Anyone who thinks that a sitting President, regardless of that President's party affiliation, would not have addressed the nation as Obama did this afternoon is detached from reality.
and anyone who thinks someone shouldn't tear up seeing and reading the reports about this story is a either completely heartless or a raging (insert explative).
sad that not even 8 hours later some people have to make this story a political debate. those children and that town deserve better..a whole lot better.
Obama is ON it already. :fp: Obama Press Conference
[got this from Facebook. even faster than the TV. lol]
Is this sincere or just politicization ???
i can't tell with this guy. he is like the master actor cum presidente.
Tears.
I get that it is sad as fuck. but ???
i just dunno. Nothing he does strikes me as genuine anymore
and he should have just said NOTHING and done nothing
so he wouldnt fucking drag POLITICS in to this.
:(
Obama is ON it already. :fp: Obama Press Conference
[got this from Facebook. even faster than the TV. lol]
Is this sincere or just politicization ???
i can't tell with this guy. he is like the master actor cum presidente.
Tears.
I get that it is sad as fuck. but ???
i just dunno. Nothing he does strikes me as genuine anymore
and he should have just said NOTHING and done nothing
so he wouldnt fucking drag POLITICS in to this.
:(
He's got 2 children who he loves. Of course it's sincere. 20 children just got murdered in a school in the country he's the president of. That is a HUGE deal, and there is no reason (beside paranoia) to think he's not sincere.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This is an event that demands the POTUS to address the nation. He seemed very genuine.
why does it "demand" that, jason?
I know that you don't, but many people in this country find comfort in seeing the President address the nation. There's a comfort to know that the highest level of our leadership is offering up our full resources and to show that we, as Americans, stand together; from the individuals to the POTUS...we're all impacted.
this is absolutely horrific. what the fuck is wrong with people?
our culture is a bit to blame.....if it makes money, more than a few are willing to demean others and cheapen life in music, video games and movies....
If I had known then what I know now...
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I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...
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I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...
actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?
I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...
actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?
I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...
I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i get what you're saying Drifting ... i think it's gonna be hard for some to objectively hear what you are saying ... there's a lot of sadness but there is a lot of anger too right now ...
let's wait for the dust to settle to not only take hold of what happened and why but also how the POTUS acted ...
It blows my mind that people can buy guns in department and big box stores in America. Talk about normalizing deadly weaponry.
Guns made for war. Available everywhere.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
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Sad, terrible, tragic. Every time something like this happens it sends out a message but have we learned anything? Will we ever learn anything?
Very sad.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
I'll tell you, I've been diagnosed as bi-polar I and I would not sell someone with a mental disability like myself a gun. I would never hurt a fly, but to me that's just common sense.
I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...
actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?
I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...
I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.
i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".
I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.
Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.
After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.
So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).
Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.
If I was to smile and I held out my hand
If I opened it now would you not understand?
i get what you're saying Drifting ... i think it's gonna be hard for some to objectively hear what you are saying ... there's a lot of sadness but there is a lot of anger too right now ...
let's wait for the dust to settle to not only take hold of what happened and why but also how the POTUS acted ...
Yes, how dare he act like a normal person. :roll: Sorry, I just don't think there just isn't any fuel for that fire.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?
I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...
I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.
i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".
I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.
Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.
After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.
So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).
Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.
I don't necessarily take what any politician has to say about anything either... It's just that there is NOTHING here to pounce on. Nothing. Yet you are pouncing anyway. I don't get it.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".
I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.
Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.
After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.
So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).
Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.
any start should begin with the best understanding that we can get from studying the events of the last what 10 years? See if there are areas of similarity in the shooters lives? Perhaps begin to address thos eissues found if any?
My argument still stands, if there are constituional limits to speech then the same should apply to these kinds of weapons. Jump through more hoops if you MUST have these, but damn, the assualt rifle he had in his car is available cheaper at fucking walmart than a gun shop.
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I'm home sick today and just got up about an hour ago. I am heartbroken. Like Norm said, I don't have children but all of you who do, please hug them and let them know how precious they are.
The thought that these kids will never grow up, that they lost their lives in this way, is beyond my comprehension.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.[/quote]
That was a different world. We now have people buying guns made for war at Walmart in the name of the 2nd amendment. I don't think I want anyone with that kind of paranoia owning a weapon that can wipe an entire fucking room.
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Hope so. I really do.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Man we need to get together as a nation as one nation unified ....
why does it "demand" that, jason?
If I opened it now would you not understand?
and anyone who thinks someone shouldn't tear up seeing and reading the reports about this story is a either completely heartless or a raging (insert explative).
sad that not even 8 hours later some people have to make this story a political debate. those children and that town deserve better..a whole lot better.
because it is one of the 3 worse tragedies in america in the past 10-20 years. children...at school...[name-calling removed by Admin]
no this is an event that demands the POTUS do something.
I know that you don't, but many people in this country find comfort in seeing the President address the nation. There's a comfort to know that the highest level of our leadership is offering up our full resources and to show that we, as Americans, stand together; from the individuals to the POTUS...we're all impacted.
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this is absolutely horrific. what the fuck is wrong with people?
our culture is a bit to blame.....if it makes money, more than a few are willing to demean others and cheapen life in music, video games and movies....
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...
DUH.
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Fucking America.
actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?
I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...
If I opened it now would you not understand?
let's wait for the dust to settle to not only take hold of what happened and why but also how the POTUS acted ...
Guns made for war. Available everywhere.
The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.
Very sad.
wow...fucking disgusting.
I'll tell you, I've been diagnosed as bi-polar I and I would not sell someone with a mental disability like myself a gun. I would never hurt a fly, but to me that's just common sense.
http://www.reverbnation.com/brianzilm
i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".
I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.
Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.
After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.
So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).
Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."
what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.
What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.
If I opened it now would you not understand?
My argument still stands, if there are constituional limits to speech then the same should apply to these kinds of weapons. Jump through more hoops if you MUST have these, but damn, the assualt rifle he had in his car is available cheaper at fucking walmart than a gun shop.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The thought that these kids will never grow up, that they lost their lives in this way, is beyond my comprehension.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.[/quote]
That was a different world. We now have people buying guns made for war at Walmart in the name of the 2nd amendment. I don't think I want anyone with that kind of paranoia owning a weapon that can wipe an entire fucking room.
So fucking sad all around. Actually, the word "sad" doesn't even come close.
I'm not sure any words do, right now.