Pearl Jam to play Oracle OpenWorld

primussucks

"If you hate something don't you do it too" :nono:

bootlegger10

Cliffy6745 wrote:

They don't owe anyone a damn thing. They announced one show and people decided to make arrangements based on one show being announced. That is all. No one is entitled to another show because you decided to travel however many miles.

In this case, when they've played two shows in the USA in 2011 and have only three other scheduled festival shows for 2012, the band pretty much knows people are going to be traveling from all over the place to see them in Montanta (which they are). In this case I think it would be a significant thank you from the band to play two shows as they KNOW we are traveling from all over. We are happy to do it for one show. But it would be a nice gesture from the band (which they would be paid for) to play a second show.

Pearl Jam had talent and built the band, but the fans have stuck around and supported them for 20 years. The band should be respectful to the fans and playing a second show in Montana would have been a pretty easy thing to do for the fans (which they chose not to).

CROJAM95

bootlegger10 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

They don't owe anyone a damn thing. They announced one show and people decided to make arrangements based on one show being announced. That is all. No one is entitled to another show because you decided to travel however many miles.

In this case, when they've played two shows in the USA in 2011 and have only three other scheduled festival shows for 2012, the band pretty much knows people are going to be traveling from all over the place to see them in Montanta (which they are). In this case I think it would be a significant thank you from the band to play two shows as they KNOW we are traveling from all over. We are happy to do it for one show. But it would be a nice gesture from the band (which they would be paid for) to play a second show.

Pearl Jam had talent and built the band, but the fans have stuck around and supported them for 20 years. The band should be respectful to the fans and playing a second show in Montana would have been a pretty easy thing to do for the fans (which they chose not to).

Its Montana for christs sake...when have they ever gotten 2 shows from anybody I'm sure its beautiful and all...thats exactly the reason I'm not going

Too much coin for 1 show thats over in a little over 2 hours....the feeling after would make me sick knowing I dont have another the next night.

If PJ20 was only 1 show...I woulda stayed home

Next year will be better...then I'll blow my load

bootlegger10

CROJAM95 wrote:

Its Montana for christs sake...when have they ever gotten 2 shows from anybody I'm sure its beautiful and all...thats exactly the reason I'm not going

Too much coin for 1 show thats over in a little over 2 hours....the feeling after would make me sick knowing I dont have another the next night.

If PJ20 was only 1 show...I woulda stayed home

Next year will be better...then I'll blow my load

You know, I am going to Montana and didn't really care about whether it was one show or two. I plan PJ shows around places I haven't been before and that would be fun to take a vacation around. So I'm excited to spend 4 days in Missoula getting out into nature. But when they pull out a corporate gig like this, I just can't help but wonder "what the hell?" If they need money, they have 7,000 FANS and a stage already ready to go in Montana with no additional travel costs.

CROJAM95

bootlegger10 wrote:

CROJAM95 wrote:

Its Montana for christs sake...when have they ever gotten 2 shows from anybody I'm sure its beautiful and all...thats exactly the reason I'm not going

Too much coin for 1 show thats over in a little over 2 hours....the feeling after would make me sick knowing I dont have another the next night.

If PJ20 was only 1 show...I woulda stayed home

Next year will be better...then I'll blow my load

You know, I am going to Montana and didn't really care about whether it was one show or two. I plan PJ shows around places I haven't been before and that would be fun to take a vacation around. So I'm excited to spend 4 days in Missoula getting out into nature. But when they pull out a corporate gig like this, I just can't help but wonder "what the hell?" If they need money, they have 7,000 FANS and a stage already ready to go in Montana with no additional travel costs.

I hear ya, the seeing new places part is great and Montana seems nice. I just know the way I am.... I would only drive 4-5 hours tops for a single show

just the way I am

I'm sure it will be one of those shows like Vic etc

Hugh Freaking Dillon

does everyone remember that:

Ed toured solo this year
PJ toured Europe this year
PJ has been and is almost done recording their new album this year
Brad released a new album this year
Jeff released a new album this year
Mike released new music this year
Matt recorded a new album this year and is going to be touring for it

and there are people bitching that the band isn't fucking active. sometimes they like to do their own thing. it makes PJ better when they come back to it.

eeriepadave

so what did I miss? :corn:

teeman

Hypocritical and disappointing in my opinion.

I don't care what anyone thinks of my opinion.

Cliffy6745

bootlegger10 wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

They don't owe anyone a damn thing. They announced one show and people decided to make arrangements based on one show being announced. That is all. No one is entitled to another show because you decided to travel however many miles.

In this case, when they've played two shows in the USA in 2011 and have only three other scheduled festival shows for 2012, the band pretty much knows people are going to be traveling from all over the place to see them in Montanta (which they are). In this case I think it would be a significant thank you from the band to play two shows as they KNOW we are traveling from all over. We are happy to do it for one show. But it would be a nice gesture from the band (which they would be paid for) to play a second show.

Pearl Jam had talent and built the band, but the fans have stuck around and supported them for 20 years. The band should be respectful to the fans and playing a second show in Montana would have been a pretty easy thing to do for the fans (which they chose not to).

And that is fair, but it is a lot different than saying they owe it to people. I wouldn't disagree

pjl44

teeman wrote:

Hypocritical and disappointing in my opinion.

I don't care what anyone thinks of my opinion.

Then why post it on the internet?

Edit: The potato soup I had with lunch today was quite tasty. Comment freely.

Halifax2TheMax

This band has an easier time feeding their families and paying their mortgages than any of the rest of us... that excuse... so funny.[/quote]

Class warfare. Great... hopefully your simple train of though can follow.

So I am going to bet I have more money than you. In fact it's guaranteed. Now I also have a wife, a kid, a mortgage(s), property taxes, income taxes, business expenses, and yes "food" has to be put on the table. In your uninformed world you think I have an "easier" time paying my bills because I have more money than you do. It's one of the most uninformed idea that people have about class. Yes I can afford more crap than you can but I also have to pay for more crap. I dont even run a multi million dollar business, with 6 figure expenses and tax bills.

Hopefully when you are done "cracking up" you can see how simple you are being.

"Rich" people should stop making money, they can afford everything!"

OK buddy...[/quote]

true that. I make more now than I did 20 years ago. So should PJ right? PROGRESS!
For those that don't remember, this country offers equal opportunities, not equal results.


"YOU DIDN"T BUILD THIS"[/quote]

Maybe the biggest problem I have with this is that Oracle will probably be writing off a vast proportion or percentage of the cost as a business tax write off. So, as a taxpayer I'm subsidizing the corporate love fest and a Pearl Jam show. Its almost as sickening as Bill Gates telling President Obama that government needs to do more to subsidize employee development. Ah, no Bill, Microsoft needs to invest more in their employees if they desire their employees to be "developed."

If I have to pull myself up by my boot straps, corporations need to do the same.

Peace.

PJ_Lukin

Eddie has definitely done this before. I seem to recall PJ playing for Rob Glaser besides this event, might be wrong because I am getting old and my memory sucks.
http://www.weeklydavespeak.com/news/DM_Eddie_Vedder_111704.php


Just in case you don't know who own Oracle:
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faithfullale

When will PJ play a 10 club appreciation event? They have always done things there way but does seem odd for the 180 degree turnaround when as someone already commented about much of PJ 20 movie about the band struggling with corporate greed and no participating in these types of events. It won't stop me from being a fan and listening to the music but definitely is puzzling.

DP13

oh no!

Zoso

faithfullale wrote:

When will PJ play a 10 club appreciation event? They have always done things there way but does seem odd for the 180 degree turnaround when as someone already commented about much of PJ 20 movie about the band struggling with corporate greed and no participating in these types of events. It won't stop me from being a fan and listening to the music but definitely is puzzling.

and all 10c show would be great and WELL overdue.. they did play a couple of 10 only shows in 1995 I think.. They were the good ole days.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

I dont give a flying, fat rats, monkeys ass, that Pearl Jam is playing this show..

They can play 10-20 of these same shows...
Every year, for the next 10 years...

And I wouldnt give a flying fuck......

Take the money and run....

DS1119

This band gets slammed for no matter what they do. People want 100 city mega tours but they don't want corporate sponsorship.

They don't tour...they get slammed.


I couldn't give a shit where they play or by what means it happens...just play! Jesus CHrist. :fp: They are the best band in the world. I don't give a shit if Mike McCready comes out on stage with a Target flag sticking out of his ass, Stone has a fucking electronic marquee scrolling across his forehead, and Ed before handing out his bottle of wine at the end has a "Kodak Sponsored Moment". Whatever gets these guys on stage and making music.

teeman

DS1119 wrote:

This band gets slammed for no matter what they do. People want 100 city mega tours but they don't want corporate sponsorship.

They don't tour...they get slammed.


I couldn't give a shit where they play or by what means it happens...just play! Jesus CHrist. :fp: They are the best band in the world. I don't give a shit if Mike McCready comes out on stage with a Target flag sticking out of his ass, Stone has a fucking electronic marquee scrolling across his forehead, and Ed before handing out his bottle of wine at the end has a "Kodak Sponsored Moment". Whatever gets these guys on stage and making music.

Obviously a big difference between corporate sponsorship of a tour and being the house band for Oracle's conference.

The Sky I Scrape has a great post that sums up how I feel.

As for dissenting opinions, I'm suprised people can look past obvious selling out and hypocritical behavior. To each their own.

DS1119

teeman wrote:

Obviously a big difference between corporate sponsorship of a tour and being the house band for Oracle's conference.

The Sky I Scrape has a great post that sums up how I feel.

As for dissenting opinions, I'm suprised people can look past obvious selling out and hypocritical behavior. To each their own.

Selling out. I think Lars from Metallica, it was, had a great answer about selling out. When asked he said something like "yeah, Metallca sells out every single fucking night".

Just remember if your boss comes into work tomorrow and offers you a raise...don't sell out man...turn that shit down! Stay the course!

bootlegger10

DS1119 wrote:

teeman wrote:

Obviously a big difference between corporate sponsorship of a tour and being the house band for Oracle's conference.

The Sky I Scrape has a great post that sums up how I feel.

As for dissenting opinions, I'm suprised people can look past obvious selling out and hypocritical behavior. To each their own.

Selling out. I think Lars from Metallica, it was, had a great answer about selling out. When asked he said something like "yeah, Metallca sells out every single fucking night".

Just remember if your boss comes into work tomorrow and offers you a raise...don't sell out man...turn that shit down! Stay the course!

But we didn't tell our bosses to fuck-off for 10 years before being offered a raise and yell at others who were accepting the raises. Also, the fans who have stood behind PJ for 20 years are more than ready to give Pearl Jam money to play a show, but PJ plays the corporate gig instead. A big slap in the face if you ask me. This show would not be an issue if PJ toured half the amount of a normal band, but they don't so everything like this becomes an issue.

I wonder who is more charitable, Bill Gates or the owner of Oracle? Bill Gates by billions and billions and billions. Who does Ed talk bad about on stage (bill gates), and who does he play corporate gigs for (Oracle)?

Anyway, there are bigger worries in the world.