imagine if obama wins again. it was bad enough to some of these backwoods racist "conservatives" the first time. if he wins again a million heads are gonna explode.
these things go in cycles. it is a numbers game. romney's message is not resonating with voters so he is unlikely to win.
if obama wins are we gonna have rioting in the streets or just another 4 years of bitching, whining, and false accusations?
i agree with mickeyrat. i would rather have someone in the oval office who is pragmatic and able to see all sides, not someone hotheaded like romney who will rush to judgement and attack without having all of the facts like he did in this libya situation :fp:
It may actually be really way more positive if Obama wins this time around. For his first term, the number one goal for Republicans was to stonewall Obama at any cost in order to keep him from being reelected. But since he can't be reelected this around, perhaps they'd actually stop stonewalling and think about what's best for the country again, while just finding their next candidate.... on the other hand, maybe they'll just keep trying to sabotage the presidency in an effort to ensure that their next candidate doesn't lose again. :? Yeah, that sound more right somehow.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
imagine if obama wins again. it was bad enough to some of these backwoods racist "conservatives" the first time. if he wins again a million heads are gonna explode.
these things go in cycles. it is a numbers game. romney's message is not resonating with voters so he is unlikely to win.
if obama wins are we gonna have rioting in the streets or just another 4 years of bitching, whining, and false accusations?
i agree with mickeyrat. i would rather have someone in the oval office who is pragmatic and able to see all sides, not someone hotheaded like romney who will rush to judgement and attack without having all of the facts like he did in this libya situation :fp:
It may actually be really way more positive if Obama wins this time around. For his first term, the number one goal for Republicans was to stonewall Obama at any cost in order to keep him from being reelected. But since he can't be reelected this around, perhaps they'd actually stop stonewalling and think about what's best for the country again, while just finding their next candidate.... on the other hand, maybe they'll just keep trying to sabotage the presidency in an effort to ensure that their next candidate doesn't lose again. :? Yeah, that sound more right somehow.
IF that woul dbe the line of thinking and course of action, they would surely lose again. Its already been seen that they are sitting on their hands while engaging in political theater. Approval ratings for Congress are lower than for the President right now.
It serves their political interest to find a means to work with this Pres should he be re-elected. I beleive he will be re-elected.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
imagine if obama wins again. it was bad enough to some of these backwoods racist "conservatives" the first time. if he wins again a million heads are gonna explode.
these things go in cycles. it is a numbers game. romney's message is not resonating with voters so he is unlikely to win.
if obama wins are we gonna have rioting in the streets or just another 4 years of bitching, whining, and false accusations?
i agree with mickeyrat. i would rather have someone in the oval office who is pragmatic and able to see all sides, not someone hotheaded like romney who will rush to judgement and attack without having all of the facts like he did in this libya situation :fp:
It may actually be really way more positive if Obama wins this time around. For his first term, the number one goal for Republicans was to stonewall Obama at any cost in order to keep him from being reelected. But since he can't be reelected this around, perhaps they'd actually stop stonewalling and think about what's best for the country again, while just finding their next candidate.... on the other hand, maybe they'll just keep trying to sabotage the presidency in an effort to ensure that their next candidate doesn't lose again. :? Yeah, that sound more right somehow.
either way i have the feeling that the mods will have a busy job election night and the days following... i can imagine a whole slew of silver squares if obama wins and people start saying how they REALLY feel out of frustration or anger. if he wins i will understand the opposition's anger and frustration. i survived 8 years of gwb, they would survive another 4 of obama..
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Godfather...this sounds like frustration, confusion and some serious desperation.
All will be well if The President gets re-elected there's no need to give up on this country.....if the President gets re-elected I believe you already know he will. This country just isn't sold on a candidate named Mitt Romney to become the leader of this nation. The polls are saying so already and the debates are jet to come.
Peace
you may be right who knows at this point,like I said who knows what romney will do ? but I still believe given Obama's track record so far I can't support him and truley hope that he is not reelected.
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
We'd have to lump all muslims together in order to answer your question. No, muslims are not doing that to americans all over the world. How do you figure?
Without a doubt, huh? I have a friend who just returned from an around-the-world trip, during which he toured extensively throughout the middle east and (to a lesser extent) north africa...he visited Cairo and particpated in protests in Ramallah (west bank).....and he was greeted with open arms and made a lot of friends doing it. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194387&p=4582105#p4582105
It's kinda sad how, whenever you're backed into a corner, you admit that you don't really know what you're talking about, and make some little joke with a smilie, then start it all over again in the next thread....I guess it's better than some who will never admit when they're wrong...but still...you admit that you know you are misinformed by the media, and know nothing about the middle east, yet you have no problem making blanket, hateful comments in regards to it's inhabitants.
just copied this from facebook,seems to be agreed on by a lot of facebook 'ers.
I was wondering will this hurt Obama's chance for reelection ?
Godfather.
Last Night....
Islamist rioters went insane in Lebanon
Islamist Anti American Protestors in Jordan went crazy
Islamist riots continued in Egypt
Tunisian police fired tear gas at US embassy Islamist rioters
The German embassy in Sudan smoldered by Islamists
Investigations continued in Libya over Islamists killing the US ambassador
Islamists burned American flags in London
Islamists invaded the US embassy in Tunisia
Islamist crowds began to form in Malaysia, Bangladesh, and Iraq
Hussein Obama did nothing about it because he is in fact, an Islamist, masquerading as an African American
Godfather...this sounds like frustration, confusion and some serious desperation.
All will be well if The President gets re-elected there's no need to give up on this country.....if the President gets re-elected I believe you already know he will. This country just isn't sold on a candidate named Mitt Romney to become the leader of this nation. The polls are saying so already and the debates are jet to come.
Peace
you may be right who knows at this point,like I said who knows what romney will do ? but I still believe given Obama's track record so far I can't support him and truley hope that he is not reelected.
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
:fp: :fp: I don't even know what to say.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
0
g under p
Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
We'd have to lump all muslims together in order to answer your question. No, muslims are not doing that to americans all over the world. How do you figure?
Without a doubt, huh? I have a friend who just returned from an around-the-world trip, during which he toured extensively throughout the middle east and (to a lesser extent) north africa...he visited Cairo and particpated in protests in Ramallah (west bank).....and he was greeted with open arms and made a lot of friends doing it. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194387&p=4582105#p4582105
It's kinda sad how, whenever you're backed into a corner, you admit that you don't really know what you're talking about, and make some little joke with a smilie, then start it all over again in the next thread....I guess it's better than some who will never admit when they're wrong...but still...you admit that you know you are misinformed by the media, and know nothing about the middle east, yet you have no problem making blanket, hateful comments in regards to it's inhabitants.
Well put DO, well put.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
probably because those were representatives of the american government on figurative american soil and they were the closest americans they could find....since the maker of the movie was a coward and was in hiding at the time...
what makes what they did with lumping americans together any worse than what some of you are doing lumping all muslims together in this very thread??
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
You two just don't get it, do you? By 'they', you mean 'muslims'. 'Muslims' did not kill those people. Individuals did. You love to use the ol' "guns don't kill people, people kill people" line, but fail to see how much more applicable that line is to religion than gun control.
No, godfather doesn't have a point. And I explained why...but why bother to debate my opinion when you can just ignore the other side, right?
I asked you pointed questions at the top of page 16 and you ignored that as well. Why should I humour you with a response then? I will anyway. I asked where you were getting information about the murders. The news reports I've read state that the ambassador's death was more like murder in the third degree (unplanned), than the first. But you might as well ignore that too.
As for motive, you'd have to assume intent...doing so, my response to PJ Soul at the bottom of page 15 addressed that. I will add that, viewed from the 'other side', a US ambassador is not some benevolent bystander. He is an architect of NATO's mission in Libya - pretty obviously a target to people who view their presence as imperialist in nature. I doubt he'd have made it out alive, even if he didn't die of asphyxiation...but with the amount of conflicting information being circulated, it's impossible to know exactly why this happened. My point is that you don't know that it was a religiously motivated attack.
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
The people who killed them probably do lump all Americans together (although attacking US diplomats is not a random killing of Americans. If they wanted to do that they could just attack a tour bus on its way to the Pyramids). But they don't represent all Muslims.
Post edited by PJ_Soul on
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
Lump them together as what??
Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
We'd have to lump all muslims together in order to answer your question. No, muslims are not doing that to americans all over the world. How do you figure?
Without a doubt, huh? I have a friend who just returned from an around-the-world trip, during which he toured extensively throughout the middle east and (to a lesser extent) north africa...he visited Cairo and particpated in protests in Ramallah (west bank).....and he was greeted with open arms and made a lot of friends doing it. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194387&p=4582105#p4582105
It's kinda sad how, whenever you're backed into a corner, you admit that you don't really know what you're talking about, and make some little joke with a smilie, then start it all over again in the next thread....I guess it's better than some who will never admit when they're wrong...but still...you admit that you know you are misinformed by the media, and know nothing about the middle east, yet you have no problem making blanket, hateful comments in regards to it's inhabitants.
And I have a friend at work from Sudan and he is Muslum and we have worked together for 8 years. No Americans have hurt him and we laugh together daily.....what was your point?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
Lump them together as what??
Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.
My point is if there is a debate going on and people do not agree with some of you, most of you start to try and accuse people of bigotry, ignorance, and just get really rude.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
We'd have to lump all muslims together in order to answer your question. No, muslims are not doing that to americans all over the world. How do you figure?
Without a doubt, huh? I have a friend who just returned from an around-the-world trip, during which he toured extensively throughout the middle east and (to a lesser extent) north africa...he visited Cairo and particpated in protests in Ramallah (west bank).....and he was greeted with open arms and made a lot of friends doing it. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194387&p=4582105#p4582105
It's kinda sad how, whenever you're backed into a corner, you admit that you don't really know what you're talking about, and make some little joke with a smilie, then start it all over again in the next thread....I guess it's better than some who will never admit when they're wrong...but still...you admit that you know you are misinformed by the media, and know nothing about the middle east, yet you have no problem making blanket, hateful comments in regards to it's inhabitants.
And I have a friend at work from Sudan and he is Muslum and we have worked together for 8 years. No Americans have hurt him and we laugh together daily.....what was your point?
that generalizing 1.5 billion people, as godfather did in the post I quoted, is stupid. Your reply above reinforces that. Do you consider your Sudanese friend 'one of them'?
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
Lump them together as what??
Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.
And so is America....so we agree
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
probably because those were representatives of the american government on figurative american soil and they were the closest americans they could find....since the maker of the movie was a coward and was in hiding at the time...
what makes what they did with lumping americans together any worse than what some of you are doing lumping all muslims together in this very thread??
Because they are killing innocent people, and it is not the first time....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I am saying they as in Libyans or Muslims ............gimmesometruth27 said........ killed because of movie, because the person that made it was hiding....they were the closest americans they could find.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
Lump them together as what??
Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.
My point is if there is a debate going on and people do not agree with some of you, most of you start to try and accuse people of bigotry, ignorance, and just get really rude.
1) So what? They're just more opinions. I think you're someone who has supported freedom of speech, right?
2) I think this thread is pretty calm cool and collected, and fairly respectful, given the subject.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
We have Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
Post edited by aerial on
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
Because my invisible man in the sky IS better than yours.
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
This administration have no idea how to handle what is happening now. They are saying the video that was posted in July is the reason our ambassador was killed, possibly sexually assaulted, and paraded in the streets. Then they say it was not the reason. They don't know what lie they want us to believe.....
Kerry Picket at The Washington Times reported:
According to the Lebanese news organization Tayyar.org, citing AFP news sources, U.S. ambassador to Libya Christopher Stevens, who was killed by gunmen that stormed the U.S. consulate in Benghazi on Tuesday, was reportedly raped before being murdered.
A news report made by the Libyan Free Press is also reporting that Ambassador Stevens was sodomized before he was killed:
Will Obama stop campaigning and handle this tragedy?
aerial trusting a Lebanese news source? edit: wait....sorry, a Lebanese source, citing a French source.
All of the reports I've read state that he got separated from a group during evacuation and got lost, dying of asphyxiation from a fire. Not sure how they could have sodomized him in that situation. Maybe it's just obama lying to confuse us. Can you clarify your statement about them flip-flopping on the film being the reason behind this? Have they publicly claimed both sides of that opinion?
My source was the news stations.
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.
It would be nice if we had respect for all people not just the ones your afraid might go kill people....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
We a Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
I would imagine it's because none of us or you are about to start burning and killing or inciting violence or risking war over it. For the record, for me, it's not what is said that matters at all. It's the consequences of what is said that matters.
It would be nice if we had respect for all people not just the ones your afraid might go kill people....
It would be nice if all people or their opinions were worthy of respect. There is nothing noble about respecting something that isn't worth one's respect. We all have the right to express our opinions, but where anyone got the idea that all opinions ought to be respected is beyond me. But in any case, respect has nothing to do with the treatment of this situation. It's simply a matter of being diplomatic in order to avoid chaos.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
Huh?
I'm not really sure how this applies at all.
it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....
and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...
based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Comments
It serves their political interest to find a means to work with this Pres should he be re-elected. I beleive he will be re-elected.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
you may be right who knows at this point,like I said who knows what romney will do ? but I still believe given Obama's track record so far I can't support him and truley hope that he is not reelected.
quick thouught for the people saying that we can't lump all muslims togeather....isn't that what muslims all over the world are doing to Americans ? I can almost bet my bike that if the berkinstock group here on the train went to cairo and the other places they riot (like the shit bags they are) to tell those muslims that we don't blame all muslims for their actions...they would end up dead with out a doubt.
some of the folks on the train need to wake up.
Godfather.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/v ... m2rZ.8mv2c
we all have em Bro.
Godfather.
Without a doubt, huh? I have a friend who just returned from an around-the-world trip, during which he toured extensively throughout the middle east and (to a lesser extent) north africa...he visited Cairo and particpated in protests in Ramallah (west bank).....and he was greeted with open arms and made a lot of friends doing it.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=194387&p=4582105#p4582105
It's kinda sad how, whenever you're backed into a corner, you admit that you don't really know what you're talking about, and make some little joke with a smilie, then start it all over again in the next thread....I guess it's better than some who will never admit when they're wrong...but still...you admit that you know you are misinformed by the media, and know nothing about the middle east, yet you have no problem making blanket, hateful comments in regards to it's inhabitants.
Well put DO, well put.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Drownedout
If they are not lumping all Americans together why did they kill the Ambassador and the other three people?
what makes what they did with lumping americans together any worse than what some of you are doing lumping all muslims together in this very thread??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
No, godfather doesn't have a point. And I explained why...but why bother to debate my opinion when you can just ignore the other side, right?
I asked you pointed questions at the top of page 16 and you ignored that as well. Why should I humour you with a response then? I will anyway. I asked where you were getting information about the murders. The news reports I've read state that the ambassador's death was more like murder in the third degree (unplanned), than the first. But you might as well ignore that too.
As for motive, you'd have to assume intent...doing so, my response to PJ Soul at the bottom of page 15 addressed that. I will add that, viewed from the 'other side', a US ambassador is not some benevolent bystander. He is an architect of NATO's mission in Libya - pretty obviously a target to people who view their presence as imperialist in nature. I doubt he'd have made it out alive, even if he didn't die of asphyxiation...but with the amount of conflicting information being circulated, it's impossible to know exactly why this happened. My point is that you don't know that it was a religiously motivated attack.
I say because Libyans that are Muslims lump Americans together and you cannot deny it.
Lots of people in the middle east do not hate Americans. In fact a lot of them go through quite a bit of trouble to immigrate to the US.... and aot of people in the middle east DO bate Americans. It's a diverse region.
And I have a friend at work from Sudan and he is Muslum and we have worked together for 8 years. No Americans have hurt him and we laugh together daily.....what was your point?
My point is if there is a debate going on and people do not agree with some of you, most of you start to try and accuse people of bigotry, ignorance, and just get really rude.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Because they are killing innocent people, and it is not the first time....
2) I think this thread is pretty calm cool and collected, and fairly respectful, given the subject.
We have Constitution that gives us the right to say what ever we want. When they do something I don't like I am not going out and find the first Muslim I can find and kill them....
When people on here insult my God I don't see you calling for respect then. Why?
Because my invisible man in the sky IS better than yours.
It would be nice if we had respect for all people not just the ones your afraid might go kill people....
Huh?
I'm not really sure how this applies at all.
and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...
based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."