Pearl Jam to play Oracle OpenWorld

-Emma-

Gary Carter wrote:

SolarWorld wrote:

Man, Pearl Jam fans are such lame asses these days.

what was your first clue, the whiny in this thread or the cat thread or the hey girl thread??

:fp: :nono:
The hey girl thread is a joke and the PJ with Cats thread is funny...just because those threads don't appeal to your sense of humour, does not make a fan a "lame ass" for participating in those threads.


Well the band's motivation for playing for Oracle must be about money...hopefully a portion of the proceeds will go to charity.

dlymnfld

I hope PJ keeps pissing off more fans, just means I'll move up in my fan club number. Millionaires (PJ) playing for other millionaires is fine by me. Just keep making music and playing shows because that's all I care about. I am a fan of their music. Not my job to judge their decisions or beliefs.

dlymnfld

WoodenHammer wrote:

an an oracle employee, all i can say is FUCK YES!!!!

i can't make missoula because of this conference. this totally makes my day!

That's awesome!! Good for you.

eladder

pdalowsky wrote:

This thread is almost an echo of the countless threads about ticket prices over the years. We get this same old old argument about what pearl jam were like 20 years ago?

Did no one else here not grow up and evolve?  Allow their beliefs to change along the way when the world and it's continuing education opened your eyes? A lot can happen and a lot has happened in the last 20 years. Eddie doesn't climb the stage anymore or throw himself off lighting rigs. 

Yeah they took a stand 17 years ago, let's reflect on the thanks they got for doing so and not to mention the overwhelming support they were given by their peers. They were all alone without a single thanks. 17 years ago they could move countless millions of records without trying too hard. It was automatic so it's easy to see how they could afford to do those things. Now people steal their product, and now come here all pissed off that the band is going out and making money.

It's easy to say they were anti corporate all those years ago - playing not for you with anger yet using Sonys might to change their finances for ever (and I have no problem with that). No they took the major label and made them and themselves a shit load of cash. Was it right? Sure because they took the money and did what they wanted with it - countless charities have benefited. It's probably the same story this time. They could have stayed underground couldn't they? 

This isn't a show for the average fan - It'll more than likely be an hour or so. It's extracurricular and it's none of our business. And the best bit no one has a clue why they are doing it!!! Who knows - and you know what they certainly don't need to come here and explain it to people who act like they do here. 

Perhaps they arnt perfect - are you? 

You make some good points but ed throwing himself off lighting rigs and all the old school stuff would be a relevant argument if they didnt basically still communicate the same ideals now as they did then. They still send the same message out at their shows and in their music but now their actions are different. That equals hypocrisy. Evolution has nothing to do w it really. Nobodys telling them to battle tmaster, etc. the landscape has changed and fans have adjusted but to what level should we be expected to adjust and keep believing if what we see is in stark contrast to the bands message? Im far from perfect but i always enjoyed that my perception of pj was that they were pretty damn close. That perception keeps going in the wrong direction. I get that its not the end of the world and this wont dissuade me from changing course on my pursuit of attending shows and enjoying their music. It will be in my mind at times and i just think that blows. I thoroughly enjoyed the dream of them being different and it actually does effect how i perceive the world and they helped convince me that you can be successful and happy doing things YOUR way. Is this now their way? Dont worry. No therapy needed until they play the super bowl.

eladder

dlymnfld wrote:

I hope PJ keeps pissing off more fans, just means I'll move up in my fan club number. Millionaires (PJ) playing for other millionaires is fine by me. Just keep making music and playing shows because that's all I care about. I am a fan of their music. Not my job to judge their decisions or beliefs.

Not trying to argue but doesnt their music contain beliefs? And then to do something different doesnt seem hollow to you? Its a damn lyric in a song (not for you). do you just listen for mikes guitar playing? Im not being a wise guy. Maybe some fans just like to rock out. I happen to love their lyrics and message.

eladder

bootlegger10 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

But we didn't tell our bosses to fuck-off for 10 years before being offered a raise and yell at others who were accepting the raises. Also, the fans who have stood behind PJ for 20 years are more than ready to give Pearl Jam money to play a show, but PJ plays the corporate gig instead. A big slap in the face if you ask me. This show would not be an issue if PJ toured half the amount of a normal band, but they don't so everything like this becomes an issue.

I wonder who is more charitable, Bill Gates or the owner of Oracle? Bill Gates by billions and billions and billions. Who does Ed talk bad about on stage (bill gates), and who does he play corporate gigs for (Oracle)?

Anyway, there are bigger worries in the world.

Speak with your wallet then. Next PJ show that comes that you want to attend...don't go. That will show them!

I like the shows too much! You do know PJ has a monopoly, right?

Realistically, do you think fans that post on this board are going to stop going to PJ shows because of this? No. Do we think the members of PJ are bad people? No. But I think it is undeniable that a large amount of fans that stuck around after 1996 was in large part due to the integrity of the band. We stayed attached to the band because we respected them, and they made great music. We'd tell our friends that this band is different. They care about the fans and music, and making money last.

Nothing has changed about what big corporations do from 1991 until 2012 (if they aren't worse). That is why people are calling the band hypocrites.

This totally is spot on

pandora

I think it is a perfect example of how people change and grow over the decades of their lives...
Some people think views stay the same from 26 to 56 but
more often that is not the case.

I'm looking forward to 56 to 76 if I am so blessed....

Eraserhead

dlymnfld wrote:

I hope PJ keeps pissing off more fans, just means I'll move up in my fan club number.

+1

demetrios

dlymnfld wrote:

I hope PJ keeps pissing off more fans, just means I'll move up in my fan club number. Millionaires (PJ) playing for other millionaires is fine by me. Just keep making music and playing shows because that's all I care about. I am a fan of their music. Not my job to judge their decisions or beliefs.

Yeah!! Even if the rich dictators & presidents of the world who call up PJ to play secret gigs, it's all fine by us. There is no image to protect in today's society. The "bling bling" is all that matters ...

skanji32

I think Pearl Jam have their reasons for doing this show.

I think Pearl Jam also exepcts the fans to be at an intellectual level to discuss and debate the merits of all of their actions.

Good discussion all around.

logoffandgetalife

3days wrote:

I guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I remember people being upset when Backspacer was being released (partially) by Target, and again a few months ago when the Budweiser festival was announced. There have been plenty of instances where people questioned whether the band "sold out". Personally, I think it's a bit misguided to assume or imply that the band "sold out" without knowing all the facts.

There's an ad that pairs PJ with a well known and very corporate parcel delivery company. Does that mean that Stone and co are simply well paid whores for UPS? Of course not... My understanding is that UPS agreed to work with PJ on carbon offsetting (something that the band has maintained an interest in for many years).

In 2007, PJ played Lollapalooza which was sponsered by AT&T. Does that mean that PJ are in bed with AT&T? Of course not... The band was publicly critical of AT&T editing part of their show from the Lollapalooza webcast. The band also took the opportunity to criticize another corporation that weekend.

PJ has opened for the Stones on different occasions, and the Stones always have a major corporate sponsor. Does that mean that the guys are trying to weasel their way into new business opportunities. Of course not... PJ are fans and friends of the Stones, EV has worked with Ron Wood, and the two bands seemed to like the idea of pairing up.

I don't know much about their decision to play the Oracle event, but truthfully, you don't either. Maybe a friend asked them to do it. Maybe Oracle is willing to put money into a charity that Pearl Jam works with. Maybe Oracle agreed to design a server that would eliminate the next F5 "crisis". Maybe PJ felt a sudden urgency to play the Bay area asap. Maybe it's just ridiculously difficult to put on a show for thousands of fans without bumping into a major corporation somewhere along the way (wasn't that the case back in 1995?).

I can't see the logic in discounting a very active, conscientious, and charitable band for one decision they've made, especially without knowing why they made it.

I pretty much agree with this. Very well put.

NDJeff7

I think I can sum up my feelings and a few others in a few points:

- I know that it disappoints me that they don't tour much anymore (not since 2006) and that it doesn't seem as though Pearl Jam is as big a priority in their lives as it is in ours.

- Since we found out about this on an Oracle website and haven't heard anything from PJ it seems as though they're just trying to sneak in the backdoor and get a paycheck. Hopefully we get some kind of statement from someone associated with the band so this whole thing can get put into context.

- For the most part I think this is just pent up frustration from myself and others over the lack of an album for about 4 years and not really any touring for a long time. I enjoy some of the side projects and the Ed solo stuff but I really just want some PJ whether it's a summer tour or some new music. I don't think any of us expect them to tour 9 months out of the year but to go out on the road for 3 months or so over the summer and cover the country would be great to see.

boyo79

logoffandgetalife wrote:

3days wrote:

I guess I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I remember people being upset when Backspacer was being released (partially) by Target, and again a few months ago when the Budweiser festival was announced. There have been plenty of instances where people questioned whether the band "sold out". Personally, I think it's a bit misguided to assume or imply that the band "sold out" without knowing all the facts.

There's an ad that pairs PJ with a well known and very corporate parcel delivery company. Does that mean that Stone and co are simply well paid whores for UPS? Of course not... My understanding is that UPS agreed to work with PJ on carbon offsetting (something that the band has maintained an interest in for many years).

In 2007, PJ played Lollapalooza which was sponsered by AT&T. Does that mean that PJ are in bed with AT&T? Of course not... The band was publicly critical of AT&T editing part of their show from the Lollapalooza webcast. The band also took the opportunity to criticize another corporation that weekend.

PJ has opened for the Stones on different occasions, and the Stones always have a major corporate sponsor. Does that mean that the guys are trying to weasel their way into new business opportunities. Of course not... PJ are fans and friends of the Stones, EV has worked with Ron Wood, and the two bands seemed to like the idea of pairing up.

I don't know much about their decision to play the Oracle event, but truthfully, you don't either. Maybe a friend asked them to do it. Maybe Oracle is willing to put money into a charity that Pearl Jam works with. Maybe Oracle agreed to design a server that would eliminate the next F5 "crisis". Maybe PJ felt a sudden urgency to play the Bay area asap. Maybe it's just ridiculously difficult to put on a show for thousands of fans without bumping into a major corporation somewhere along the way (wasn't that the case back in 1995?).

I can't see the logic in discounting a very active, conscientious, and charitable band for one decision they've made, especially without knowing why they made it.

I pretty much agree with this. Very well put.

I agree with 3days completely. I knew there would be a fuss about this on here as soons as I heard about it but I don't get why. What's the difference between playing this event and doing a benefit gig for a politician? I simply don't care what events they do as long as they continue to make good music and tour my way every few years

elwayvedder

this can't be happening as Oct 3 isn't showing up on the PJ Tour page LOL...
http://pearljam.com/tour

Here's some more tidbits and info:
http://www.oracle.com/openworld/appreci ... 71395.html

Now who is our set list relayer and who is running the thread on the evening of 10/3?

While PJ is there, do you think Oracle can offer them some Techie tidbits and help on how to fix the forums? Please?!?!

Hugh Freaking Dillon

NDJeff7 wrote:

- Since we found out about this on an Oracle website and haven't heard anything from PJ it seems as though they're just trying to sneak in the backdoor and get a paycheck. Hopefully we get some kind of statement from someone associated with the band so this whole thing can get put into context.

we are NOT the band's board of directors or investors. they don't owe us any explanation.

this band/fanclub isn't even the first to announce its own tours to us. why the hell would anyone expect a statement regarding this to the .01% of their fanbase that trolls the message boards?

pureoc

SOLAT319 wrote:

pureoc wrote:

Disappointing for sure. So the guy who I heard give this awesome rant at Alpine in 2003

"Power to the people man.... The real people, the people that work, not the people that sit in their towers, and try to run the whole thing, thinking that we're too stupid to notice what they're doing! They get us in our little holes, and our boxes, and our cages and they show us American Idol and American Gladiators and American .... blowjob, buttfuck, whatever. And everyone watches with baited breath. Oh, who's going to get a blowjob tonight? What American's going to get a blowjob tonight? When in reality, you could be getting one yourself instead of watching the fucking TV, I don't know. I digress."

is playing a gig for almost $2400 for a company with one of the richest CEO's in the country. They certainly are entitled to do what they want, but I just don't get it. They have certainly changed. I just wonder first off, why, and second, when they decided to make this drastic change. I guess they were gradually changing but this is a real shocker to me.

I will continue to listen to them as long as they continue to make good music, but I certainly liked them more when they stood behind there F YOU to the corporate america/republican mindset.

I was at that gig and remember that talk word for word. One of my top 10 gigs for sure. And I agree with the rest of your post as well.

I absolutely loved that quote, one of my fav PJ concert moments because I agree spot on with what he said. Again they are entitled to do what they want. It just seems very opposite ends of the spectrum.

Stardog3..

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teeman

DS1119 wrote:

teeman wrote:

Obviously a big difference between corporate sponsorship of a tour and being the house band for Oracle's conference.

The Sky I Scrape has a great post that sums up how I feel.

As for dissenting opinions, I'm suprised people can look past obvious selling out and hypocritical behavior. To each their own.

Selling out. I think Lars from Metallica, it was, had a great answer about selling out. When asked he said something like "yeah, Metallca sells out every single fucking night".

Just remember if your boss comes into work tomorrow and offers you a raise...don't sell out man...turn that shit down! Stay the course!

No such luck, didn't get a big raise this morning. Also didn't get asked to do something against what I publicly preached to a loyal fan base for 20 years. That's the thing: I'll take a raise, provided it doesn't go against my beliefs.

An example: I work in marketing and advertising, and I'm pretty good at what I do. I also believe in equal rights. If someone came to me tomorrow and said I could become a millionaire by creating an ad campaign that was anti-gay marriage, I would turn down the job. Period. I don't care if they were giving a ton of money to my favorite charity or that it would only take a week and then I could go back to doing and saying whatever I want. I simply don't care, and I wouldn't do it. I'd let the marketing/advertising equivalent of Nickleback take the job.

I would find another way to "feed my family".

The band can do whatever they want and make any choices they want, but the next album better not be about standing up to the 1% (as someone else mentioned on here) or anything along those lines.

100 Pacer

my2hands

no matter what you think about them playing for oracle... or think about them selling out... there is absolutely no doubt... no question at all...

that playing ANY business conference is totally fucking lame... pathetic actually...

i can just see Ed wearing a Dead Kennedys shirt standing on stage in front of a bunch of assholes wearing "Hello, my name is Bob" stickers on their shirts...

whats next, a residency at Caesars Palace with Celine?

have fun writing the setlist Ed :roll: