The church system is full of evil men

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I don't know any catholic bullies. I only know human ones.

so ... you don't think the catholic church bullies and intimidates?

JonnyPistachio

I'd just like to note (PolarisX take note!) that Florida was only on PoD's lists once.

...And do people still really believe in Satan? :?

And as much as I despise organized religion, the majority of people I have personally met use it to do good. And there are hundreds of thousands of people that do good for every one of those terrible stories PoD listed. Unfortunately, the select few who commit those atrocities give religion a bad name in many cases. Any any ONE case of abuse is too much, so we should be concerned, most definitely.

...Satan though, really? :fp:

polaris_x

JonnyPistachio wrote:

I'd just like to note (PolarisX take note!) that Florida was only on PoD's lists once.

pandora

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

This has been big news here in Australia this week, a Royal Commission has been set up to investigate the abuse.
What has made my blood boil this week is listening to Cardinal George Pell deny the abuse, and others blaming the victims, and God.
I often have heated arguments with my religious mother who calls me evil for not going to Church.
She has told me I am not a Catholic and I am a failure and that I hate God.
My sister has called me selfish for not going Church on Christimas.
I feel like a black sheep in the family but I strongly believe in my values and going to Church isn't one of them.
I will only ever set foot in a Church if necessary, i.e. weddings, funerals, baptisms.
When the time comes for me to get married I don't know if I can bring myself to have it at a Church.

A dose of understanding all around for you and your family. Sustaining love is what is important
even if some concessions must be made. We got but one life with the souls we call family here,
we come from the same blood, there is meaning in this, great connection. If it is only you who
forgives and concedes, all will be rewarded but your heart will be freed.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I don't know any catholic bullies. I only know human ones.

so ... you don't think the catholic church bullies and intimidates?

give me an example. I'm not sure the context in your question.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

polaris_x wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I don't know any catholic bullies. I only know human ones.

so ... you don't think the catholic church bullies and intimidates?

my father in law, who grew up on a farm in conservative northern Saskatchewan with his 10 siblings, is a Knight of Columbus. He is pro-marriage equality.

even flow - question mark

If I had a club that preached the "word" from some deity that nobody had seen, didn't let women into it, liked to have little boys ring bells and hang around all the time, we'd be black listed and investigated by the government. So what is up with this club?

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

organized religion is not evil; man, who runs organized religion, is fatally flawed. there are pedophiles and cover ups of said pedophiles in all walks of life, but the church gets the brunt of the flack because they are in a position of perceived highest moral authority.

earth is full of mentally ill men/women. some of them happen to be involved in organized religion.

I'll never understand why people equate the church with evil. it's some of the people in the church that deserve that label, not the church itself.

that's the same as painting all Muslims with the terrorist brush.

Huge <see below> to this.

Prince Of Dorkness

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

you and your overdramatic posts with sweeping generalizations. come on.

now now, I said "most." not "all."

(although I'll own "overdramatic.")

polaris_x

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

give me an example. I'm not sure the context in your question.

sorry ... i haven't had time ... i do think it's important and when I get a chance I will ... heading to NY ...

if you want to look up what the catholic church lobbies for as it relates to human rights issues as abortion and same sex marriage ... you will see their influence in gov't policy ... and just read thoughtsarrive's experience with his family ... obviously not all catholics are light that ... besides the sex abuse charges - i feel they are the most aggressive of religions to impose their agenda upon people whether it's through lobbyists or indoctrination ...

catefrances

pandora wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

This has been big news here in Australia this week, a Royal Commission has been set up to investigate the abuse.
What has made my blood boil this week is listening to Cardinal George Pell deny the abuse, and others blaming the victims, and God.
I often have heated arguments with my religious mother who calls me evil for not going to Church.
She has told me I am not a Catholic and I am a failure and that I hate God.
My sister has called me selfish for not going Church on Christimas.
I feel like a black sheep in the family but I strongly believe in my values and going to Church isn't one of them.
I will only ever set foot in a Church if necessary, i.e. weddings, funerals, baptisms.
When the time comes for me to get married I don't know if I can bring myself to have it at a Church.

A dose of understanding all around for you and your family. Sustaining love is what is important
even if some concessions must be made. We got but one life with the souls we call family here,
we come from the same blood, there is meaning in this, great connection. If it is only you who
forgives and concedes, all will be rewarded but your heart will be freed.

i dont understand this post. TA says his mother calls him evil for not going to church, his sister has called him selfish for the same reason. he has chosen not to enter a church and not because he no longer believes, but for a reason his family cant seem to respect so they verbally abuse him. yet the above post says if it is only him who forgives and concedes all will be rewarded but his heart will be freed? it seems to me that the post is saying that he should suck it up and attend church even though it clearly goes against his principles. can you please explain the underlined sentence cause im sure im not the only one who doesnt know what is being said here.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

This has been big news here in Australia this week, a Royal Commission has been set up to investigate the abuse.
What has made my blood boil this week is listening to Cardinal George Pell deny the abuse, and others blaming the victims, and God.
I often have heated arguments with my religious mother who calls me evil for not going to Church.
She has told me I am not a Catholic and I am a failure and that I hate God.
My sister has called me selfish for not going Church on Christimas.
I feel like a black sheep in the family but I strongly believe in my values and going to Church isn't one of them.
I will only ever set foot in a Church if necessary, i.e. weddings, funerals, baptisms.
When the time comes for me to get married I don't know if I can bring myself to have it at a Church.

A dose of understanding all around for you and your family. Sustaining love is what is important
even if some concessions must be made. We got but one life with the souls we call family here,
we come from the same blood, there is meaning in this, great connection. If it is only you who
forgives and concedes, all will be rewarded but your heart will be freed.

i dont understand this post. TA says his mother calls him evil for not going to church, his sister has called him selfish for the same reason. he has chosen not to enter a church and not because he no longer believes, but for a reason his family cant seem to respect so they verbally abuse him. yet the above post says if it is only him who forgives and concedes all will be rewarded but his heart will be freed? it seems to me that the post is saying that he should suck it up and attend church even though it clearly goes against his principles. can you please explain the underlined sentence cause im sure im not the only one who doesnt know what is being said here.

I understand it. She's saying exactly that, to do what is expected of you to keep the peace. Which is horrible advice. If my family didn't accept me the way I am, the hell with them. I don't waste my time on people like that, blood or not.

Sure, some concessions need to be made in life. Like which movie do we see tonight? Ok, fine, we'll go see Sex and the City, honey. But something that goes against your principles and beliefs? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

And I told my brother so back when he turned born again, and he judged the hell out of all of us who didn't believe like he did. Finally we had to tell him "we love you, but you need to back off". So he and his wife did. Our relationship is way better for it.

Had I just conformed to his wishes, I'd be seething day in and day out. Be yourself. That's all you can be.

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

you and your overdramatic posts with sweeping generalizations. come on.

now now, I said "most." not "all."

(although I'll own "overdramatic.")

even saying "most" is a complete overgeneralization. it's just plain untrue.

hedonist

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

I understand it. She's saying exactly that, to do what is expected of you to keep the peace. Which is horrible advice. If my family didn't accept me the way I am, the hell with them. I don't waste my time on people like that, blood or not.

Sure, some concessions need to be made in life. Like which movie do we see tonight? Ok, fine, we'll go see Sex and the City, honey. But something that goes against your principles and beliefs? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

And I told my brother so back when he turned born again, and he judged the hell out of all of us who didn't believe like he did. Finally we had to tell him "we love you, but you need to back off". So he and his wife did. Our relationship is way better for it.

Had I just conformed to his wishes, I'd be seething day in and day out. Be yourself. That's all you can be.

1) Yeah...sacrifice your peace of mind/soul for others? And at what price? Nuh-uh. I'm fortunate to not have been in that position myself, but know others who have been, for various reasons - religion, money, "loyalty".

2) Sex and the City?!? Not even MY cup o'tea, so kudos to you on that concession to your wife

3) "Be yourself. That's all you can be." Amen. (and now I've got a hankering for the Audioslave song)

Hugh Freaking Dillon

hedonist wrote:

1) Yeah...sacrifice your peace of mind/soul for others? And at what price? Nuh-uh. I'm fortunate to not have been in that position myself, but know others who have been, for various reasons - religion, money, "loyalty".

2) Sex and the City?!? Not even MY cup o'tea, so kudos to you on that concession to your wife

3) "Be yourself. That's all you can be." Amen. (and now I've got a hankering for the Audioslave song)

I didn't actually go see it in the theatre with her. She went with friends. But I finally, after much harping, agreed to watch it at home. I watched half of it and said "this is awful, I can't watch anymore". And I used to like the show and watch it every week with her. Although, it was after we came home drunk and stoned from wherever we were. Maybe that helped me like it!

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

hedonist wrote:

1) Yeah...sacrifice your peace of mind/soul for others? And at what price? Nuh-uh. I'm fortunate to not have been in that position myself, but know others who have been, for various reasons - religion, money, "loyalty".

2) Sex and the City?!? Not even MY cup o'tea, so kudos to you on that concession to your wife

3) "Be yourself. That's all you can be." Amen. (and now I've got a hankering for the Audioslave song)

I didn't actually go see it in the theatre with her. She went with friends. But I finally, after much harping, agreed to watch it at home. I watched half of it and said "this is awful, I can't watch anymore". And I used to like the show and watch it every week with her. Although, it was after we came home drunk and stoned from wherever we were. Maybe that helped me like it!

you got suckered hugh. :P

Thoughts_Arrive

catefrances wrote:

pandora wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

This has been big news here in Australia this week, a Royal Commission has been set up to investigate the abuse.
What has made my blood boil this week is listening to Cardinal George Pell deny the abuse, and others blaming the victims, and God.
I often have heated arguments with my religious mother who calls me evil for not going to Church.
She has told me I am not a Catholic and I am a failure and that I hate God.
My sister has called me selfish for not going Church on Christimas.
I feel like a black sheep in the family but I strongly believe in my values and going to Church isn't one of them.
I will only ever set foot in a Church if necessary, i.e. weddings, funerals, baptisms.
When the time comes for me to get married I don't know if I can bring myself to have it at a Church.

A dose of understanding all around for you and your family. Sustaining love is what is important
even if some concessions must be made. We got but one life with the souls we call family here,
we come from the same blood, there is meaning in this, great connection. If it is only you who
forgives and concedes, all will be rewarded but your heart will be freed.

i dont understand this post. TA says his mother calls him evil for not going to church, his sister has called him selfish for the same reason. he has chosen not to enter a church and not because he no longer believes, but for a reason his family cant seem to respect so they verbally abuse him. yet the above post says if it is only him who forgives and concedes all will be rewarded but his heart will be freed? it seems to me that the post is saying that he should suck it up and attend church even though it clearly goes against his principles. can you please explain the underlined sentence cause im sure im not the only one who doesnt know what is being said here.

Pandora as Catefrances said, I am not to sure what you meant by the last sentence also.
If you suggest I just go to keep the peace then I disagree with that.
We should not have to live our lives how others want us to.
I have gone on Easter and Christmas to keep the peace so that family lunches on those days are not tense.
I have given up going to keep the peace.
Last time I went I tried not to laugh in church, the priest looked like some mad bad dictator, he kept frowning and saying there are many young ones not singing and praying out loud, he even eye balled me whilst everyone was praying out aloud as I was silent.
Also all the fake Catholics in attendance made me chuckle, I know some of them and outside church they are not the nicest people around, yet they fake it for the hour in church.
No thanks, I'd rather stay home on Sundays and religious days and listen to music, that is my church!

Thoughts_Arrive

Disgusting...

http://www.theage.com.au/national/churc ... 29evv.html

At least some sense....

http://www.theage.com.au/national/pell- ... 29e28.html

Thoughts_Arrive

I had a debate with my dad on this a few weeks ago.
He says the victims are trouble makers and making it all up.
:roll:

Hugh Freaking Dillon

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

I had a debate with my dad on this a few weeks ago.
He says the victims are trouble makers and making it all up.
:roll:

:shock: