U.S. embassy in Cairo apologizes

Jason P

PJ_Soul wrote:

Absolutely. It's something... we'll see if anyone who is flipping out will listen. Since their actions seem rather beyond reason, I am somewhat doubtful that a voice of reason will get through very well, but I guess you never know.

He seems to have maintained peace and order pretty well so far and has captured the hearts of his .... wait, what? Is this the same guy who had to sentence his Vice President to Death? :think:

EdsonNascimento

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

I'm not trying to interpret this, but can you clarify? Are you actually suggesting 5 is a potentially good idea?

And how about 1 being - protecing our citizens, especially those stationed at an at risk embassy and not letting others do it? And 2 - not giving any creedance whatsoever that whatever was posted should not be posted. They should be able to post whatever the hell it is they want to. That's why these folks hate Americans. We're free. They're not. Allowing stupidity to exhibit itself in a non-violent way is part of freedom.

pandora

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

Probably #4

I would not squelch freedom of speech,
like a smart poster mentioned in a closed thread...
something to the effect....
"toughen up on the insults, what religion has not been made fun of?"

I think I would punish them with no allowance for awhile

PJ_Soul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

I'm not trying to interpret this, but can you clarify? Are you actually suggesting 5 is a potentially good idea?

And how about 1 being - protecing our citizens, especially those stationed at an at risk embassy and not letting others do it? And 2 - not giving any creedance whatsoever that whatever was posted should not be posted. They should be able to post whatever the hell it is they want to. That's why these folks hate Americans. We're free. They're not. Allowing stupidity to exhibit itself in a non-violent way is part of freedom.

Oh right. I forgot about #5... I don't think there is anything wrong with telling someone to shut the fuck up. Just with forcing them to shut the fuck up. Unless you're talking about the dissemination of hate propaganda... which is arguable here. There IS a line that can be crossed when it comes to freedom of speech... I don't know enough about hate crime laws or the video in question or the circumstances around its production to say whether or not any line has been crossed.

EdsonNascimento

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

Probably #4

I would not squelch freedom of speech,
like a smart poster mentioned in a closed thread...
something to the effect....
"toughen up on the insults, what religion has not been made fun of?"

I think I would punish them with no allowance for awhile

4 is a great idea when the folks you're dealing with are playing by some sort of rules. Here in the real world, unfortunately, Harvey the Rabbit doesn't really exist.

pandora

EdsonNascimento wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

Probably #4

I would not squelch freedom of speech,
like a smart poster mentioned in a closed thread...
something to the effect....
"toughen up on the insults, what religion has not been made fun of?"

I think I would punish them with no allowance for awhile

4 is a great idea when the folks you're dealing with are playing by some sort of rules. Here in the real world, unfortunately, Harvey the Rabbit doesn't really exist.

Ah, but our President might believe in him I think he will remain diplomatic
depending of course how far this goes.

josevolution

EdsonNascimento wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

I'm not trying to interpret this, but can you clarify? Are you actually suggesting 5 is a potentially good idea?

And how about 1 being - protecing our citizens, especially those stationed at an at risk embassy and not letting others do it? And 2 - not giving any creedance whatsoever that whatever was posted should not be posted. They should be able to post whatever the hell it is they want to. That's why these folks hate Americans. We're free. They're not. Allowing stupidity to exhibit itself in a non-violent way is part of freedom.

Ok i'm just trying to gauge what people here wan't from the president i agree with your number 1, and yeah can someone tell that fuckturd pastor to just go and die some where all he ever does is spew hatred towards the Muslim Community ...

PJ_Soul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

Probably #4

I would not squelch freedom of speech,
like a smart poster mentioned in a closed thread...
something to the effect....
"toughen up on the insults, what religion has not been made fun of?"

I think I would punish them with no allowance for awhile

4 is a great idea when the folks you're dealing with are playing by some sort of rules. Here in the real world, unfortunately, Harvey the Rabbit doesn't really exist.

Yeah, but you don't go around starting wars against governments over something citizens did without any connection to the government.

I agree that they've got to toughen up against the insults... I don't understand where the insecurity comes from... If they believe in Mohammed so much, you wouldn't think it would matter if others satirized or dissed him. You'd think that their "knowledge" that all the rest of us are going to hell or whatever would be satisfaction enough. If they could look at it that way, they'd save themselves a lot of energy and anger.

EdsonNascimento

josevolution wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

josevolution wrote:

So what do you expect from the president ...

1-Withdraw all monetary help
2-Invade and take over Egypt
3- Nuke it get ride of all of them ..
4- Be diplomatic
please feel free to add to the list of things you would do as President of the biggest power house in the world ..

5- Find the nut case film maker and asshole florida pastor and tell them to shut the fuck up once and for all ...

I'm not trying to interpret this, but can you clarify? Are you actually suggesting 5 is a potentially good idea?

And how about 1 being - protecing our citizens, especially those stationed at an at risk embassy and not letting others do it? And 2 - not giving any creedance whatsoever that whatever was posted should not be posted. They should be able to post whatever the hell it is they want to. That's why these folks hate Americans. We're free. They're not. Allowing stupidity to exhibit itself in a non-violent way is part of freedom.

Ok i'm just trying to gauge what people here wan't from the president i agree with your number 1, and yeah can someone tell that fuckturd pastor to just go and die some where all he ever does is spew hatred towards the Muslim Community ...

Why? Who cares? There's hatred about "my community" on this very board every day. Who cares? It's non-violent. I agree he's an idiot. But, so what?

Careful where you start to draw your lines. You might find yourself on the other side.

PJ_Soul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

josevolution wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

I'm not trying to interpret this, but can you clarify? Are you actually suggesting 5 is a potentially good idea?

And how about 1 being - protecing our citizens, especially those stationed at an at risk embassy and not letting others do it? And 2 - not giving any creedance whatsoever that whatever was posted should not be posted. They should be able to post whatever the hell it is they want to. That's why these folks hate Americans. We're free. They're not. Allowing stupidity to exhibit itself in a non-violent way is part of freedom.

Ok i'm just trying to gauge what people here wan't from the president i agree with your number 1, and yeah can someone tell that fuckturd pastor to just go and die some where all he ever does is spew hatred towards the Muslim Community ...

Why? Who cares? There's hatred about "my community" on this very board every day. Who cares? It's non-violent. I agree he's an idiot. But, so what?

Careful where you start to draw your lines. You might find yourself on the other side.

Agreed... again, as long as that line is the starting point for incitement of hate crimes. Outside of that, I don't know why in the fuck everyone gets so hot and bothered about "being offended." I've posted it before, but I'll post it again:

The only people who should be stopped are the ones destroying shit and hurting or killing people because they're offended.

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

EdsonNascimento wrote:

pandora wrote:

Probably #4

I would not squelch freedom of speech,
like a smart poster mentioned in a closed thread...
something to the effect....
"toughen up on the insults, what religion has not been made fun of?"

I think I would punish them with no allowance for awhile

4 is a great idea when the folks you're dealing with are playing by some sort of rules. Here in the real world, unfortunately, Harvey the Rabbit doesn't really exist.

Yeah, but you don't go around starting wars against governments over something citizens did without any connection to the government.

I agree that they've got to toughen up against the insults... I don't understand where the insecurity comes from... If they believe in Mohammed so much, you wouldn't think it would matter if others satirized or dissed him. You'd think that their "knowledge" that all the rest of us are going to hell or whatever would be satisfaction enough. If they could look at it that way, they'd save themselves a lot of energy and anger.

I agree on both counts and it's times like this I am glad,
being the independent that I am, that President Obama is in office.
Now if I were a conspiracy theorist I would say good going Obama campaign...
but that is too horrible to consider and I am not one to think like this.

This could prove to be not only a diversion to the economy
as the champaign clock ticks along, but a feather in a cap if this is handled really well.


Time will tell...

josevolution

I hear you Edson but everytime that Pastor gets in the news it stirrs shit up but your right can't overreact to this kind of bullshit ..

PJ_Soul

josevolution wrote:

I hear you Edson but everytime that Pastor gets in the news it stirrs shit up but your right can't overreact to this kind of bullshit ..

So I wonder at what point someone CAN overreact and stop his speech? What if he keeps doing this shit and it's ACTUALLY going to initiate a war or another coordinated attack on America? How far does the US take this constitutional right?

pandora

We have freedom of speech period...

but I have a feeling a President could persuade someone if need be ...
I know I'd can it if he asked me to ...
no smart remarks please

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

We have freedom of speech period...

but I have a feeling a President could persuade someone if need be ...
I know I'd can it if he asked me to ...
no smart remarks please

Well, we don't have freedom of speech period though. When someone decides it's treason we don't. When someone decides it's inciting violence we don't. When someone decides it's slander we don't ... It's not completely black and white.

josevolution

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I hear you Edson but everytime that Pastor gets in the news it stirrs shit up but your right can't overreact to this kind of bullshit ..

So I wonder at what point someone CAN overreact and stop his speech? What if he keeps doing this shit and it's ACTUALLY going to initiate a war or another coordinated attack on America? How far does the US take this constitutional right?

Yeah that is what i'm thinking at what point does he cross the line in hi's hatred for the muslim world ...

EdsonNascimento

josevolution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I hear you Edson but everytime that Pastor gets in the news it stirrs shit up but your right can't overreact to this kind of bullshit ..

So I wonder at what point someone CAN overreact and stop his speech? What if he keeps doing this shit and it's ACTUALLY going to initiate a war or another coordinated attack on America? How far does the US take this constitutional right?

Yeah that is what i'm thinking at what point does he cross the line in hi's hatred for the muslim world ...

We should all be fighting to protect his rights. As deplorable as he is, all the more important. This line of thought is not just silly, it's dangerous. We're now supposed to regulate our freedoms based on what someone else thinks, threatens or does? We might as well pack up shop in that case.

PJ_Soul

EdsonNascimento wrote:

josevolution wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

So I wonder at what point someone CAN overreact and stop his speech? What if he keeps doing this shit and it's ACTUALLY going to initiate a war or another coordinated attack on America? How far does the US take this constitutional right?

Yeah that is what i'm thinking at what point does he cross the line in hi's hatred for the muslim world ...

We should all be fighting to protect his rights. As deplorable as he is, all the more important. This line of thought is not just silly, it's dangerous. We're now supposed to regulate our freedoms based on what someone else thinks, threatens or does? We might as well pack up shop in that case.

Once again, I wouldn't make that claim until I know that what he's done isn't legally hate speech. I don't know that right now, so will not take a side at this point.
But I do think that pure black and white just doesn't work, and I think that applies to freedom of speech (which I take very seriously). It is NOT that simple.

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

We have freedom of speech period...

but I have a feeling a President could persuade someone if need be ...
I know I'd can it if he asked me to ...
no smart remarks please

Well, we don't have freedom of speech period though. When someone decides it's treason we don't. When someone decides it's inciting violence we don't. When someone decides it's slander we don't ... It's not completely black and white.

Yes, national security, justice, personal safety...
I guess this is all after the fact though,
like the filmmaker is now in trouble for perhaps a probation violation
and the trailer is to be reviewed by you tube, maybe removed?

So we can all speak freely but know the consequences of our actions.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

We have freedom of speech period...

but I have a feeling a President could persuade someone if need be ...
I know I'd can it if he asked me to ...
no smart remarks please

Well, we don't have freedom of speech period though. When someone decides it's treason we don't. When someone decides it's inciting violence we don't. When someone decides it's slander we don't ... It's not completely black and white.

Yes, national security, justice, personal safety...
I guess this is all after the fact though,
like the filmmaker is now in trouble for perhaps a probation violation
and the trailer is to be reviewed by you tube, maybe removed?

So we can all speak freely but know the consequences of our actions.

Yes... the thing is also that freedom of speech doesn't mean that we all have to just accept whatever anyone ever says without criticism and outrage. All it means is that the person speaking doesn't get prosecuted by the law. We can trash and shit all over anything that anyone has to say (just makes me think of all the times I've seen people crap all over other around here for strongly disagreeing with and insulting someone else's opinion... I actually don't see ANYTHING wrong with doing that, and I don't know why it's such a no-no, assuming you don't start calling the person names).
But again... would I prefer that this asshole's hate propaganda gets priority over avoiding a WAR? No. I don't. And I don't find that dangerous, because 1) the slippery slope argument is almost always bullshit, and 2) it's only about 1 times in a billion where something someone says actually starts a massive violent protest or a war. I do understand why people would disagree with me here though, and I don't come to this opinion lightly.