Media lies by omission, Someone with a GUN Stopped this!

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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    edited December 2012
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    interesting...blaming a gun owner who legally purchased and owned guns....

    you seem to know more than I do about the Lanza home...you appear have knowledge that these guns were out and easily accessible vs. being locked up...where did you get this info...?


    You asked what being a responsible gun owner is. I told you. Being a responsible gun owner is insuring the guns are not accessible to others.

    and I commented on your answer...that's this works sometimes...

    anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?

    lol at your addition of the Clorox comment...all I can say is: busses
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    No, I really don't. I thought she was a gun owner? If I am wrong and he is not saying she should have gunned down her son, please tell me where my mistake is.

    I guess you've not read heard the notion of "if only the victim had a gun, this would have never happened"...anyhoo others have chimed in to help you understand...

    I still would like to know what you meant by "I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother"...

    I think some of you are giving Michael Moore too much credit. I read that statement and it is not entirely clear to me that he is not implying the mother should have gunned down the son before Friday. If that is the case and he is implying something so callous then my point is that the same could be said of his mother. Tasteless, yes, but it is in response to tastelessness.

    But maybe I am wrong. It would not be the first time.
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    the meaning is very clever...

    guns lover moto is that suppose people own guns to protect them selfs..as the shooter mom...
    and those "protection" guns become the murder weapons


    Kind of like the military.
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    inmytree wrote:

    anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?


    Sure I do. He ended up with them.
  • JonnyPistachio
    JonnyPistachio Florida Posts: 10,219
    I guess that's a good question about Lanza's mother. Was she a responsible gun owner? Were the guns locked up in a safe with trigger locks? I havent heard. I think that's what Hugh was saying yesterday, that you can never be really 100% positive that the wrong person can get a hold of your guns and use them. I dont think 100% is achievable.

    the definition of what we consider a "responsible gun owner" is going to vary from one person to the next. Can you be responsible despite the actions of another?
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  • blueandwhite
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    JimmyV wrote:
    I think some of you are giving Michael Moore too much credit. I read that statement and it is not entirely clear to me that he is not implying the mother should have gunned down the son before Friday. If that is the case and he is implying something so callous then my point is that the same could be said of his mother. Tasteless, yes, but it is in response to tastelessness.

    But maybe I am wrong. It would not be the first time.


    Given Moore's stance on guns, I think the statement is quite clear (and sardonic). It's a common line amongst gun advocates to say that these tragedies could easily be prevented if only more people were armed. In this case, the shooter's mother ended up providing the tools which led to this massacre making the statement so poignant.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?


    Sure I do. He ended up with them.

    then by your definition: all guns are accessible...even those thought to be locked up...as long as someone ends up with them...

    thanks for clearing that up... :thumbup:
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    I fully admit that my interpretation of Michael Moore's statement may stem from the fact that I do believe him to be a fraud who is no better than Hannity or Limbaugh.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    JonnyPistachio wrote:
    I guess that's a good question about Lanza's mother. Was she a responsible gun owner? Were the guns locked up in a safe with trigger locks? I havent heard. I think that's what Hugh was saying yesterday, that you can never be really 100% positive that the wrong person can get a hold of your guns and use them. I dont think 100% is achievable.

    the definition of what we consider a "responsible gun owner" is going to vary from one person to the next. Can you be responsible despite the actions of another?
    the is not such a thing "responsible gun owner"...Thank God ,being at Airforce help me understand it at young age..
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    inmytree wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?


    Sure I do. He ended up with them.

    then by your definition: all guns are accessible...even those thought to be locked up...as long as someone ends up with them...

    thanks for clearing that up... :thumbup:


    Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    the is not such a thing "responsible gun owner"...Thank God ,being at Airforce help me understand it at young age..



    Sure there is. Millions and millions of US citizens are extremely responsible gun owners. Statements like this are ridiculous and bias to someone's own personal feelings about gun ownership.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    DS1119 wrote:


    Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    edited December 2012
    DS1119 wrote:

    Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today.

    You sure that nothing bad happened today with any legally obtained guns? Pretty bold statement. I could fire up the old Google machine but I'm too lazy.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    JimmyV wrote:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
    is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....
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  • dimitrispearljam
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    btw.the mother of the shooter was "responsible gun owner" till 3 days ago..
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
    is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....

    I have dated several women who have told me I snore. However, I have never heard myself snore. Therefore these women have all clearly been incorrect.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    JimmyV wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
    is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....

    I have dated several women who have told me I snore. However, I have never heard myself snore. Therefore these women have all clearly been incorrect.
    ofcourse,its their fault that heard you,not your fault you snore...
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    JimmyV wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:


    Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.


    Nope it's just these little isolated incidents are over publicized to be honest in my opinion. The liberal media overhypes them. Now before I get jumped on....this is tragic...I don't or never want to see anyone killed ever.

    Almost half of US households contain a weapon. Where are all of those stories?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
    is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....


    Intersting. The liberals make fun of gun owners comparing gun ownership to car owndership but here we are comparing it to farts.
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    can you have your gun locked up and still use for safety in case you need it?

    I don't know that answer to that question. I hear people saying that being a responsible gun owner means locking up your guns but would you not need them to readily available in case you need them?

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