i think only people with kids should pay for schools/teachers/admins/pensions
I certainly see where you are coming from. Though, I don't think it's a bad investment in your neighborhood and can help drive your property value up.
If that is the case though, you should have to pay an extra fee as soon as your kid enters the school system...to help contribute to all that value that was created while you sat back and didn't participate. Seat license fees!!!
While I certainly understand your frustration (I don't have kids either), I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.
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Personally, I would be willing to bet $10...
That 50% of those Chicago Public School teachers, would NOT be able to install a simple window unit air-conditioner.
I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.
that's working out well in large parts of EVERY city.
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Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
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Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
cut 25% of the admininstrative system....and then cut pensions.
All due respect to the teachers out there who actually care, I think I've become a bit jaded lately with seeing the alarmingly high number of teachers and school employees in LA County who've fucked with their students. I don't understand how unions can protect the jobs of these people while their crimes are "being investigated" (one teacher had videotape of him feeding his young charges spoonfuls of his semen while said young charges were bound. Why was he being paid while this was looked into? Why is his pension still in place?).
All, no matter the profession, should be held accountable. I like what inlet (I think it was inlet) said, to paraphrase, about if one child fails it's their fault but one has to look at the performance of the class at large in order to judge a teacher's performance.
There ARE some shitty teachers who have mentally or otherwise checked out. There should be means in place to see who they are, attempt to make corrections, and tenured or not, if they're not doing their job, then they're cut.
The above doesn't absolve parents of their responsibility at all, by the way.
So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?
You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.
Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.
So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?
You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.
yes that the right answer. donate your money screw robbing people of their taxes. and if you want to be a teacher then best be prepared to not get paid for your job. :roll:
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Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.
Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.
so you have no problem paying for more cops on the street but more teachers in the schools you say no to?
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seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
I think that's an excellent starting place. Just one factor, but I think the most important.
And small-town has nothing to do with it! I grew up in the heart of Los Angeles and my parents had the same expectations of my sister and me.
seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
I agree with you somewhat. Parents do have to take a bigger interested in their children education. I think what we also have to realized is that kids don't just learn in school.
seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
I come from a family of academics, so I certainly was rasied knowing the importance of education. That said...
That is exactly why I feel this country is the way it is. If you give everyone the opportunity for an equal education, people will begin to see the value of said education, they will then instill the value of education in their children and so on. Will it fix overnight? Hell no. It will take generations. But until we stop pretending we are educating our poor, how can we expect anything different out of them? How can we expect an uneducated poor person who saw no value in education to act any differently? In my opinion, fixing the school system will help to fix the parents.
seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
The Union even stated that judging their performance on standardized test scores wasn't fair because they couldn't control the child and what influences the child outside the classroom.
The root of the problem is right in our face yet we choose to ignore it.
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hey teachers.....get the out of the loop....you are screwing with people trying to get home from work. :fp:
just got a call from the woman that shit is clogged up in the loop with teachers.....i told her to start throwing elbows.
Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.
I never said it was. I have stated MULTIPLE times that I am fine with little or no raises. I would rather the money be used to fix the education system responsibly. However, CPS chooses to increase adminstrative costs by 50 million dollars and often spends money wastefully. I also agree that more cops are needed. There has been a steady decrease in number on the police force over the past few years and I think our crime rates show that. That does not negate the fact that education is important.
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seriously, if you want to fix the school system, you need to fix the parents.
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
I think that's an excellent starting place. Just one factor, but I think the most important.
And small-town has nothing to do with it! I grew up in the heart of Los Angeles and my parents had the same expectations of my sister and me.
(for the most part, we did not disappoint )
I agree with both of you. I was born and raised in the city and never had any issues in school. But I also had parents who made sure that I did my homework, got me to school every day, talked with my teachers, etc.
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i asked how you suggest handling that because test scores is a b.s method of doing that.
Why?
Now, it shouldn't be the only thing, but shouldn't it be part of it? Why are you teaching them?
i'm teaching them to help them become successful members of society. Certainly not to pass a test. Secondly many factors come in to play. The students at my school tend to perform horribly on the state tests and it has little to do with the efforts, hard work, dedication, skill or professionalism of myself or any other teacher in my school. Its completely unfair to assess my performance based on these test scores.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?
You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.
yes that the right answer. donate your money screw robbing people of their taxes. and if you want to be a teacher then best be prepared to not get paid for your job. :roll:
People can always choose not to be teachers and if too many choose not to, simple supply and demand comes into play. But for teachers to use the fact their educational system is failing becasue they aren't paid enough? :fp:
Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then? I say more police presence is the answer. Make it desirable for that kid to go to school and not hang out on a street corner. Put a cop on every corner instead of more money in teachers pockets and watch what happens to the crime rate.
so you have no problem paying for more cops on the street but more teachers in the schools you say no to?
Yes. I would rahter have my tax dollars going toward a police presence then pad teacher's pockets when their system is already failing. If the teacher's want to fight for more money for resources to educate...that's one thing. But to demand pay raises when the job isn't alrady being done. How does a pay raise make them do their job any better? It won't. It's an excuse.
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While I certainly understand your frustration (I don't have kids either), I always remember that it is cheaper and more worthwhile to educate than it is to incarcerate.
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That's a federal law that has been around for quite sometime. 2004 is the latest authorization. Probably not going anywhere anytime soon.
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Exactly. Privatize it. Take it out of the government's hands. You want to send your kid to school...you pay for it.
that's working out well in large parts of the city.
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So what is your solution to fix it and educate our poor?
Well let's stop educating those who cannot afford it and see what the crime rate is then. The fact of the matter is we live in the most corrupt state in the nation. We are 49th in spending for education. The education system here and across the country is a mess. I don't think there are any easy answers or alternatives.
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:think: one problem with this is property value and taxes, depending on the school district they can have a drastic effect.
cut 25% of the admininstrative system....and then cut pensions.
All, no matter the profession, should be held accountable. I like what inlet (I think it was inlet) said, to paraphrase, about if one child fails it's their fault but one has to look at the performance of the class at large in order to judge a teacher's performance.
There ARE some shitty teachers who have mentally or otherwise checked out. There should be means in place to see who they are, attempt to make corrections, and tenured or not, if they're not doing their job, then they're cut.
The above doesn't absolve parents of their responsibility at all, by the way.
You and others can always donate your money to the educational system instead of it being mandated by ever increasing school taxes. Also educators that feel so strongly about it "being about the kids" can always donate their time.
So giving teachers raises is the answer then?
yes that the right answer. donate your money screw robbing people of their taxes. and if you want to be a teacher then best be prepared to not get paid for your job. :roll:
poor people can't afford cops. :fp:
so you have no problem paying for more cops on the street but more teachers in the schools you say no to?
now, i'm a bit screwy, maybe because i came from small town rural america where it was expected that you go to school and for the most part, parents cared if you were skipping.
i don't sense that alot of parents here care what their kids are doing.....
Always a common denominator
And small-town has nothing to do with it! I grew up in the heart of Los Angeles and my parents had the same expectations of my sister and me.
(for the most part, we did not disappoint
I agree with you somewhat. Parents do have to take a bigger interested in their children education. I think what we also have to realized is that kids don't just learn in school.
I come from a family of academics, so I certainly was rasied knowing the importance of education. That said...
That is exactly why I feel this country is the way it is. If you give everyone the opportunity for an equal education, people will begin to see the value of said education, they will then instill the value of education in their children and so on. Will it fix overnight? Hell no. It will take generations. But until we stop pretending we are educating our poor, how can we expect anything different out of them? How can we expect an uneducated poor person who saw no value in education to act any differently? In my opinion, fixing the school system will help to fix the parents.
The root of the problem is right in our face yet we choose to ignore it.
just got a call from the woman that shit is clogged up in the loop with teachers.....i told her to start throwing elbows.
I never said it was. I have stated MULTIPLE times that I am fine with little or no raises. I would rather the money be used to fix the education system responsibly. However, CPS chooses to increase adminstrative costs by 50 million dollars and often spends money wastefully. I also agree that more cops are needed. There has been a steady decrease in number on the police force over the past few years and I think our crime rates show that. That does not negate the fact that education is important.
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I agree with both of you. I was born and raised in the city and never had any issues in school. But I also had parents who made sure that I did my homework, got me to school every day, talked with my teachers, etc.
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People can always choose not to be teachers and if too many choose not to, simple supply and demand comes into play. But for teachers to use the fact their educational system is failing becasue they aren't paid enough? :fp:
Yes. I would rahter have my tax dollars going toward a police presence then pad teacher's pockets when their system is already failing. If the teacher's want to fight for more money for resources to educate...that's one thing. But to demand pay raises when the job isn't alrady being done. How does a pay raise make them do their job any better? It won't. It's an excuse.