Gun laws don't stop crazy sorry, I know many here think that is the answer.
Gun laws only keep responsible gun owners without
their rights intact.
All gun opponents want to do is take away guns from the law abiding.
Each time I ask what would you do to solve the problem the answer is removing rights to own guns.
Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?
Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings. Why are people shooting?
Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.
Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.
RIP...Arnold Horshack....Oh Oh me, how are we in this country are going to address treatment for the sane or mentally ill when WE in this country can't even get BASIC health care just to get even a simple check up?
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.
Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.
you speak as if no sane person has ever shot someone say out of anger/love/heat of the moment....
in USA I might shoot the guy who i find in bed with my wife... in Scotland, as much as I wanted to, I couldnt because we have good gun laws.
sane people shoot other people and to deny that you may as well be an ostrich.
anyway... I'm still awaiting the anti-gun lobby coming to me to use my snappy punchline for their poster campaigns.
"better gun laws: it's worth a shot!"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Come on 140!!!what do I win if I'm right? I hope it's a shiny new gun!
winning a gun in the US is like winning a book! ... "shoot" for something more rare ... like a real corn on the cob that hasn't been bioengineered to have no nutrients and glow ...
Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?
Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings. Why are people shooting?
Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.
Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.
The non "crazy" also use guns irresponsibly; in much higher numbers than the "crazy" in fact. The "crazy" are much more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. People living with mental illness are a vulnerable population and deserve more comprehensive treatment than what is currently available (including risk assessments), as well as to be treated with dignity and not to be stigmatized. The stigma is an obstacle to them obtaining proper diagnosis and treatment. Let's not add to that problem.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I should not have laughed I'm sorry not funny... but I did but shouldn't have... :oops:
but the fact that your gut reaction was to LAUGH is very telling about your lack of respect and awareness for the grave situation this could have ended up as.
glad the stupid fuck shot himselfand not someone else.
gee and I felt bad about laughing ...
it was the buttocks thing, just a great big oops ...
and finally we agree, glad no one else was hurt
I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.
Does she fight for the rights of others?
I bet she does
no, she doesnt fight for the right of innocent movie goers who get killed. :nono:
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
wow!!!!this will fit perfect with my new pinky highheels!!!i want it... :P
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.
Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.
you speak as if no sane person has ever shot someone say out of anger/love/heat of the moment....
in USA I might shoot the guy who i find in bed with my wife... in Scotland, as much as I wanted to, I couldnt because we have good gun laws.
sane people shoot other people and to deny that you may as well be an ostrich.
anyway... I'm still awaiting the anti-gun lobby coming to me to use my snappy punchline for their poster campaigns.
"better gun laws: it's worth a shot!"
You are a funny person, actually here you might be considered temporarily insane
as was found recently with a man here in Atlanta, in the same scenario.
No of course passion plays to some degree into shootings but by and far it is personal gain
as in criminal activity these being the sane,
then those with a few screws loose all the way to the mentally incompetent.
What's the number one way to off someone in Scotland?
Is that still by firearm? just bought illegally?
What's the number one way to off someone in Scotland?
Is that still by firearm? just bought illegally?
its never been the number one way to off someone as far as I'm aware...
a knife is used in over half the murders/killings here.
We realised this and now its illegal to carry a knife in the street, buy one in supermarkets unless a certain age, etc
we notice a problem then try to fix it... you guys just let each mass murder ensue and then bleat on about infringement of rights.
when there is another mass shooting in Scotland we'll discuss it on that thread... on my hover-computer
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
wow!!!!this will fit perfect with my new pinky highheels!!!i want it... :P
Now we just have to come up with a matching holster and we're covered.
im ready!!!\
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"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
wow!!!!this will fit perfect with my new pinky highheels!!!i want it... :P
Now we just have to come up with a matching holster and we're covered.
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
ooOOoo... have you decided on the design of your costume and superhero name yet?
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
ooOOoo... have you decided on the design of your costume and superhero name yet?
I'm going to be the pink version of catwoman
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Now we just have to come up with a matching holster and we're covered.
But why stop at the holster? Fancy a bit more?
there no way to get attention with those!!!
ill wear this too
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
I think you and redrock would make a great team.
Maybe this is the answer...all guns produced shall now be pink. Who is gonna cap someone over a dime bag with a pink gun?
Of course gun laws dont stop crazy..nobody has said that. Many of us just think things arent working very well as is, and perhaps we can reduce the carnage if some weapons were simply not so easily accessible. Isnt it worth a try? A tiny attempt to save people?
Save people? if we really care about that we would address the cause of these shootings. Why are people shooting?
Mental illness in all forms are hurting our society in so many ways.
The homeless left to the streets, many mentally ill, untreated.
The children left behind from young on, undiagnosed.
Those children that turn to crime because of this, turn to drugs.
The domestic violence founded in the root of mental illness.
I could go on and on.
Violence and crime will not go away until we address proper and easily available
treatment for all.
Crazy is not because there are guns, crazy just uses guns, irresponsibly
the sane do too ... responsibly.
Let's really fix the problem and get help for the mentally ill.
The non "crazy" also use guns irresponsibly; in much higher numbers than the "crazy" in fact. The "crazy" are much more likely to be victims of crime than perpetrators. People living with mental illness are a vulnerable population and deserve more comprehensive treatment than what is currently available (including risk assessments), as well as to be treated with dignity and not to be stigmatized. The stigma is an obstacle to them obtaining proper diagnosis and treatment. Let's not add to that problem.
But let's for sure address it
like the situation of our shooter that this thread was started from.
Address the fact he was delusional and certainly can not be held accountable
and fried because he is mentally incompetent.
Address the fact that you yourself said depression can also lead to shootings like this,
not exclusively thought disorders.
That mental illness has a link to both violence and crime.
Our society could honor the rights of people by providing help for them
while avoiding removing the rights of others.
This by addressing why people are shooting.
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
I think you and redrock would make a great team.
Maybe this is the answer...all guns produced shall now be pink. Who is gonna cap someone over a dime bag with a pink gun?
I like purple... can I be purple (so people don't get us mixed up? No guns needed - I'll stick to the killer heels.
I'd like a matching cape as well to top off the superhero costume. I plan to make rounds to local movie theatres to protect the public (but I plan to flee like a little girl if the shit hits the fan :oops:
I think you and redrock would make a great team.
Maybe this is the answer...all guns produced shall now be pink. Who is gonna cap someone over a dime bag with a pink gun?
I think you might be on to something! We need a superhero duo name :think:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
But let's for sure address it
like the situation of our shooter that this thread was started from.
Address the fact he was delusional and certainly can not be held accountable
and fried because he is mentally incompetent.
Address the fact that you yourself said depression can also lead to shootings like this,
not exclusively thought disorders.
That mental illness has a link to both violence and crime.
Our society could honor the rights of people by providing help for them
while avoiding removing the rights of others.
This by addressing why people are shooting.
It's stopping the why not the how.
Being mentally incompetent and mentally ill are 2 very different things. Jared Loughner is mentally ill; he was deemed mentally competent.
We do not know if the Aurora shooter was delusional (particularly at the time of the shooting, because there is a gag order and the psychiatrist cannot release any information. We do not know this for sure. I did not say that depression leads to shootings like this; I said it may be the only form of mental illness a shooter has (not necessarily psychosis or an illness that results in a break with reality).
Again, those that are mentally ill are much more likely to be a victim of crime, not a perpetrator. Those living with mental illness absolutely need to have better access to care and sometimes protections from themselves and others (although the need for that protection is often only fleeting).
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I always thought Pandora was a bit of peace loving hippy... turns out she is Chuck Norris' mother.
Does she fight for the rights of others?
I bet she does
Fighting for the rights of the next James Holmes and such.
I would think that someone who boasts something such as you did would be front and center to the 'so badly needed it's pathetic' gun legislation movement. What has been presented preserves a way of life for the leigitimate gun owners and removes the ridiculously easy process for an inappropriate person to obtain a gun that is also inappropriate.
You are fighting for the rights of people who should not be owning guns or for people who want guns that should not be owned. Why not consider fighting for the rights of those who are going to bleed out at the hands of some asshole in the next few days or so?
Don't get me wrong, I think you have a big heart... I just think your intentions are misplaced. The few others that attempted to place an argument for the right to bear arms (with goofy analogies and forceful language like, 'it's my right') left 30 pages ago. You cannot win this debate on this forum; however... don't worry... ultimately you will win: 'From my cold, dead hands' is a threat that no politician wants to challenge. Which person wants to step into the crosshairs upon trying to implement sweeping gun reform changes?
One other thing... your 'let them eat cake' answer to the mental health problem is a little more complex than that don't you think? I'm repeating myself from... oh, page 30 or so where you never answered... but where exactly is the billions of dollars going to come from to handle the costs associated with your 'walk in mental health clinic accessible to all'? You understand that there would have to be tons of facilities and highly paid personnel to handle all the responsibilities attached to such an endeavour right? I think something is needed, but how about something more attainable?
I should not have laughed I'm sorry not funny... but I did but shouldn't have... :oops:
but the fact that your gut reaction was to LAUGH is very telling about your lack of respect and awareness for the grave situation this could have ended up as.
glad the stupid fuck shot himselfand not someone else.
gee and I felt bad about laughing ...
what should have been painfully obvious is that if I had to choose who got shot, I'm glad it was him and not an innocent.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
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RIP...Arnold Horshack....Oh Oh me, how are we in this country are going to address treatment for the sane or mentally ill when WE in this country can't even get BASIC health care just to get even a simple check up?
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
you speak as if no sane person has ever shot someone say out of anger/love/heat of the moment....
in USA I might shoot the guy who i find in bed with my wife... in Scotland, as much as I wanted to, I couldnt because we have good gun laws.
sane people shoot other people and to deny that you may as well be an ostrich.
anyway... I'm still awaiting the anti-gun lobby coming to me to use my snappy punchline for their poster campaigns.
"better gun laws: it's worth a shot!"
winning a gun in the US is like winning a book! ... "shoot" for something more rare ... like a real corn on the cob that hasn't been bioengineered to have no nutrients and glow ...
First prize:
second prize:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
gee and I felt bad about laughing ...
it was the buttocks thing, just a great big oops ...
and finally we agree, glad no one else was hurt
I bet she does
no, she doesnt fight for the right of innocent movie goers who get killed. :nono:
I would definitely go for some fresh corn on the cob
Dunkman - that is a brilliant tag line. You don't disappoint :cool:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
wow!!!!this will fit perfect with my new pinky highheels!!!i want it... :P
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
as was found recently with a man here in Atlanta, in the same scenario.
No of course passion plays to some degree into shootings but by and far it is personal gain
as in criminal activity these being the sane,
then those with a few screws loose all the way to the mentally incompetent.
What's the number one way to off someone in Scotland?
Is that still by firearm? just bought illegally?
Now we just have to come up with a matching holster and we're covered.
its never been the number one way to off someone as far as I'm aware...
a knife is used in over half the murders/killings here.
We realised this and now its illegal to carry a knife in the street, buy one in supermarkets unless a certain age, etc
we notice a problem then try to fix it... you guys just let each mass murder ensue and then bleat on about infringement of rights.
when there is another mass shooting in Scotland we'll discuss it on that thread... on my hover-computer
im ready!!!\
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
But why stop at the holster? Fancy a bit more? Though with those killer heels, not sure you need more!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
ill wear this too
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I think you and redrock would make a great team.
Maybe this is the answer...all guns produced shall now be pink.
like the situation of our shooter that this thread was started from.
Address the fact he was delusional and certainly can not be held accountable
and fried because he is mentally incompetent.
Address the fact that you yourself said depression can also lead to shootings like this,
not exclusively thought disorders.
That mental illness has a link to both violence and crime.
Our society could honor the rights of people by providing help for them
while avoiding removing the rights of others.
This by addressing why people are shooting.
It's stopping the why not the how.
I like purple... can I be purple (so people don't get us mixed up? No guns needed - I'll stick to the killer heels.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
We do not know if the Aurora shooter was delusional (particularly at the time of the shooting, because there is a gag order and the psychiatrist cannot release any information. We do not know this for sure. I did not say that depression leads to shootings like this; I said it may be the only form of mental illness a shooter has (not necessarily psychosis or an illness that results in a break with reality).
Again, those that are mentally ill are much more likely to be a victim of crime, not a perpetrator. Those living with mental illness absolutely need to have better access to care and sometimes protections from themselves and others (although the need for that protection is often only fleeting).
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
Fighting for the rights of the next James Holmes and such.
I would think that someone who boasts something such as you did would be front and center to the 'so badly needed it's pathetic' gun legislation movement. What has been presented preserves a way of life for the leigitimate gun owners and removes the ridiculously easy process for an inappropriate person to obtain a gun that is also inappropriate.
You are fighting for the rights of people who should not be owning guns or for people who want guns that should not be owned. Why not consider fighting for the rights of those who are going to bleed out at the hands of some asshole in the next few days or so?
Don't get me wrong, I think you have a big heart... I just think your intentions are misplaced. The few others that attempted to place an argument for the right to bear arms (with goofy analogies and forceful language like, 'it's my right') left 30 pages ago. You cannot win this debate on this forum; however... don't worry... ultimately you will win: 'From my cold, dead hands' is a threat that no politician wants to challenge. Which person wants to step into the crosshairs upon trying to implement sweeping gun reform changes?
One other thing... your 'let them eat cake' answer to the mental health problem is a little more complex than that don't you think? I'm repeating myself from... oh, page 30 or so where you never answered... but where exactly is the billions of dollars going to come from to handle the costs associated with your 'walk in mental health clinic accessible to all'? You understand that there would have to be tons of facilities and highly paid personnel to handle all the responsibilities attached to such an endeavour right? I think something is needed, but how about something more attainable?
what should have been painfully obvious is that if I had to choose who got shot, I'm glad it was him and not an innocent.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
(now we need someone with good photoshopping skills to get these superhero items - plastic hair-cap included - onto Dimi and/or CBG)