Man, sparks fly when religion comes into the pic. When I first came on here, I was forwarned about trolls. I envisioned someone who intentionally baits, however, after reading this entire thread, maybe I was mistaken. Do trolls refer to anyone who might go into a "troll mode" but otherwise be a decent person?
This thread began about the evils that lurk behind totalitarian religions. Then, it could be said is was more specific; totalitarian catholicism. Then even, it could be said is was about how religion skews personal bonds. But now, it's turned ugly, there is a pitting against one, and if that's how it goes in the world of
trolls—I say this thread needs to die.
It is my humble opinion that: anyone who makes it thru childhood experiencing only religion delivering unto them rapture—not perversions, physical or mental, are damn lucky. My compassion goes to all who don't.
And as for Pandora, her intention was obvious: when you can, choose paths lightened by positives rather than darkened by negatives—(a dogma that's been around much longer than catholicism). I'd say her offering most likely came from how she herself found her center and was merely, from a compassionate stance, attempting to offer the same.
Yuk, I'm going to another thread. This one doesn't work for me.
I've read this thread as well. A little late to the dance... I'll abstain from making any comments, but I'm really curious as to why you might think it is your place to swoop in after contributing nothing to it, exclaim 'death to this thread' and- at the same time- dismiss some for being 'trolls'.
For that matter... exactly who are you referring to as exhibiting 'troll-like' behaviour? You've excused and promoted Pandora... so we are left to assume those in opposition are those you speak of? Is this not a form of baiting itself?
And as for Pandora, her intention was obvious: when you can, choose paths lightened by positives rather than darkened by negatives—(a dogma that's been around much longer than catholicism). I'd say her offering most likely came from how she herself found her center and was merely, from a compassionate stance, attempting to offer the same.
you're new. you'll learn soon enough.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
My apologies. I did react. I saw a pouncing going on but then I had remembered something about trolls and considered the possiblity. In haste, I posted two thoughts when I should have queried first.
My apologies. I did react. I saw a pouncing going on but then I had remembered something about trolls and considered the possiblity. In haste, I posted two thoughts when I should have queried first.
Don't be too tough on yourself. It's obvious you've got a big heart. This hasn't been lost on anyone.
My apologies. I did react. I saw a pouncing going on but then I had remembered something about trolls and considered the possiblity. In haste, I posted two thoughts when I should have queried first.
Are you calling me a troll?
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
There are evils in society no matter what flag you fly. I guess we should shut down the entire educational system because of the few freaks that choose to abuse their power over students and the ones who choose to cover it up. The Boys Clubs too. Girls Clubs. Boy Scouts...Girl Scouts.
I'd like to second this. I'm sorry for the difficulty you are going through with your family and the pain it has caused you. I hope you can draw on some of the support you have here to get you through.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
It's clear from situations like this and the countless other horrors we've heard that there are some evil men in the church system. Religion itself is not evil in my opinion, but there are people who use it as a tool to control, hurt, abuse and oppress others. There are some evil men who found that they could easily garner the trust of others by entering the church, and then abuse that trust to commit heinous acts of abuse. And the church was complicit in creating a culture that tolerated and supported that. I wouldn't blame religion for this anymore than I would blame football for the abuses Sandusky committed. There was also a culture at Penn State and within the sports culture that contributed to what happened there; Sandusky was able to exploit the trust that was placed on him because of his position, just as some of these priests have done. The whole culture of these systems that allow these types of atrocities to happen has to be held accountable. It sickens me that people deliberately place themselves of positions of power and trust because they know it will give them easy access to victimize and abuse. That makes it all the more horrifying.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm suggesting you break this pattern of abuse in your family
with understanding and forgiveness.
Not even knowing your mama and sister I understand why they feel this way.
Your sister misses you being by her side, she needs her brother
and your mother, being deeply religious, fears for your afterlife.
Is it so much to ask to support the women who love you?
In doing so your heart will be healed and your women rewarded,
in turn so shall you.
It's not about the church or believing it is about love, support,
loyalty for your blood kin.
You will not have them forever nor they you.
Or you can remain with what makes you happiest
disregard their needs or what brings happiness to them,
your choice.
What the hell did I just read. I am shocked at your post and very disappointed that you are painting me out to be a selfish person in all this. I thought you were a nice person going by your PM's to me.
My sister misses me by her side? What the hell, she couldn't care less, we don't see eye to eye on many things.
Support the women who love me? Support them how and why?
Your last paragraph really ticks me off, disregard their needs?
What about what brings happiness to me?
What kind of person are you to say such things.
So I cannot live my life how I want, instead I must ''support'' my mum and sister and disregard my needs for theirs?
Unbelievable.
I care about you and have enjoyed our conversations and above all else
I want the very best for you young man. I have read your posts, related to them,
felt repair can be made in your life as you move into the next decade ... #3.
As you know my son is the same age and you share more in common than just that.
My heart is with you. I'm sorry you don't like the tough words of a Mom.
It is what I have for you but know it comes from loving place.
We are experiencing the same in our family, I have told my children,
people do not and will not always see eye to eye
but the challenge is there to still love. Blood is thicker than water.
Choices made we will not always condone nor want for ourselves
but we can try to understand our loved ones and yes put their needs
before ours.
If all did this happy comforting families we would have.
I have said how and why to support your Mama and sis ... with love and for love.
Do you want to be truly happy? The kind of happy that lasts a lifetime
and leaves with you to where you go next?
Not instant gratification but happiness that comes from sacrifice, unselfishness
and putting someone else before your own needs.
If you do listen to me if not write me off. Choices is what we have been given to make.
You stand at a fork in the road.
But there is no need to be selfish in this case. Beliefs values are not compromised to accompany
a loved one to church. Simply explain that you do it for the love of them.
In some cases families can begin hurting each other and disappointing each other,
it escalates. Love begins to leave. Walls go up. Alienation.
This why I suggested pleasing and mending. A positive approach.
Lord knows hurting is not the answer, moving towards bonding is the answer.
Wow. Calling me selfish?
In my previous post I mentioned that you are painting me out to be a selfish person.
Well now that I have seen the above post you made later it confirms that.
Please do not PM me again.
It is people like you that cause my depression to get worse and for me to want to kill myself.
People like you that make me feel all guilty and dirty for being who I am.
How dare you.
I am in my 5th decade and come with windows to the past.
Selfishness is a human trait we all have. My opinion it is part of self preservation.
In the 2nd decade of life it is often at its height. Perhaps I should have explained this
earlier as you are not alone and perhaps would not take selfish as an insult.
I hoped through sharing my personal bits with you by pm more understanding from you
would be present for me. Trust perhaps. That is a lot to expect I know.
Having been through depression myself and with many others close to me,
having attempted suicide and come back from that dark place,
you can trust me that I have your best interests at heart.
I want only happiness for you.
Man, sparks fly when religion comes into the pic. When I first came on here, I was forwarned about trolls. I envisioned someone who intentionally baits, however, after reading this entire thread, maybe I was mistaken. Do trolls refer to anyone who might go into a "troll mode" but otherwise be a decent person?
This thread began about the evils that lurk behind totalitarian religions. Then, it could be said is was more specific; totalitarian catholicism. Then even, it could be said is was about how religion skews personal bonds. But now, it's turned ugly, there is a pitting against one, and if that's how it goes in the world of
trolls—I say this thread needs to die.
It is my humble opinion that: anyone who makes it thru childhood experiencing only religion delivering unto them rapture—not perversions, physical or mental, are damn lucky. My compassion goes to all who don't.
And as for Pandora, her intention was obvious: when you can, choose paths lightened by positives rather than darkened by negatives—(a dogma that's been around much longer than catholicism). I'd say her offering most likely came from how she herself found her center and was merely, from a compassionate stance, attempting to offer the same.
Yuk, I'm going to another thread. This one doesn't work for me.
It's unfortunate your family feels that way, but this situation is not your problem... it's theirs. A family is supposed to love each other unconditionally. For example, if my son became a mass murderer... I would love him regardless. As the rest of the world might (understandably) despise him... my love for him would remain intact. In fact... it would probably grow knowing he would need more of it as he dealt with the aftermath of his crime. Don't get me wrong... I would abhor the crime, but the love for my son would not diminish in the slightest.
Simply put... your family needs to come to terms with your situation. Your branching out and away is not uncommon and hardly damaging or evil. The demand to conform is ridiculous. The shaming tactics are shallow. And, the friendly advice to accomodate is really poor advice.
Speaking from my experience, the only thing I could say to you is to resist the urge to debate the legitimacy of religion with family members when you might find yourself defensive. In other words, model the way in which family members are supposed to treat each other.
For those who feel no compromise is needed, forgiveness or generosity
I say this why we have record numbers of divorce, young people unwilling to commit,
and dysfunctional broken families.
Give in a little bit you'd be surprised who's meeting you halfway.
Action reaction positive motion forward and beyond...
To thoughts_arrive; No, I did not pay much attention to who said what so I was not being specific. Again, I should have considered better what I had implied. For you, I only have compassion. I am sorry.
For those who feel no compromise is needed, forgiveness or generosity
I say this why we have record numbers of divorce, young people unwilling to commit,
and dysfunctional broken families.
Give in a little bit you'd be surprised who's meeting you halfway.
Action reaction positive motion forward and beyond...
key word here ... beyond
haven't you done enough damage already? please stop.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
For those who feel no compromise is needed, forgiveness or generosity
I say this why we have record numbers of divorce, young people unwilling to commit,
and dysfunctional broken families.
Give in a little bit you'd be surprised who's meeting you halfway.
Action reaction positive motion forward and beyond...
key word here ... beyond
haven't you done enough damage already? please stop.
This is a very positive thought though I realize you have trouble with that sometimes
when I post them.
Giving in feels good do you not think? Or do you not do?
Because I look positively on religion and church I pursue writing that are positively motivated
towards the good that comes from them and spirituality.
This one of my favorite interviews from one of my all life favorite musicians.
WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT: Over the course of your career, your spiritual beliefs have changed and evolved, and yet spirituality continues to be the foundation of your life. You have said that “everyone has divine qualities to be able to heal and transform. . . . Once you believe, the rest will follow.” What constitutes the essence of your own beliefs today?
CARLOS SANTANA: Your intention, motives, and purpose really define who you are. It's not whether you're Santana or Smith or Jones, or whether you're Mexican or Hebrew or Catholic or Buddhist. I don't think God and the angels see any of that stuff. They just see your intention, your motives, and your purpose. And once those three are crystallized and sharpened and are tuned into something, things open up for you—supreme synchronicity and blessings, opportunities, possibilities. Everyone is destined to prosperity, to progress, and the keys that humans need to find are intention, motives, and purpose, because that is who you really, really are. I'm surprised they don't teach those three things in school. That's the gasoline that you need to take you to the next destination, not all the other stuff. The other stuff is just dust. But for me, what I'm learning more and more is that those three things—intention, motives, and purpose—really define who you are.
haven't you done enough damage already? please stop.
This is a very positive thought though I realize you have trouble with that sometimes
when I post them.
Giving in feels good do you not think? Or do you not do?
you may think this is a positive thought, but in this context, it is not. you are so clouded by your own ego and self centered personality that you aren't even listening to the person you are trying to "help". he has basically told you where to go, and you still keep on blathering.
how dense does one have to be? now shut you damn mouth.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
haven't you done enough damage already? please stop.
This is a very positive thought though I realize you have trouble with that sometimes
when I post them.
Giving in feels good do you not think? Or do you not do?
you may think this is a positive thought, but in this context, it is not. you are so clouded by your own ego and self centered personality that you aren't even listening to the person you are trying to "help". he has basically told you where to go, and you still keep on blathering.
how dense does one have to be? now shut you damn mouth.
I posted 3 posts to the OP since he was receiving advice from you and others. They were all to him and no one else and answered what he asked of me.
The following post that you quote is not directed to him but is in general to the world.
Which is quite clear.
How many posts are you directing at me? How many do you always post?
How often must I tell you this? How often must the mods?
How bout you stop that please? you've spotted me out enough
you follow me everywhere and speak badly about me which is against guidelines.
So really who needs to be quiet again? please follow your own advice.
Ignore...
Go back on topic as I have in my previous post this show is done...
The following post that you quote is not directed to him but is in general to the world.
Which is quite clear.
How many posts are you directing at me? How many do you always post?
How often must I tell you this? How often must the mods?
How bout you stop that please? you've spotted me out enough
you follow me everywhere and speak badly about me which is against guidelines.
So really who needs to be quiet again? please follow your own advice.
Ignore...
Go back on topic as I have in my previous post this show is done...
I follow you nowhere. your post count shows that you are fucking everywhere, like a disease. I ignore you as much as I can, but I have to call you out when I think you are being wrong towards someone else who doesn't deserve your evil.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
one does NOT have to attend church with family to support that family in their beliefs. if ones family is abusive towards one because they choose to worship God in their own way, which is prefectly valid, given the widespread issues people have with the church as institution, then i say i love you but i cant sit by your side in church and if you cant respect where im coming from then im sorry but theres nothing else i can say. its simple, not disrepectful. as a mother, almost completeing her 3rd decade as one, i would never berate or guilt my chidren into doing what i wished that went against their principles. i was raised better than that and my children were raised better than that to agree with such moves.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
one does NOT have to attend church with family to support that family in their beliefs. if ones family is abusive towards one because they choose to worship God in their own way, which is prefectly valid, given the widespread issues people have with the church as institution, then i say i love you but i cant sit by your side in church and if you cant respect where im coming from then im sorry but theres nothing else i can say. its simple, not disrepectful. as a mother, almost completeing her 3rd decade as one, i would never berate or guilt my chidren into doing what i wished that went against their principles. i was raised better than that and my children were raised better than that to agree with such moves.
one does NOT have to attend church with family to support that family in their beliefs. if ones family is abusive towards one because they choose to worship God in their own way, which is prefectly valid, given the widespread issues people have with the church as institution, then i say i love you but i cant sit by your side in church and if you cant respect where im coming from then im sorry but theres nothing else i can say. its simple, not disrepectful. as a mother, almost completeing her 3rd decade as one, i would never berate or guilt my chidren into doing what i wished that went against their principles. i was raised better than that and my children were raised better than that to agree with such moves.
well stated, cate
well the way i see it, we are guides for our children, not dictators to demand or even expect acquiescence on issues of personal principle. there are very few things in this world we can absolutely call our own.. our faith is one of those things. would i be devastated if one of my children revealed a belief in God/s? yes i would. would i belittle them and guilt them into my way of thinking? no... but i would continue to love them and respect them.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Pandora I am not even bothering to read your posts here anymore.
Your posts just get more and more condescending and offensive.
As if you really want the best for me with your tough mother advice.
Please do not bother wasting your time and others time with your babble.
I am still astonished and disappointed that you called me a selfish person and astonished you believe one must give up what he/she believes in to cater to others. And please do not discuss my depression on here.
I am not even bothering with your post in my other thread in AET, if you want to support me and claim to care then stop labeling me a selfish person and laying the blame on me.
And I would appreciate it if you do not talk about my mother and sister like you know them and know what they feel or what they want, it is a bit weird the way you typed about them to be honest.
P.S. I don't you calling me ''young man''. Me being younger than you does not mean I know less.
Very condescending....
Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/2014
Pandora I am not even bothering to read your posts here anymore.
Your posts just get more and more condescending and offensive.
As if you really want the best for me with your tough mother advice.
Please do not bother wasting your time and others time with your babble.
I am still astonished and disappointed that you called me a selfish person and astonished you believe one must give up what he/she believes in to cater to others. And please do not discuss my depression on here.
I am not even bothering with your post in my other thread in AET, if you want to support me and claim to care then stop labeling me a selfish person and laying the blame on me.
And I would appreciate it if you do not talk about my mother and sister like you know them and know what they feel or what they want, it is a bit weird the way you typed about them to be honest.
P.S. I don't you calling me ''young man''. Me being younger than you does not mean I know less.
Very condescending....
This is very ironic don't you think?
Perhaps your family and I have more in common than I could even imagine.
I have explained that all people are selfish.
I have explained why I feel compromise, compassion, understanding
is important to repair family relationships. I know... what terrible advice :?
It is your choice if you want to remain in your family.
My decades tell me there is great sadness possible in these choices,
something I cared enough to try to help you avoid.
Empathy for your loved ones is something you will learn one day...
if you have not already. Hopefully while your Mama is still here.
I have a feeling she blames herself though may not show it
she may leave this world carrying that weight.
We all have responsibilities to each other and guilt when we avoid them.
May you find what you seek and I'm sorry you are unhappy with me as well
as others who love you.
The following post that you quote is not directed to him but is in general to the world.
Which is quite clear.
How many posts are you directing at me? How many do you always post?
How often must I tell you this? How often must the mods?
How bout you stop that please? you've spotted me out enough
you follow me everywhere and speak badly about me which is against guidelines.
So really who needs to be quiet again? please follow your own advice.
Ignore...
Go back on topic as I have in my previous post this show is done...
I follow you nowhere. your post count shows that you are fucking everywhere, like a disease. I ignore you as much as I can, but I have to call you out when I think you are being wrong towards someone else who doesn't deserve your evil.
No your motivation, your behavior stems from vindictiveness, this others have seen as well.
You can not let something that happened in a past year go nor learn from it.
The mods will have to handle this if you address me again. So put me on ignore if you have nothing nice to say. Your negativity hurts everyone out there.
Again I realize some here feel empathy, compassion, understanding is too much to give
to repair a family. That remaining stubborn, having deaf ears, putting walls up in the name
of right is the way to live a life. One can be as right as one wants... alone and right.
Give in a little, set an example of compromise or take the very real loss.
Choices ... choices one day that one may regret.
To thoughts_arrive; No, I did not pay much attention to who said what so I was not being specific. Again, I should have considered better what I had implied. For you, I only have compassion. I am sorry.
No your motivation, your behavior stems from vindictiveness, this others have seen as well.
You can not let something that happened in a past year go nor learn from it.
ah, yes, your anonymous groundswell of supporters. right. I forgot about them.
something that happened a year ago? I'd ask you what the hell you are talking about, but I don't think even you know anymore. :?
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Comments
I've read this thread as well. A little late to the dance... I'll abstain from making any comments, but I'm really curious as to why you might think it is your place to swoop in after contributing nothing to it, exclaim 'death to this thread' and- at the same time- dismiss some for being 'trolls'.
For that matter... exactly who are you referring to as exhibiting 'troll-like' behaviour? You've excused and promoted Pandora... so we are left to assume those in opposition are those you speak of? Is this not a form of baiting itself?
you're new. you'll learn soon enough.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Don't be too tough on yourself. It's obvious you've got a big heart. This hasn't been lost on anyone.
Are you calling me a troll?
Good thoughts to you.
Thank you.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I want the very best for you young man. I have read your posts, related to them,
felt repair can be made in your life as you move into the next decade ... #3.
As you know my son is the same age and you share more in common than just that.
My heart is with you. I'm sorry you don't like the tough words of a Mom.
It is what I have for you but know it comes from loving place.
We are experiencing the same in our family, I have told my children,
people do not and will not always see eye to eye
but the challenge is there to still love. Blood is thicker than water.
Choices made we will not always condone nor want for ourselves
but we can try to understand our loved ones and yes put their needs
before ours.
If all did this happy comforting families we would have.
I have said how and why to support your Mama and sis ... with love and for love.
Do you want to be truly happy? The kind of happy that lasts a lifetime
and leaves with you to where you go next?
Not instant gratification but happiness that comes from sacrifice, unselfishness
and putting someone else before your own needs.
If you do listen to me if not write me off. Choices is what we have been given to make.
You stand at a fork in the road.
Selfishness is a human trait we all have. My opinion it is part of self preservation.
In the 2nd decade of life it is often at its height. Perhaps I should have explained this
earlier as you are not alone and perhaps would not take selfish as an insult.
I hoped through sharing my personal bits with you by pm more understanding from you
would be present for me. Trust perhaps. That is a lot to expect I know.
Having been through depression myself and with many others close to me,
having attempted suicide and come back from that dark place,
you can trust me that I have your best interests at heart.
I want only happiness for you.
It's unfortunate your family feels that way, but this situation is not your problem... it's theirs. A family is supposed to love each other unconditionally. For example, if my son became a mass murderer... I would love him regardless. As the rest of the world might (understandably) despise him... my love for him would remain intact. In fact... it would probably grow knowing he would need more of it as he dealt with the aftermath of his crime. Don't get me wrong... I would abhor the crime, but the love for my son would not diminish in the slightest.
Simply put... your family needs to come to terms with your situation. Your branching out and away is not uncommon and hardly damaging or evil. The demand to conform is ridiculous. The shaming tactics are shallow. And, the friendly advice to accomodate is really poor advice.
Speaking from my experience, the only thing I could say to you is to resist the urge to debate the legitimacy of religion with family members when you might find yourself defensive. In other words, model the way in which family members are supposed to treat each other.
I say this why we have record numbers of divorce, young people unwilling to commit,
and dysfunctional broken families.
Give in a little bit you'd be surprised who's meeting you halfway.
Action reaction positive motion forward and beyond...
key word here ... beyond
haven't you done enough damage already? please stop.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
when I post them.
Giving in feels good do you not think? Or do you not do?
towards the good that comes from them and spirituality.
This one of my favorite interviews from one of my all life favorite musicians.
WHAT IS ENLIGHTENMENT: Over the course of your career, your spiritual beliefs have changed and evolved, and yet spirituality continues to be the foundation of your life. You have said that “everyone has divine qualities to be able to heal and transform. . . . Once you believe, the rest will follow.” What constitutes the essence of your own beliefs today?
CARLOS SANTANA: Your intention, motives, and purpose really define who you are. It's not whether you're Santana or Smith or Jones, or whether you're Mexican or Hebrew or Catholic or Buddhist. I don't think God and the angels see any of that stuff. They just see your intention, your motives, and your purpose. And once those three are crystallized and sharpened and are tuned into something, things open up for you—supreme synchronicity and blessings, opportunities, possibilities. Everyone is destined to prosperity, to progress, and the keys that humans need to find are intention, motives, and purpose, because that is who you really, really are. I'm surprised they don't teach those three things in school. That's the gasoline that you need to take you to the next destination, not all the other stuff. The other stuff is just dust. But for me, what I'm learning more and more is that those three things—intention, motives, and purpose—really define who you are.
more?
http://www.enlightennext.org/magazine/j28/santana.asp
you may think this is a positive thought, but in this context, it is not. you are so clouded by your own ego and self centered personality that you aren't even listening to the person you are trying to "help". he has basically told you where to go, and you still keep on blathering.
how dense does one have to be? now shut you damn mouth.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
They were all to him and no one else and answered what he asked of me.
The following post that you quote is not directed to him but is in general to the world.
Which is quite clear.
How many posts are you directing at me? How many do you always post?
How often must I tell you this? How often must the mods?
How bout you stop that please? you've spotted me out enough
you follow me everywhere and speak badly about me which is against guidelines.
So really who needs to be quiet again? please follow your own advice.
Ignore...
Go back on topic as I have in my previous post this show is done...
I follow you nowhere. your post count shows that you are fucking everywhere, like a disease. I ignore you as much as I can, but I have to call you out when I think you are being wrong towards someone else who doesn't deserve your evil.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
well stated, cate
angels share laughter
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
well the way i see it, we are guides for our children, not dictators to demand or even expect acquiescence on issues of personal principle. there are very few things in this world we can absolutely call our own.. our faith is one of those things. would i be devastated if one of my children revealed a belief in God/s? yes i would. would i belittle them and guilt them into my way of thinking? no... but i would continue to love them and respect them.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Your posts just get more and more condescending and offensive.
As if you really want the best for me with your tough mother advice.
Please do not bother wasting your time and others time with your babble.
I am still astonished and disappointed that you called me a selfish person and astonished you believe one must give up what he/she believes in to cater to others. And please do not discuss my depression on here.
I am not even bothering with your post in my other thread in AET, if you want to support me and claim to care then stop labeling me a selfish person and laying the blame on me.
And I would appreciate it if you do not talk about my mother and sister like you know them and know what they feel or what they want, it is a bit weird the way you typed about them to be honest.
P.S. I don't you calling me ''young man''. Me being younger than you does not mean I know less.
Very condescending....
Perhaps your family and I have more in common than I could even imagine.
I have explained that all people are selfish.
I have explained why I feel compromise, compassion, understanding
is important to repair family relationships. I know... what terrible advice :?
It is your choice if you want to remain in your family.
My decades tell me there is great sadness possible in these choices,
something I cared enough to try to help you avoid.
Empathy for your loved ones is something you will learn one day...
if you have not already. Hopefully while your Mama is still here.
I have a feeling she blames herself though may not show it
she may leave this world carrying that weight.
We all have responsibilities to each other and guilt when we avoid them.
May you find what you seek and I'm sorry you are unhappy with me as well
as others who love you.
You can not let something that happened in a past year go nor learn from it.
The mods will have to handle this if you address me again.
So put me on ignore if you have nothing nice to say. Your negativity hurts everyone out there.
Again I realize some here feel empathy, compassion, understanding is too much to give
to repair a family. That remaining stubborn, having deaf ears, putting walls up in the name
of right is the way to live a life. One can be as right as one wants... alone and right.
Give in a little, set an example of compromise or take the very real loss.
Choices ... choices one day that one may regret.
it is just as lovely to give as it is to receive
ah, yes, your anonymous groundswell of supporters. right. I forgot about them.
something that happened a year ago? I'd ask you what the hell you are talking about, but I don't think even you know anymore. :?
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