what would be safer...a mall with half the people carrying guns or people without guns?
Does your hypothetic situation stop people from illegally entering the premises with a gun intent on doing harm? Because a gun free zone is nothing more than a criminal safe zone.
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
This statement is 100% bullshit and 100% not correct.
This the kind of judgement and prejudice that sneaks out.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can be gotten to by others?
there's no possible assurance that can be made. gun owners store them responsibly until one gets stolen, and then the pro gunners will claim all of a sudden that person must not have been a responsible gun owner.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
That is a very inaccurate and ignorant statement ... sorry. I know people who hunt and are very resposible.
You'll never ban all guns ... here in NA hunting is a huge part of many people's life.
So people ... you might want to first look at gun control ... here in Canada we have pretty good control laws.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Still waiting for one of you anti-gunners to address the OP.
she posts a youtube video of a guy in his home with a camera? How is this even accurate or credible?
I posted a link to foxnews about this story. They seem to have relied on AP for their article. So even they, the fair and balanced group, are part of the conspiracy?
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memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Still waiting for one of you anti-gunners to address the OP.
It's hard to respond to a report that says nothing. Do we know that this man saved the day? I have no idea. Did the guy shoot himself because he saw another guy with a weapon? We will never know will we.
This whole video is a huge stretch and irresponsible, but go on believing what you want because it fits your view. Maybe you believe every youtube video you watch.
Still waiting for one of you anti-gunners to address the OP.
I'm still waiting for one of you pro-gunners to clarify if the following 3 reasons are the major reasons why you oppose gun control:
1. The government is waiting to become tyrannical so everybody needs lots of guns to be ready to fight them.
2. People are trying to get you so you need guns to get them before they get you.
3. Guns are fun.
Unsung... these are the only reasons I ever hear of. Am I missing something here? These certainly cannot be the reasons to implement strategies that would ensure proper gun use and responsible owners... are they?
I have a question, does society as a whole have the right to assurances that gun owners have them stored in a such a way that they can be gotten to by others?
there's no possible assurance that can be made. gun owners store them responsibly until one gets stolen, and then the pro gunners will claim all of a sudden that person must not have been a responsible gun owner.
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
That is a very inaccurate and ignorant statement ... sorry. I know people who hunt and are very resposible.
You'll never ban all guns ... here in NA hunting is a huge part of many people's life.
So people ... you might want to first look at gun control ... here in Canada we have pretty good control laws.
just to clear the air with all you fuckers who are so quick to judge and call me names: my post simply meant that no one, NO ONE, can control what others may or may not do with their guns.
calling the mother irresponsible is idiotic. she trusted her son not to kill her and 26 other people and all of sudden she's an irresponsible gun owner. any parent would make the same mistake.
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This the kind of judgement and prejudice that sneaks out.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
prejudice? I think you might want to look that word up again.
"Won't admit they want all guns banned"? when did I not "admit" this? you must have me confused with someone else. I have stated time and again that non-hunting guns are not necessary, and should be outlawed.
I make no bones about it.
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But you said there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. That's what I commented on.
and that's part of it, is it not?
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER.
This statement is 100% bullshit and 100% not correct.
This the kind of judgement and prejudice that sneaks out.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
I haven't seen one post that has suggested all guns banned. I've seen several posts suggesting types of guns banned and types of owners banned. This comment, you have uttered, is rather dramatic. Come on... get serious. People are asking for moderation and it's more than reasonable.
If you did as much listening as you do talking you would know that most have acknowledged the problem your country faces is a multi-headed problem. One of the issues is the fact that there is an over abundance of easily accessible weaponry. It needs to be addressed. Period.
Can you not protect your family with a shotgun? Can I assume you have drawn the line on owning rocket launchers and hand grenades? Do you think that line might extend a bit to include assault rifles and easily-concealed handguns?
But you said there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. That's what I commented on.
and that's part of it, is it not?
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
last time I checked, I don't need a gun to get to work. your car/gun analogy is weak at best. stop using it. it doesn't make any sense. you are comparing things used in life that have USES other than killing.
unless you are like Homer Simpson and use it to open a can of Spaghetti-O's.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
But you said there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. That's what I commented on.
and that's part of it, is it not?
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
isolated? really? have you seen the news lately? I don't give a shit if it's legal now or not. I think owning a gun is stupid. Case closed.
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Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
last time I checked, I don't need a gun to get to work. your car/gun analogy is weak at best. stop using it. it doesn't make any sense. you are comparing things used in life that have USES other than killing.
unless you are like Homer Simpson and use it to open a can of Spaghetti-O's.
And you TELLING people what they need or don't need is not the way this country was built. Especially law abiding US citizens just excercising their rights. And no any analogy made to guns including cars is not weak. This is a question of rights and what people feel OTHERS should do because of their own feelings and bias. And no you DONT need a car. You can walk...take a bike.
Did you know more kids are killed in backyard pools every year, overwhelmingly actually, than by legally owned weapons?
isolated? really? have you seen the news lately? I don't give a shit if it's legal now or not. I think owning a gun is stupid. Case closed.
Yeah, when you consider the number of legally owned guns in the US that cause zero harm vs what has happened....yes it's very isolated actually. And considering that the couple past of these asshole incidents were caused by illegally obtained weapons the point is even more mute.
But you said there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. That's what I commented on.
and that's part of it, is it not?
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
What if? What if? What if? Well he didn't use a car. He didn't use a pillow or a knife or a spork or a fucking cocktail umbrella. He used a fucking gun. Some of those babies had up to ELEVEN bullets in their little bodies. The medical examiner showed the parents pictures instead of the actual bodies because they were TORN APART. I wished he had just crashed his fucking car into the building instead. Some of those kids might have actually survived. Fucking semi-automatic assault rifles had no fucking place in his home. Banning guns will not stop violence. i know this. But way to many unstable and vengeful people are getting their hands on them. Personality disorders are not going to be cured. We can't just infuse people with empathy. Something has got to change. We have to take one of the ingredients out of the recipe.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
This the kind of judgement and prejudice that sneaks out.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
Paranoid enough?
I'm sorry, but the US has a serious gun problem. You have no problem insuring your homes, your cars and even your bodies but many Americans seem to go ape crazy when anybody suggests any sort of limit on firearms; even semi automatic rifles which have virtually no other real world application beyond creating carnage. When your nation can't even engage in a civilized discourse on firearm safety you have a real problem on your hands.
Then again, I suppose I must be out to get you, your family and your property. It's all just one big Canadian conspiracy to destroy America.
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
last time I checked, I don't need a gun to get to work. your car/gun analogy is weak at best. stop using it. it doesn't make any sense. you are comparing things used in life that have USES other than killing.
unless you are like Homer Simpson and use it to open a can of Spaghetti-O's.
And you TELLING people what they need or don't need is not the way this country was built. Especially law abiding US citizens just excercising their rights. And no any analogy made to guns including cars is not weak. This is a question of rights and what people feel OTHERS should do because of their own feelings and bias. And no you DONT need a car. You can walk...take a bike.
Did you know more kids are killed in backyard pools every year, overwhelmingly actually, than by legally owned weapons?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And you TELLING people what they need or don't need is not the way this country was built. Especially law abiding US citizens just excercising their rights. And no any analogy made to guns including cars is not weak. This is a question of rights and what people feel OTHERS should do because of their own feelings and bias. And no you DONT need a car. You can walk...take a bike.
Did you know more kids are killed in backyard pools every year, overwhelmingly actually, than by legally owned weapons?
actually, no, I bus to work.
I am not biased. I have never had a personal bad experience with guns, nor been directly affected by anything of the sort. that would be biased.
good to know! I was thinking of buying my daughter a pool next summer, now I'll buy her a gun! :fp:
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Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
WHo gives a shit? Obviously we as US citizens can't handle having pools in this country so why not perform background checks and place risidculous restrictions on who can have a pool. It's obvious we have a pool problem in the country and we need to step up.
This the kind of judgement and prejudice that sneaks out.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
Then again, I suppose I must be out to get you, your family and your property. It's all just one big Canadian conspiracy to destroy America.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
WHo gives a shit? Obviously we as US citizens can't handle having pools in this country so why not perform background checks and place risidculous restrictions on who can have a pool. It's obvious we have a pool problem in the country and we need to step up.
you are grasping at the ever present straw in this argument.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
WHo gives a shit? Obviously we as US citizens can't handle having pools in this country so why not perform background checks and place risidculous restrictions on who can have a pool. It's obvious we have a pool problem in the country and we need to step up.
Really grasping at straws now.....better go back to talking about cars.
Edit: Shit, the lead singer of The Headstones beat me to it.
WHo gives a shit? Obviously we as US citizens can't handle having pools in this country so why not perform background checks and place risidculous restrictions on who can have a pool. It's obvious we have a pool problem in the country and we need to step up.
Seriously? You don't see a difference between accidental deaths versus homicidal deaths?
I am not biased. I have never had a personal bad experience with guns, nor been directly affected by anything of the sort. that would be biased.
good to know! I was thinking of buying my daughter a pool next summer, now I'll buy her a gun! :fp:
Buses are part of the problem man. They're just bigger cars. And about your gun snicker I think you think is funny and witty. Your household would actually be safer statistically having a gun than having a pool for the safety of your child.
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Does your hypothetic situation stop people from illegally entering the premises with a gun intent on doing harm? Because a gun free zone is nothing more than a criminal safe zone.
Just when I thought I'd seen the most ignorant statement you come along and blow me away.
Some people won't admit they want
all guns banned because that is uncompromising.
But with these feelings gushing out of people we know the motive
for gun control. They want them gone, all gone. They want the right
taken away to protect oneself, their families and their property.
Because they don't want the right they think they can strip everyone of it.
Why the NRA has the following it does.
People want this right and they will fight to keep it.
That is a very inaccurate and ignorant statement ... sorry. I know people who hunt and are very resposible.
You'll never ban all guns ... here in NA hunting is a huge part of many people's life.
So people ... you might want to first look at gun control ... here in Canada we have pretty good control laws.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I posted a link to foxnews about this story. They seem to have relied on AP for their article. So even they, the fair and balanced group, are part of the conspiracy?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It's hard to respond to a report that says nothing. Do we know that this man saved the day? I have no idea. Did the guy shoot himself because he saw another guy with a weapon? We will never know will we.
This whole video is a huge stretch and irresponsible, but go on believing what you want because it fits your view. Maybe you believe every youtube video you watch.
I'm still waiting for one of you pro-gunners to clarify if the following 3 reasons are the major reasons why you oppose gun control:
1. The government is waiting to become tyrannical so everybody needs lots of guns to be ready to fight them.
2. People are trying to get you so you need guns to get them before they get you.
3. Guns are fun.
Unsung... these are the only reasons I ever hear of. Am I missing something here? These certainly cannot be the reasons to implement strategies that would ensure proper gun use and responsible owners... are they?
just to clear the air with all you fuckers who are so quick to judge and call me names: my post simply meant that no one, NO ONE, can control what others may or may not do with their guns.
calling the mother irresponsible is idiotic. she trusted her son not to kill her and 26 other people and all of sudden she's an irresponsible gun owner. any parent would make the same mistake.
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prejudice? I think you might want to look that word up again.
"Won't admit they want all guns banned"? when did I not "admit" this? you must have me confused with someone else. I have stated time and again that non-hunting guns are not necessary, and should be outlawed.
I make no bones about it.
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as you always say, I have my opinion, you have yours. no one can control their guns 100% of the time. to claim otherwise is complete bullshit.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
But you said there is no such thing as a responsible gun owner. That's what I commented on.
and that's part of it, is it not?
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Part of what? You do realize that almost half of US households legally own a gun correct? People focus on these isolated instances and yes they are tragic, but they are isolated. What if someone stole your car right now and drove down a sidewalk killing 30 people. Does this make you an irresponsible car owner? :?
I haven't seen one post that has suggested all guns banned. I've seen several posts suggesting types of guns banned and types of owners banned. This comment, you have uttered, is rather dramatic. Come on... get serious. People are asking for moderation and it's more than reasonable.
If you did as much listening as you do talking you would know that most have acknowledged the problem your country faces is a multi-headed problem. One of the issues is the fact that there is an over abundance of easily accessible weaponry. It needs to be addressed. Period.
Can you not protect your family with a shotgun? Can I assume you have drawn the line on owning rocket launchers and hand grenades? Do you think that line might extend a bit to include assault rifles and easily-concealed handguns?
last time I checked, I don't need a gun to get to work. your car/gun analogy is weak at best. stop using it. it doesn't make any sense. you are comparing things used in life that have USES other than killing.
unless you are like Homer Simpson and use it to open a can of Spaghetti-O's.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
isolated? really? have you seen the news lately? I don't give a shit if it's legal now or not. I think owning a gun is stupid. Case closed.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
And you TELLING people what they need or don't need is not the way this country was built. Especially law abiding US citizens just excercising their rights. And no any analogy made to guns including cars is not weak. This is a question of rights and what people feel OTHERS should do because of their own feelings and bias. And no you DONT need a car. You can walk...take a bike.
Did you know more kids are killed in backyard pools every year, overwhelmingly actually, than by legally owned weapons?
Yeah, when you consider the number of legally owned guns in the US that cause zero harm vs what has happened....yes it's very isolated actually. And considering that the couple past of these asshole incidents were caused by illegally obtained weapons the point is even more mute.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Paranoid enough?
I'm sorry, but the US has a serious gun problem. You have no problem insuring your homes, your cars and even your bodies but many Americans seem to go ape crazy when anybody suggests any sort of limit on firearms; even semi automatic rifles which have virtually no other real world application beyond creating carnage. When your nation can't even engage in a civilized discourse on firearm safety you have a real problem on your hands.
Then again, I suppose I must be out to get you, your family and your property. It's all just one big Canadian conspiracy to destroy America.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
actually, no, I bus to work.
I am not biased. I have never had a personal bad experience with guns, nor been directly affected by anything of the sort. that would be biased.
good to know! I was thinking of buying my daughter a pool next summer, now I'll buy her a gun! :fp:
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
WHo gives a shit? Obviously we as US citizens can't handle having pools in this country so why not perform background checks and place risidculous restrictions on who can have a pool. It's obvious we have a pool problem in the country and we need to step up.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
you are grasping at the ever present straw in this argument.
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Winnipeg 2011
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Really grasping at straws now.....better go back to talking about cars.
Edit: Shit, the lead singer of The Headstones beat me to it.
Seriously? You don't see a difference between accidental deaths versus homicidal deaths?
Oy-yoy-yoy.
Buses are part of the problem man. They're just bigger cars. And about your gun snicker I think you think is funny and witty. Your household would actually be safer statistically having a gun than having a pool for the safety of your child.
then I'll just fill my bathtub with bullets and hope for the best.
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