Another shooting at a school.

keeponrockin

Does anyone think that even with all the guns they could buy, that the government still couldn't take them over?

Couple Abram tanks and Stealth bombers would do the trick.

mickeyrat

keeponrockin wrote:

Does anyone think that even with all the guns they could buy, that the government still couldn't take them over?

Couple Abram tanks and Stealth bombers would do the trick.

what? No, been getting plenty of experience with drones , dont ya know.

dimitrispearljam

josevolution wrote:

Hug your kids

is the only need to be said today..

JonnyPistachio

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I thought Obama's words were appropriate, genuine, and didnt bring in politics.
Its just a sad, sad day in our nation, and its good to hear his words...

actually despite his trailing statement, "regardless of politics", this phrase IS political:
"we are going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent tragedies like this, regardless of the politics...."

What "meaningful action" do you think he is referring to?
i'm not being a dick. i'm just making an observation.
do you think he is talking about getting back to puritan morals,
installing metal detectors in every school in the country,
or do you think he is very obliquely suggesting federal regulations?
REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS that are SURE to crop up after such a suggestion?

I know i'm reading between lines here, but give me ANY alternative interpretation.
any alternative interpretation for MEANINGFUL action that will need to happen REGARDLESS OF THE POLITICS ... ie ... this action is going to STIR UP A BUNCH OF POLITICS ...

I see what you're getting at, but I guess I wasn't clear. His main objective wasn't political. I think they knew that we are all confused and maybe feeling like there are no answers for this kind of tragedy. It's becoming more common and it seems we're losing ground to unbalanced folks who snap and go on a killing spree. My point was that Obama seemed to say we've got a problem and we need to take a deeper look into it and stop fucking around. But he didn't reference healthcare, identifying mentally unstable people, or and gun legislation changes. His delivery was that of comfort and heartfelt sorrow for his fellow Americans. That's what I took from it.

dimitrispearljam

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/12 ... ghter?lite

the slideshow is....there is no fuckin words in this...

DS1119

So apparently, and these are just the early reports so they may or may not be correct, the guns the wacko used were taken from his mom who had legally purchased and registered them. Is it too soon to say she was irresponsible as a parent to not notice anything wrong with her child mentally before this happened and irresponsible as a gun owner to allow him to access these guns?

stardust1976

norm wrote:

i don't have children so could those of you that do, please give them a hug for me...this is all can think to do at this point

I'm in Australia - I got up this morning and saw posts on facebook and read reports on msn. I couldn't even get through the news article without bursting into tears. I had to leave the room because my 7 year old and 10 year old were sitting right next to me and I didn't want them to ask me why I was crying. I went into the bedroom and told my husband, and cried. I just kept saying "I don't understand." And I don't. I don't understand the horror and senselessness of it. I have four children, and after I calmed down and got ready for work, I hugged them very very tightly and told them I loved them very very much. I tell them everyday anyway, but today I just needed to hug them tighter.

I don't think I want to enter into the debate on gun control except to say that it works here - it was implemented after the Port Arthur massacre in the mid 90's. It was unpopular, but it works. People are getting progressively stupider and because of the actions of the minority, the majority must accept that they need gun regulations. The US has the highest amount of gun related deaths in the world. I'm sorry, but that is appalling.

That's all I will say on the matter for now. It's just too distressing to think about.

Cliffy6745

Aside from 9/11, this may be the most sickening thing that has happened in this country in my life. How the fuck can someone look at a classroom full of 5 year olds and put a fucking bullet in their head. A grown fucking man walks into a school and shoots fucking kindergarteners. Fucking 5 year olds.

This fucks body should be dumped on the side of the road

PJ_Soul

Sorry if this was already mentioned, and I am in support of changes to gun control laws, but just wanted to point out what is being highlighted in the news, which is that that big assault rifle was 1) in the guy's car so not used in this attack i am assuming, and 2) couldn't be legally purchased in CT anymore (the assumption being that if his mother owned it legally, it would have had to have been bought prior to stricter gun ownership laws in that state (1994 I think they said?).

brianlux

stardust1976 wrote:

norm wrote:

i don't have children so could those of you that do, please give them a hug for me...this is all can think to do at this point

I'm in Australia - I got up this morning and saw posts on facebook and read reports on msn. I couldn't even get through the news article without bursting into tears. I had to leave the room because my 7 year old and 10 year old were sitting right next to me and I didn't want them to ask me why I was crying. I went into the bedroom and told my husband, and cried. I just kept saying "I don't understand." And I don't. I don't understand the horror and senselessness of it. I have four children, and after I calmed down and got ready for work, I hugged them very very tightly and told them I loved them very very much. I tell them everyday anyway, but today I just needed to hug them tighter.

I don't think I want to enter into the debate on gun control except to say that it works here - it was implemented after the Port Arthur massacre in the mid 90's. It was unpopular, but it works. People are getting progressively stupider and because of the actions of the minority, the majority must accept that they need gun regulations. The US has the highest amount of gun related deaths in the world. I'm sorry, but that is appalling.

That's all I will say on the matter for now. It's just too distressing to think about.

I don't have children of my own but I have a bunch of extended family kids grand kids and I hope to see a few of them tomorrow and will give them big hugs. You're so right about the situation here in the US, Stardust. And it's not getting better here- as far as I can see. We have to change.

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Aside from 9/11, this may be the most sickening thing that has happened in this country in my life. How the fuck can someone look at a classroom full of 5 year olds and put a fucking bullet in their head. A grown fucking man walks into a school and shoots fucking kindergarteners. Fucking 5 year olds.

This fucks body should be dumped on the side of the road

It is sickening and it is fucked up, Cliffy, and even though it didn't happen to most of us the fact that this kind of thing happens at all not to mention over and over again is reason for us to be in tears and be upset and be angry and start making changes.

We're a sick and fucked up culture (and not the only one)- a culture of blood. History proves that out. We need a new history. We need a new start up and we need to change our cultural thinking. It wouldn't hurt if we looked to the natural world for a guide. Senseless killing rarely happens in other species. It's a human sickness.

Byrnzie

ComeToTX wrote:

Pretty sure not one writer of the Constitution would have said massacres of first-graders are the price we must pay to have a check on government power.

I have two kids under 5. Where the fuck can I sen them where they'll be safe? School? Nope! Movies? Nope. Fuck this shit.

I've voted for Obama twice now. He needs to do something about this. Now! Be a fucking leader, Mr. President.

Fuck the NRA!

Damn right.

dimitrispearljam

Byrnzie wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

Pretty sure not one writer of the Constitution would have said massacres of first-graders are the price we must pay to have a check on government power.

I have two kids under 5. Where the fuck can I sen them where they'll be safe? School? Nope! Movies? Nope. Fuck this shit.

I've voted for Obama twice now. He needs to do something about this. Now! Be a fucking leader, Mr. President.

Fuck the NRA!

Damn right.

+1

Byrnzie

keeponrockin wrote:

46 murders in Toronto this year (out of 2.6 million people)
Over 400 murders in Chicago this year (out of 2.7 million people)

Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a culture riddled with violence - from the death penalty, to waging countless foreign wars, e.t.c? And If you teach your citizens that violence is a solution, then when one of those citizens feels his back is against the wall, don't be surprised when shit goes down. Especially when you supply these same citizens with easy access to guns, including automatic weapons.

The again, I'm not American, so I don't know. Maybe the Americans on the board are better equipped to answer this.

Byrnzie

JC29856 wrote:

shocking since we live in the greatest country in the world!!

Are you sure about that?

dimitrispearljam

Byrnzie wrote:

keeponrockin wrote:

46 murders in Toronto this year (out of 2.6 million people)
Over 400 murders in Chicago this year (out of 2.7 million people)

Maybe it has something to do with the U.S being a culture riddled with violence - from the death penalty, to waging countless foreign wars, e.t.c? And If you teach your citizens that violence is a solution, then when one of those citizens feels his back is against the wall, don't be surprised when shit goes down. Especially when you supply these same citizens with easy access to guns, including automatic weapons.

The again, I'm not American, so I don't know. Maybe the Americans on the board are better equipped to answer this.

Even someone coming from Mars,and just use common sense will be very easy to understand that your opinion is correct..

Byrnzie

There's been a spate of attacks on children at schools in China over the past few years. Assholes with knives going into schools and attacking toddlers, e.t.c. It's a good job guns aren't widely available here as they are in the U.S.
China, a country that flaunts the fact it executes it's own citizens in the name of 'justice'. And then acts surprised when some prick decides to fulfill his own sense of justice. If any of the school attacks here had involved guns then we'd have seen about 5 Connecticut's here already.

redrock

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Aside from 9/11, this may be the most sickening thing that has happened in this country in my life. How the fuck can someone look at a classroom full of 5 year olds and put a fucking bullet in their head. A grown fucking man walks into a school and shoots fucking kindergarteners. Fucking 5 year olds.

This fucks body should be dumped on the side of the road

The focus will be on the shooter maybe being depressed, having other issues, anger management problems, personality disorder - whatever. That will explain it all...... :roll: Whilst, should it be confirmed he was mentally vulnerable, there is a lot more to 'explain' and take action on than this.

dimitrispearljam

redrock wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Aside from 9/11, this may be the most sickening thing that has happened in this country in my life. How the fuck can someone look at a classroom full of 5 year olds and put a fucking bullet in their head. A grown fucking man walks into a school and shoots fucking kindergarteners. Fucking 5 year olds.

This fucks body should be dumped on the side of the road

The focus will be on the shooter maybe being depressed, having other issues, anger management problems - whatever. That will explain it all...... :roll:

and thats even more Sad...

Newch91

PJ_Soul wrote:

Sorry if this was already mentioned, and I am in support of changes to gun control laws, but just wanted to point out what is being highlighted in the news, which is that that big assault rifle was 1) in the guy's car so not used in this attack i am assuming, and 2) couldn't be legally purchased in CT anymore (the assumption being that if his mother owned it legally, it would have had to have been bought prior to stricter gun ownership laws in that state (1994 I think they said?).

Here are our gun laws:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Connecticut

Newch91

From one of CT's radio stations:

A music teacher managed to save 15 children during Friday's shooting massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut by barricading them into a closet, while the gunman stood outside screaming 'Let me in! Let me in!' Maryrose Kristopik has been hailed a 'hero' by parents after herding the children to safety in a closet and barricading the door to prevent him from entering.