The church system is full of evil men

pandora

brianlux wrote:

pandora wrote:

brianlux wrote:

Q: How manyZen masters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

A: The plum tree in the garden!

How 'bout Wicca?

I believe that is an example of what Edward Abbey once described as "an indoor philosophy".

hmmm...
I read a book long ago ...
70's I think
Fire Mountain ... the cobwebs of my mind are getting in the way

brianlux

pandora wrote:

hmmm...
I read a book long ago ...
70's I think
Fire Mountain ... the cobwebs of my mind are getting in the way

Sorry to get off subject-- though Fire was good, I'd go with Fools Progress as E.A.'s best novel and maybe One Life at a Time, Please [which refers to "born again"- so not too far off topic] as a great essay collection.

pandora

brianlux wrote:

pandora wrote:

hmmm...
I read a book long ago ...
70's I think
Fire Mountain ... the cobwebs of my mind are getting in the way

Sorry to get off subject-- though Fire was good, I'd go with Fools Progress as E.A.'s best novel and maybe One Life at a Time, Please [which refers to "born again"- so not too far off topic] as a great essay collection.

awesome thanks! looking for a book for wintertime

Who Princess

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

redrock wrote:

Is celibacy the root of this issue though? If so, wouldn't they just have it off with random women and not young children?

I have read some literature that some people suggest this is the problem. I also wonder why someone would prey on a child of the same sex if all they want is hetero sex, but maybe because they are vulnerable and easier to keep quiet?

I read a very convincing article several years ago that talked about priests who are pedophiles. The author speculated that celibacy played a part in it but not the way most people might think. Pedophiles are people who are sexually immature. They would be attracted to a profession such as the priesthood where they would not be expected to marry and have an adult sexual relationship. That might be a reason why there is such a high incidence among Catholic priests.

But I used to wonder if it was something unique to Catholicism and a friend who is Methodist assured me that her denomination deals with it as well and that probably other religions do too. There it's more typical with youth ministers or pastors abusing vulnerable women.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Who Princess wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

redrock wrote:

Is celibacy the root of this issue though? If so, wouldn't they just have it off with random women and not young children?

I have read some literature that some people suggest this is the problem. I also wonder why someone would prey on a child of the same sex if all they want is hetero sex, but maybe because they are vulnerable and easier to keep quiet?

I read a very convincing article several years ago that talked about priests who are pedophiles. The author speculated that celibacy played a part in it but not the way most people might think. Pedophiles are people who are sexually immature. They would be attracted to a profession such as the priesthood where they would not be expected to marry and have an adult sexual relationship. That might be a reason why there is such a high incidence among Catholic priests.

But I used to wonder if it was something unique to Catholicism and a friend who is Methodist assured me that her denomination deals with it as well and that probably other religions do too. There it's more typical with youth ministers or pastors abusing vulnerable women.

wouldn't the high incidence in the catholic church easily be explained by it being the largest religion on earth? Or is it?

JimmyV

Christianity as a whole is the largest religion on Earth. Not sure the exact percentage of that which is Catholic but Catholicism on its own is not the largest religion on Earth. A big one though, no doubt.

pandora

The Baptists here are very active and really help the communities a lot.
I think they can not drink so I can not join

brianlux

JimmyV wrote:

Christianity as a whole is the largest religion on Earth. Not sure the exact percentage of that which is Catholic but Catholicism on its own is not the largest religion on Earth. A big one though, no doubt.

I thought Islam was but according to this, you are correct:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_reli ... _religions

PJ_Soul

I think the Catholic Church draws sexual deviants by virtue of its ridiculous dogma relating to celibacy. Pedophiles and the like join up in droves because they think their vows will help them to not be pedophiles or whatever. Unfortunately, they overestimate the power of their vows to God!

I think the Catholic Church draws assholes because that's how it ALWAYS is when an institution sets up a system of elitism and power rankings.

I think the Catholic Church is disgusting, frankly. I don't mean I think Catholics are. The Church itself, as a corporation and political body and organized hierarchy is disgusting (I also find the fact that they keep on just making up new rules very disturbing). It surprises me that Catholics don't take more issue with it, or follow it at all. Especially with the sex shit and the refusal to get with the times re birth control, etc.