EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
umm, we're not so far from that now here in the states.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
Right on. Well said/written
I am still trying to make sense out of that it's not all Muslims, but the faith of all Muslims. Brilliant cover for some xenophobic shit.
No, you just don't comprehend the difference. It's not the faith of all Muslims, it's the extremist view of that faith of some Muslims. But why try and understand when it's easy to just paint others that disagree with you as xenophobes. That sounds sooooo much better.
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
umm, we're not so far from that now here in the states.
While I wish we're were farther away...we are no where near as close as you seem to think.
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
umm, we're not so far from that now here in the states.
Yeah, it's not super great in the US right now (I'm still feeling pretty comfortable in Canada though, and Western Europe has practically mastered that separation). But the US is still light years away from the combination of church and state compared to any Islamic country.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
umm, we're not so far from that now here in the states.
While I wish we're were farther away...we are no where near as close as you seem to think.
my point being religion IS intertwined in politics here.
certain religious veiwpoints are used to legislate or attempt to.
Not to the violent extremes we see overseas , but the point holds.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
But I think that's a black and white view of the situation. Have you ever considered the ties between extremism and the violence perpetrated by foreign forces? Or the ties between extremism and poverty in these regions - which can also be at least partly blamed on US / NATO foreign policy?
IF (and this is a generalization to even discuss, really), politics and religion are so much more intertwined over there....could it not be at least partially due to the fact that foreign powers, most of them members of a different religion, are occupying their countries? This thread is proof of how inflamed tensions get over a couple American deaths. Imagine the hate if a predominantly muslim army was on US soil, killing hundreds a week?
EVERYONE here has jumped to the conclusion that this attack occurred over a movie, and therefore is the work of muslim extremists.
Most of the independent sources I've read say that the protests over the movie were either started for, or used as cover for coordinated attacks against US interests on the anniversary of 9/11.
From what I've read - this happened in three waves: protesters, then armed gunmen, then armoured vehicles. Protesters don't drive armoured vehicles. Trained, generously funded militant groups do.
I don't find it at all surprising that so many people here just accept at face value that this must be the work of crazy muslims, because that's what the initial news stories said. It's a lot easier to point fingers at religion than to consider that these attacks might just be reprisal for NATO/US foreign policy. That would require some national introspection....and we all know that never fucking happens.
I actually did mention that it was extremists who killed the Americans, but more politically motivated citizens protesting. But I think it's a very safe assumption to a foregone conclusion that it WAS crazy Muslims who committed the murders. A big part of what Muslim extremists focus on is indeed NATA and US foreign policy. In the end, it still all comes down to their extremist faith. It's not the same as here, where there is a difference between politics and religion. They are considered completely intertwined over there.
But I think that's a black and white view of the situation. Have you ever considered the ties between extremism and the violence perpetrated by foreign forces? Or the ties between extremism and poverty in these regions - which can also be at least partly blamed on US / NATO foreign policy?
IF (and this is a generalization to even discuss, really), politics and religion are so much more intertwined over there....could it not be at least partially due to the fact that foreign powers, most of them members of a different religion, are occupying their countries? This thread is proof of how inflamed tensions get over a couple American deaths. Imagine the hate if a muslim army was on US soil, killing hundreds a week?
I think of this matter in anything other than black and white. I don't think my posts suggest there is anything black and white about it - it's a highly complicated subject. I have considered those things you mentioned, yes. Of course their views are tied into their views of foreign policy... I've been confronting this thread under that assumption that that is a given - we all know (or should know if we're talking about this at length) the attitude towards American and western foreign policy among Muslim extremists - I hope so anyway. Otherwise there are people here who think that just being "really really Muslim" is what makes them want to kill and terrorize!
Muslim extremists' actions stem from their interpretation of the Islamic faith in the context of all of these issues. The reaction (or non-reaction) of moderate Muslims also largely stems from their position within the faith.
I don't really know what you mean by this thread being evidence of how inflamed tensions get over a couple of American deaths. I think it's been a pretty even keeled thread for the most part, considering that we're talking about our embassies being attacked or under threat in wide spead, international protests, which is a pretty big deal.
But anyway, none of this changes the fact that extremists' actions are intimately woven into their faith, and herein lies the problem. Religious fervor (in any faith) tends to lead to a serious lack of logic and reason, combined with a lack of fear. That is a dangerous combination.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
Hmmm. Why do you jump to the conclusion that someone is lying rather than them just trying to figure out what's going on while all of their sources are unable to actually communicate solid facts to them from there right now? I see no reason at this point to assume anything other than that, or any motive behind what you're suggesting. Nothing that's happened so far has helped Obama's campaign at all.... :?:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
Hmmm. Why do you jump to the conclusion that someone is lying rather than them just trying to figure out what's going on while all of their sources are unable to actually communicate solid facts to them from there right now? I see no reason at this point to assume anything other than that, or any motive behind what you're suggesting. Nothing that's happened so far has helped Obama's campaign at all.... :?:
I am not saying anything is helping his campaign....I am saying he needs to stop traveling for campaign purposes.....And BE the President.
Maybe they have to get there story straight....
There are reports that "The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
Hmmm. Why do you jump to the conclusion that someone is lying rather than them just trying to figure out what's going on while all of their sources are unable to actually communicate solid facts to them from there right now? I see no reason at this point to assume anything other than that, or any motive behind what you're suggesting. Nothing that's happened so far has helped Obama's campaign at all.... :?:
I am not saying anything is helping his campaign....I am saying he needs to stop traveling for campaign purposes.....And BE the President.
Maybe they have to get there story straight....
There are reports that "The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach.
Oh. There is no such thing as a US President who doesn't concentrate most of his effort in the last year of his first term campaigning. That is just an unrealistic expectation!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Considering this tragedy I would think maybe they could make an exception.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I think of this matter in anything other than black and white. I don't think my posts suggest there is anything black and white about it - it's a highly complicated subject. I have considered those things you mentioned, yes. Of course their views are tied into their views of foreign policy... I've been confronting this thread under that assumption that that is a given - we all know (or should know if we're talking about this at length) the attitude towards American and western foreign policy among Muslim extremists - I hope so anyway. Otherwise there are people here who think that just being "really really Muslim" is what makes them want to kill and terrorize!
I don't think you see it that way personally, but I think there are people in this thread that do.
But I'm letting myself get sidetracked from my original point. Mainly - that these were militants, soldiers (allegedly tied to al qaeda, trained and funded by NATO, but I'll save that for later )that carried out these attacks. I don't buy that all of these people are motivated by religion. I think that's a convenient portayal for a corporate owned media (part and parcel of the MIC), or political spin for a corrupt government (not to finger obama - I mean ANY hawkish, pandering politician - so most). A divided middle east, a divided world is in the best interests of a lot of powerful people. But talking like this, without fail, invites calls of 'conspiracy theorist', as evidenced by polaris' weary attempt to broach the subject in the locked thread, and the reaction it received. I'm willing to bet that if we looked at these people as individuals, we'd find a lot of different motivations for why they choose to attack western interests. I have to wonder how many would be influenced more by obedient, militant culture, than intolerance (the same can be said of western soldiers)...and motivated more by personal tragedy than dogma.
Muslim extremists' actions stem from their interpretation of the Islamic faith in the context of all of these issues. The reaction (or non-reaction) of moderate Muslims also largely stems from their position within the faith.
I agree, but as mentioned, I don't think this is really about religion as much as we're being led to believe.
I don't really know what you mean by this thread being evidence of how inflamed tensions get over a couple of American deaths. I think it's been a pretty even keeled thread for the most part, considering that we're talking about our embassies being attacked or under threat in wide spead, international protests, which is a pretty big deal.
I came to this thread late; I read it start to finish over lunch....the first five pages are a lot of speculation and blind rage. no one even had any information yet, and it was instantly 'nuke 'em', 'they're 1000 years behind' (savages) etc....and then a whole lot of negative talk about Islam in general. kat picked a good time to tell everyone to calm the fuck down and wait until we even knew what happened...dignin's pics added to that sentiment. Yes, attacking embassies is a big deal. But some were calling for nukes (and lets face it, there are a LOT of godfathers out there)...my point was, imagine if americans were seeing, in person, weddings get bombed by Iranian drones....would they then become christrian extremists if they chose to fight back? Or would they be really pissed off people who happen to be christian? Maybe this is why 'extremists' are focused on foreign policy...
But anyway, none of this changes the fact that extremists' actions are intimately woven into their faith, and herein lies the problem. Religious fervor (in any faith) tends to lead to a serious lack of logic and reason, combined with a lack of fear. That is a dangerous combination.
So in this case, being really really muslim I kid...again, we don't even know how many of these soldiers were doing this with a twisted or zealot's interpretation of Islam as motivation.
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
aerial trusting a Lebanese news source? edit: wait....sorry, a Lebanese source, citing a French source.
All of the reports I've read state that he got separated from a group during evacuation and got lost, dying of asphyxiation from a fire. Not sure how they could have sodomized him in that situation. Maybe it's just obama lying to confuse us. Can you clarify your statement about them flip-flopping on the film being the reason behind this? Have they publicly claimed both sides of that opinion?
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
F U P.....figure it out cliffy.
Godfather.
I have no idea what this means, and I'd imagine it'd be a complete waste of time trying to figure it out.
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
I agree with Cliffy..this line of thinking is just stupid. It won't hurt Obama's chances for reelection one bit because only those that already have a hatred for Obama (and probably still believe he isn't a US citizen) think like the above. I think independents seeing that republicans think like the above actually HELPS his chances of reelection.
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just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
I agree with Cliffy..this line of thinking is just stupid. It won't hurt Obama's chances for reelection one bit because only those that already have a hatred for Obama (and probably still believe he isn't a US citizen) think like the above. I think independents seeing that republicans think like the above actually HELPS his chances of reelection.
Obama could very well win reelection I am just thinking with all the bad press and news about him I think he may have ruined his chance at reelection.
I still think he dangerous.
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
are you saying you actually believe this bullshit?
it kind of goes hand in hand with the chain emails you have posted in the past so i am thinking yeah.
:fp:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the president did not apoligize. the initial message was sent from the people inside the embassy who were trying to keep the mob from escalating.
in all honesty, if you were in that situation what would you have done?
and when is a group of people trying to defuse a hostile crowd "apologizing for america" or "apologizing for america's values" as romney so stupidly put it?
the way romney makes it sound is it is an american value to insult the religions of other cultures and defend those doing the insulting. to any rational american, that is not an american value.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
the president did not apoligize. the initial message was sent from the people inside the embassy who were trying to keep the mob from escalating.
in all honesty, if you were in that situation what would you have done?
and when is a group of people trying to defuse a hostile crowd "apologizing for america" or "apologizing for america's values" as romney so stupidly put it?
the way romney makes it sound is it is an american value to insult the religions of other cultures and defend those doing the insulting. to any rational american, that is not an american value.
exactly. disrespect and insult with no acknowledgement of the first amendment and what it can mean from both sides of the coin.
Its been said Obama is a pragmatist. I agree with that.
I also think that Romney is an opportunnist. Not what I'm looking for in a President. Thanks for playing. Go count your nontaxed money.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
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just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Holy shit I actually nearly lost a kidney on that last one.
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just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Godfather...this sounds like frustration, confusion and some serious desperation.
All will be well if The President gets re-elected there's no need to give up on this country.....if the President gets re-elected I believe you already know he will. This country just isn't sold on a candidate named Mitt Romney to become the leader of this nation. The polls are saying so already and the debates are jet to come.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
imagine if obama wins again. it was bad enough to some of these backwoods racist "conservatives" the first time. if he wins again a million heads are gonna explode.
these things go in cycles. it is a numbers game. romney's message is not resonating with voters so he is unlikely to win.
if obama wins are we gonna have rioting in the streets or just another 4 years of bitching, whining, and false accusations?
i agree with mickeyrat. i would rather have someone in the oval office who is pragmatic and able to see all sides, not someone hotheaded like romney who will rush to judgement and attack without having all of the facts like he did in this libya situation :fp:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
No, you just don't comprehend the difference. It's not the faith of all Muslims, it's the extremist view of that faith of some Muslims. But why try and understand when it's easy to just paint others that disagree with you as xenophobes. That sounds sooooo much better.
While I wish we're were farther away...we are no where near as close as you seem to think.
certain religious veiwpoints are used to legislate or attempt to.
Not to the violent extremes we see overseas , but the point holds.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
IF (and this is a generalization to even discuss, really), politics and religion are so much more intertwined over there....could it not be at least partially due to the fact that foreign powers, most of them members of a different religion, are occupying their countries? This thread is proof of how inflamed tensions get over a couple American deaths. Imagine the hate if a predominantly muslim army was on US soil, killing hundreds a week?
Muslim extremists' actions stem from their interpretation of the Islamic faith in the context of all of these issues. The reaction (or non-reaction) of moderate Muslims also largely stems from their position within the faith.
I don't really know what you mean by this thread being evidence of how inflamed tensions get over a couple of American deaths. I think it's been a pretty even keeled thread for the most part, considering that we're talking about our embassies being attacked or under threat in wide spead, international protests, which is a pretty big deal.
But anyway, none of this changes the fact that extremists' actions are intimately woven into their faith, and herein lies the problem. Religious fervor (in any faith) tends to lead to a serious lack of logic and reason, combined with a lack of fear. That is a dangerous combination.
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
I am not saying anything is helping his campaign....I am saying he needs to stop traveling for campaign purposes.....And BE the President.
Maybe they have to get there story straight....
There are reports that "The killings of the US ambassador to Libya and three of his staff were likely to have been the result of a serious and continuing security breach.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/revealed-inside-story-of-us-envoys-assassination-8135797.html
But I'm letting myself get sidetracked from my original point. Mainly - that these were militants, soldiers (allegedly tied to al qaeda, trained and funded by NATO, but I'll save that for later
I came to this thread late; I read it start to finish over lunch....the first five pages are a lot of speculation and blind rage. no one even had any information yet, and it was instantly 'nuke 'em', 'they're 1000 years behind' (savages) etc....and then a whole lot of negative talk about Islam in general. kat picked a good time to tell everyone to calm the fuck down and wait until we even knew what happened...dignin's pics added to that sentiment. Yes, attacking embassies is a big deal. But some were calling for nukes (and lets face it, there are a LOT of godfathers out there)...my point was, imagine if americans were seeing, in person, weddings get bombed by Iranian drones....would they then become christrian extremists if they chose to fight back? Or would they be really pissed off people who happen to be christian? Maybe this is why 'extremists' are focused on foreign policy... So in this case, being really really muslim
All of the reports I've read state that he got separated from a group during evacuation and got lost, dying of asphyxiation from a fire. Not sure how they could have sodomized him in that situation. Maybe it's just obama lying to confuse us. Can you clarify your statement about them flip-flopping on the film being the reason behind this? Have they publicly claimed both sides of that opinion?
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Then I think the only logical conclusion is that you are friends with a lot of dumb fucking people on Facebook
F U P.....figure it out cliffy.
Godfather.
I have no idea what this means, and I'd imagine it'd be a complete waste of time trying to figure it out.
I agree with Cliffy..this line of thinking is just stupid. It won't hurt Obama's chances for reelection one bit because only those that already have a hatred for Obama (and probably still believe he isn't a US citizen) think like the above. I think independents seeing that republicans think like the above actually HELPS his chances of reelection.
Wow. Wow. Wow.
Obama could very well win reelection I am just thinking with all the bad press and news about him I think he may have ruined his chance at reelection.
I still think he dangerous.
Godfather.
Godfather.
I have absolutely no clue what you are talking about
it kind of goes hand in hand with the chain emails you have posted in the past so i am thinking yeah.
:fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
the president did not apoligize. the initial message was sent from the people inside the embassy who were trying to keep the mob from escalating.
in all honesty, if you were in that situation what would you have done?
and when is a group of people trying to defuse a hostile crowd "apologizing for america" or "apologizing for america's values" as romney so stupidly put it?
the way romney makes it sound is it is an american value to insult the religions of other cultures and defend those doing the insulting. to any rational american, that is not an american value.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Its been said Obama is a pragmatist. I agree with that.
I also think that Romney is an opportunnist. Not what I'm looking for in a President. Thanks for playing. Go count your nontaxed money.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Holy shit I actually nearly lost a kidney on that last one.
Godfather...this sounds like frustration, confusion and some serious desperation.
All will be well if The President gets re-elected there's no need to give up on this country.....if the President gets re-elected I believe you already know he will. This country just isn't sold on a candidate named Mitt Romney to become the leader of this nation. The polls are saying so already and the debates are jet to come.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
these things go in cycles. it is a numbers game. romney's message is not resonating with voters so he is unlikely to win.
if obama wins are we gonna have rioting in the streets or just another 4 years of bitching, whining, and false accusations?
i agree with mickeyrat. i would rather have someone in the oval office who is pragmatic and able to see all sides, not someone hotheaded like romney who will rush to judgement and attack without having all of the facts like he did in this libya situation :fp:
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."