interesting...blaming a gun owner who legally purchased and owned guns....
you seem to know more than I do about the Lanza home...you appear have knowledge that these guns were out and easily accessible vs. being locked up...where did you get this info...?
You asked what being a responsible gun owner is. I told you. Being a responsible gun owner is insuring the guns are not accessible to others.
and I commented on your answer...that's this works sometimes...
anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?
lol at your addition of the Clorox comment...all I can say is: busses
No, I really don't. I thought she was a gun owner? If I am wrong and he is not saying she should have gunned down her son, please tell me where my mistake is.
I guess you've not read heard the notion of "if only the victim had a gun, this would have never happened"...anyhoo others have chimed in to help you understand...
I still would like to know what you meant by "I imagine the same could be said about Michael Moore's mother"...
I think some of you are giving Michael Moore too much credit. I read that statement and it is not entirely clear to me that he is not implying the mother should have gunned down the son before Friday. If that is the case and he is implying something so callous then my point is that the same could be said of his mother. Tasteless, yes, but it is in response to tastelessness.
But maybe I am wrong. It would not be the first time.
I guess that's a good question about Lanza's mother. Was she a responsible gun owner? Were the guns locked up in a safe with trigger locks? I havent heard. I think that's what Hugh was saying yesterday, that you can never be really 100% positive that the wrong person can get a hold of your guns and use them. I dont think 100% is achievable.
the definition of what we consider a "responsible gun owner" is going to vary from one person to the next. Can you be responsible despite the actions of another?
I think some of you are giving Michael Moore too much credit. I read that statement and it is not entirely clear to me that he is not implying the mother should have gunned down the son before Friday. If that is the case and he is implying something so callous then my point is that the same could be said of his mother. Tasteless, yes, but it is in response to tastelessness.
But maybe I am wrong. It would not be the first time.
Given Moore's stance on guns, I think the statement is quite clear (and sardonic). It's a common line amongst gun advocates to say that these tragedies could easily be prevented if only more people were armed. In this case, the shooter's mother ended up providing the tools which led to this massacre making the statement so poignant.
I fully admit that my interpretation of Michael Moore's statement may stem from the fact that I do believe him to be a fraud who is no better than Hannity or Limbaugh.
I guess that's a good question about Lanza's mother. Was she a responsible gun owner? Were the guns locked up in a safe with trigger locks? I havent heard. I think that's what Hugh was saying yesterday, that you can never be really 100% positive that the wrong person can get a hold of your guns and use them. I dont think 100% is achievable.
the definition of what we consider a "responsible gun owner" is going to vary from one person to the next. Can you be responsible despite the actions of another?
the is not such a thing "responsible gun owner"...Thank God ,being at Airforce help me understand it at young age..
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anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?
Sure I do. He ended up with them.
then by your definition: all guns are accessible...even those thought to be locked up...as long as someone ends up with them...
thanks for clearing that up... :thumbup:
Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:
the is not such a thing "responsible gun owner"...Thank God ,being at Airforce help me understand it at young age..
Sure there is. Millions and millions of US citizens are extremely responsible gun owners. Statements like this are ridiculous and bias to someone's own personal feelings about gun ownership.
Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today.
You sure that nothing bad happened today with any legally obtained guns? Pretty bold statement. I could fire up the old Google machine but I'm too lazy.
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
btw.the mother of the shooter was "responsible gun owner" till 3 days ago..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....
I have dated several women who have told me I snore. However, I have never heard myself snore. Therefore these women have all clearly been incorrect.
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....
I have dated several women who have told me I snore. However, I have never heard myself snore. Therefore these women have all clearly been incorrect.
ofcourse,its their fault that heard you,not your fault you snore...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
Nope it's just these little isolated incidents are over publicized to be honest in my opinion. The liberal media overhypes them. Now before I get jumped on....this is tragic...I don't or never want to see anyone killed ever.
Almost half of US households contain a weapon. Where are all of those stories?
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
is like someone says ,my farts dont smell bad ,cos i didnt fart today.....
Intersting. The liberals make fun of gun owners comparing gun ownership to car owndership but here we are comparing it to farts.
can you have your gun locked up and still use for safety in case you need it?
I don't know that answer to that question. I hear people saying that being a responsible gun owner means locking up your guns but would you not need them to readily available in case you need them?
can you have your gun locked up and still use for safety in case you need it?
I don't know that answer to that question. I hear people saying that being a responsible gun owner means locking up your guns but would you not need them to readily available in case you need them?
im sure jack norris can do it
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
can you have your gun locked up and still use for safety in case you need it?
Absolutley.
I don't know that much about guns or gun storage but how hard is it to get a gun out of a safe box?
Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
I don't know that much about guns or gun storage but how hard is it to get a gun out of a safe box?
Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
thanks I am just trying to learn here. i have read here and other places that some people keep their gun in their nightstand when they are sleeping and then put it in a safe afterward and I always thought how safe is it to have a gun in your night stand?
Can I ask you a question, would you be willing to have people who didn't store their guns properly be charged witha crime if anything happen with someone using that gun?
what would be safer...a mall with half the people carrying guns or people without guns?
Does your hypothetic situation stop people from illegally entering the premises with a gun intent on doing harm? Because a gun free zone is nothing more than a criminal safe zone.
this is not true. not all criminals carry guns.
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Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
that's about 15 seconds after he's dead. which is why most people who claim protection keep them under their pillow, in arm's reach of their kid.
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Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
that's about 15 seconds after he's dead. which is why most people who claim protection keep them under their pillow, in arm's reach of their kid.
100 not true. But continue with the assumptions. It makes for interesting reading.
Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
that's about 15 seconds after he's dead. which is why most people who claim protection keep them under their pillow, in arm's reach of their kid.
100 not true. But continue with the assumptions. It makes for interesting reading.
nearly every single response you have is "100% not true/bullshit", which makes for very uninteresting readin. either you are 100% protected or you are 100% responsible. you can't have both.
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and I commented on your answer...that's this works sometimes...
anyhoo, you don't really know if the guns were "accessible"...right?
lol at your addition of the Clorox comment...all I can say is: busses
I think some of you are giving Michael Moore too much credit. I read that statement and it is not entirely clear to me that he is not implying the mother should have gunned down the son before Friday. If that is the case and he is implying something so callous then my point is that the same could be said of his mother. Tasteless, yes, but it is in response to tastelessness.
But maybe I am wrong. It would not be the first time.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Kind of like the military.
Sure I do. He ended up with them.
the definition of what we consider a "responsible gun owner" is going to vary from one person to the next. Can you be responsible despite the actions of another?
Given Moore's stance on guns, I think the statement is quite clear (and sardonic). It's a common line amongst gun advocates to say that these tragedies could easily be prevented if only more people were armed. In this case, the shooter's mother ended up providing the tools which led to this massacre making the statement so poignant.
then by your definition: all guns are accessible...even those thought to be locked up...as long as someone ends up with them...
thanks for clearing that up... :thumbup:
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Umm...no. All guns are not accessible. Just look at the miliions and millions and millions and millions and millions and millions of legally obtained guns that didn't do anything today. Not sure where you are coming up with that stretch from my statements. :? But hey I'll give you a smiley thumbs up for effort. :thumbup:
Sure there is. Millions and millions of US citizens are extremely responsible gun owners. Statements like this are ridiculous and bias to someone's own personal feelings about gun ownership.
It sounds like you are counting every gun that has not as of yet been used improperly as being stored safely simply because it as of yet has not been used improperly.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
You sure that nothing bad happened today with any legally obtained guns? Pretty bold statement. I could fire up the old Google machine but I'm too lazy.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I have dated several women who have told me I snore. However, I have never heard myself snore. Therefore these women have all clearly been incorrect.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Nope it's just these little isolated incidents are over publicized to be honest in my opinion. The liberal media overhypes them. Now before I get jumped on....this is tragic...I don't or never want to see anyone killed ever.
Almost half of US households contain a weapon. Where are all of those stories?
Intersting. The liberals make fun of gun owners comparing gun ownership to car owndership but here we are comparing it to farts.
I don't know that answer to that question. I hear people saying that being a responsible gun owner means locking up your guns but would you not need them to readily available in case you need them?
Absolutley.
I don't know that much about guns or gun storage but how hard is it to get a gun out of a safe box?
also can you respond to the 2nd part of my post?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well my buddy keeps his AR15 and AK47 in a fire proof locker in his master bedroom closet that needs a key and a 5 number code to unlock it. It's also secured to the floor like a safe would be. I've never taken the gun out but I've watched him od it. Take probably 30 seconds or so I guess.
thanks I am just trying to learn here. i have read here and other places that some people keep their gun in their nightstand when they are sleeping and then put it in a safe afterward and I always thought how safe is it to have a gun in your night stand?
Can I ask you a question, would you be willing to have people who didn't store their guns properly be charged witha crime if anything happen with someone using that gun?
again sorry if these are stupid questions.
Why would does the USA have laws that say that it is Ok to have your gun concealed?
it just seems to me that a person who has a gun concealed has a greater chance of being the shooter and not the defender?
this is not true. not all criminals carry guns.
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that's about 15 seconds after he's dead. which is why most people who claim protection keep them under their pillow, in arm's reach of their kid.
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100 not true. But continue with the assumptions. It makes for interesting reading.
nearly every single response you have is "100% not true/bullshit", which makes for very uninteresting readin. either you are 100% protected or you are 100% responsible. you can't have both.
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