NRA-the massacre wouldn't have happened if teachers had guns

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  • yeah like a buffet i like that. i don't kill people because i find it morally reprehensible, i don't rape women because i find it morally reprehensible, same thing with molesting kids, robbing people and other crimes that have a negative impact on people. and i do that, or don't do that as the case may be not because there are laws forbidding it but because i find it to be wrong. i smoke weed because the law prohibiting it is bull shit. which is exactly the way i would feel if there was a law requiring me to turn in all my guns.

    it depends on the scenario, if it was like a mass letter was sent out to the people saying you need to turn in your guns, i would call the police and say my guns were stolen then hide them(which would be illegal). if they came to my house like no knock warrant style, it's easy to say i'd blast them, but more than likely i'd be frozen still. and yes i only obey laws that i find to be just.
    well,tomorrow,if someone shoot and kill your loved ones,dont call the police to catch him...
    ask him first if he like the laws about killing and be murderer..
    if he agree that need to pay for his crimes,call together the 911

    Hmmmm. Interesting. People allowed to be selective with which laws they agree with and which they don't. Kind of like a buffet: "I'll adhere a little to this. Yuck- won't adhere to that. Oh... I love this law- I'll adhere strongly. Not having any of that law though."

    It's a good perspective offered here, Dimi. One might say it's a little extreme... but who's to say their perspective is the 'correct' perspective? A democracy doesn't always cater to the individual. Sometimes, individuals don't get their way. As an example of this, look at all those begging for gun control!
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • well i'd be much more up for banning if the governement banned everything that killed people. otherwise it's just a bias agenda against guns, imo of course

    it depends on the scenario, if it was like a mass letter was sent out to the people saying you need to turn in your guns, i would call the police and say my guns were stolen then hide them(which would be illegal). if they came to my house like no knock warrant style, it's easy to say i'd blast them, but more than likely i'd be frozen still. and yes i only obey laws that i find to be just.

    Wow.

    Those guns mean that much to you, huh?

    A rifle or a shotgun wouldn't suffice? You need a handgun or assault rifle that badly that you would leave the innocents at risk? You don't think laws intended to keep harm from touching the lives of schoolchildren at school or movie goers at theaters to be just?

    If this is a prevalent mentaility... your country might be too far gone. I'm wasting my breath.

    Before we continue... let me say that I have no problem with you as a person. Our beliefs are different, but I recognize you are not a bad person.

    Guns are a little more effective and efficient than knives though... wouldn't you say? I mean look at the results of the most recent 'mass knife attack' compared to the most recent 'mass gun attack'.

    Of course such an agenda would be a little biased- targeting certain types of guns. But not completely biased- allowing for citizens to own 'appropriate' guns (the ones that allow for hunting and, to some degree, protection).

    I just don't get it. I just can't get my around the fact that some seemingly reasonable people would argue steadfastly for their right to possess advanced weaponry and allow their neighbours to do so as well. I'm missing something. I clearly need to be able to see the other side of this argument... but it's not within me to do so. I'm trying though. I must be stupid.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • let's say fairy dust rained down on every gun and bullet on the planet and made them disappear. the first thing that would happen imo, would be every person who knew how to make a gun would start making guns again which would be outrageously priced and only bought by the rich and governments, there would be power struggles and new lines drawn and we would slowly work our way back to having hundreds of millions of guns across the world.



    pandora wrote:
    If we could wake up tomorrow and have every single gun gone from Earth...
    poof none here, none to ever be made again.
    None for the police, none for the military,
    none for the criminal, none for the hunter, none for the collector,
    none for the family's protection.

    Poof gone.

    Who would miss them?

    Who would want them?

    Who would need them?

    Who would get them anyway they could? Then who would have to get them too?
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • yeah like a buffet i like that. i don't kill people because i find it morally reprehensible, i don't rape women because i find it morally reprehensible, same thing with molesting kids, robbing people and other crimes that have a negative impact on people. and i do that, or don't do that as the case may be not because there are laws forbidding it but because i find it to be wrong. i smoke weed because the law prohibiting it is bull shit. which is exactly the way i would feel if there was a law requiring me to turn in all my guns.


    Hmmmm. Interesting. People allowed to be selective with which laws they agree with and which they don't. Kind of like a buffet: "I'll adhere a little to this. Yuck- won't adhere to that. Oh... I love this law- I'll adhere strongly. Not having any of that law though."

    It's a good perspective offered here, Dimi. One might say it's a little extreme... but who's to say their perspective is the 'correct' perspective? A democracy doesn't always cater to the individual. Sometimes, individuals don't get their way. As an example of this, look at all those begging for gun control!

    Except the only problem with that mentality is that you are capable of making the right choices. It's fair to say that there are others that are not. A slippery slope here.

    * I hope I didn't bugger up the imbedded quotes here!
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • see you're comparing murder to wanting to own a machine, it's very dramatic but doesn't really make sense to me. and short of catching a criminal in the act, the police aren't gonna catch shit usually.
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    laws are laws...
    you cant follow and respect only what you like...
    you will not follow the laws cos u dont like the gun control
    so,if u dont like red light,what you will do??will never stop and pass??create an accident that will may kill somone..


    i can give u million exables.....
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • satansbedsatansbed Posts: 2,139
    The NRA are a bunch of fucks.
    Morons trying to make a country paranoid.
    Cannot believe how they can wield so much power and influence on American politics.
    I hope Obama stands up to them.
    The proof that guns are bad is in the bar graph I saw on the news this morning, the USA gun related homicides are way above that of other countries in the world (including Australia) that have restrictions on guns.


    i would change your second line to morons preying on a paranoid country. other than that i agree
  • dude you're not stupid, i admire that you are so passionate about saving lives. my feeling as a gun owner is just that no matter what you do, what laws you pass and what you ban, there are still going to be people with guns commiting violence against other people. so you're essentially saying to tens of millions honest regular people that a few bad apples spoiled the barrel for you guys. and that doesn't matter to you, because you yourself don't like guns so in your mind it's like how could anyone be against that.

    well i'd be much more up for banning if the governement banned everything that killed people. otherwise it's just a bias agenda against guns, imo of course



    Before we continue... let me say that I have no problem with you as a person. Our beliefs are different, but I recognize you are not a bad person.

    Guns are a little more effective and efficient than knives though... wouldn't you say? I mean look at the results of the most recent 'mass knife attack' compared to the most recent 'mass gun attack'.

    Of course such an agenda would be a little biased- targeting certain types of guns. But not completely biased- allowing for citizens to own 'appropriate' guns (the ones that allow for hunting and, to some degree, protection).

    I just don't get it. I just can't get my around the fact that some seemingly reasonable people would argue steadfastly for their right to possess advanced weaponry and allow their neighbours to do so as well. I'm missing something. I clearly need to be able to see the other side of this argument... but it's not within me to do so. I'm trying though. I must be stupid.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • yeah like a buffet i like that. i don't kill people because i find it morally reprehensible, i don't rape women because i find it morally reprehensible, same thing with molesting kids, robbing people and other crimes that have a negative impact on people. and i do that, or don't do that as the case may be not because there are laws forbidding it but because i find it to be wrong. i smoke weed because the law prohibiting it is bull shit. which is exactly the way i would feel if there was a law requiring me to turn in all my guns.
    so you smoke weed cos the law dont allow it and you think is bullshit,or cos you like smoking it??
    and what happen if you change your mind tomorrow about laws for rape and murder and other crimes?
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

    see you're comparing murder to wanting to own a machine, it's very dramatic but doesn't really make sense to me. and short of catching a criminal in the act, the police aren't gonna catch shit usually.
    laws are laws...
    you cant follow and respect only what you like...
    you will not follow the laws cos u dont like the gun control
    so,if u dont like red light,what you will do??will never stop and pass??create an accident that will may kill somone..


    i can give u million exables.....[/quote]
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • i don't smoke just because the laws a joke, i smoke cuz i like, i'm just not seeing how i could change my mind about rape and murder, i mean killing someone trying to roll me or my family yeah, but not just randomly killing innocent people, and rape, i mean i can not see any situation that would warrant rape. my thoughts on those are about as likely to change as yours are
    yeah like a buffet i like that. i don't kill people because i find it morally reprehensible, i don't rape women because i find it morally reprehensible, same thing with molesting kids, robbing people and other crimes that have a negative impact on people. and i do that, or don't do that as the case may be not because there are laws forbidding it but because i find it to be wrong. i smoke weed because the law prohibiting it is bull shit. which is exactly the way i would feel if there was a law requiring me to turn in all my guns.
    so you smoke weed cos the law dont allow it and you think is bullshit,or cos you like smoking it??
    and what happen if you change your mind tomorrow about laws for rape and murder and other crimes?
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

    see you're comparing murder to wanting to own a machine, it's very dramatic but doesn't really make sense to me. and short of catching a criminal in the act, the police aren't gonna catch shit usually.
    laws are laws...
    you cant follow and respect only what you like...
    you will not follow the laws cos u dont like the gun control
    so,if u dont like red light,what you will do??will never stop and pass??create an accident that will may kill somone..


    i can give u million exables.....
    [/quote]

    But given the mentality of accepting the freedom to exercise choice with regards to law... that makes the country, in effect, lawless.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Actually that is exactly what people do.
    They follow the laws they choose to.

    Smoking pot, speeding, gas station gambling, sexual practices, ;) on and on...
    people break laws all the time and do not consider themselves criminal.
    They justify...
  • yes man, and what that says to me is that the majority of the what is it, 300 plus million in our country, are just regular average everyday folks looking to accomplish what most people on this world do, which is to safely and comfortably raise your family until you croak of old age.
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

    ]
    if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
    This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
    you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
    but you describe anarchy here....
    like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
    well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dude you're not stupid, i admire that you are so passionate about saving lives. my feeling as a gun owner is just that no matter what you do, what laws you pass and what you ban, there are still going to be people with guns commiting violence against other people. so you're essentially saying to tens of millions honest regular people that a few bad apples spoiled the barrel for you guys. and that doesn't matter to you, because you yourself don't like guns so in your mind it's like how could anyone be against that.

    Bingo.
  • no need to carry a gun to be brave..


    i call this one a brave man..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYt4T201Lrw
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • you are definitely right about all politicians wanting their people to be sheep. it seems that you believe people don't commit crimes because the laws prohibiting crimes and the possible penalties, i believe most people don't commit crimes because they are good people and not because there are laws. as far as peoples differing opinions on how severe a crime is against another human being, most people believe rape is an abhorrent, repugnant thing, but as colorado and washington have said people are pretty split on drugs. it's apples and oranges to me, but that's just me, i kinda see your point


    yeah running a red light can have a negative impact on another persons life, you make a list of laws and i will tell you which i would obey and which i would not. if you believe a person should obey every single law regardless of what it is, then my friend you should move to america because the politicians here would really love you.

    ]
    if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
    This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
    you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
    but you describe anarchy here....
    like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
    well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..
    if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    brianlux wrote:
    And one more time:

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.


    Prevention is the key! My head is spinning from all these suggestions but we are refusing to see the true cause of all these problems. I believe we should control guns but we need to examine mental health issues and health insurance in this country. But most importantly, we need to reexamine the fucked up modern society we live in and how it damages us.
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

    people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?


    No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


    Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?
  • i believe people dont do crimes cos are good people,cos the respect the laws,cos they afraid the laws..
    and im pretty sure ALOT people dont do crimes cos afraid the humilation and the penalty after they got caught..
    im thinking...can you imagine how many people say to eachother "ill kill you" every day for so many stupid reasons?
    can u imagine how many will do it if there was no laws or penalies for murders??

    you are definitely right about all politicians wanting their people to be sheep. it seems that you believe people don't commit crimes because the laws prohibiting crimes and the possible penalties, i believe most people don't commit crimes because they are good people and not because there are laws. as far as peoples differing opinions on how severe a crime is against another human being, most people believe rape is an abhorrent, repugnant thing, but as colorado and washington have said people are pretty split on drugs. it's apples and oranges to me, but that's just me, i kinda see your point


    if you dont respect the laws,and you are free to do what ever you like,whatever anyonme likes,then,
    This thing isnt called country or society....its chaos..and this is for all countries..
    you know any politicians worldwide that dont want all the civilians to be like sheeps??
    but you describe anarchy here....
    like..its not biggie..i dont like the weed laws...not murder and rape..those are serious crimes
    well the guy next to you will respect weed laws,but will say no biggie..is just rape..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,408
    Zoso wrote:
    I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

    people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.

    It seems like it's all about owning guns. The feeling I get is that a lot of people are saying, "Why look for solutions when it's easier to just tote a heater."

    Its that Yosemite Sam vs Bugs Bunny thing over and over and over.
    Six shooter
    Ten shooter
    Twenty shooter
    One Hundred shooter

    Crazy!
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  • riotgrlriotgrl LOUISVILLE Posts: 1,895
    Zoso wrote:
    I can't believe that people think they would feel safe working and dropping their kids off at a school that has got gun carrying adults lol.. what if a gun carrying teacher has a bad day, gets fired and decided to do his first criminal thing ever (i.e shooting up the school because he/she is angry, depressed etc).

    people believe guns should be at school??? that blows me away on so many levels.


    Exactly Have any of you worked at a school with an armed police officer patrolling the hallways? Because I have and it is a soul crushing experience to live like that day in and day out. No way in hell, I would ever allow my child to go to school in a place like that. School is supposed to be a nurturing environment that encourages kids to be their best and you want to introduce guns and fear and hope that those are the things that end the violence???
    Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?

    Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...

    I AM MINE
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,408
    riotgrl wrote:
    brianlux wrote:
    And one more time:

    Chemicals often cause cancer. Chemicals are often used to "cure" cancer. That's often how we fight cancer. You hit something that is bad for you with something that is bad for you and hope it works. What about preventing cancer in the first place?

    I hate making generalizations, but my experience is that people who love guns don't want solutions, they want guns.


    Prevention is the key! My head is spinning from all these suggestions but we are refusing to see the true cause of all these problems. I believe we should control guns but we need to examine mental health issues and health insurance in this country. But most importantly, we need to reexamine the fucked up modern society we live in and how it damages us.

    Well said, riotgrl.

    I will say, bad on me. So many of the gun proponents just can't rant and rave enough about guns, even in the close aftermath of tragedy. We should be talking about solutions but I fall for the debate. Bad on me. Bad.
    "Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!"
    -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"

    "Try to not spook the horse."
    -Neil Young













  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    people I come from a country that has ONE massacre and then bam guns were banned.... the crime rate didn't move but gun related murders went down so much.

    the idea that this happens and everyone thinks they will feel safer with more guns is a purely American power trip thing and it sickens me.
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    I love you forever and forever :)

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  • unsung wrote:

    and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?


    No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


    Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?
    why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

    isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

    well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    unsung wrote:

    and you dont find a law that requires you to hand in your weapons as just?


    No, I do not find it just. I'll do that just as soon as the police and the entire military does the same.


    Do you think it is just to turn 80M people into felons because a few cowards have done the things that they have?
    why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

    isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

    well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life


    dimi because it's not about feelikng safer with a gun or anything it's about oh the government will take my right to anything away including my gun.. it's a pure power trip and not wanting to surrender their property.. doesn't mattter that their gun's and other's are shooting up little kids... taking my rights away are more important then the saftey of kids here. and it makes me sooooo fucking mad.
    I'm just flying around the other side of the world to say I love you

    Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl

    I love you forever and forever :)

    Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
  • Zoso wrote:
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    why the 80 mil need to be felons?..they turn their guns and all are ok..

    isnt just to stop people be dead ??to have less murders?

    well,i prefer 80m to loose their guns,than one children loose its life


    dimi because it's not about feelikng safer with a gun or anything it's about oh the government will take my right to anything away including my gun.. it's a pure power trip and not wanting to surrender their property.. doesn't mattter that their gun's and other's are shooting up little kids... taking my rights away are more important then the saftey of kids here. and it makes me sooooo fucking mad.

    well,they can put their property in their asses,cos anywhere else isnt safe...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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