Media lies by omission, Someone with a GUN Stopped this!

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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:
    DS...

    Do you have a reasonable timeline when the government is going to become tyrannical and enslave all of its citizens?



    Sorry. I can't see into the future.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    DS1119 wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    That is not its point, no. Its point is to protect its citizens. Killing people is sometimes necessary but that is not its point.
    i serve my country to protect it from foreign and domestic enemies..
    for continue my nation live in democracy and peace and the citizens of my country be safe
    if my country start first a war and attacks another country,they will get my resignation first thing tomorrow morning....


    But if you feel guns don't make you or your country safer why do you have them? And I guess whay you're saying is that you believe it's ok to murder someone if you're being attacked...kind of the same exact feeling legal gun owners in this country have actually.

    Guns in the hands of trained military personnel are not the same as guns in the hands of a sometime untrained populace. Also, military personnel are assigned specific weapons for specific operations. They are not after the biggest and most powerful assault rifle one can buy.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
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  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    JimmyV wrote:

    Guns in the hands of trained military personnel are not the same as guns in the hands of a sometime untrained populace. Also, military personnel are assigned specific weapons for specific operations. They are not after the biggest and most powerful assault rifle one can buy.


    The military doesn't use semi automatic rifles. They use much bigger weapons.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    inmytree wrote:
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    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    JimmyV wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
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    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.

    huh...?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    inmytree wrote:
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    He needs to qualify his statement by saying a "responsible gun owner".
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
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    He needs to qualify his statement by saying a "responsible gun owner".


    define "responsible gun owner" please
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.

    huh...?

    I'm not 100% sure what Michael Moore is trying to say here. I hope it is not that Adam Lanza's mother should have used her guns on her son at some random time before Friday morning.
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  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    JimmyV wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.

    huh...?

    I'm not 100% sure what Michael Moore is trying to say here. I hope it is not that Adam Lanza's mother should have used her guns on her son at some random time before Friday morning.

    now you're being obtuse...you exactly what his point is...

    do tell, what what yours...?
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    inmytree wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
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    He needs to qualify his statement by saying a "responsible gun owner".


    define "responsible gun owner" please



    Someone who keeps their guns away from other people. There are lockboxes and strong boxes that insure just that.

    Also, considering she was a teacher and knew her son was mentally unstable exposing him to guns was 100% irresponsible of her. Having those guns in her home and accessible to him is 100% unacceptable. 100% of the blame should be laid upon her shoulders.
  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,605
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    inmytree wrote:

    I'm not 100% sure what Michael Moore is trying to say here. I hope it is not that Adam Lanza's mother should have used her guns on her son at some random time before Friday morning.

    now you're being obtuse...you exactly what his point is...

    do tell, what what yours...?

    No, I really don't. I thought she was a gun owner? If I am wrong and he is not saying she should have gunned down her son, please tell me where my mistake is.
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  • blueandwhite
    blueandwhite Posts: 662
    JimmyV wrote:
    No, I really don't. I thought she was a gun owner? If I am wrong and he is not saying she should have gunned down her son, please tell me where my mistake is.

    I'm just guessing, but it seems like a sarcastic jab at the NRA.
  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,973
    He retweeted people's comments about what he was saying right after he tweeted it. I think it's the irony.
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    16 Dec Kaz ‏@kazic284
    @MMFlint Thanks for pointing out how dumb that logic is. People have been screaming, "If only the principal had a gun!" Missing the point.
    Retweeted by Michael Moore


    16 Dec marla sue ‏@marlasuehale
    @MMFlint obviously that argument the NRA folks have been using doesn't work after all.
    Retweeted by Michael Moore


    16 Dec Michael Moore ‏@MMFlint
    If only the first victim, Adam Lanza's mother, had been a gun owner, she could have stopped this before it started.
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  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    JimmyV wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.

    huh...?

    I'm not 100% sure what Michael Moore is trying to say here. I hope it is not that Adam Lanza's mother should have used her guns on her son at some random time before Friday morning.
    i think is clear..its ironic -sarcasm comment...his mother could stop it if has guns...
    he got the guns from her...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    JimmyV wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother.

    huh...?

    I'm not 100% sure what Michael Moore is trying to say here. I hope it is not that Adam Lanza's mother should have used her guns on her son at some random time before Friday morning.

    I think he is making a point (quite cleverly too) that the whole NRA argument that everyone should be armed (the teachers at the school) to prevent this kind of thing is ridiculous circular logic. I may not be explaining this right though.
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    DS1119 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:

    He needs to qualify his statement by saying a "responsible gun owner".


    define "responsible gun owner" please



    Someone who keeps their guns away from other people. There are lockboxes and strong boxes that insure just that.

    Also, considering she was a teacher and knew her son was mentally unstable exposing him to guns was 100% irresponsible of her. Having those guns in her home and accessible to him is 100% unacceptable. 100% of the blame should be laid upon her shoulders.


    interesting...blaming a gun owner who legally purchased and owned guns....

    you seem to know more than I do about the Lanza home...you appear have knowledge that these guns were out and easily accessible vs. being locked up...where did you get this info...?
  • dimitrispearljam
    dimitrispearljam Posts: 139,725
    the meaning is very clever...

    guns lover moto is that suppose people own guns to protect them selfs..as the shooter mom...
    and those "protection" guns become the murder weapons
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • inmytree
    inmytree Posts: 4,741
    JimmyV wrote:
    No, I really don't. I thought she was a gun owner? If I am wrong and he is not saying she should have gunned down her son, please tell me where my mistake is.

    I guess you've not read heard the notion of "if only the victim had a gun, this would have never happened"...anyhoo others have chimed in to help you understand...

    I still would like to know what you meant by "I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother"...
  • DS1119
    DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    inmytree wrote:

    interesting...blaming a gun owner who legally purchased and owned guns....

    you seem to know more than I do about the Lanza home...you appear have knowledge that these guns were out and easily accessible vs. being locked up...where did you get this info...?


    You asked what being a responsible gun owner is. I told you. Being a responsible gun owner is insuring the guns are not accessible to others. No different than if a toddler drinks some Clorox and dies. Who's to blame? The toddler or the parent who didn't secure the Clorox?

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