Chicago Public School Teachers on Strike...

kelly311

cincybearcat wrote:

81 wrote:

i think only people with kids should pay for schools/teachers/admins/pensions

I certainly see where you are coming from. Though, I don't think it's a bad investment in your neighborhood and can help drive your property value up.

If that is the case though, you should have to pay an extra fee as soon as your kid enters the school system...to help contribute to all that value that was created while you sat back and didn't participate. Seat license fees!!!

While I certainly understand your frustration (I don't have kids either), I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.

DS1119

SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:

Personally, I would be willing to bet $10...
That 50% of those Chicago Public School teachers, would NOT be able to install a simple window unit air-conditioner.

kelly311

81 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

IDEA 2004.

perhaps that needs to be changed.

That's a federal law that has been around for quite sometime. 2004 is the latest authorization. Probably not going anywhere anytime soon.

DS1119

BinauralJam wrote:

Hey now, that's a thought!
Want an education kid?
Google it ya little bastard.
As long as it doesn't hit my wallet!
Usamamasan and Ds do have a point.

Exactly. Privatize it. Take it out of the government's hands. You want to send your kid to school...you pay for it.

81

kelly311 wrote:

I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.

that's working out well in large parts of the city.

DS1119

81 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.

that's working out well in large parts of EVERY city.

fixed

Cliffy6745

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.

that's working out well in large parts of EVERY city.

fixed

So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?

kelly311

DS1119 wrote:

81 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.

that's working out well in large parts of EVERY city.

fixed

Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.

BinauralJam

DS1119 wrote:

BinauralJam wrote:

Hey now, that's a thought!
Want an education kid?
Google it ya little bastard.
As long as it doesn't hit my wallet!
Usamamasan and Ds do have a point.

Exactly. Privatize it. Take it out of the government's hands. You want to send your kid to school...you pay for it.

:think: one problem with this is property value and taxes, depending on the school district they can have a drastic effect.

81

kelly311 wrote:

Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.

cut 25% of the admininstrative system....and then cut pensions.

hedonist

All due respect to the teachers out there who actually care, I think I've become a bit jaded lately with seeing the alarmingly high number of teachers and school employees in LA County who've fucked with their students. I don't understand how unions can protect the jobs of these people while their crimes are "being investigated" (one teacher had videotape of him feeding his young charges spoonfuls of his semen while said young charges were bound. Why was he being paid while this was looked into? Why is his pension still in place?).

All, no matter the profession, should be held accountable. I like what inlet (I think it was inlet) said, to paraphrase, about if one child fails it's their fault but one has to look at the performance of the class at large in order to judge a teacher's performance.

There ARE some shitty teachers who have mentally or otherwise checked out. There should be means in place to see who they are, attempt to make corrections, and tenured or not, if they're not doing their job, then they're cut.

The above doesn't absolve parents of their responsibility at all, by the way.

DS1119

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?

You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.

DS1119

kelly311 wrote:

Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.

So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.

fife

DS1119 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?

You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.

yes that the right answer. donate your money screw robbing people of their taxes. and if you want to be a teacher then best be prepared to not get paid for your job. :roll:

81

DS1119 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.

So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.

poor people can't afford cops. :fp:

fife

DS1119 wrote:

kelly311 wrote:

Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.

So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.

so you have no problem paying for more cops on the street but more teachers in the schools you say no to?

cincybearcat

Well, this discussion sure went downhill fast.

81

seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.

now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.

i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....

Cliffy6745

cincybearcat wrote:

Well, this discussion sure went downhill fast.

Always a common denominator

hedonist

81 wrote:

seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.

now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.

i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....

I think that's an excellent starting place. Just one factor, but I think the most important.

And small-town has nothing to do with it! I grew up in the heart of Los Angeles and my parents had the same expectations of my sister and me.

(for the most part, we did not disappoint )