The church system is full of evil men

Thoughts_Arrive

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-or ... 6516706466

And Cardinal George Pell is trying his best to sweep it all under the rug.

Johnny Aggro

It will all come out soon enough. It has done in my country. They tried, and TBH still try and blame the victims/system. But the bravery and determination of these victims of child rate/torture and abuse are slowly creating a revolution.

One story stays with me. And it was an interview of a high profile victims advocate telling a story of when she was incarcerated in a school for children whose parents for one reason or another couldn't look after them. Terrible abuse by both clergy and state employees alike was common. Anyway she was coming out of the dining hall after dinner and a girl about 4 years old came in the front door accompanied by one of the staff and holding a teddy. She was bubbly and happy like she was going on an adventure.

they saw the same girl 5 days later in the corner of the dorm semi-naked covered in her own filth silently rocking back and forth completely broken.

It is important that everyone in your society drops the taboos of not speaking about this. Its my sharing stories like this that the perpetrators are brought to justice


J


PS I believe in God but need no institution to talk to him

pandora

So sad ...
evil is everywhere

Yes, God is there to blame

aerial

Anyone remember Satan/the Devil? crazy how everything good is bad and bad is good today. Satan is responsible for this not God. These people that sexually abuse children need to get the Death Penalty. I think that would help solve the problem......

BinFrog

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

pandora

An evil thing is to disregard all the good found in religion, in the individual people
that make up the churches. That is to allow the evil actions of some to erase the good hearts.
We can never give evil that much power.

aerial

BinFrog wrote:

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

I agree with no more tax breaks....but not your skewed outlook concerning God....

Luke 20:25. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Romans 13:7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

BinFrog

aerial wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

I agree with no more tax breaks....but not your skewed outlook concerning God....

Luke 20:25. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Romans 13:7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

At no point did I reference god (except as part of the "for the love of god" slang).

aerial

BinFrog wrote:

aerial wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

I agree with no more tax breaks....but not your skewed outlook concerning God....

Luke 20:25. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."

Romans 13:7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

At no point did I reference god (except as part of the "for the love of god" slang).

Sorry, maybe I miss understood you cult statement. Are you saying people that believe in God and get together to praise him and learn are cults?

BinFrog

aerial wrote:

Sorry, maybe I miss understood you cult statement. Are you saying people that believe in God and get together to praise him and learn are cults?

No, that is not what I said.

But....I am not going down this path with you. I can tell you and I have polar opposite views, and I'm not interested in a religious/theistic debate with you.

polaris_x

also ... consider the following:

* the level of cover ups in these cases everywhere involving high ranking members of the catholic church including the current pope
* the time it has taken for these cases to be brought to light
* that most sexual assault cases do not get reported
* the level of trauma and ptsd that these assaults cause ... resulting in suicides and substance abuse
* that many victims that have currently been reported have very little supportive infrastructure during the time of their abuse

and what that should lead you to believe is that there are exponentially more cases that have not been exposed than have ...

the catholic church should be abolished ... all assets seized ... a truth and reconciliation inquiry made ... and all victims of this abuse should be compensated with the money garnered from their assets ...

hedonist

BinFrog wrote:

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

Well, I agree with your last sentence.

But I'm sorry, do you think Judaism is a cult too? Someone should've alerted my father, his parents, and his extended family about that in the 30s and 40s...would've saved a shitload of lives had they not been part of that...CULT.

aerial

BinFrog wrote:

aerial wrote:

Sorry, maybe I miss understood you cult statement. Are you saying people that believe in God and get together to praise him and learn are cults?

No, that is not what I said.

But....I am not going down this path with you. I can tell you and I have polar opposite views, and I'm not interested in a religious/theistic debate with you.

That cool with me....

Zoso

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/accused-former-priest-blamed-god-for-making-him-sexually-abuse-boys-court-told/story-fnat79vb-1226516706466

And Cardinal George Pell is trying his best to sweep it all under the rug.

Pell is a stain on Australia

aerial

polaris_x wrote:

also ... consider the following:

* the level of cover ups in these cases everywhere involving high ranking members of the catholic church including the current pope
* the time it has taken for these cases to be brought to light
* that most sexual assault cases do not get reported
* the level of trauma and ptsd that these assaults cause ... resulting in suicides and substance abuse
* that many victims that have currently been reported have very little supportive infrastructure during the time of their abuse

and what that should lead you to believe is that there are exponentially more cases that have not been exposed than have ...

the catholic church should be abolished ... all assets seized ... a truth and reconciliation inquiry made ... and all victims of this abuse should be compensated with the money garnered from their assets ...

Not every Catholic is a child molester....
Do you think men that sexually abuse boys are gay? are all Gays child molesters?...are all teachers child molesters? this could go on and on?

Death penalty for Child molesters! Money will not help the trauma victims go through...

polaris_x

aerial wrote:

Not every Catholic is a child molester....
Do you think men that sexually abuse boys are gay? are all Gays child molesters?...are all teachers child molesters? this could go on and on?

Death penalty for Child molesters! Money will not help the trauma victims go through...

you miss the point ...

the catholic church is responsible for the abuse ... this isn't an isolated incident involving one or two priests ... the reality is that when faced with the awful truth of what was being done under the power given these priests - the catholic church chose to cover it up and allow it to continue ... the organization known as the catholic church is directly responsible to the suffering these victims endured ...

were all nazis evil men!? ... not likely but we hold the third reich responsible for the war crimes committed ... you're right tho ... the list goes on ... japan, the US, etc ...

accountability - i would have thought you were all for it ...

BinFrog

hedonist wrote:

BinFrog wrote:

Water is wet.

It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.

Well, I agree with your last sentence.

But I'm sorry, do you think Judaism is a cult too? Someone should've alerted my father, his parents, and his extended family about that in the 30s and 40s...would've saved a shitload of lives had they not been part of that...CULT.

I am Jewish by ancestry. Many relatives of mine were lost in the atrocities seen in Germany/etc in the 30's and 40's. I'm not downplaying that, AT ALL.

I'm not singling out Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, or any other religions. Organized religion, to me (and many others) is a major problem. I have 100% distanced myself from Judaism as a religion, without losing any sense of historical identity.

Zoso

aerial wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

also ... consider the following:

* the level of cover ups in these cases everywhere involving high ranking members of the catholic church including the current pope
* the time it has taken for these cases to be brought to light
* that most sexual assault cases do not get reported
* the level of trauma and ptsd that these assaults cause ... resulting in suicides and substance abuse
* that many victims that have currently been reported have very little supportive infrastructure during the time of their abuse

and what that should lead you to believe is that there are exponentially more cases that have not been exposed than have ...

the catholic church should be abolished ... all assets seized ... a truth and reconciliation inquiry made ... and all victims of this abuse should be compensated with the money garnered from their assets ...

Not every Catholic is a child molester....
Do you think men that sexually abuse boys are gay? are all Gays child molesters?...are all teachers child molesters? this could go on and on?

Death penalty for Child molesters! Money will not help the trauma victims go through...

this is true but the level of cover up's in the chuches etc is beyond ridiculous.. obviously all gay people aren't molestrors and no one saud that.. the point is the process is fucked up.. a lot of the time they get away with it because of their church. it's wrong.

81

it's a cess pool

shut it down.

keeponrockin

polaris_x wrote:

aerial wrote:

Not every Catholic is a child molester....
Do you think men that sexually abuse boys are gay? are all Gays child molesters?...are all teachers child molesters? this could go on and on?

Death penalty for Child molesters! Money will not help the trauma victims go through...

you miss the point ...

the catholic church is responsible for the abuse ... this isn't an isolated incident involving one or two priests ... the reality is that when faced with the awful truth of what was being done under the power given these priests - the catholic church chose to cover it up and allow it to continue ... the organization known as the catholic church is directly responsible to the suffering these victims endured ...

were all nazis evil men!? ... not likely but we hold the third reich responsible for the war crimes committed ... you're right tho ... the list goes on ... japan, the US, etc ...

accountability - i would have thought you were all for it ...

This.

pandora

The level of coverup in the Boy Scouts too ...
and now they lose support because they will not allow openly gay men
to be scout leaders.

Change has and is coming to speak to all this but to abolish is certainly not the answer.
Common sense please.