Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

catefrances

PJ_Soul wrote:

'm Canadian, first of all.
I think it's fucked up that just because there is a horrific mass shooting every few years that it would still surprise someone when it happens. Someone doing that will always be shocking. People LET themselves become desensitized. It's not something that happens externally, and it's certainly not a given. I think it takes some lack of empathy to not react with shock or surprise when a person does something like that no matter how often it happens.

way back in 1996 i heard of a massacre in port arthur. now at the time i was reading a janis joplin bio and she was from port arthur, texas... i thought oh no not again. then i heard it was port arthur, TASMANIA. and i thought WTF! tasmania??? it shocked me that this happened in my own country.. and even moreso that it happened in tasmania. im not sure how quick i wouldve jumped to theasumption the massacre was in the US had i not been reading the joplin bio. maybe i wouldve thought of our port arthur initially instead of making that assumption. anyhoo rightly or wrongly whenever news of a gun massacre breaks my thoughts immediately go to the US. it always saddens me and it frustrates me that there is hand wringing and commiseration with the victims and their families and communites and yet it seems as if nothing changes as we sit back and wait for the next massacre... its kinda like when i hear of people dying... i immediately assume cancer got them. it seems to be atypical to me that someone dies in a car wreck or some other way. what am i trying to say???? i guess what im trying to say is we will continue to expect these tragedies, and not be surprised when they do occur, so long as the types of weapons used are available to the public by whatever means.

in eds tree

Hinn wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That's kind of fucked up.

Your country is quite fucked up. Hence that way of thinking. The total lack of political will to do anything about it, the widespread reactions of trying to gag the debate over the most blatant ways to address the issue whenever the shootings crop up...

I can't recall where I've read it, but there was a statistic that showed people being actually more opposed to gun control since Columbine.

Surprise? I think only those who've just woken up from a coma or have been dementing over the last 12 years can have any cause to be surprised.

:-/ it's not just America that's fucked up, dude. It's people all over the world. There are a lot of bad people everywhere, and there are a lot of good people, too.

This shooting happened just a few miles from my house while I was sleeping. When I woke up to the news, was I shocked? You're goddamn right I was! It's a natural reaction, dude. Is there a tremendous amount of gun violence in America? Sadly, yes. Does that mean we should all just shrug and say, "meh, no big deal"?? Absolutely not. And I'd like to know where you saw a statistic about people being less inclined to want gun control after columbine. Unfortunately, the NRA is a powerful, powerful entity.

dimitrispearljam

chadwick wrote:

he wanted to kill as many as he possibly could and he himself to be live in a scene from some film or video game type fashioned, all playing out in his sick ass head. to him he was the master of the universe for that time being. he was controlling life & death, smiling the entire time.

the guy is a monster. yet again evil has shown its unreal face. somehow this guy fell through the crack of life & became a scumbag, a lower form of breathing.

exactly that...u cant bit stupd..that a rule out there..you cant ..
he is a stupid fuck that he thought he is the master of his fuckin universe...
that he find guns easily play it role ofcourse.....but anyway ,he want to do bad...so he find the way no matter what..
so sad for all the people ,died,get hurt,and the families..

ComeToTX

"Meanwhile, a federal law enforcement official provided an updated account about the gunfire inside the theater, saying that a semi-automatic assault rifle used by the shooter jammed during the attack, forcing him to switch to another weapon.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the investigation, said that the jammed weapon had a high-capacity ammunition magazine. Police have said that a 100-round drum magazine was recovered at the scene and that such a weapon would be able to fire 50 to 60 rounds a minute."

Is there anyone that thinks something like this should be readily available? Just insane. A lot more lives would have been lost if that rifle didn't jam.

josevolution

ComeToTX wrote:

"Meanwhile, a federal law enforcement official provided an updated account about the gunfire inside the theater, saying that a semi-automatic assault rifle used by the shooter jammed during the attack, forcing him to switch to another weapon.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to in order to discuss the investigation, said that the jammed weapon had a high-capacity ammunition magazine. Police have said that a 100-round drum magazine was recovered at the scene and that such a weapon would be able to fire 50 to 60 rounds a minute."

Is there anyone that thinks something like this should be readily available? Just insane. A lot more lives would have been lost if that rifle didn't jam.

I'm with you on this issue these types of weapons should not be available to the civilian population , i just saw Senator McCain on tv and he stated that he needs more proof that banning these weapons would of prevented this tragedy from happening :shock: :shock: ......
So by next week this will be all pretty much washed away and the convo will never focus on the banning of these weapons it will be bussines as ususl on Capitol Hill nothing will come of this these lives will have been lost for naught .........

blueandwhite

Nothing will change.

I find it tiresome listening to talking heads in the media expressing their shock, disbelief or feelings of sympathy towards the victims. As far as I can tell, most of the sympathy expressed by these people is nothing more than thinly veiled apathy. As far as I'm concerned, sympathy is worthless if there is no effort to evoke meaningful change to reduce the likelihood of this happening again and I don't see any real desire by the American public for meaningful changes to gun laws. The families of the victims are now left to pick up the pieces while the rest of the world moves forward.

pandora

It surprises me the number of people here who do not understand mental illness
that can only look at the killer as though he was just like them, in his right mind.

And if he was in his right mind the whole time, a smiling monster, tons more would
be dead and wounded.

It's ok to hate him, if that's what you feel, how you deal.
I hate the men who terrorized the family a couple years back,
raped the women, a young daughter, killed the women,
left the dad for dead, set fire to the home.
To me that was pure evil, absolute joy in the hands on torment
and suffering of another human being. The sick satisfying sexual enjoyment
of raping a young girl. Listening to her pleads and cries, watching the
fathers hellish anguish.

Some may say I don't know this man's motives, this is true of course.
I can only conclude from my own feelings, as others have.
I have stated what I feel of this young man.
I have empathy because I know mental illness and know how next to impossible
it is to get help until after someone is hurt, either themselves or at their hands,
when that changes we will have real change.

I have heard more than one victim say they have empathy for the killer too.
Now there is an understanding heart.

What can we take from this of value? Maybe just that, a heart that is more understanding.

josevolution

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

ComeToTX

josevolution wrote:

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

Not only weapons but automatic assault weapons. It's insane that these things are available. He never could have killed that many people without that. Make all guns available to the public bolt action. Save the assault weapons for the army.

pandora

josevolution wrote:

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

No I do not, he would have used a different method is all.

He is not sane, not then, not when he was firing shots, not now
but many sane people collect guns, perhaps even a weapon a month,
that does not make them a danger. It is mental illness that can make a person
a danger to others.

Attack the real problem with your giant letters and make some real change.

dimitrispearljam

josevolution wrote:

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

true

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

No I do not, he would have used a different method is all.

He is not sane, not then, not when he was firing shots, not now
but many sane people collect guns, perhaps even a weapon a month,
that does not make them a danger. It is mental illness that can make a person
a danger to others.

Attack the real problem with your giant letters and make some real change.

Again, why can't we do both. Work on mental health and gun control?

I don't really care about gun collectors. My dad is a gun collector. They can find a new hobby.

Also, what method could he have used where all the elements were obtained legally and it was this easy to carry out?

Thirty Bills Unpaid

pandora wrote:

It surprises me the number of people here who do not understand mental illness
that can only look at the killer as though he was just like them, in his right mind.

And if he was in his right mind the whole time, a smiling monster, tons more would
be dead and wounded.

It's ok to hate him, if that's what you feel, how you deal.
I hate the men who terrorized the family a couple years back,
raped the women, a young daughter, killed the women,
left the dad for dead, set fire to the home.
To me that was pure evil, absolute joy in the hands on torment
and suffering of another human being. The sick satisfying sexual enjoyment
of raping a young girl. Listening to her pleads and cries, watching the
fathers hellish anguish.

Some may say I don't know this man's motives, this is true of course.
I can only conclude from my own feelings, as others have.
I have stated what I feel of this young man.
I have empathy because I know mental illness and know how next to impossible
it is to get help until after someone is hurt, either themselves or at their hands,
when that changes we will have real change.

I have heard more than one victim say they have empathy for the killer too.
Now there is an understanding heart.

What can we take from this of value? Maybe just that, a heart that is more understanding.

Good lord. Yah, we're all a bunch of clods with cold hearts incapable of love- definitely below you and that one other person on this thread.

We understand mental illness. Duh. We just don't give a shit. Ill, drunk, mad, sad... whatever has a person move to large scale violence places them in the category of: 'piece of shit'.

In a similar vein, your argument would absolve the alcoholic from mowing down a mother and child at a crosswalk ("You guys are stupid. Don't you understand alcoholism? He's sober now. ")... or Sandusky ("He was sick. He's gotten therapy to assist him overcome his poor past.")... or the junkie who stabs an old lady and takes her purse with $7 in it ("What's with you guys? Don't you understand addiction. He was in pain and needed a fix. He's better now.")... you can excuse every horrible action if you really wanted to. I'll go on no further other than to state it is the bleeding hearts that allow for levels of patience and understanding that, quite frankly, mainstream society is completely exhausted with.

Your position is a strange one to take. People are outraged. Very very angry and sad. Your insistence that this mutant is the real victim here borders on offensive. Very little tact displayed here, Pandora. It's my feel that your comments are in very poor taste.

And, can you stop entering after every sentence? I keep thinking I'm reading a poem when I read your posts.

Fifi_Ireland

Humm, there is an assumption that this guy has a mental illness as people cant comprehend that maybe he wanted to do this. Yes mental health systems most places are poor and people look back and say that people should have helped before someone does something like this but at the end of the day I dont think this all lies with mental illness.

This was premeditated for months, stockpiling weapons and bomb stuff. He rigged his apartment and then calmly wnt and shot those people. Yes maybe now hes claiming mental illness, just like anders brevik did afterwards, and maybe people will accept that as it is easier to take than believing he just wanted to do it! but I think overall maybe people have devalued life and it doesnt take a mental illness for someone to wipe someone else out.

Lets be realistic down through history massacres have taken place, everyone says hitler was mad, but there were plenty willing to carry out his instructions.
I think there are just some people willing to do stuff like this because they are evil.

chadwick

gun collectors are for the most part, fucked in the head. sure some are ok decent folks. others? not so much.

having a bleeding heart, feeling sorry for this maniac is absurd

who the hell needs to own $30,000-$50,000 in guns? many ppl around here (rural iowa) own a lot of guns. practically every household houses at least one gun. i know of ppl who own so many guns it would be impossible for me to guess at the number and to guess at the lifetime's money spent on their collection.

they are not dangerous like this freak-show here but they sure aren't right either. it's a fucking waste of time & money

chadwick

Fifi_Ireland wrote:

Humm, there is an assumption that this guy has a mental illness as people cant comprehend that maybe he wanted to do this. Yes mental health systems most places are poor and people look back and say that people should have helped before someone does something like this but at the end of the day I dont think this all lies with mental illness.This was premeditated for months, stockpiling weapons and bomb stuff. He rigged his apartment and then calmly wnt and shot those people. Yes maybe now hes claiming mental illness, just like anders brevik did afterwards, and maybe people will accept that as it is easier to take than believing he just wanted to do it! but I think overall maybe people have devalued life and it doesnt take a mental illness for someone to wipe someone else out.

Lets be realistic down through history massacres have taken place, everyone says hitler was mad, but there were plenty willing to carry out his instructions.
I think there are just some people willing to do stuff like this because they are evil.

thank you. thank you. & thank you.
he aint mentally ill. he is flat out a monster. this was a game for him, that is all. to him life has no meaning. he has no cares about murdering everyone. his blood pressure probably did not even elevate nor his pulse.

chadwick

i can't wait to hear what ted nugent has to say.

hedonist

I don't give a damn if this guy was in his right mind (whatever that is) or not. He planned out this shit, took lives, and would've taken more if his assault rifle hadn't jammed.

As was mentioned earlier as it relates to pedophiles and others I consider sick fucks...of course some path brought them to where they are/were, and while I'm sorry that something(s) horrible played a part in their lives, it's not an excuse.

It's a reason, sure. But not an excuse.

So nope, no empathy from me.

pandora

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

pandora wrote:

It surprises me the number of people here who do not understand mental illness
that can only look at the killer as though he was just like them, in his right mind.

And if he was in his right mind the whole time, a smiling monster, tons more would
be dead and wounded.

It's ok to hate him, if that's what you feel, how you deal.
I hate the men who terrorized the family a couple years back,
raped the women, a young daughter, killed the women,
left the dad for dead, set fire to the home.
To me that was pure evil, absolute joy in the hands on torment
and suffering of another human being. The sick satisfying sexual enjoyment
of raping a young girl. Listening to her pleads and cries, watching the
fathers hellish anguish.

Some may say I don't know this man's motives, this is true of course.
I can only conclude from my own feelings, as others have.
I have stated what I feel of this young man.
I have empathy because I know mental illness and know how next to impossible
it is to get help until after someone is hurt, either themselves or at their hands,
when that changes we will have real change.

I have heard more than one victim say they have empathy for the killer too.
Now there is an understanding heart.

What can we take from this of value? Maybe just that, a heart that is more understanding.

Good lord. Yah, we're all a bunch of clods with cold hearts incapable of love- definitely below you and that one other person on this thread.

We understand mental illness. Duh. We just don't give a shit. Ill, drunk, mad, sad... whatever has a person move to large scale violence places them in the category of: 'piece of shit'.

In a similar vein, your argument would absolve the alcoholic from mowing down a mother and child at a crosswalk ("You guys are stupid. Don't you understand alcoholism? He's sober now. ")... or Sandusky ("He was sick. He's gotten therapy to assist him overcome his poor past.")... or the junkie who stabs an old lady and takes her purse with $7 in it ("What's with you guys? Don't you understand addiction. He was in pain and needed a fix. He's better now.")... you can excuse every horrible action if you really wanted to. I'll go on no further other than to state it is the bleeding hearts that allow for levels of patience and understanding that, quite frankly, mainstream society is completely exhausted with.

Your position is a strange one to take. People are outraged. Very very angry and sad. Your insistence that this mutant is the real victim here borders on offensive. Very little tact displayed here, Pandora. It's my feel that your comments are in very poor taste.

And, can you stop entering after every sentence? I keep thinking I'm reading a poem when I read your posts.

Thank you very much I will compose my posts as I see fit
you are free of course to not read them if you find them that troubling.

A poem can always do a heart well I might add.

So you conclude I am not outraged at the loss of life...
that I am not sad and angry... how do you come to this conclusion?

is this because I can also show empathy for the person committing the crime?

It is unusual for me to do so but it is so very obvious he himself is a victim also.

I think your presumptions of me and what I think of child molesters,
DUI's or criminals preying on other human beings for their own gain,
are very telling of you.
Is seems you are assuming much of me with knowing little, wouldn't you say?
Not really good debate form... assuming of others.

You would be so very wrong in all cases / examples you have given.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

josevolution wrote:

Even as mentally unstable he was he was still sane enough to be able to key word here PURCHASE 4 WEAPONS IN A SPAN OF 4MONTHS , don't you think if we would of had laws in place to prevent these purchases some lives could of been saved ......

No I do not, he would have used a different method is all.

He is not sane, not then, not when he was firing shots, not now
but many sane people collect guns, perhaps even a weapon a month,
that does not make them a danger. It is mental illness that can make a person
a danger to others.

Attack the real problem with your giant letters and make some real change.

Again, why can't we do both. Work on mental health and gun control?

I don't really care about gun collectors. My dad is a gun collector. They can find a new hobby.

Also, what method could he have used where all the elements were obtained legally and it was this easy to carry out?

Gun control will not stop mass shootings.

Mental health readily available will be an aid but will not stop mass killings.

As far as methods I think your imagination can work as well as mine, as well as
anyone's who is bent on taking life.

Hey what was up with the needles in the food from the flights from Amsterdam...
good thing they weren't dipped in something deadly or even contagious.

:fp:

who thinks this stuff up?