That is true and and noble thing to do. But don't come back and use it as an argument for a higher salary then though....it kinda looks like " Hey look at this nice thing I did, now pay me back!!!!"
This b.s. pisses me off. Sorry, but it does. So teachers are supposed to sacrifice everything and live the life of a buddhist monk? I have a family also. Yes, i'm in it for the kids, but i can't afford to work for free. Honestly, i buy little more than i have to. i refuse to largely because of attitudes like above. For some reason i'm just expected to and i better not whine about my pitiful salary.
I think you misunderstood what I said. And I don't think you read any of my other comments regarding teaching supplies.
No noisemakers, megaphones, yelling...just waving to cars and pedestrians.
Not necessary? I respect your opinion, but disagree. I'm not really sure why any student would be disturbed by this. I have heard many parents explaining the situation to their children. As a teacher, it is not my place to do so.
Not sure why this would be disturbing? Seriously?
You and my child just had 3 months off. Back to school for 4 days and then off again with no return planned. I can't even tell my daughter when school is going to be back on. Her teachers are outside all wearing T-shirts that were obviously made weeks ago. I would hope to god, that a qualified CPS teacher would fully understand why this may be disturbing to a 6 year old. You may think the parents are all on your side, but please use some sense, your CTU argument is losing on my street very, VERY rapidly.[/quote]
I am not your child's teacher. It is not my responsibility, nor do I have the right to speak to your child about this situation. That is your job. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am not intelligent enough to understand you. I have been respectful of you, however I have had different experiences, and thus have a different opinion. I have not had the past 3 months off, as you stated, nor am I naive enough to think that all parrents and community members support the teachers. I am simply stating what I personally hope for this all to accomplish (as quickly as possible).
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Of course its MY fault if they don't pass some fuckin' test.
If that kid doesn't pass a test - it's their fault. If the class at large isn't learning anything - it's your fault. Your being paid to do "something". Every single job gets monitored for performance. Teachers should too, particularly when our tax money is being used to pay them $70K+ (before benefits) on average with 2 months vacation.
Public school teachers shouldn't be making more than college professors. That's about it.
i don't make anywhere near 70,000. i know several college professors and they all make FAR more than i do. How do you suggest my performance is "monitored"? Test Scores? In comparison to what? The school across town? Nonsense.
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
No noisemakers, megaphones, yelling...just waving to cars and pedestrians.
Not necessary? I respect your opinion, but disagree. I'm not really sure why any student would be disturbed by this. I have heard many parents explaining the situation to their children. As a teacher, it is not my place to do so.
Not sure why this would be disturbing? Seriously?
You and my child just had 3 months off. Back to school for 4 days and then off again with no return planned. I can't even tell my daughter when school is going to be back on. Her teachers are outside all wearing T-shirts that were obviously made weeks ago. I would hope to god, that a qualified CPS teacher would fully understand why this may be disturbing to a 6 year old. You may think the parents are all on your side, but please use some sense, your CTU argument is losing on my street very, VERY rapidly.
I am not your child's teacher. It is not my responsibility, nor do I have the right to speak to your child about this situation. That is your job. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am not intelligent enough to understand you. I have been respectful of you, however I have had different experiences, and thus have a different opinion. I have not had the past 3 months off, as you stated, nor am I naive enough to think that all parrents and community members support the teachers. I am simply stating what I personally hope for this all to accomplish (as quickly as possible).[/quote]
OK. I wont discuss how this strike is disturbing to my daughter. You and every other teacher on the news or in the media is stating you are doing this for the children. Yet I've asked you in 3 separate post now, what my daughter will benefit from on this strike. Please, in all seriousness, what will the children, my daughter gain from this strike?
Striking is the only way we are going to get the things that the students need. My students, in particular, need their IEPs to be honored, as they are legal documents. Yet CPS continues to violate special education laws regarding least restrictive environment, class size, access to paraprofessional support, and receiving clinical minutes. If teachers complain, they often get nowhere or get fired.
If these types of things are not in a contract, they will not be enforced. I can only speak for myself, but I could care less about benefits, salary bumps, etc.
It's ridiculous for any teacher to live in fear of speaking up about IEP law violations. Those are legal documents that are in place to make sure that the special education students receive the services and supports they need. The only reason I really support tenure is because of this issue. Speaking up against things that are being done incorrectly or illegally should never be cause for termination/demotion, but I know it happens quite frequently to teachers who are not yet tenured. That's why I'm keeping my mouth shut for the most part until my tenure begins in 2014.
While this is the right thing to do, I've talked to many parents where school districts don't know the IEP laws and have set limits for students and parents, wrongfully so. It truly is up to parents to do their homework about IEP laws because it is not first and foremost on the minds of teachers. No disrespect or anything, but us parents are the number one advocates for our kids, and expecting the teachers to have the students' backs isn't really all that realistic. I just find it really depressing that as a society, we let money issues get in the way of educating our kids. And that's really what this strike is about.
Oh believe me, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I can't tell you how many parents I've told that too (that they are their child's best advocate). Unfortunately, many parents are unwilling or unable to advocate. I have gone as far as to give parents specific directions on what to do, but if there is no follow through, there is little I can do. I have nothing but respect for parents who do their research and fight for what their child needs.
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I am not your child's teacher. It is not my responsibility, nor do I have the right to speak to your child about this situation. That is your job. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am not intelligent enough to understand you. I have been respectful of you, however I have had different experiences, and thus have a different opinion. I have not had the past 3 months off, as you stated, nor am I naive enough to think that all parrents and community members support the teachers. I am simply stating what I personally hope for this all to accomplish (as quickly as possible).[/quote]
OK. I wont discuss how this strike is disturbing to my daughter. You and every other teacher on the news or in the media is stating you are doing this for the children. Yet I've asked you in 3 separate post now, what my daughter will benefit from on this strike. Please, in all seriousness, what will the children, my daughter gain from this strike?[/quote]
Since the contract has not been finalized, I cannot answer that question with exact terms. However, some of the things that are on the table for all students, not just your daughter.
- lower class sizes
-teachers and text books in the classroom on day one (seriously this is an issue in some schools)
-more money for classroom supplies
- Better Access to supplementary services, such as social work, counselors, speech, occupational, and physical therapies.
-More arts and enrichment activities (art, library, gym, music)
-Safe buildings
-Recess and a proper lunch period
Now these may not pertain to you. You may live in a more affluent area that already receives many of these things. However, in many areas of the city, students go without these things.
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Of course its MY fault if they don't pass some fuckin' test.
If that kid doesn't pass a test - it's their fault. If the class at large isn't learning anything - it's your fault. Your being paid to do "something". Every single job gets monitored for performance. Teachers should too, particularly when our tax money is being used to pay them $70K+ (before benefits) on average with 2 months vacation.
Public school teachers shouldn't be making more than college professors. That's about it.
i don't make anywhere near 70,000. i know several college professors and they all make FAR more than i do. How do you suggest my performance is "monitored"? Test Scores? In comparison to what? The school across town? Nonsense.
College professor pay depends on the school. But, yes there are many that make below $60K, some even below $50K.
Well since you keep bringing it up, how much do you make?
Nonsense to be monitored? This attitude is exactly what's wrong here. The "give me more money, with no accountability and no fears of being let-go" mantra... during a fucking economic disaster that's being compounded by government debt... and oh- you're a government employee on the government payroll who wants more money, contributing to more gov't debt.
Yet, the rational of why the general public finds these things frustrating is confusing to teachers and their unions.
It seems you are saying they do not have recess. Is that correct?
And for lunch, what is a "proper lunch period"?
Most CPS schools have not had recess until this year and only 20 minutes to get and eat their lunch due to an old contract. They now have 45 minutes for lunch and recess daily. I think this is great for teachers and students, even if it doesn't directly impact me.
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Since the contract has not been finalized, I cannot answer that question with exact terms. However, some of the things that are on the table for all students, not just your daughter.
- lower class sizes
Reading between the lines this means more teachers, at these $70K salaries plus benefits and retirement, which means more debt for a broke city.
Now these may not pertain to you. You may live in a more affluent area that already receives many of these things. However, in many areas of the city, students go without these things.
Yet, their teachers make on average the highest teaching salary in the nation.
Since the contract has not been finalized, I cannot answer that question with exact terms. However, some of the things that are on the table for all students, not just your daughter.
- lower class sizes
Reading between the lines this means more teachers, at these $70K salaries plus benefits and retirement, which means more debt for a broke city.
Now these may not pertain to you. You may live in a more affluent area that already receives many of these things. However, in many areas of the city, students go without these things.
Yet, their teachers make on average the highest teaching salary in the nation.
There is plenty of money there. For instance, the central office budget went up by 50 million dollars this year. Also, the diverted TIF money should be used for education, not the cronies of city officials. They need to use the money they get in a better way. I have no qulams with no or minimal raises, provided the money would be used for these types of things, which the schools are obligated to provide legally.
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It seems you are saying they do not have recess. Is that correct?
And for lunch, what is a "proper lunch period"?
Most CPS schools have not had recess until this year and only 20 minutes to get and eat their lunch due to an old contract. They now have 45 minutes for lunch and recess daily. I think this is great for teachers and students, even if it doesn't directly impact me.
Holy crap!!! My daughter (kindergarten) only gets about 20 minutes for lunch. I like the change to 45, a bit long, but better than 20!!!
Since the contract has not been finalized, I cannot answer that question with exact terms. However, some of the things that are on the table for all students, not just your daughter.
- lower class sizes
Reading between the lines this means more teachers, at these $70K salaries plus benefits and retirement, which means more debt for a broke city.
Now these may not pertain to you. You may live in a more affluent area that already receives many of these things. However, in many areas of the city, students go without these things.
Yet, their teachers make on average the highest teaching salary in the nation.
There is plenty of money there. For instance, the central office budget went up by 50 million dollars this year. Also, the diverted TIF money should be used for education, not the cronies of city officials. They need to use the money they get in a better way. I have no qulams with no or minimal raises, provided the money would be used for these types of things, which the schools are obligated to provide legally.
I see where you both are coming from. I do think some of these are more "need to do" and sveral are "nice to do's", but in an economic crisis where $ is short, those "nice to do's" gotta go.
College professor pay depends on the school. But, yes there are many that make below $60K, some even below $50K.
Well since you keep bringing it up, how much do you make?
Nonsense to be monitored? This attitude is exactly what's wrong here. The "give me more money, with no accountability and no fears of being let-go" mantra... during a fucking economic disaster that's being compounded by government debt... and oh- you're a government employee on the government payroll who wants more money, contributing to more gov't debt.
Yet, the rational of why the general public finds these things frustrating is confusing to teachers and their unions.
i make none of your business per year. Annually. suffice it to say all of your above figures are above the mark.
i didn't say there should be no monitoring or accountability. i asked how you suggest handling that because test scores is a b.s method of doing that. Comparing my students performance to the students across town is also b.s. Apples and oranges. Its an unfair means of assessment. So, how?
"When all your friends and sedatives mean well but make it worse... better find yourself a place to level out."
There is plenty of money there. For instance, the central office budget went up by 50 million dollars this year. Also, the diverted TIF money should be used for education, not the cronies of city officials. They need to use the money they get in a better way. I have no qulams with no or minimal raises, provided the money would be used for these types of things, which the schools are obligated to provide legally.
Not sure I agree -
The state of IL and the city of Chicago are broke. They have $665 million deficit, which is the reason they levied property taxes at their highest rate allowable by law. The school system emptied their rainy day fund/reserves. Then there's the pensions that they can't pay for. Ratings agencies have downgraded Chicago Public Schools - which will mean higher interest rates (more debt). Fitch has claimed that this strike actually worsens problems because supervision costs.
If you want to argue on "broke" go ahead, but this strike is undoubtedly not helping matters. And I think it was you who said your goal is to ensure that students succeed.
And I think it was you who said your goal is to ensure that students succeed.
Yes, but to be fair, it's longterm thinking versus short. You can;t argue that not being in the classroom helps the kids, but it is unfair to use that argument against the teachers as well. Especially after 1 day.
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i think only people with kids should pay for schools/teachers/admins/pensions
I certainly see where you are coming from. Though, I don't think it's a bad investment in your neighborhood and can help drive your property value up.
If that is the case though, you should have to pay an extra fee as soon as your kid enters the school system...to help contribute to all that value that was created while you sat back and didn't participate. Seat license fees!!!
I just want to say, seems like there has been some pretty healthy debate in this thread today, on a pretty sensitive topic. I have enjoyed following it. I don't really have anything to add.
I do think that the educational system in this country is severly broken and we need to put more money towards fixing education than wars and the like (shit we're building schools in Afghanistan in hopes of their culture improving but closing them in Philly where we need them most for our culture to improve :crazy:) , but I also don't think the majority of the teachers in this case (not speaking for the people here) are really on strike for the benefit of the kids.
A senstive topic has gone a while without breaking down though. Might be a record.
i make none of your business per year. Annually. suffice it to say all of your above figures are above the mark.
i didn't say there should be no monitoring or accountability. i asked how you suggest handling that because test scores is a b.s method of doing that. Comparing my students performance to the students across town is also b.s. Apples and oranges. Its an unfair means of assessment. So, how?
You were the one bringing up your salary over and over.I suppose you don't teach in Chicago.
Anywho... I think that everyone should be accountable in their work. A not perfect form of accountability is better than none whatsoever. So, I'd say anything is better than nothing.
Why not compare your class scores to your schools average? You get five shots to be at the lowest of the bunch. After five lowest ratings in the school, you're fired. No excuses. Another, each class is tested and compared against the schools average. If your class is below the average, you make a below the average salary for that school (by that exact percentage). If your class is above the average- you make above average salary. (by that exact percentage) That's two techniques I came up with off the top of my head. We could talk about 1000s of options.
The one option of - let them teach whatever and not be accountable at all sucks. It encourages awful teachers and shitty education. That's my take.
I see where you both are coming from. I do think some of these are more "need to do" and sveral are "nice to do's", but in an economic crisis where $ is short, those "nice to do's" gotta go.[/quote]
I understand what you're saying as well. However it is a catch-22 situation, in that if a student requires nursing, occupational therapy, speech therapy, physical therapy, social work services, etc, public school systems are mandated to provide them due to IDEA 2004.
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i think only people with kids should pay for schools/teachers/admins/pensions
I certainly see where you are coming from. Though, I don't think it's a bad investment in your neighborhood and can help drive your property value up.
If that is the case though, you should have to pay an extra fee as soon as your kid enters the school system...to help contribute to all that value that was created while you sat back and didn't participate. Seat license fees!!!
property value up.... my village's school system rates like shit, yet i give them a shit ton of cash every year.
in fairness, i'm cool with paying something for schools. i mean, i did take advantage of my public schools as a kid, although my folks paid for it thru their taxes. it just pisses me off how much waste is in the system, and how out of control the pension system is. yeah, that's bad grammer...sue my teachers.
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I think you misunderstood what I said. And I don't think you read any of my other comments regarding teaching supplies.
Not sure why this would be disturbing? Seriously?
You and my child just had 3 months off. Back to school for 4 days and then off again with no return planned. I can't even tell my daughter when school is going to be back on. Her teachers are outside all wearing T-shirts that were obviously made weeks ago. I would hope to god, that a qualified CPS teacher would fully understand why this may be disturbing to a 6 year old. You may think the parents are all on your side, but please use some sense, your CTU argument is losing on my street very, VERY rapidly.[/quote]
I am not your child's teacher. It is not my responsibility, nor do I have the right to speak to your child about this situation. That is your job. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am not intelligent enough to understand you. I have been respectful of you, however I have had different experiences, and thus have a different opinion. I have not had the past 3 months off, as you stated, nor am I naive enough to think that all parrents and community members support the teachers. I am simply stating what I personally hope for this all to accomplish (as quickly as possible).
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I am not your child's teacher. It is not my responsibility, nor do I have the right to speak to your child about this situation. That is your job. I do not appreciate the insinuation that I am not intelligent enough to understand you. I have been respectful of you, however I have had different experiences, and thus have a different opinion. I have not had the past 3 months off, as you stated, nor am I naive enough to think that all parrents and community members support the teachers. I am simply stating what I personally hope for this all to accomplish (as quickly as possible).[/quote]
OK. I wont discuss how this strike is disturbing to my daughter. You and every other teacher on the news or in the media is stating you are doing this for the children. Yet I've asked you in 3 separate post now, what my daughter will benefit from on this strike. Please, in all seriousness, what will the children, my daughter gain from this strike?
Oh believe me, I wholeheartedly agree with you. I can't tell you how many parents I've told that too (that they are their child's best advocate). Unfortunately, many parents are unwilling or unable to advocate. I have gone as far as to give parents specific directions on what to do, but if there is no follow through, there is little I can do. I have nothing but respect for parents who do their research and fight for what their child needs.
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OK. I wont discuss how this strike is disturbing to my daughter. You and every other teacher on the news or in the media is stating you are doing this for the children. Yet I've asked you in 3 separate post now, what my daughter will benefit from on this strike. Please, in all seriousness, what will the children, my daughter gain from this strike?[/quote]
Since the contract has not been finalized, I cannot answer that question with exact terms. However, some of the things that are on the table for all students, not just your daughter.
- lower class sizes
-teachers and text books in the classroom on day one (seriously this is an issue in some schools)
-more money for classroom supplies
- Better Access to supplementary services, such as social work, counselors, speech, occupational, and physical therapies.
-More arts and enrichment activities (art, library, gym, music)
-Safe buildings
-Recess and a proper lunch period
Now these may not pertain to you. You may live in a more affluent area that already receives many of these things. However, in many areas of the city, students go without these things.
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What does this mean?
It seems you are saying they do not have recess. Is that correct?
And for lunch, what is a "proper lunch period"?
Out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs.
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College professor pay depends on the school. But, yes there are many that make below $60K, some even below $50K.
Well since you keep bringing it up, how much do you make?
Nonsense to be monitored? This attitude is exactly what's wrong here. The "give me more money, with no accountability and no fears of being let-go" mantra... during a fucking economic disaster that's being compounded by government debt... and oh- you're a government employee on the government payroll who wants more money, contributing to more gov't debt.
Yet, the rational of why the general public finds these things frustrating is confusing to teachers and their unions.
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Most CPS schools have not had recess until this year and only 20 minutes to get and eat their lunch due to an old contract. They now have 45 minutes for lunch and recess daily. I think this is great for teachers and students, even if it doesn't directly impact me.
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Reading between the lines this means more teachers, at these $70K salaries plus benefits and retirement, which means more debt for a broke city.
Are the teachers in the classroom now? They seem to be outside the classroom.
How about you lower the pay and then add that money to supplies? Since the gov't is broke.
More $ the broke gov't should pay for.
More $ to pay for the $70K salaries and additional items.
More $.
I'm fine with this one, provided it doesn't require more $.
Yet, their teachers make on average the highest teaching salary in the nation.
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There is plenty of money there. For instance, the central office budget went up by 50 million dollars this year. Also, the diverted TIF money should be used for education, not the cronies of city officials. They need to use the money they get in a better way. I have no qulams with no or minimal raises, provided the money would be used for these types of things, which the schools are obligated to provide legally.
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Holy crap!!! My daughter (kindergarten) only gets about 20 minutes for lunch. I like the change to 45, a bit long, but better than 20!!!
I see where you both are coming from. I do think some of these are more "need to do" and sveral are "nice to do's", but in an economic crisis where $ is short, those "nice to do's" gotta go.
i didn't say there should be no monitoring or accountability. i asked how you suggest handling that because test scores is a b.s method of doing that. Comparing my students performance to the students across town is also b.s. Apples and oranges. Its an unfair means of assessment. So, how?
Why?
Now, it shouldn't be the only thing, but shouldn't it be part of it? Why are you teaching them?
Not sure I agree -
The state of IL and the city of Chicago are broke. They have $665 million deficit, which is the reason they levied property taxes at their highest rate allowable by law. The school system emptied their rainy day fund/reserves. Then there's the pensions that they can't pay for. Ratings agencies have downgraded Chicago Public Schools - which will mean higher interest rates (more debt). Fitch has claimed that this strike actually worsens problems because supervision costs.
If you want to argue on "broke" go ahead, but this strike is undoubtedly not helping matters. And I think it was you who said your goal is to ensure that students succeed.
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And you should pay more for each kid you have!!!!
Yes, but to be fair, it's longterm thinking versus short. You can;t argue that not being in the classroom helps the kids, but it is unfair to use that argument against the teachers as well. Especially after 1 day.
i'm cool with that.
And if your kid smokes you pay even more!!!
I certainly see where you are coming from. Though, I don't think it's a bad investment in your neighborhood and can help drive your property value up.
If that is the case though, you should have to pay an extra fee as soon as your kid enters the school system...to help contribute to all that value that was created while you sat back and didn't participate. Seat license fees!!!
I do think that the educational system in this country is severly broken and we need to put more money towards fixing education than wars and the like (shit we're building schools in Afghanistan in hopes of their culture improving but closing them in Philly where we need them most for our culture to improve :crazy:) , but I also don't think the majority of the teachers in this case (not speaking for the people here) are really on strike for the benefit of the kids.
A senstive topic has gone a while without breaking down though. Might be a record.
I had the same thought. Though, I think it could go at any moment....someone's on the edge.
You were the one bringing up your salary over and over.I suppose you don't teach in Chicago.
Anywho... I think that everyone should be accountable in their work. A not perfect form of accountability is better than none whatsoever. So, I'd say anything is better than nothing.
Why not compare your class scores to your schools average? You get five shots to be at the lowest of the bunch. After five lowest ratings in the school, you're fired. No excuses. Another, each class is tested and compared against the schools average. If your class is below the average, you make a below the average salary for that school (by that exact percentage). If your class is above the average- you make above average salary. (by that exact percentage) That's two techniques I came up with off the top of my head. We could talk about 1000s of options.
The one option of - let them teach whatever and not be accountable at all sucks. It encourages awful teachers and shitty education. That's my take.
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I understand what you're saying as well. However it is a catch-22 situation, in that if a student requires nursing, occupational therapy, speech therapy, physical therapy, social work services, etc, public school systems are mandated to provide them due to IDEA 2004.
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property value up....
in fairness, i'm cool with paying something for schools. i mean, i did take advantage of my public schools as a kid, although my folks paid for it thru their taxes. it just pisses me off how much waste is in the system, and how out of control the pension system is. yeah, that's bad grammer...sue my teachers.
perhaps that needs to be changed.
Hey now, that's a thought!
Want an education kid?
Google it ya little bastard.
As long as it doesn't hit my wallet!
Usamamasan and Ds do have a point.