our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
Huh?
I'm not really sure how this applies at all.
it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....
and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...
based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....
:think: And the plot thickens...
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
it is not any sort of a plot. i am just saying that she would know better than to let someone use her name in any situation that would make her look uninformed or feel uncomfortable...
she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...
if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
it is not any sort of a plot. i am just saying that she would know better than to let someone use her name in any situation that would make her look uninformed or feel uncomfortable...
she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...
if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....
I was just kidding. I'm new around here - I have no idea who you are talking about!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
I can't believe you are taking this position.
I know, we cannot judge as Americans. We do not understand other cultures. If mass riots take place and people die because a cartoon offends someone, how be it for us to understand. The artist is at fault.
I wonder what Trey Parker and Matt Stone's thoughts are?
The movie was posted in July. So the movie reasoning was BS.........
So they just wanted to remind us they still want us dead!
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KABUL, Afghanistan – Hundreds of protesters demonstrating against an anti-Islam film torched a press club and a government building in northwest Pakistan on Monday, sparking clashes with police that left at least one person dead. Demonstrations also turned violent outside a U.S. military base in Afghanistan and the U.S. Embassy in Indonesia.
The attacks were the latest in a week-long wave of violence sparked by the low-budget film, which portrays Islam's Prophet Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a child molester. Many of the protests have targeted U.S. diplomatic posts throughout the Muslim world, including one that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya, forcing Washington to ramp up security in select countries.
Protesters have directed their anger at the U.S. government even though the film was privately produced and American officials have criticized it for intentionally offending Muslims.
In Afghanistan, hundreds of people burned cars and threw rocks at a U.S. military base in the capital, Kabul. Many in the crowd shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to those people who have made a film and insulted our prophet."
Police officers shot into the air to hold back about crowd of about 800 protesters and to prevent them from pushing toward government buildings downtown, said Azizullah, a police officer at the site who, like many Afghans, only goes by one name.
More than 20 police officers were slightly injured, most of them hit by rocks, said Gen. Fahim Qaim, the commander of a city quick-reaction police force.
Later in the day, protests broke out in other areas of Kabul, including the main thoroughfare into the city, where demonstrators burned shipping containers and tires. The crowd torched at least one police vehicle before finally dispersing, according Daoud Amin, the deputy police chief for Kabul province.
At a separate protest in front of a mosque in southwest Kabul, several dozen people shouted anti-U.S. slogans and called for President Barack Obama to bring those who have insulted the prophet to justice.
The rallies will continue "until the people who made the film go to trial," said one of the protesters, Wahidullah Hotak.
A number of Afghan religious leaders urged calm.
"Our responsibility is to show a peaceful reaction, to hold peaceful protests. Do not harm people, their property or public property," said Karimullah Saqib, a cleric in Kabul.
The Afghan government has blocked video-sharing website YouTube to prevent Afghans from viewing a clip of the anti-Muslim film. Officials have said it will remain blocked until the video is taken down. Other Google services, including Gmail, were also blocked in Afghanistan during much of the weekend and access continued to be denied on some providers Monday.
Several hundred demonstrators in Pakistan's northwest also clashed with police Monday after setting fire to a press club and a government building, said police official Mukhtar Ahmed. The protesters apparently attacked the press club in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province's Upper Dir district because they were angry their rally wasn't getting more coverage, he said.
Police charged the crowd, beating protesters back with batons, Ahmad said. The demonstrators then attacked the office of a senior government official and surrounded a local police station, said Ahmad, who was had locked himself inside with several other officers.
One protester died when police and demonstrators exchanged fire and several others were wounded, police official Akhtar Hayat said.
The violence came a day after hundreds of protesters clashed with police when they tried to storm the U.S. Consulate in the southern city of Karachi. One protester was killed and over a dozen were wounded.
Pakistanis have also held many peaceful protests against the film, including one in the southwest town of Chaman on Monday attended by around 3,000 students and teachers.
In Jakarta, hundreds of Indonesians angered over the film clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy, hurling rocks and firebombs and setting tires alight outside the mission, marking the first violence seen in the world's most populous Muslim country since international outrage over the film exploded last week.
At least 10 police were rushed to the hospital after being pelted with rocks and attacked with bamboo sticks, said Jakarta Police Chief Maj. Gen. Untung Rajad. He said four protesters were arrested and one was hospitalized.
Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and also tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy after ripping a water hose off the vehicle and torching it, sending plumes of black smoke billowing into the sky. Police used a bullhorn to appeal for calm and deployed water cannons and tear gas to try to disperse the crowd as the protesters shouted "Allah Akbar," or God is great.
"We will destroy America like this flag!" a protester screamed while burning a U.S. flag. "We will chase away the American ambassador from the country!"
Demonstrations were also held Monday in the Indonesian cities of Medan and Bandung. Over the weekend in the central Java town of Solo, protesters stormed KFC and McDonald's restaurants, forcing customers to leave and management to close the stores.
The wave of international violence began last Tuesday when mainly Islamist protesters climbed the U.S. Embassy walls in the Egyptian capital of Cairo and tore down the American flag from a pole in the courtyard.
The U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, was killed Tuesday along with three other Americans, as violent protesters stormed the consulate in Benghazi. Protesters have also stormed the U.S. Embassies in Tunis and Yemen and held violent demonstrations outside other posts.
well lets back out...stop all support for anybody in the middle east send any middle easterner(muslims) in the US home that feel they need to demonstrate or burn buildings and kill people...round em all up send em home so they can demonstrate till their hearts content then after they have totaly destroyed their own citys and towns and need monitary and military support we can tell them to fuck off...but we'll buy your oil for $2 a barrel....
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
Huh?
I'm not really sure how this applies at all.
it definitely applies... our freedom of speech does not apply across country, cultural, and spiritual lines....
and let's be completely honest with everyone on the forum.....laura, aka, hippemom, would not appreciate your use of her beloved and most hallowed screen name to advance your position on the issues of our time...
based on my numerous late night conversations with her i think she would have something to say about that....
1) Of course Freedom of speech doesn't apply to other countries...if you say something in another country and it's against their laws, you can get in trouble. But again, I have no idea how this applies to this at all.
2) You are way out of line, as usual. I'm not using anyone to "advance my position on the issues". I just really respected her even when we disagreed. And I'm not sorry if that offends you.
on this day september 17-2012 I hereby announce my withdrall from the race FOR president of the United States of America and without futher delay offer my support to Cincybearcat (hippie mom goodess)
Obama administration dispatches UN Ambassador Susan Rice to defend theory that attack last week on US Consulate in Benghazi, left, was a 'spontaneous' act, while Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif and other Libyan officials insist the attack was a planned assault, possibly by an Al Qaeda-tied group, and that Obama administration's position is 'completely unfounded and preposterous.'
[foxnews]
on this day september 17-2012 I hereby announce my withdrall from the race FOR president of the United States of America and without futher delay offer my support to Cincybearcat (hippie mom goodess)
on this day september 17-2012 I hereby announce my withdrall from the race FOR president of the United States of America and without futher delay offer my support to Cincybearcat (hippie mom goodess)
she just set you straight Gimmi...ya gotta admit
Godfather.
She??? It's cincy as in Cincinnati ; not cindy!!!
it's the Hippie Mom Goodness that throws people off.
on this day september 17-2012 I hereby announce my withdrall from the race FOR president of the United States of America and without futher delay offer my support to Cincybearcat (hippie mom goodess)
she just set you straight Gimmi...ya gotta admit
Godfather.
She??? It's cincy as in Cincinnati ; not cindy!!!
excuse me for not paying attention....... but anyway great post
on this day september 17-2012 I hereby announce my withdrall from the race FOR president of the United States of America and without futher delay offer my support to Cincybearcat (hippie mom goodess)
she just set you straight Gimmi...ya gotta admit
Godfather.
She??? It's cincy as in Cincinnati ; not cindy!!!
I totally always assumed you were female because of the cincy!
I also always think of usamamasan as a woman for some reason. I think it's the "mama".
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I totally always assumed you were female because of the cincy!
I also always think of usamamasan as a woman for some reason. I think it's the "mama".
Yep, you aren't the first. The best was when me and a guy that is actually now a friend from the board (even flow?), we use to get into it a bit, and we both thought the other was a lady!!!
I do wish that dude came around here more often again.
An intelligence source on the ground in Libya told Fox News that there was no demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi prior to last week's attack -- challenging the Obama administration's claims that the assault grew out of a "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film.
"There was no protest and the attacks were not spontaneous," the source said, adding the attack "was planned and had nothing to do with the movie."
The source said the assault came with no warning at about 9:35 p.m. local time, and included fire from more than two locations. The assault included RPG's and mortar fire, the source said, and consisted of two waves.
The account that the attack started suddenly backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack.
"There wasn't a single ant outside," the unnamed guard, who was being treated in a hospital, said in the interview.
These details appear to conflict with accounts from the Obama administration that the attack spawned from an out-of-control protest. The Libyan president also said Sunday that the strike was planned in advance.
But a senior Obama administration official told Fox News on Monday morning that the Libyan president's comments are not consistent with "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community," which has been investigating the incident, and are accordingly not credible.
"He doesn't have the information we have," the U.S. official said of Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif. ""He doesn't have the (data) collection potential that we have."
The Libyan leader told CBS News' "Face the Nation" on Sunday that the government in Tripoli harbors "no doubt" that the Sept. 11 attack that killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was "preplanned, predetermined." That assessment conflicted directly with the preliminary conclusion offered on Sunday by U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, who appeared on all five Sunday morning talk shows.
There, Rice maintained that the Benghazi incident "was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo, as a consequence of the video," and that after the protest outside the U.S. consulate gathered steam, "those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons."
Asked if the timing of the Benghazi incident - the eleventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks -- was simply a coincidence, the senior U.S. official said on Monday: "It is coincidental. All evidence we have points to this video being the spark of these events. In all of the intel and traffic, there was no one out there saying, 'Oh, it's September 11th, we must avenge...'"
The senior U.S. official added that this is "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community at this point," and that Rice "was not out there volunteering her own opinions."
The official also discounted as "not accurate" reports that staff at U.S. embassy in Egypt warned the State Department -- in a cable purportedly sent on the afternoon of Sept. 10 -- about the effect the anti-Islam video was having, and the likelihood of violent protests in Cairo, but received no response from Washington.
"There was cable traffic, involving discussion of the video and the potential for protests, the Embassy was aware," the U.S. official told Fox News. "There were discussions about protests between the relevant agencies -- intel and State -- but the idea that there was no response from State is false."
Officials at the State Department and the White House continue to express satisfaction with the cooperation they are receiving from foreign governments in the protection of American diplomats and their families. This is said to be especially the case in those instances where President Obama has reached out to foreign heads of state, namely Egypt, Yemen and Libya.
Still, the State Department over the weekend -- in a shift of plans that occurred sometime after Friday evening -- announced the evacuation of diplomats' family members and "non-essential" personnel from U.S. Embassies in Tunisia and Sudan, sites of some of the most violent scenes on Friday.
An intelligence source on the ground in Libya told Fox News that there was no demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi prior to last week's attack -- challenging the Obama administration's claims that the assault grew out of a "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film.
"There was no protest and the attacks were not spontaneous," the source said, adding the attack "was planned and had nothing to do with the movie."
The source said the assault came with no warning at about 9:35 p.m. local time, and included fire from more than two locations. The assault included RPG's and mortar fire, the source said, and consisted of two waves.
The account that the attack started suddenly backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack.
"There wasn't a single ant outside," the unnamed guard, who was being treated in a hospital, said in the interview.
These details appear to conflict with accounts from the Obama administration that the attack spawned from an out-of-control protest. The Libyan president also said Sunday that the strike was planned in advance.
But a senior Obama administration official told Fox News on Monday morning that the Libyan president's comments are not consistent with "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community," which has been investigating the incident, and are accordingly not credible.
"He doesn't have the information we have," the U.S. official said of Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif. ""He doesn't have the (data) collection potential that we have."
The Libyan leader told CBS News' "Face the Nation" on Sunday that the government in Tripoli harbors "no doubt" that the Sept. 11 attack that killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was "preplanned, predetermined." That assessment conflicted directly with the preliminary conclusion offered on Sunday by U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, who appeared on all five Sunday morning talk shows.
There, Rice maintained that the Benghazi incident "was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo, as a consequence of the video," and that after the protest outside the U.S. consulate gathered steam, "those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons."
Asked if the timing of the Benghazi incident - the eleventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks -- was simply a coincidence, the senior U.S. official said on Monday: "It is coincidental. All evidence we have points to this video being the spark of these events. In all of the intel and traffic, there was no one out there saying, 'Oh, it's September 11th, we must avenge...'"
The senior U.S. official added that this is "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community at this point," and that Rice "was not out there volunteering her own opinions."
The official also discounted as "not accurate" reports that staff at U.S. embassy in Egypt warned the State Department -- in a cable purportedly sent on the afternoon of Sept. 10 -- about the effect the anti-Islam video was having, and the likelihood of violent protests in Cairo, but received no response from Washington.
"There was cable traffic, involving discussion of the video and the potential for protests, the Embassy was aware," the U.S. official told Fox News. "There were discussions about protests between the relevant agencies -- intel and State -- but the idea that there was no response from State is false."
Officials at the State Department and the White House continue to express satisfaction with the cooperation they are receiving from foreign governments in the protection of American diplomats and their families. This is said to be especially the case in those instances where President Obama has reached out to foreign heads of state, namely Egypt, Yemen and Libya.
Still, the State Department over the weekend -- in a shift of plans that occurred sometime after Friday evening -- announced the evacuation of diplomats' family members and "non-essential" personnel from U.S. Embassies in Tunisia and Sudan, sites of some of the most violent scenes on Friday.
but if it's fact then these islamic protesters are thin skinned low life pieces of shit..all that aside wouldn't you guys think that there might be just a little more the story that a low budget movie ?
it is not any sort of a plot. i am just saying that she would know better than to let someone use her name in any situation that would make her look uninformed or feel uncomfortable...
she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...
if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....
I have to know, what were you drinking and how much did you have?
Where did anyone post any of that nonsense you are spouting off about?
I know, we cannot judge as Americans. We do not understand other cultures. If mass riots take place and people die because a cartoon offends someone, how be it for us to understand. The artist is at fault.
I wonder what Trey Parker and Matt Stone's thoughts are?
:fp:
we alone choose to be offended. if someone calls me a crazy racist godless whore, i can choose to be offended.... however it is more than likely ill dismiss the supposed offensive blurt as ignorant and choose not to be offended cause what was said about me simply isnt true. no one can offend you unless you allow it.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
our first amendment does not apply to all countries and cultures.
if someone says something that insults people in a foreign country and a different culture, in their land, that is not protected speech and they are liable for their words.
we have to stop seeing the world only through american eyes. there are more people in this world than just americans.
youre correct your first amendment doesant apply to other countries... however a lot of other countries have that same freedom of speech, some like my own without benefit of a bill of rights... it is simply a given that australians can say whatever the hell they like. but they also have to be responsible for those words. we have seen examples of this last weekend with the disgraceful actions of some during protests sparked by innocence of muslimswhere police were very interested in speaking with the mother of a child who was photographed holding a particularly offensive sign. she has since fronted up at a police station to speak with police about what many saw as repulsive. so sure say what you want or write it on a placard but dont think for a minute you wont be held accountable. and lets also not forget that this film was made with the intent to be offensive to muslims. and by that measure it succeeded wildly. should we stop people from making offensive material? i dont think so... but what we should do is let it be known that it is unacceptable. just because we can doesnt mean we should.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.
(note: go to The Onion for the picture. link left out due to all ages forum)
WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.
(note: go to The Onion for the picture. link left out due to all ages forum)
Don’t mistake freedom’s fringe for Muslim mainstream
DOUG SAUNDERS
The Globe and Mail
Published Saturday, Sep. 15 2012, 2:00 AM EDT
Last updated Sunday, Sep. 16 2012, 12:37 PM EDT
After this week’s violence in the Middle East, two things are apparent. First, a lot of Arabs in the region believe that “the United States” created a video mocking the Prophet Mohammed. And second, a lot of people in North America believe that “Egypt” and “Libya” attacked U.S. diplomatic outposts and killed an American ambassador.
Few protesters in Cairo or Benghazi believed that the video Innocence of Muslims could have been created by a largely unknown group of anti-Muslim activists in California, a group so obscure that it took U.S. reporters more than a day to identify them – or that this network of bigots could be allowed to exist simply because American laws protect freedom of speech. This could only be a direct product of Washington.
After all, this was, until recently, how things worked in their own countries. If something was allowed to exist in Egypt or Libya, the authoritarian government must have encouraged it to exist. Ergo, this wasn’t some fringe oddball in California offending them; it could only have been the United States assaulting them.
Likewise, many Americans, including prominent ones, simply could not believe that a consulate or embassy could be stormed by anti-American protesters without the active consent, and likely direct involvement, of the country’s government. These attacks prove that America has “lost Egypt” or “been betrayed by Libya,” commentators wrote, likening this week’s relatively small-scope protests to Iran’s 1979 revolution.
“These are not acts of senseless violence,” Newt Gingrich wrote on the day of the attacks. “These are acts of war.” Even as the Libyan people were hailing U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens as a hero of their democratic revolution and denouncing his fringe killers, Donald Trump expressed the view of many Republicans by writing on Twitter: “An attack on our Embassy is an attack on our soil. We have been attacked by Libya.”
It should hardly be necessary to point out that the Arab Spring remains largely a success, that these attacks are an aberration and, at best, a poorly organized effort to slow its momentum. But there are large and alarming constituencies of extremists who remain a threat, backed by some members of a confused and ill-informed public who can easily be swayed.
Also, the United States is home to a dangerous and increasingly well-funded movement of anti-Muslim conspiracy theorists, although they remain shunned by the current leaders of both major political parties and the majority of the public.
We need to take three lessons from this week’s events.
The first is that both Arab and Western citizens – and sometimes politicians – are failing to appreciate the polyphonic nature of democratic nations. This has always been a problem for the U.S. and its neighbours: One-note nations such as Russia and Iran have never really believed that every political statement, protest march and YouTube video emerging from a diverse Western country isn’t orchestrated by the national government.
But now it’s also a problem for the new Arab democracies. Suddenly, they are large, and contain multitudes. They have become polyphonic. We should not mistake the signal from the noise, even when things become very noisy, indeed.
The second is to realize that the new freedoms – both political and electronic – allow the most obscure and marginal figures to dominate the agenda. Those in Benghazi who killed the ambassador do not represent any main current in Libya (where secular liberal democrats dominated this summer’s election). The anti-Muslim activists in the U.S. have failed to seize either major party’s agenda. But both groups have come to “represent” their countries on the world stage – by using the Internet, social media and television to bypass conventional politics.
The third is to realize that, as a result of this, these fringe movements are increasingly threatening, far out of proportion of their actual numbers, not just within their small sphere of action but on a larger stage. The past decade has seen a largely unnoticed ascent of the circle of xenophobic activists behind the short film that triggered this violence, their rise into mainstream politics, and the failure of mainstream conservatives to confront and denounce them.
Likewise, the liberal and Islamist parties of newly democratic Arab states have failed to confront the more radical Salafists and jihadists in their midst. By pretending that the violent few are irrelevant, these parties have allowed them to set the international agenda, and have threatened their own credibility.
This is a new, wide-open world – one whose freedoms, if we aren’t careful, can easily be seized and abused.
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
she would be very angry if it were posted that someone like mitt romney had her best interests at heart..... because anyone on earth that knew her would know that nothing that mitt romney and paul ryan had to say would ever make her support them... those assholes would have taken away her health insurance...
if you don't believe me pm me and i will explain....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I know, we cannot judge as Americans. We do not understand other cultures. If mass riots take place and people die because a cartoon offends someone, how be it for us to understand. The artist is at fault.
I wonder what Trey Parker and Matt Stone's thoughts are?
:fp:
well played terrorists ... now what are the candidates saying? :oops:
So they just wanted to remind us they still want us dead!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The attacks were the latest in a week-long wave of violence sparked by the low-budget film, which portrays Islam's Prophet Muhammad as a fraud, a womanizer and a child molester. Many of the protests have targeted U.S. diplomatic posts throughout the Muslim world, including one that killed the U.S. ambassador to Libya, forcing Washington to ramp up security in select countries.
Protesters have directed their anger at the U.S. government even though the film was privately produced and American officials have criticized it for intentionally offending Muslims.
In Afghanistan, hundreds of people burned cars and threw rocks at a U.S. military base in the capital, Kabul. Many in the crowd shouted "Death to America!" and "Death to those people who have made a film and insulted our prophet."
Police officers shot into the air to hold back about crowd of about 800 protesters and to prevent them from pushing toward government buildings downtown, said Azizullah, a police officer at the site who, like many Afghans, only goes by one name.
More than 20 police officers were slightly injured, most of them hit by rocks, said Gen. Fahim Qaim, the commander of a city quick-reaction police force.
Later in the day, protests broke out in other areas of Kabul, including the main thoroughfare into the city, where demonstrators burned shipping containers and tires. The crowd torched at least one police vehicle before finally dispersing, according Daoud Amin, the deputy police chief for Kabul province.
At a separate protest in front of a mosque in southwest Kabul, several dozen people shouted anti-U.S. slogans and called for President Barack Obama to bring those who have insulted the prophet to justice.
The rallies will continue "until the people who made the film go to trial," said one of the protesters, Wahidullah Hotak.
A number of Afghan religious leaders urged calm.
"Our responsibility is to show a peaceful reaction, to hold peaceful protests. Do not harm people, their property or public property," said Karimullah Saqib, a cleric in Kabul.
The Afghan government has blocked video-sharing website YouTube to prevent Afghans from viewing a clip of the anti-Muslim film. Officials have said it will remain blocked until the video is taken down. Other Google services, including Gmail, were also blocked in Afghanistan during much of the weekend and access continued to be denied on some providers Monday.
Several hundred demonstrators in Pakistan's northwest also clashed with police Monday after setting fire to a press club and a government building, said police official Mukhtar Ahmed. The protesters apparently attacked the press club in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province's Upper Dir district because they were angry their rally wasn't getting more coverage, he said.
Police charged the crowd, beating protesters back with batons, Ahmad said. The demonstrators then attacked the office of a senior government official and surrounded a local police station, said Ahmad, who was had locked himself inside with several other officers.
One protester died when police and demonstrators exchanged fire and several others were wounded, police official Akhtar Hayat said.
The violence came a day after hundreds of protesters clashed with police when they tried to storm the U.S. Consulate in the southern city of Karachi. One protester was killed and over a dozen were wounded.
Pakistanis have also held many peaceful protests against the film, including one in the southwest town of Chaman on Monday attended by around 3,000 students and teachers.
In Jakarta, hundreds of Indonesians angered over the film clashed with police outside the U.S. Embassy, hurling rocks and firebombs and setting tires alight outside the mission, marking the first violence seen in the world's most populous Muslim country since international outrage over the film exploded last week.
At least 10 police were rushed to the hospital after being pelted with rocks and attacked with bamboo sticks, said Jakarta Police Chief Maj. Gen. Untung Rajad. He said four protesters were arrested and one was hospitalized.
Demonstrators burned a picture of President Barack Obama and also tried to ignite a fire truck parked outside the embassy after ripping a water hose off the vehicle and torching it, sending plumes of black smoke billowing into the sky. Police used a bullhorn to appeal for calm and deployed water cannons and tear gas to try to disperse the crowd as the protesters shouted "Allah Akbar," or God is great.
"We will destroy America like this flag!" a protester screamed while burning a U.S. flag. "We will chase away the American ambassador from the country!"
Demonstrations were also held Monday in the Indonesian cities of Medan and Bandung. Over the weekend in the central Java town of Solo, protesters stormed KFC and McDonald's restaurants, forcing customers to leave and management to close the stores.
The wave of international violence began last Tuesday when mainly Islamist protesters climbed the U.S. Embassy walls in the Egyptian capital of Cairo and tore down the American flag from a pole in the courtyard.
The U.S. Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, was killed Tuesday along with three other Americans, as violent protesters stormed the consulate in Benghazi. Protesters have also stormed the U.S. Embassies in Tunis and Yemen and held violent demonstrations outside other posts.
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well lets back out...stop all support for anybody in the middle east send any middle easterner(muslims) in the US home that feel they need to demonstrate or burn buildings and kill people...round em all up send em home so they can demonstrate till their hearts content then after they have totaly destroyed their own citys and towns and need monitary and military support we can tell them to fuck off...but we'll buy your oil for $2 a barrel....
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1) Of course Freedom of speech doesn't apply to other countries...if you say something in another country and it's against their laws, you can get in trouble. But again, I have no idea how this applies to this at all.
2) You are way out of line, as usual. I'm not using anyone to "advance my position on the issues". I just really respected her even when we disagreed. And I'm not sorry if that offends you.
she just set you straight Gimmi...ya gotta admit
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She??? It's cincy as in Cincinnati ; not cindy!!!
excuse me for not paying attention.......
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I also always think of usamamasan as a woman for some reason. I think it's the "mama".
Yep, you aren't the first.
I do wish that dude came around here more often again.
I caught some of Susan Rice's interview yesterday...as Prince is so fond of saying..."meh".
Hippiemom, on the other hand - yep, she was goodness and then some.
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An intelligence source on the ground in Libya told Fox News that there was no demonstration outside the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi prior to last week's attack -- challenging the Obama administration's claims that the assault grew out of a "spontaneous" protest against an anti-Islam film.
"There was no protest and the attacks were not spontaneous," the source said, adding the attack "was planned and had nothing to do with the movie."
The source said the assault came with no warning at about 9:35 p.m. local time, and included fire from more than two locations. The assault included RPG's and mortar fire, the source said, and consisted of two waves.
The account that the attack started suddenly backs up claims by a purported Libyan security guard who told McClatchy Newspapers late last week that the area was quiet before the attack.
"There wasn't a single ant outside," the unnamed guard, who was being treated in a hospital, said in the interview.
These details appear to conflict with accounts from the Obama administration that the attack spawned from an out-of-control protest. The Libyan president also said Sunday that the strike was planned in advance.
But a senior Obama administration official told Fox News on Monday morning that the Libyan president's comments are not consistent with "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community," which has been investigating the incident, and are accordingly not credible.
"He doesn't have the information we have," the U.S. official said of Libyan President Mohammed el-Megarif. ""He doesn't have the (data) collection potential that we have."
The Libyan leader told CBS News' "Face the Nation" on Sunday that the government in Tripoli harbors "no doubt" that the Sept. 11 attack that killed U.S. ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans was "preplanned, predetermined." That assessment conflicted directly with the preliminary conclusion offered on Sunday by U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice, who appeared on all five Sunday morning talk shows.
There, Rice maintained that the Benghazi incident "was a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired in Cairo, as a consequence of the video," and that after the protest outside the U.S. consulate gathered steam, "those with extremist ties joined the fray and came with heavy weapons."
Asked if the timing of the Benghazi incident - the eleventh anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks -- was simply a coincidence, the senior U.S. official said on Monday: "It is coincidental. All evidence we have points to this video being the spark of these events. In all of the intel and traffic, there was no one out there saying, 'Oh, it's September 11th, we must avenge...'"
The senior U.S. official added that this is "the consensus view of the U.S. intelligence community at this point," and that Rice "was not out there volunteering her own opinions."
The official also discounted as "not accurate" reports that staff at U.S. embassy in Egypt warned the State Department -- in a cable purportedly sent on the afternoon of Sept. 10 -- about the effect the anti-Islam video was having, and the likelihood of violent protests in Cairo, but received no response from Washington.
"There was cable traffic, involving discussion of the video and the potential for protests, the Embassy was aware," the U.S. official told Fox News. "There were discussions about protests between the relevant agencies -- intel and State -- but the idea that there was no response from State is false."
Officials at the State Department and the White House continue to express satisfaction with the cooperation they are receiving from foreign governments in the protection of American diplomats and their families. This is said to be especially the case in those instances where President Obama has reached out to foreign heads of state, namely Egypt, Yemen and Libya.
Still, the State Department over the weekend -- in a shift of plans that occurred sometime after Friday evening -- announced the evacuation of diplomats' family members and "non-essential" personnel from U.S. Embassies in Tunisia and Sudan, sites of some of the most violent scenes on Friday.
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http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/17/world/ant ... ?hpt=wo_c1
but if it's fact then these islamic protesters are thin skinned low life pieces of shit..all that aside wouldn't you guys think that there might be just a little more the story that a low budget movie ?
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I have to know, what were you drinking and how much did you have?
Where did anyone post any of that nonsense you are spouting off about?
we alone choose to be offended. if someone calls me a crazy racist godless whore, i can choose to be offended.... however it is more than likely ill dismiss the supposed offensive blurt as ignorant and choose not to be offended cause what was said about me simply isnt true. no one can offend you unless you allow it.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
youre correct your first amendment doesant apply to other countries... however a lot of other countries have that same freedom of speech, some like my own without benefit of a bill of rights... it is simply a given that australians can say whatever the hell they like. but they also have to be responsible for those words. we have seen examples of this last weekend with the disgraceful actions of some during protests sparked by innocence of muslimswhere police were very interested in speaking with the mother of a child who was photographed holding a particularly offensive sign. she has since fronted up at a police station to speak with police about what many saw as repulsive. so sure say what you want or write it on a placard but dont think for a minute you wont be held accountable. and lets also not forget that this film was made with the intent to be offensive to muslims. and by that measure it succeeded wildly. should we stop people from making offensive material? i dont think so... but what we should do is let it be known that it is unacceptable. just because we can doesnt mean we should.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
http://video.foxnews.com/v/1846122729001/
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WASHINGTON—Following the publication of the image above, in which the most cherished figures from multiple religious faiths were depicted engaging in a lascivious sex act of considerable depravity, no one was murdered, beaten, or had their lives threatened, sources reported Thursday. The image of the Hebrew prophet Moses high-fiving Jesus Christ as both are having their erect penises vigorously masturbated by Ganesha, all while the Hindu deity anally penetrates Buddha with his fist, reportedly went online at 6:45 p.m. EDT, after which not a single bomb threat was made against the organization responsible, nor did the person who created the cartoon go home fearing for his life in any way. Though some members of the Jewish, Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist faiths were reportedly offended by the image, sources confirmed that upon seeing it, they simply shook their heads, rolled their eyes, and continued on with their day.
(note: go to The Onion for the picture. link left out due to all ages forum)
most people are civil that way......some are not.
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Don’t mistake freedom’s fringe for Muslim mainstream
DOUG SAUNDERS
The Globe and Mail
Published Saturday, Sep. 15 2012, 2:00 AM EDT
Last updated Sunday, Sep. 16 2012, 12:37 PM EDT
After this week’s violence in the Middle East, two things are apparent. First, a lot of Arabs in the region believe that “the United States” created a video mocking the Prophet Mohammed. And second, a lot of people in North America believe that “Egypt” and “Libya” attacked U.S. diplomatic outposts and killed an American ambassador.
Few protesters in Cairo or Benghazi believed that the video Innocence of Muslims could have been created by a largely unknown group of anti-Muslim activists in California, a group so obscure that it took U.S. reporters more than a day to identify them – or that this network of bigots could be allowed to exist simply because American laws protect freedom of speech. This could only be a direct product of Washington.
After all, this was, until recently, how things worked in their own countries. If something was allowed to exist in Egypt or Libya, the authoritarian government must have encouraged it to exist. Ergo, this wasn’t some fringe oddball in California offending them; it could only have been the United States assaulting them.
Likewise, many Americans, including prominent ones, simply could not believe that a consulate or embassy could be stormed by anti-American protesters without the active consent, and likely direct involvement, of the country’s government. These attacks prove that America has “lost Egypt” or “been betrayed by Libya,” commentators wrote, likening this week’s relatively small-scope protests to Iran’s 1979 revolution.
“These are not acts of senseless violence,” Newt Gingrich wrote on the day of the attacks. “These are acts of war.” Even as the Libyan people were hailing U.S. ambassador Christopher Stevens as a hero of their democratic revolution and denouncing his fringe killers, Donald Trump expressed the view of many Republicans by writing on Twitter: “An attack on our Embassy is an attack on our soil. We have been attacked by Libya.”
It should hardly be necessary to point out that the Arab Spring remains largely a success, that these attacks are an aberration and, at best, a poorly organized effort to slow its momentum. But there are large and alarming constituencies of extremists who remain a threat, backed by some members of a confused and ill-informed public who can easily be swayed.
Also, the United States is home to a dangerous and increasingly well-funded movement of anti-Muslim conspiracy theorists, although they remain shunned by the current leaders of both major political parties and the majority of the public.
We need to take three lessons from this week’s events.
The first is that both Arab and Western citizens – and sometimes politicians – are failing to appreciate the polyphonic nature of democratic nations. This has always been a problem for the U.S. and its neighbours: One-note nations such as Russia and Iran have never really believed that every political statement, protest march and YouTube video emerging from a diverse Western country isn’t orchestrated by the national government.
But now it’s also a problem for the new Arab democracies. Suddenly, they are large, and contain multitudes. They have become polyphonic. We should not mistake the signal from the noise, even when things become very noisy, indeed.
The second is to realize that the new freedoms – both political and electronic – allow the most obscure and marginal figures to dominate the agenda. Those in Benghazi who killed the ambassador do not represent any main current in Libya (where secular liberal democrats dominated this summer’s election). The anti-Muslim activists in the U.S. have failed to seize either major party’s agenda. But both groups have come to “represent” their countries on the world stage – by using the Internet, social media and television to bypass conventional politics.
The third is to realize that, as a result of this, these fringe movements are increasingly threatening, far out of proportion of their actual numbers, not just within their small sphere of action but on a larger stage. The past decade has seen a largely unnoticed ascent of the circle of xenophobic activists behind the short film that triggered this violence, their rise into mainstream politics, and the failure of mainstream conservatives to confront and denounce them.
Likewise, the liberal and Islamist parties of newly democratic Arab states have failed to confront the more radical Salafists and jihadists in their midst. By pretending that the violent few are irrelevant, these parties have allowed them to set the international agenda, and have threatened their own credibility.
This is a new, wide-open world – one whose freedoms, if we aren’t careful, can easily be seized and abused.
Because cooler heads are prevailing.