently processing winners. You will be notified when the final drawing has been made."

foriginalsin

october22 wrote:

First off, this isn't one of those threads where the OP threatens to not renew and everyone says "great, better seats for me!".

I'm simply saying that I don't appreciate or agree with 10C turning the ticketing system into a gambling system. There's a reason I don't play the real lottery and I don't gamble in casinos and that is because I don't like pissing away money. But that's just what this system encourages.

I, like many of you, am only in this fan club for tickets. Sure the other stuff is cute and all but honestly, it's for the tickets. I'm happy to say that I live in the north east and have never once been shut out of a show. Why? Is it luck? No. It's because I plan for this shit. I take off work and as nerdy as it sounds, I literally sit at the computer and practice for a few days before a sale. I map out where each button is just in case the page doesn't fully load. You see, I employ this secret ingredient called EFFORT. And guess what, it fucking works!

It's not much different than back in the day when I slept outside on a sidewalk for tickets to a high demand show. If you want something bad enough, you should have to be willing to go the extra mile. People who support the lottery system are probably the same people who want to ban tag on the playground and declare both teams winners in little league games.

But back to my original point. With the new system, the chances of scoring tix are taken completely out of my control and I'm giving 10C $20 to gamble with. I'm sorry but if you look at the numbers, it's a terrible bet.

I hope I'm not alone in this and if I'm not, is there any way we can stop this system now before they actually try it for a real tour?

agreed.

Yellow Bedwetter

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sorry you feel that way..
good luck with the lottery now..
i know all tickets from the draw will go to 10c memebrs ,so its more than ok to me..

when did tix never go to 10c members? dont see ur point tho i like how youre always positive/optimistic even if it is a front, not saying it is, i just happen to agree with OP and others since im in the NE bucket and MSG is closest venue to southern CT. oh well.

StevieG

I don't like the new system at all. I was never shut out of tickets in the past, always went to the shows I wanted to go to. It never took more than 45 minutes for me to get tickets.

Please do away with the "lottery" it sucks big time!!!!

dimitrispearljam

Yellow Bedwetter wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

sorry you feel that way..
good luck with the lottery now..
i know all tickets from the draw will go to 10c memebrs ,so its more than ok to me..

when did tix never go to 10c members? dont see ur point tho i like how youre always positive/optimistic even if it is a front, not saying it is, i just happen to agree with OP and others since im in the NE bucket and MSG is closest venue to southern CT. oh well.

Exactly this is my point..tix will go to members no matter what system..
so this new is fair,easy,and more different members will score tix..
i like it away better
again,northeast is more hard to score,i get it..,but they trying to make a system for all the planet..not for 10 cities only..

shep

Why is it the only people I hear complaining about the new ticket system are the people that live in the northeast?

I travel to the northeast for shows all the time, and I know how to pound the f5 key as hard as the rest of you, like i'm sure many other traveling fans around here do... why aren't we complaining to?

The 10C has obviously elected to go to the same lottery style as employed by several other major ticket drawing bands - DMB, Phish, etc... they are not going to back down on it now.

Suck it up.

Move on.

Ditch your membership if you want.

Either lottery or don't - I'm sick of hearing people bitch about it. There is always ticketmaster if you don't score your tickets. If you do the math and add up the day worth of lost work time f5'ing your way to victory, you can probably afford to buy your tickets from a scalper anyway.

mrclean1_3

This is tough. I kind of agree with the original post and also had luck with the whole F5 fiasco. But there is another side to the argument. I'm sure many people make the $20 investment so they don't have to go through the nightmare of crashing servers, tickets disappearing from their carts, or hitting F5 for 4 hours a day. Most probably don't have the time or energy to do that on a weekday. If you pay $20 and still don't have the time or resources to purchase tickets, what's the point of being a member?

It's hard (probably impossible) to make everyone happy, but at least this way everyone has a chance to get tickets for the show they really want to attend and can weight their choices.

I am going to miss the thrill, stress and emotional roller coaster of the F5 days as well. But let's be honest here, we can't honestly suggest a system where you need to practice days before to memorize where links are on a page and take time off work to account for crashing servers, is a better or more fair option than the system being tested.

RobbyD462

Lottery is a Joke! I'd sooner refresh!

What's the point of buying a membership.

I liked it better when I could take my chances and buy my own tickets.

Lottery is Bullshit!

As a member I should get tickets not a chance to win tickets.
Waste of fucking money.If it wasnt for the singles and vinyl this club would be worthless.

Carlislebj

Yeah I'm a little miffed about it. I'v never missed out on tickets and now its down to a lottery system.. meh. prbly more chance with the general sale.. besides, i actually miss camping out the day before with all the other fans waiting for the ticket man to open his window... more fun than getting an email saying..

Hello Hard core Pearl jam fan, thanks for being a member for so long, but.......
Sorry, your name was not drawn for a pair of Ten Club tickets. The credit card authorization will now be canceled releasing the funds back to the card.


p.s

Its double L in cancelled.... just saying :roll:
edit - i forgot Americans spell things differently..

boyo79

shep wrote:

Why is it the only people I hear complaining about the new ticket system are the people that live in the northeast?

I travel to the northeast for shows all the time, and I know how to pound the f5 key as hard as the rest of you, like i'm sure many other traveling fans around here do... why aren't we complaining to?

The 10C has obviously elected to go to the same lottery style as employed by several other major ticket drawing bands - DMB, Phish, etc... they are not going to back down on it now.

Suck it up.

Move on.

Ditch your membership if you want.

Either lottery or don't - I'm sick of hearing people bitch about it. There is always ticketmaster if you don't score your tickets. If you do the math and add up the day worth of lost work time f5'ing your way to victory, you can probably afford to buy your tickets from a scalper anyway.

This.

EdsonNascimento

boyo79 wrote:

shep wrote:

Why is it the only people I hear complaining about the new ticket system are the people that live in the northeast?

I travel to the northeast for shows all the time, and I know how to pound the f5 key as hard as the rest of you, like i'm sure many other traveling fans around here do... why aren't we complaining to?

The 10C has obviously elected to go to the same lottery style as employed by several other major ticket drawing bands - DMB, Phish, etc... they are not going to back down on it now.

Suck it up.

Move on.

Ditch your membership if you want.

Either lottery or don't - I'm sick of hearing people bitch about it. There is always ticketmaster if you don't score your tickets. If you do the math and add up the day worth of lost work time f5'ing your way to victory, you can probably afford to buy your tickets from a scalper anyway.

This.

I'm ok with lottery, though I think there's a better way.

BUT - the reason is - you're traveling anyway. Those that live here wouldn't have to.

Not saying it's right. Just answering your question as to why folks that live here are voicing their concerns more than those overseas or in markets where tickets will be readily available.

Now, say boohoo - at least you get shows. That's fine. But, does it make sense for someone now to have to travel to get tickets when they have a show right down the street? Or, at least make sense why that might be a tad more frustrating?

JTH

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think you read my post clearly.

How is it gambling? When you gamble and lose, something is actually taken away from you. that's not what happens here.

dimitrispearljam

JTH wrote:

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think you read my post clearly.

How is it gambling? When you gamble and lose, something is actually taken away from you. that's not what happens here.

EdsonNascimento

JTH wrote:

october22 wrote:

81 wrote:

i wouldn't call it gambling. when you gamble you have to risk something to win something....

it's risk free to enter the drawing here.

carry on.

Not trying to be a dick, but I don't think you read my post clearly.

How is it gambling? When you gamble and lose, something is actually taken away from you. that's not what happens here.

He's saying his membership fee is being gambled. I don't agree, but it's pretty clear he's saying that's what he's "losing."

Yellow Bedwetter

ur membership fee is ur gamble? the vinyl single is great but that system is flawed too. dont even get me started on a december single that gets to you in spring. c'mon now.