NRA-the massacre wouldn't have happened if teachers had guns

Thirty Bills Unpaid

goingtoverona wrote:

yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

see you're comparing murder to wanting to own a machine, it's very dramatic but doesn't really make sense to me. and short of catching a criminal in the act, the police aren't gonna catch shit usually.

laws are laws...
you cant follow and respect only what you like...
you will not follow the laws cos u dont like the gun control
so,if u dont like red light,what you will do??will never stop and pass??create an accident that will may kill somone..


i can give u million exables.....

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But given the mentality of accepting the freedom to exercise choice with regards to law... that makes the country, in effect, lawless.

pandora

Actually that is exactly what people do.
They follow the laws they choose to.

Smoking pot, speeding, gas station gambling, sexual practices, on and on...
people break laws all the time and do not consider themselves criminal.
They justify...

goingtoverona

yes man, and what that says to me is that the majority of the what is it, 300 plus million in our country, are just regular average everyday folks looking to accomplish what most people on this world do, which is to safely and comfortably raise your family until you croak of old age.

dimitrispearljam

goingtoverona wrote:

yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

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if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
but you describe anarchy here....
like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..

Thirty Bills Unpaid

http://news.msn.com/us/ind-man-with-47- ... ool-threat

Geez man.

DS1119

goingtoverona wrote:

dude you're not stupid, i admire that you are so passionate about saving lives. my feeling as a gun owner is just that no matter what you do, what laws you pass and what you ban, there are still going to be people with guns commiting violence against other people. so you're essentially saying to tens of millions honest regular people that a few bad apples spoiled the barrel for you guys. and that doesn't matter to you, because you yourself don't like guns so in your mind it's like how could anyone be against that.

Bingo.

dimitrispearljam

no need to carry a gun to be brave..


i call this one a brave man..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYt4T201Lrw

redrock

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

http://news.msn.com/us/ind-man-with-47-guns-arrested-after-school-threat

Geez man.

And another headline... http://news.msn.com/us/man-arrested-aft ... arking-lot

goingtoverona

you are definitely right about all politicians wanting their people to be sheep. it seems that you believe people don't commit crimes because the laws prohibiting crimes and the possible penalties, i believe most people don't commit crimes because they are good people and not because there are laws. as far as peoples differing opinions on how severe a crime is against another human being, most people believe rape is an abhorrent, repugnant thing, but as colorado and washington have said people are pretty split on drugs. it's apples and oranges to me, but that's just me, i kinda see your point

dimitrispearljam wrote:

goingtoverona wrote:

yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

]

if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
but you describe anarchy here....
like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..

riotgrl

brianlux wrote:

And one more time:

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

Prevention is the key! My head is spinning from all these suggestions but we are refusing to see the true cause of all these problems. I believe we should control guns but we need to examine mental health issues and health insurance in this country. But most importantly, we need to reexamine the fucked up modern society we live in and how it damages us.

Zoso

I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.

unsung

catefrances wrote:

and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?

No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?

dimitrispearljam

i believe people dont do crimes cos are good people,cos the respect the laws,cos they afraid the laws..
and im pretty sure ALOT people dont do crimes cos afraid the humilation and the penalty after they got caught..
im thinking...can you imagine how many people say to eachother "ill kill you" every day for so many stupid reasons?
can u imagine how many will do it if there was no laws or penalies for murders??

goingtoverona wrote:

you are definitely right about all politicians wanting their people to be sheep. it seems that you believe people don't commit crimes because the laws prohibiting crimes and the possible penalties, i believe most people don't commit crimes because they are good people and not because there are laws. as far as peoples differing opinions on how severe a crime is against another human being, most people believe rape is an abhorrent, repugnant thing, but as colorado and washington have said people are pretty split on drugs. it's apples and oranges to me, but that's just me, i kinda see your point

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
but you describe anarchy here....
like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..

brianlux

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.

It seems like it's all about owning guns. The feeling I get is that a lot of people are saying, "Why look for solutions when it's easier to just tote a heater."

Its that Yosemite Sam vs Bugs Bunny thing over and over and over.
Six shooter
Ten shooter
Twenty shooter
One Hundred shooter

Crazy!

riotgrl

Zoso wrote:

I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.

Exactly Have any of you worked at a school with an armed police officer patrolling the hallways? Because I have and it is a soul crushing experience to live like that day in and day out. No way in hell, I would ever allow my child to go to school in a place like that. School is supposed to be a nurturing environment that encourages kids to be their best and you want to introduce guns and fear and hope that those are the things that end the violence???

brianlux

riotgrl wrote:

brianlux wrote:

And one more time:

Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.

Prevention is the key! My head is spinning from all these suggestions but we are refusing to see the true cause of all these problems. I believe we should control guns but we need to examine mental health issues and health insurance in this country. But most importantly, we need to reexamine the fucked up modern society we live in and how it damages us.

Well said, riotgrl.

I will say, bad on me. So many of the gun proponents just can't rant and rave enough about guns, even in the close aftermath of tragedy. We should be talking about solutions but I fall for the debate. Bad on me. Bad.

Zoso

people I come from a country that has ONE massacre and then bam guns were banned.... the crime rate didn't move but gun related murders went down so much.

the idea that this happens and everyone thinks they will feel safer with more guns is a purely American power trip thing and it sickens me.

dimitrispearljam

unsung wrote:

catefrances wrote:

and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?

No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?

why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life

Zoso

dimitrispearljam wrote:

unsung wrote:

catefrances wrote:

and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?

No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?

why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life

dimi because it's not about feelikng safer with a gun or anything it's about oh the government will take my right to anything away including my gun.. it's a pure power trip and not wanting to surrender their property.. doesn't mattter that their gun's and other's are shooting up little kids... taking my rights away are more important then the saftey of kids here. and it makes me sooooo fucking mad.

dimitrispearljam

Zoso wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

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why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life

dimi because it's not about feelikng safer with a gun or anything it's about oh the government will take my right to anything away including my gun.. it's a pure power trip and not wanting to surrender their property.. doesn't mattter that their gun's and other's are shooting up little kids... taking my rights away are more important then the saftey of kids here. and it makes me sooooo fucking mad.

well,they can put their property in their asses,cos anywhere else isnt safe...