Another shooting at a school.

Wobbie

staying out of the above argument ^^^^^

this is absolutely horrific. what the fuck is wrong with people?

our culture is a bit to blame.....if it makes money, more than a few are willing to demean others and cheapen life in music, video games and movies....

mickeyrat

who will have the balls to post the onion article?

PJ_Soul

mickeyrat wrote:

who will have the balls to post the onion article?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fuck-e ... rts,30743/

JonnyPistachio

I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...

Hugh Freaking Dillon

it's the fucking president's job to address the nation during or after a tragedy.

DUH.

stickfig13

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bushmaster-M4 ... e/19235996

Fucking America.

DriftingByTheStorm

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...

actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?

I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...

PJ_Soul

stickfig13 wrote:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bushmaster-M4A3-.223-REM-16-Patrol-Carbine/19235996

Fucking America.

It blows my mind that people can buy guns in department and big box stores in America. Talk about normalizing deadly weaponry.

PJ_Soul

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...

actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?

I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...

I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.

polaris_x

i get what you're saying Drifting ... i think it's gonna be hard for some to objectively hear what you are saying ... there's a lot of sadness but there is a lot of anger too right now ...

let's wait for the dust to settle to not only take hold of what happened and why but also how the POTUS acted ...

stickfig13

PJ_Soul wrote:

stickfig13 wrote:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bushmaster-M4A3-.223-REM-16-Patrol-Carbine/19235996

Fucking America.

It blows my mind that people can buy guns in department and big box stores in America. Talk about normalizing deadly weaponry.

Guns made for war. Available everywhere.

The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.

brianlux

Sad, terrible, tragic. Every time something like this happens it sends out a message but have we learned anything? Will we ever learn anything?

Very sad.

ledvedderman

stickfig13 wrote:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Bushmaster-M4A3-.223-REM-16-Patrol-Carbine/19235996

Fucking America.

wow...fucking disgusting.

I'll tell you, I've been diagnosed as bi-polar I and I would not sell someone with a mental disability like myself a gun. I would never hurt a fly, but to me that's just common sense.

DriftingByTheStorm

PJ_Soul wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...

actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?

I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...

I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.

i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".

I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.

Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.

After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.

So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).

Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.

stickfig13 wrote:

The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.

What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.

PJ_Soul

polaris_x wrote:

i get what you're saying Drifting ... i think it's gonna be hard for some to objectively hear what you are saying ... there's a lot of sadness but there is a lot of anger too right now ...

let's wait for the dust to settle to not only take hold of what happened and why but also how the POTUS acted ...

Yes, how dare he act like a normal person. :roll: Sorry, I just don't think there just isn't any fuel for that fire.

PJ_Soul

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?

I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...

I do not understand your motivation in perusing this line of debate here. You're basically trying to take a shit on Obama making a statement about a national tragedy. That makes no sense to me.

i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".

I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.

Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.

After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.

So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).

Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.

stickfig13 wrote:

The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.

What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.

I don't necessarily take what any politician has to say about anything either... It's just that there is NOTHING here to pounce on. Nothing. Yet you are pouncing anyway. I don't get it.

mickeyrat

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

i'm pursuing this line of debate because i don't NECESSARILY take what ANY president says at face value, particularly one whose former chief of staff talks about "letting no good crisis go to waste".

I've gotten a bunch of "DUHS!" "You @#@#$" and blatant non-mental pure emotional hate spewed towards me ... and no one is even bothering to pause and consider what implications the president may be bringing up, albeit through a verbal back door.

Its the job of citizens of this country to not just be sad about national tragedies, but to use their brains too.

After 911, everyone was sad as fuck, and very few were thinking (the ones that WERE thinking were categorically called idiots, conspiracy theorists, and america haters) ... the ones that were purely emotional are the ones that ended up de facto allowing Bush to enter us in to a pure war of opportunity with a country that was in no way involved in the actual crime.

So, before people start running away with their emotions down the "we have to do this, we have to do that train" , sit back calm-and-collected for a moment and THINK. (instead of calling me a fuck).

Look at what the president said.
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

what do YOU think the implication there is?
Like i said, give me ANY thing that isn't 2nd amendment related, and maybe you can talk me down off my crazy-train.

stickfig13 wrote:

The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.

What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.

any start should begin with the best understanding that we can get from studying the events of the last what 10 years? See if there are areas of similarity in the shooters lives? Perhaps begin to address thos eissues found if any?

My argument still stands, if there are constituional limits to speech then the same should apply to these kinds of weapons. Jump through more hoops if you MUST have these, but damn, the assualt rifle he had in his car is available cheaper at fucking walmart than a gun shop.

Who Princess

I'm home sick today and just got up about an hour ago. I am heartbroken. Like Norm said, I don't have children but all of you who do, please hug them and let them know how precious they are.

The thought that these kids will never grow up, that they lost their lives in this way, is beyond my comprehension.

stickfig13

stickfig13 wrote:

The 2nd amendment never intended folks to have these. Last time I checked it was hard to rob someone at musket point.

What? The 2nd amendment intended for the citizens to have whatever weaponry they needed to STAND UP TO THE GOVERNMENT.
If you want to argue the obsolescence of that point, then fine. But this is just disingenuous.[/quote]


That was a different world. We now have people buying guns made for war at Walmart in the name of the 2nd amendment. I don't think I want anyone with that kind of paranoia owning a weapon that can wipe an entire fucking room.

hedonist

polaris_x wrote:

i think we need to let the dust settle ... today and this holiday season may just be about being appreciative of the time you have with loved ones ...

Much agreed, polaris. What a catalyst for that.

So fucking sad all around. Actually, the word "sad" doesn't even come close.

I'm not sure any words do, right now.