The church system is full of evil men
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-or ... 6516706466
And Cardinal George Pell is trying his best to sweep it all under the rug.
And Cardinal George Pell is trying his best to sweep it all under the rug.
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One story stays with me. And it was an interview of a high profile victims advocate telling a story of when she was incarcerated in a school for children whose parents for one reason or another couldn't look after them. Terrible abuse by both clergy and state employees alike was common. Anyway she was coming out of the dining hall after dinner and a girl about 4 years old came in the front door accompanied by one of the staff and holding a teddy. She was bubbly and happy like she was going on an adventure.
they saw the same girl 5 days later in the corner of the dorm semi-naked covered in her own filth silently rocking back and forth completely broken.
It is important that everyone in your society drops the taboos of not speaking about this. Its my sharing stories like this that the perpetrators are brought to justice
J
PS I believe in God but need no institution to talk to him
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evil is everywhere
Yes, God is there to blame
It will be a great day when organized religion is seen, and treated, as a cult. One can only hope. No more holy men allowed to act freely according to their own perverted thoughts, no more abuse, and for the love of god no more tax breaks.
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that make up the churches. That is to allow the evil actions of some to erase the good hearts.
We can never give evil that much power.
I agree with no more tax breaks....but not your skewed outlook concerning God....
Luke 20:25. He said to them, "Then give to Caesar what is Caesar's, and to God what is God's."
Romans 13:7 Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
At no point did I reference god (except as part of the "for the love of god" slang).
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Sorry, maybe I miss understood you cult statement. Are you saying people that believe in God and get together to praise him and learn are cults?
No, that is not what I said.
But....I am not going down this path with you. I can tell you and I have polar opposite views, and I'm not interested in a religious/theistic debate with you.
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* the level of cover ups in these cases everywhere involving high ranking members of the catholic church including the current pope
* the time it has taken for these cases to be brought to light
* that most sexual assault cases do not get reported
* the level of trauma and ptsd that these assaults cause ... resulting in suicides and substance abuse
* that many victims that have currently been reported have very little supportive infrastructure during the time of their abuse
and what that should lead you to believe is that there are exponentially more cases that have not been exposed than have ...
the catholic church should be abolished ... all assets seized ... a truth and reconciliation inquiry made ... and all victims of this abuse should be compensated with the money garnered from their assets ...
But I'm sorry, do you think Judaism is a cult too? Someone should've alerted my father, his parents, and his extended family about that in the 30s and 40s...would've saved a shitload of lives had they not been part of that...CULT.
That cool with me....
Pell is a stain on Australia
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Not every Catholic is a child molester....
Do you think men that sexually abuse boys are gay? are all Gays child molesters?...are all teachers child molesters? this could go on and on?
Death penalty for Child molesters! Money will not help the trauma victims go through...
you miss the point ...
the catholic church is responsible for the abuse ... this isn't an isolated incident involving one or two priests ... the reality is that when faced with the awful truth of what was being done under the power given these priests - the catholic church chose to cover it up and allow it to continue ... the organization known as the catholic church is directly responsible to the suffering these victims endured ...
were all nazis evil men!? ... not likely but we hold the third reich responsible for the war crimes committed ... you're right tho ... the list goes on ... japan, the US, etc ...
accountability - i would have thought you were all for it ...
I am Jewish by ancestry. Many relatives of mine were lost in the atrocities seen in Germany/etc in the 30's and 40's. I'm not downplaying that, AT ALL.
I'm not singling out Judaism, Catholicism, Islam, or any other religions. Organized religion, to me (and many others) is a major problem. I have 100% distanced myself from Judaism as a religion, without losing any sense of historical identity.
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this is true but the level of cover up's in the chuches etc is beyond ridiculous.. obviously all gay people aren't molestrors and no one saud that.. the point is the process is fucked up.. a lot of the time they get away with it because of their church. it's wrong.
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shut it down.
and now they lose support because they will not allow openly gay men
to be scout leaders.
Change has and is coming to speak to all this but to abolish is certainly not the answer.
Common sense please.
We're not so dissimilar on that front...but don't you think the problem lies with those who abuse religion, manipulate it, go to extremes? -- rather than the tenets of the religion itself.
It's like that old adage - "the love of money is the root of all evil"...money itself isn't evil, it's those who idolize it and skew its purpose. That's kinda how I see religion.
My problem is with organized religion, not religion or religious principles.
I have no problem if people want to use religious principles as a moral guide (I do however have issue with those who use religion as a crutch...). Religion itself is not for me, but I don't have issues with people who include religion in their lives.
I agree with aspects of religion that should be and/or are just common sense. For example, the ten commandments. I don't need a religion to tell me to follow them. It's just called being a decent human being.
I just have a hard time with these man made ideas/stories/folklore essentially dominating our cultural landscape for several thousand years. The big religions came about in a much different time. The major religions were, unfortunately, brought into being by those in power as a way to keep those without power completely docile. These were entirely uneducated folks with little reason to doubt what was being force fed to them. "Do as your told. Be humble. Don't rise up. Be a part of the herd. Why? Because I am a 'holy man' who has direct access to god. This is how you get into heaven. Trust me, I know. Now, back to my castle." I am just astonished that they have held on as long as they have. Society has progressed so far, completely severing ties with what it used to be in any way, shape or form...and yet these religions still have a grip on billions of people. It makes me sad that we haven't moved on as a society.
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What makes you think the billions are wrong and you are right?
As to the crutch...well, people rely on them sometimes. I know many who've found strength in it, and the will to get through some fucked up and unimaginable times. To them, I say good on ya - whatever gets you through the night, without waking up the neighbors
I don't believe it's about wrong or right; what works for one won't work for another, and it's no one's place - to me, anyhow - no matter how for/against/in-between one is about organized religion - to give anyone a hard time on their stance.
(This of course omits extremists, pedophiles, and the like.)
We're not that different. To each their own, and whatever gets you through the night is alright by me. Amen.
I would never tell anyone to not be religious. To me religion is just silly, but I acknowledge that my opinion is MY opinion only.
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And I'll say that it sure was nice to have a rational discussion with someone on a topic that at times has the capacity to turn so...irrational. Thanks
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/b ... 6515511826
A CATHOLIC brother charged with molesting two young boys at a Sydney school has chosen not to appear in court.
He is one of two teachers charged with assaulting students in the 1980s at a Catholic college and Catholic primary school in the city's west.
Martin Harmata, 59, remained in the holding cells of Wyong Local Court, on the NSW Central Coast, when his matter was briefly mentioned on Tuesday.
Court documents list his address as the school but he was arrested on Monday at a property at The Entrance.
Police charged him with six historical offences relating to two boys who were aged 13 at the time.
The charges include the indecent assault of a person under his authority and committing an indecent act towards a person under his authority.
Harmata allegedly rubbed one boy on the upper thigh and also made the boy touch his penis.
Police also charged him with masturbating in front of the other boy and getting the boy to masturbate Harmata.
He did not apply for bail, which was formally refused, but is expected to apply on Wednesday when he appears before the same court via audio-visual link.
Another former teacher, a 58-year-old man arrested at a Blacktown property on Monday, has been charged with offences relating to one of the boys and an eight-year-old girl.
Police say the charges include sexual assault, indecent assault, committing an indecent act.
He has been granted strict conditional bail and will appear at Blacktown Local Court on December 13.
Sex Crimes Squad commander Detective Acting Superintendent Michael Haddow said there was no evidence to suggest the men were part of a pedophile ring.
"It will be alleged that a number of those incidents occurred on the school grounds at those particular schools," Det Act Supt Michael Haddow said.
He said police alleged that the Harmata worked full-time at the primary school and the teacher was a relief teacher.
"One of those teachers was working as a relief teacher at the college and was also at some time working as a relief teacher at the primary school," he said.
Police would allege that separate offences took place at separate times, although both men have been charged in relation to the same 13-year-old boy.
"The allegations ... relate to separate assaults at different times," he said.
"The evidence before us at the moment is not ... that there is an actual pedophile ring, or was a pedophile ring, at that school.
"There's no allegations in relation to these two offenders committed sex assaults together."
So this piece of Shit was my Year 7( I don't what year in US this is I was 13) Religion and Maths teacher. I think back now at realise what a creepy guy he was but as I was never subjected to anything you don't think about it at the time.
The kids used to call him Brother Minty because sometimes when he shook your hand he would have a Minty in it for you.
When it comes to the kids molested this will be the tip of the ice berg. Hopefully thanks to these very brave people who have come forward and have actually had charges laid successfully aganist him more will have the courage to speak up and ensure this guy and his associates(I gaurantee you there will be more) get what they deserve.
As for the big churches... I don't see them as being any different than a business. If the CEO of Monsanto tries to cover up criminal behaviour by one of his managers... he needs to be held accountable to the laws of the land where the victims reside... no more of this 'Living By God's Law' to shelter them from justice. My guess... God does not protect child molestors. If He does... He does not deserve our faith, right?
Hail, Hail!!!
earth is full of mentally ill men/women. some of them happen to be involved in organized religion.
I'll never understand why people equate the church with evil. it's some of the people in the church that deserve that label, not the church itself.
that's the same as painting all Muslims with the terrorist brush.
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I totallty agree... I believe that all religions.. in an of themselves, are good.. or at least, have good intentions.
But, i also believe It is the CHURCH that sits atop the religion that is corruptable. Because the church is owned and operated by Man, who is completely flawed. Men will do what it takes to protect the Church... because the Church is a livlihood to the Men who sit at its highest point.
The Church is capable of spreading it's corruption to the people.. who will sit in the pews and defend the pedophile because an attack on him is an attack on the church and an attack on themselves. Similar to the was Penn State students and alumni rallied around Sandusky and Paterno.. and continue to support and defend them today... despite all of the truths and facts set before them. It is an institution.
Hail, Hail!!!