I love Dave Mustaine and his political views but he's way off on this one...this sounds so nutty. I betcha he wouldn't say this in this country to an American audience he would or should get booed right off the stage even though I like him very much.
i remember as a kid dad telling us about the shelby cobra. back in the 60's if you wanted to purchase a shelby cobra you had to attend a driving/operators course because the car was so fucking awesomely powerful that most people flat out wrap themselves around utility poles at ungodly quick speeds.
now i haven't look for these exact facts online but it is all true.
how's come needledick circle jerk artists can purchase most any guns they desire and never ever report to anyone for a schooling/safety course of operations?
But let's for sure address it
like the situation of our shooter that this thread was started from.
Address the fact he was delusional and certainly can not be held accountable
and fried because he is mentally incompetent.
Address the fact that you yourself said depression can also lead to shootings like this,
not exclusively thought disorders.
That mental illness has a link to both violence and crime.
Our society could honor the rights of people by providing help for them
while avoiding removing the rights of others.
This by addressing why people are shooting.
It's stopping the why not the how.
Being mentally incompetent and mentally ill are 2 very different things. Jared Loughner is mentally ill; he was deemed mentally competent.
We do not know if the Aurora shooter was delusional (particularly at the time of the shooting, because there is a gag order and the psychiatrist cannot release any information. We do not know this for sure. I did not say that depression leads to shootings like this; I said it may be the only form of mental illness a shooter has (not necessarily psychosis or an illness that results in a break with reality).
Again, those that are mentally ill are much more likely to be a victim of crime, not a perpetrator. Those living with mental illness absolutely need to have better access to care and sometimes protections from themselves and others (although the need for that protection is often only fleeting).
Yes I know the definitions...
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
This is no different than myself being called out for being insulting and without understanding. I meant to call Pandora on her sensitivity but i let it go cause i can handle some of her comments. Stop trying to control the fricking board leave it to the moderators and please get OVER your high and mighty self. A problem with one's words report it like you usually do and carry on with this crusade. I'm done, moderators please blow this MFing thread up....it's getting ridiculous. Thank you.
Peace
How am I trying to control the board? How was I insensitive?
Be prepared to discuss others behavior and yours also.
I have not had a problem in this thread with anyone's words,
I point them out so the mods and others can see and I carry on. I am accustomed to this by now.
Actually since you posted this others have posted interesting articles ....
so....
carry on with the topic.
quick question off topic... why do you need to point things out for the mods & others, then you carry on? i don't understand except i see where you would be trying to get othersjammed up with the admin
quick answer off topic...
Would you rather I hit the button? when you openly insult me
if so let me know and I will cause that would be really jamming up as you put it
But let's for sure address it
like the situation of our shooter that this thread was started from.
Address the fact he was delusional and certainly can not be held accountable
and fried because he is mentally incompetent.
Address the fact that you yourself said depression can also lead to shootings like this,
not exclusively thought disorders.
That mental illness has a link to both violence and crime.
Our society could honor the rights of people by providing help for them
while avoiding removing the rights of others.
This by addressing why people are shooting.
It's stopping the why not the how.
Being mentally incompetent and mentally ill are 2 very different things. Jared Loughner is mentally ill; he was deemed mentally competent.
We do not know if the Aurora shooter was delusional (particularly at the time of the shooting, because there is a gag order and the psychiatrist cannot release any information. We do not know this for sure. I did not say that depression leads to shootings like this; I said it may be the only form of mental illness a shooter has (not necessarily psychosis or an illness that results in a break with reality).
Again, those that are mentally ill are much more likely to be a victim of crime, not a perpetrator. Those living with mental illness absolutely need to have better access to care and sometimes protections from themselves and others (although the need for that protection is often only fleeting).
Yes I know the definitions...
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
im glad we're on the same page about all that so moving forward we can use those terms accurately and not speak of speculation as fact or reinforce destructive stigmas.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
it's funny that mustaine made his rant in singapore, where gun laws are much stricter than in the us.
the gun laws in Mad Max were stricter than the current US laws
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
im glad we're on the same page about all that so moving forward we can use those terms accurately and not speak of speculation as fact or reinforce destructive stigmas.
actually there is much speculation here ...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything. When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
im glad we're on the same page about all that so moving forward we can use those terms accurately and not speak of speculation as fact or reinforce destructive stigmas.
actually there is much speculation here ...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything. When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
Ok... So maybe we're not on the same page after all
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
im glad we're on the same page about all that so moving forward we can use those terms accurately and not speak of speculation as fact or reinforce destructive stigmas.
actually there is much speculation here ...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything. When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
actually there is much speculation here ...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything. When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
Agreed. That's oversimplifying. It's certainly a component in some shootings and some crime that deserves more exploration and intervention. However even when mental illness is present, there are many factors that may be even more important to consider. A large portion of crime doesn't involve mental illness at all
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
I think in most cases mental illness is... domestic violence
children with depression problems medicating with illegal drugs,
delusion thought disorders,
adults who crack under pressure trying to pay back society or whomever.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
I think in most cases mental illness is... domestic violence
children with depression problems medicating with illegal drugs,
delusion thought disorders,
adults who crack under pressure trying to pay back society or whomever.
all and 100% rarely can be used in life though
Domestic violence often does not involve mental illness and shouldn't be used as an example of such. Domestic violence is about power and control. Substance abuse is not mental illness, but when it exists in combination with mental illness, heightens the risk of violence. Wanting revenge against society does not equate to mental illness either, but could be indicative of a personality disorder.
A few pertinent links below. Two I posted at the start of this thread, so in case anyone is interested I'll post them again as well.
actually there is much speculation here ...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything. When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
Agreed. That's oversimplifying. It's certainly a component in some shootings and some crime that deserves more exploration and intervention. However even when mental illness is present, there are many factors that may be even more important to consider. A large portion of crime doesn't involve mental illness at all
What was meant by all was the very recent that has made the news as the mass shootings,
the ones we have been discussing. I guess I should have added those words.
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
I think in most cases mental illness is... domestic violence
children with depression problems medicating with illegal drugs,
delusion thought disorders,
adults who crack under pressure trying to pay back society or whomever.
all and 100% rarely can be used in life though
I'll stick by my figure of being 100% false.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
Agreed. That's oversimplifying. It's certainly a component in some shootings and some crime that deserves more exploration and intervention. However even when mental illness is present, there are many factors that may be even more important to consider. A large portion of crime doesn't involve mental illness at all
What was meant by all was the very recent that has made the news as the mass shootings,
the ones we have been discussing. I guess I should have added those words.
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
We've discussed a lot of shootings on these threads, so I think it makes sense to discuss mental health in the context of the phenomenon of mass killings. I posted some relevant links above
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
I'll ask this again. How do you plan to go about forcing people to get the mental health help they need? Do you know how low the percentage is of people with mental issues actually seek treatment. It is incredibly low. Why? because of the stigma. which is actually being perpetuated by you, saying nonsense like people with mental illness are responsible for most if not all shooting sprees. How can you claim this? it's irresponsible to say so and borderline an ignorant statement that further stigmatizes the mentally ill.
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Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
This is simply untrue.
The USA has a blatant gun problem with laughable laws. Even gun advocates in this very thread have said that. We do acknowledge mental illness contributes to this sometimes, but our laws and culture are still a problem.
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
I think in most cases mental illness is... domestic violence
children with depression problems medicating with illegal drugs,
delusion thought disorders,
adults who crack under pressure trying to pay back society or whomever.
all and 100% rarely can be used in life though
Domestic violence often does not involve mental illness and shouldn't be used as an example of such. Domestic violence is about power and control. Substance abuse is not mental illness, but when it exists in combination with mental illness, heightens the risk of violence. Wanting revenge against society does not equate to mental illness either, but could be indicative of a personality disorder.
A few pertinent links below. Two I posted at the start of this thread, so in case anyone is interested I'll post them again as well.
Power and control is this normal behavior?
Do people seek help for violence against their loved ones?
Depression leads to self medicating with substances.
Mental illness effects a huge part of our population
and these are the people who have sought help and been diagnosed,
lets at least double that for the people
who have no insurance, no means to seek help,
until after violence towards themselves or others.
This is the why to the shootings, to the crime, to the violence
so much so it should addressed to stop gun violence.
Agreed. That's oversimplifying. It's certainly a component in some shootings and some crime that deserves more exploration and intervention. However even when mental illness is present, there are many factors that may be even more important to consider. A large portion of crime doesn't involve mental illness at all
I find all this thing about the link between mental illness and crime (whether perpetrator or victim) interesting. From a medical point of view but also from the judicial and media point of view. Maybe this could be a separate thread? A couple of links ref violent crime and mental health. Sure, some will say that one may be a study/publication from New Zealand and the other two a couple of articles from the BBC but they just seem to corroborate what CBG is trying to say (and I guess she has seen many, many studies as part of her job/expertise area). These were the first ones to be listed, thus chosen as I don't have much time to do any reading right now. One can always dig further by checking out the sources referenced in the articles.
Just a few quotes from these:
"This means that 5.2% of all violent crimes over the period were committed by people with severe mental illness." Note: violent crime includes, but is not limited to gun crime.
"Having a severe mental health problem does not make a person violent."
"People with conditions like schizophrenia are in fact more likely to be the victims of violence than others in the population."
"Mentally ill patients are six times more likely to be murdered than the general population, researchers have found."
"Serious mental illness has only a small influence on murder rates"
"They also found that alcohol and drug problems and personality disorder were
conditions associated with greater risk of violent offending than mental illness"
"Alcohol use, for example, was four times as likely as mental illness to be a precipitating factor in
homicide with a gun."
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
I'll ask this again. How do you plan to go about forcing people to get the mental health help they need? Do you know how low the percentage is of people with mental issues actually seek treatment. It is incredibly low. Why? because of the stigma. which is actually being perpetuated by you, saying nonsense like people with mental illness are responsible for most if not all shooting sprees. How can you claim this? it's irresponsible to say so and borderline an ignorant statement that further stigmatizes the mentally ill.
Are you saying those who are mentally ill do not want treatment?
Is that not a terrible stigma?
Are you saying when it is within their power to seek treatment they don't?
This is a terrible thing to say about people who would very much like to get help
for themselves but at 200 dollar an hour and the cost of prescription drugs
it is just not going to happen.
And the families of those who need help but can't find or afford it.
I think your view is ignorant of the fact that many recognize and want help
but it is not available.
Your idea of mental illness being something to be ashamed of is so 1990's.
Awareness has taken us past that, some help is is being offered even to school age children
to turn that stigma even more as we head into the future. But it matters not if
mental health care is not going to be readily available in our society for all.
Power and control is this normal behavior?
Do people seek help for violence against their loved ones?
Depression leads to self medicating with substances.
Mental illness effects a huge part of our population
and these are the people who have sought help and been diagnosed,
lets at least double that for the people
who have no insurance, no means to seek help,
until after violence towards themselves or others.
This is the why to the shootings, to the crime, to the violence
so much so it should addressed to stop gun violence.
Power and control is very unhealthy behavior. It is not mental illness, however. People seek anger management for domestic violence, not psychiatric treatment unless there is a co-occuring mental illness. The myth that mental illness causes domestic violence is one that should not be perpetuated. Advocacy programs list this as a major myth.
Some people self-medicate when they are depressed. They may have a co-occuring substance abuse issue and we consider them to be dually diagnosed (two separate diagnoses). Many substance abuse programs will not accept people with a co-occuring mental illness because they require different treatment.
Many people in our society do live with mental illness that deserves proper diagnosis and treatment. I agree. Most of these people will never be violent.
You can treat mental illness and gun violence will still exist. They are separate issues that at times overlap and both deserve to be addressed.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Agreed. That's oversimplifying. It's certainly a component in some shootings and some crime that deserves more exploration and intervention. However even when mental illness is present, there are many factors that may be even more important to consider. A large portion of crime doesn't involve mental illness at all
I find all this thing about the link between mental illness and crime (whether perpetrator or victim) interesting. From a medical point of view but also from the judicial and media point of view. Maybe this could be a separate thread? A couple of links ref violent crime and mental health. Sure, some will say that one may be a study/publication from New Zealand and the other two a couple of articles from the BBC but they just seem to corroborate what CBG is trying to say (and I guess she has seen many, many studies as part of her job/expertise area). These were the first ones to be listed, thus chosen as I don't have much time to do any reading right now. One can always dig further by checking out the sources referenced in the articles.
Just a few quotes from these:
"This means that 5.2% of all violent crimes over the period were committed by people with severe mental illness." Note: violent crime includes, but is not limited to gun crime.
"Having a severe mental health problem does not make a person violent."
"People with conditions like schizophrenia are in fact more likely to be the victims of violence than others in the population."
"Mentally ill patients are six times more likely to be murdered than the general population, researchers have found."
"Serious mental illness has only a small influence on murder rates"
"They also found that alcohol and drug problems and personality disorder were
conditions associated with greater risk of violent offending than mental illness"
"Alcohol use, for example, was four times as likely as mental illness to be a precipitating factor in
homicide with a gun."
Thank you so much for listing these and summarizing some of the main points. Having accurate information is so important. I am very interested in this topic and agree that it is important to discuss in and of itself!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
I'll ask this again. How do you plan to go about forcing people to get the mental health help they need? Do you know how low the percentage is of people with mental issues actually seek treatment. It is incredibly low. Why? because of the stigma. which is actually being perpetuated by you, saying nonsense like people with mental illness are responsible for most if not all shooting sprees. How can you claim this? it's irresponsible to say so and borderline an ignorant statement that further stigmatizes the mentally ill.
Are you saying those who are mentally ill do not want treatment?
Is that not a terrible stigma?
Are you saying when it is within their power to seek treatment they don't?
This is a terrible thing to say about people who would very much like to get help
for themselves but at 200 dollar an hour and the cost of prescription drugs
it is just not going to happen.
And the families of those who need help but can't find or afford it.
I think your view is ignorant of the fact that many recognize and want help
but it is not available.
Your idea of mental illness being something to be ashamed of is so 1990's.
Awareness has taken us past that, some help is is being offered even to school age children
to turn that stigma even more as we head into the future. But it matters not if
mental health care is not going to be readily available in our society for all.
I agree that there needs to be better access to mental health care. Most counties have a community mental health center that accepts Medicaid and provides services on a sliding scale, but they are overburdened and have long waiting lists. Clients can usually only see therapists once a month and psychiatrists once every 3 months. They often do not pay well, so clinicians with advanced degrees and licensure and expensive continuing education requirements and high student loans often cannot afford to work there. Social services funding is often drastically cut and so are clinical positions.
What's the solution? How do we make it more accessible given those limitations.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
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"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
now i haven't look for these exact facts online but it is all true.
how's come needledick circle jerk artists can purchase most any guns they desire and never ever report to anyone for a schooling/safety course of operations?
frickin retarded ass bullshit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Yes I know about the fact that it is not a given about Holmes... been through this
and not only are the mentally ill much more likely to be a victim than
a perp that is true for us all
Would you rather I hit the button? when you openly insult me
if so let me know and I will cause that would be really jamming up as you put it
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
the gun laws in Mad Max were stricter than the current US laws
sadly that's true...
even about people that no one really knows :fp: something you have done.
To some degree speculation can be used to form opinion something you have done
so just think of it that way... it's my opinion
so I will speculate and use terms I see fit ...
at least a few here are actually attacking the why to all the shootings in a logical way...
by addressing the lack of easy and affordable mental health care
instead of assuming taking away guns will fix anything.
When we remove the real threat... the person from the equation
is when violent acts and crime will cease.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
mental health is the "why" to all shootings? that's 100% false.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
so if I see two people, one with a gun, and one without a gun, they are the same threat level to you? HAHAHA.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
children with depression problems medicating with illegal drugs,
delusion thought disorders,
adults who crack under pressure trying to pay back society or whomever.
all and 100% rarely can be used in life though
Two deputies killed, two wounded in Louisiana shooting:
http://us.cnn.com/2012/08/16/justice/lo ... ?hpt=hp_t1
A few pertinent links below. Two I posted at the start of this thread, so in case anyone is interested I'll post them again as well.
http://boingboing.net/2012/07/26/forens ... s-mas.html
http://vitals.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/07 ... s-say?lite
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1525086/
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
the ones we have been discussing. I guess I should have added those words.
I think we can trace back mental illness issues to the examples I have made prior
and if these were addressed properly in our society with comprehensive care
we wouldn't be discussing guns at all.
I'll stick by my figure of being 100% false.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'll ask this again. How do you plan to go about forcing people to get the mental health help they need? Do you know how low the percentage is of people with mental issues actually seek treatment. It is incredibly low. Why? because of the stigma. which is actually being perpetuated by you, saying nonsense like people with mental illness are responsible for most if not all shooting sprees. How can you claim this? it's irresponsible to say so and borderline an ignorant statement that further stigmatizes the mentally ill.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
This is simply untrue.
The USA has a blatant gun problem with laughable laws. Even gun advocates in this very thread have said that. We do acknowledge mental illness contributes to this sometimes, but our laws and culture are still a problem.
What the fuck is this world...
Power and control is this normal behavior?
Do people seek help for violence against their loved ones?
Depression leads to self medicating with substances.
Mental illness effects a huge part of our population
and these are the people who have sought help and been diagnosed,
lets at least double that for the people
who have no insurance, no means to seek help,
until after violence towards themselves or others.
This is the why to the shootings, to the crime, to the violence
so much so it should addressed to stop gun violence.
I find all this thing about the link between mental illness and crime (whether perpetrator or victim) interesting. From a medical point of view but also from the judicial and media point of view. Maybe this could be a separate thread? A couple of links ref violent crime and mental health. Sure, some will say that one may be a study/publication from New Zealand and the other two a couple of articles from the BBC but they just seem to corroborate what CBG is trying to say (and I guess she has seen many, many studies as part of her job/expertise area). These were the first ones to be listed, thus chosen as I don't have much time to do any reading right now. One can always dig further by checking out the sources referenced in the articles.
Just a few quotes from these:
"This means that 5.2% of all violent crimes over the period were committed by people with severe mental illness." Note: violent crime includes, but is not limited to gun crime.
"Having a severe mental health problem does not make a person violent."
"People with conditions like schizophrenia are in fact more likely to be the victims of violence than others in the population."
"Mentally ill patients are six times more likely to be murdered than the general population, researchers have found."
"Serious mental illness has only a small influence on murder rates"
"They also found that alcohol and drug problems and personality disorder were
conditions associated with greater risk of violent offending than mental illness"
"Alcohol use, for example, was four times as likely as mental illness to be a precipitating factor in
homicide with a gun."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/5216836.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1721156.stm
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=ca ... 5Y9OSKUS7Q
Is that not a terrible stigma?
Are you saying when it is within their power to seek treatment they don't?
This is a terrible thing to say about people who would very much like to get help
for themselves but at 200 dollar an hour and the cost of prescription drugs
it is just not going to happen.
And the families of those who need help but can't find or afford it.
I think your view is ignorant of the fact that many recognize and want help
but it is not available.
Your idea of mental illness being something to be ashamed of is so 1990's.
Awareness has taken us past that, some help is is being offered even to school age children
to turn that stigma even more as we head into the future. But it matters not if
mental health care is not going to be readily available in our society for all.
Some people self-medicate when they are depressed. They may have a co-occuring substance abuse issue and we consider them to be dually diagnosed (two separate diagnoses). Many substance abuse programs will not accept people with a co-occuring mental illness because they require different treatment.
Many people in our society do live with mental illness that deserves proper diagnosis and treatment. I agree. Most of these people will never be violent.
You can treat mental illness and gun violence will still exist. They are separate issues that at times overlap and both deserve to be addressed.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Do you just love to pull a sentence out from an entire thought and then
pretend to be dumb to what the point was?
I guess that's one way to debate :fp:
too funny indeed
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
What's the solution? How do we make it more accessible given those limitations.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"