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Portland Mall Shooter Stopped by CCW holder, Media lies by omission.

Published on Dec 15, 2012
Found this news report. Notice it did not become breaking news on CNN and was hardly mentioned other places. This is how the media lies by omission. Our "news" is nothing more than propaganda.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    Again:

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    where the shooter get a gun in the first place...

    oh wait..its legal..
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    aerial wrote:
    Portland Mall Shooter Stopped by CCW holder, Media lies by omission.

    Published on Dec 15, 2012
    Found this news report. Notice it did not become breaking news on CNN and was hardly mentioned other places. This is how the media lies by omission. Our "news" is nothing more than propaganda.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI


    Bravo to the brave gentleman. :clap:

    And yes. I fully agree that the news is nothing short of being a commercial. They pump out their agendas and their beliefs and sell it as truth.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    where the shooter get a gun in the first place...

    oh wait..its legal..


    Actually he stole it. Wait stealing is against the law, couldn't have happened since people don't break laws.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    unsung wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    where the shooter get a gun in the first place...

    oh wait..its legal..


    Actually he stole it. Wait stealing is against the law, couldn't have happened since people don't break laws.
    so he will do it anyway,right?
    why then to give him access and feel legal?...he must feel out of the system..cos he is bad person
    and not a proud owner of a gun
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,717
    aerial wrote:
    Portland Mall Shooter Stopped by CCW holder, Media lies by omission.

    Published on Dec 15, 2012
    Found this news report. Notice it did not become breaking news on CNN and was hardly mentioned other places. This is how the media lies by omission. Our "news" is nothing more than propaganda.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuLgO4wo4xI
    that "news" org could definately use some money to increase their production value.


    Oh wait, random person speaking off camera in his home(assuming) is now a credible news source?


    hmm, this org hasnt reported a CCW hero. THEY must be in on the conspiracy.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    so he will do it anyway,right?
    why then to give him access and feel legal?...he must feel out of the system..cos he is bad person
    and not a proud owner of a gun


    How do I know why he did anything that he did? My point is that you can create all the laws that you want, there will still be people there to break them.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    They say, "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns." I say, "If guns were outlawed, there would be fewer guns for outlaws to have." There are so very many guns in America and it is too easy to get them. It's lime to melt them down and make something useful out of them. No, we won't get rid of them all, but the fewer out there, the fewer used to kill.

    Seems logical to me.
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    unsung wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    so he will do it anyway,right?
    why then to give him access and feel legal?...he must feel out of the system..cos he is bad person
    and not a proud owner of a gun


    How do I know why he did anything that he did? My point is that you can create all the laws that you want, there will still be people there to break them.
    well,will be less people break them,cos they will not get a gun so easily to use those guns for break the laws..
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    brianlux wrote:
    They say, "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns." I say, "If guns were outlawed, there would be fewer guns for outlaws to have." There are so very many guns in America and it is too easy to get them. It's lime to melt them down and make something useful out of them. No, we won't get rid of them all, but the fewer out there, the fewer used to kill.

    Seems logical to me.


    My guns have never harmed everyone, I have never been convicted of a crime, and I am not mentally unstable nor am I on mood altering medication. Why should I so freely give up ANYTHING against my will that I paid money for? I haven't harmed anyone. Are you implying that I'm a ticking time bomb because I legally own firearms?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    so he will do it anyway,right?
    why then to give him access and feel legal?...he must feel out of the system..cos he is bad person
    and not a proud owner of a gun


    How do I know why he did anything that he did? My point is that you can create all the laws that you want, there will still be people there to break them.
    well,will be less people break them,cos they will not get a gun so easily to use those guns for break the laws..


    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    unsung wrote:


    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.
    i blame the society that allow access to the object that could kill people..
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    unsung wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    They say, "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns." I say, "If guns were outlawed, there would be fewer guns for outlaws to have." There are so very many guns in America and it is too easy to get them. It's lime to melt them down and make something useful out of them. No, we won't get rid of them all, but the fewer out there, the fewer used to kill.

    Seems logical to me.


    My guns have never harmed everyone, I have never been convicted of a crime, and I am not mentally unstable nor am I on mood altering medication. Why should I so freely give up ANYTHING against my will that I paid money for? I haven't harmed anyone. Are you implying that I'm a ticking time bomb because I legally own firearms?

    If your guns are stolen they might be used to kill innocent people.

    I implied nothing about you personally. Sorry you took it that way.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    brianlux wrote:
    They say, "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns." I say, "If guns were outlawed, there would be fewer guns for outlaws to have." There are so very many guns in America and it is too easy to get them. It's lime to melt them down and make something useful out of them. No, we won't get rid of them all, but the fewer out there, the fewer used to kill.


    If your guns are stolen they might be used to kill innocent people.


    I implied nothing about you personally. Sorry you took it that way.


    But you said that they should all be melted down, no? So how does that not imply a personal message?
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,717
    edited December 2012
    unsung wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    They say, "If guns were outlawed only outlaws would have guns." I say, "If guns were outlawed, there would be fewer guns for outlaws to have." There are so very many guns in America and it is too easy to get them. It's lime to melt them down and make something useful out of them. No, we won't get rid of them all, but the fewer out there, the fewer used to kill.


    If your guns are stolen they might be used to kill innocent people.


    I implied nothing about you personally. Sorry you took it that way.


    But you said that they should all be melted down, no? So how does that not imply a personal message?
    he also said they ALL wont be gotten rid of.



    I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can't be gotten to by others?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,088
    Again, I don't set why some people see the need to tell everyone about their guns. You open yourself up to having them stolen. That could lead to someone innocent being killed. The responsible gun owners I know (though I wish they weren't gun owners) do not boast about their gun ownership, they do not do posting about it all over the internet.

    Wendell Berry wrote a great story about a man who died and the family wanted to bury him. It was illegal to bury the man on his property but the family did so anyway, quietly and respectfully. If people really have to own a gun, I wish they would at least behave this way.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    i blame the society that allow access to the object that could kill people..

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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    what part of society failed?
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    what part of society failed?

    society has ALWAYS had violence from the very beginning... society has made weapons to make it easier to kill. Humans have an inherent nature for violence we cant make a law for that but we can stop the guns part of it.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Zoso wrote:
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    what part of society failed?

    society has ALWAYS had violence from the very beginning... society has made weapons to make it easier to kill. Humans have an inherent nature for violence we cant make a law for that but we can stop the guns part of it.

    exactly. humanity failed. blaming one sector of society, presumably unsung means the mentally ill, is ill-informed.
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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    CJMST3K wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    i blame the society that allow access to the object that could kill people..

    greek-warriors.jpg

    you're saying you can do as much damage with a spear as a gun that shoots 100 bullets in mins?
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    [quote="Zoso"
    what part of society failed?

    society has ALWAYS had violence from the very beginning... society has made weapons to make it easier to kill. Humans have an inherent nature for violence we cant make a law for that but we can stop the guns part of it.[/quote]

    exactly. humanity failed. blaming one sector of society, presumably unsung means the mentally ill, is ill-informed.[/quote]

    apparently mentally ill Americans are more prone to mass murder then mentally ill in england :? Every country has mental health issues.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,720
    CJMST3K wrote:
    dimitrispearljam wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    You're still blaming an object for a part of society that has failed.

    i blame the society that allow access to the object that could kill people..

    greek-warriors.jpg
    guess you want to point that greek ancient outfit is hot?
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,717
    edited December 2012
    mickeyrat wrote:
    unsung wrote:

    But you said that they should all be melted down, no? So how does that not imply a personal message?
    he also said they ALL wont be gotten rid of.



    I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can't be gotten to by others?
    hello, anybody? is this thing on?
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Zoso wrote:
    apparently mentally ill Americans are more prone to mass murder then mentally ill in england :? Every country has mental health issues.

    I was presuming that's what unsung was talking about. that wasn't my point.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    mickeyrat wrote:
    I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can be gotten to by others?

    there's no possible assurance that can be made. gun owners store them responsibly until one gets stolen, and then the pro gunners will claim all of a sudden that person must not have been a responsible gun owner.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.



    This statement is 100% bullshit and 100% not correct.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    what would be safer...a mall with half the people carrying guns or people without guns?
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.


    I can't resist, good job trolling me back into this. I don't believe that you are ignorant but that really is one of the most mindless statements I've read on the internet, and I've read quite a bit.

    I am required to go through extensively strict background checks TO WORK AT MY JOB because of the potential ramifications to the public if something should go astray. Your statement is an insult and I would expect better from a Pearl Jam fan. Politics aside, (we all disagree on just about anything) that statement is irresponsible. I'd say you should be ashamed of yourself but I'm not sure you know shame. Good day.
  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:
    mickeyrat wrote:
    I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can be gotten to by others?

    there's no possible assurance that can be made. gun owners store them responsibly until one gets stolen, and then the pro gunners will claim all of a sudden that person must not have been a responsible gun owner.

    THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
    Liability insurance. Your guns is used in a crime you pay.
    #FHP
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