good morning, all. let's buy more guns. let's collect more & more guns and ammo. let's go shootin. let's get fuckin stupid up in here. here being the streets of america... or a movie theater, or a school, or a office building, or a park, or a mcdonalds, or a county or state fair... remember, only nutjobs murder people. nutjobs are poor and don't have mental health insurance.
then when the smoke clears from murdering humans, let's go bear, wolf, giraffe, and rhinoceros killing like our pals sarah palin and ted nugent
hmm...i ll tell u this...my favo girl went her daughter to school..at Illinois...just now as a post this..
really..for a moment inside me,i thought,wtf with the guns...i hope never this things like with the movie theater happens to schools...
happens all the time. scares the hell out of me. sure it isn't yet happening at the young kids' schools. kindergarten - middle school which can be 6-9 or 7-8 depending where you live. middle school = junior high.
high schools have had shootings.
i just post it..cos she just drop her kid at 1st day of kindergarten..and for a moment pass my mind this thought,and i freak out. and freeze......
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
i just post it..cos she just drop her kid at 1st day of kindergarten..and for a moment pass my mind this thought,and i freak out. and freeze......
i am with you, friend. i'm scared for everyone too. however, lots of smart and safe people out there keeping an eye on things and most folks are not doing killings
Ok but tell me how we're creating or expanding these clinics to meet the demand and how they're being paid for. Present clinics have waiting lists months long due to demand. Who pays for care of clients with no insurance?
Pandora - I think the idea of walk-in clinics where people can be immediately assessed and begin treatment would be wonderful. What are your ideas about how to pay for them? And to accommodate clients that are uninsured? There's already a demand for therapists and psychiatrists (the wait lists are long even for those with insurance), so we'd also have to fill that gap. They require advanced degrees, so how would we help people obtain the necessary education and training to fill the demand?
:corn:
that little guy and it always gives me a craving for popcorn
just cute
The awareness of mental illness, the campaign to rid the stigma,
has begun sometime ago. More people realize this is a physical ailment,
that often runs in families. Now is the time to go beyond
that and address how we can help the masses who can not help themselves.
I think doctors should serve pro bono required one day a week,
just as lawyers often do ,
though I don't believe that is required but should be.
That would include anyone in the field, a mandatory for state licensing.
It could also be required for doctors not in that special field,
as physical testing etc is required to diagnose.
Of course tax deductable/ tax break for this.
Landowners with empty space could donate the physical space.
Volunteers of all walks of life could help, everyone knows someone who
needs mental illness care and will respond.
Large corporations could donate product needed to prepare spaces.
The big pharm could donate needed drugs.
As with the forest preservation could the sales of guns help finance this
or is that too much to expect to ask? Seeing that we know mental illness
can be a factor in gun murders and general crime.
Church and other private foundations ...
could they donate to preserve the value of life in general,
unconnected to gun violence?
Peace and happiness is found in a healthy mind.
Our youth, our homeless, our working class obviously need help ...
Too many are drowning without a life raft, no money, no help,
no where to go but to implode.
It takes team work to bring a county back. If we don't work towards
this, the senseless taking of lives will continue on all levels.
Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.
Each one of us is a potential victim,
rich, poor, old, young, head of a corporation, homeless person....
by working together we can take our lives back and that of those
who are lost in mental illness, it is a frightening place to be.
^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)
mentally insane folks 99.9% of the time are victims of crimes and they are not the criminals. when are you going to understand this, pand?
also, drunk fuckers who are nasty shits are the bad guys. like gang bangers and street thugs. they are not mentally insane but they will smoke your frickin ass for laughs. they are not poor. whoever sold crack cocaine by the barrel load lived in empty pockets? they be havin thousands of dollars a day pass through their cold dead hands similar to a smokin gun but paper green instead
Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.
Another other positive ideas?
there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.
and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?
holy fascism batman
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I love the idea of mental health clinics to assist in the effort to stop these incidents but here is the issue:
- most people who commit gun crimes aren't mentally ill in any definition
- mental health is something that is ALWAYS swept under the carper in EVERY country and is ALWAYS the last priority of any government liberal or conservative, dictatorship or socialist.
- the current social welfare, social services industry is an breaking point both here and around the world how would these places be staffed when no one wants to work for $14.00 with masters degree's..
- Pandora you want the workers to work for free? It's unsustainable and naive to think ANYONE in the middle class can work free in this environment
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Pandora - I think the idea of walk-in clinics where people can be immediately assessed and begin treatment would be wonderful. What are your ideas about how to pay for them? And to accommodate clients that are uninsured? There's already a demand for therapists and psychiatrists (the wait lists are long even for those with insurance), so we'd also have to fill that gap. They require advanced degrees, so how would we help people obtain the necessary education and training to fill the demand?
:corn:
that little guy and it always gives me a craving for popcorn
just cute
The awareness of mental illness, the campaign to rid the stigma,
has begun sometime ago. More people realize this is a physical ailment,
that often runs in families. Now is the time to go beyond
that and address how we can help the masses who can not help themselves.
I think doctors should serve pro bono required one day a week,
just as lawyers often do ,
though I don't believe that is required but should be.
That would include anyone in the field, a mandatory for state licensing.
It could also be required for doctors not in that special field,
as physical testing etc is required to diagnose.
Of course tax deductable/ tax break for this.
Landowners with empty space could donate the physical space.
Volunteers of all walks of life could help, everyone knows someone who
needs mental illness care and will respond.
Large corporations could donate product needed to prepare spaces.
The big pharm could donate needed drugs.
As with the forest preservation could the sales of guns help finance this
or is that too much to expect to ask? Seeing that we know mental illness
can be a factor in gun murders and general crime.
Church and other private foundations ...
could they donate to preserve the value of life in general,
unconnected to gun violence?
Peace and happiness is found in a healthy mind.
Well we are already required to work pro bono in the field for 2 years as interns in order to be qualified for state licensure. My center could not run without the help of interns, but it still really isn't enough to fill the need. Clients still have to wait for non-emergency services. Requiring ongoing pro bono work would be punishing an already exhausted system and clinicians who are undervalued and underpaid. Therapists are required to have a minimum of 60 graduate credits (whereas many programs such as engineering only require 30) and therefore pay about twice the amount for their education. In addition, they carry the costs of licensure and malpractice insurance, continuing education credits of 30 per year, and costs of certifications (separate from licensure). Most make about 35k - 45k per year. Many already work 2 jobs and volunteer in other capacities. Therapists and doctors who are already so overburdened and overbooked that they have waiting lists months long, so I'm not sure where they would find another day per week to donate in their already overbooked schedules. It's a nice idea, but I think it would only work if clinicians are paid a salary equivalent to those of lawyers (and if we start being allowed to bill for every phone call, email and letter!)
We do rely on volunteers, but you cannot work with a client in any sort of clinical capacity without specialized education. It's too risky. Most centers have trained access counselors to schedule appointments, because even that takes skill and training when working with population. Due to confidentiality, they would not be able to assist with record maintenance or most of the paperwork we need to do.
I would love to see churches and private foundations donate money to fund services. Some already do. Would this be a requirement? Maybe every company that makes over a certain amount per year could be required to fund programs. I think it would be hard to get buy in since the people we serve are under valued. Pharmaceutical companies do provide some assistance for clients who lack insurance. We access that all the time, but it's not enough to meet the need.
It's a nice thought, having the community share the burden, but unless the government requires it, I don't see it happening at a scale to preserve or strengthen an already burdened system.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Because I asked you 2-3 times how you thought such a project (nation-wide walk-in mental health clinics) could be funded... I feel I can respond to your last post.
Ridiculous.
Doctors work for free? Landowners give their land? This is not an answer to the question that has been posed.
Your ideology and your reasoning is fine, but completely unrealistic. As I said in an earlier post, "Let them eat cake" doesn't cut it sometimes. As nice as something might be in a utopic state... reality needs to be addressed.
^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)
mentally insane folks 99.9% of the time are victims of crimes and they are not the criminals. when are you going to understand this, pand?
also, drunk fuckers who are nasty shits are the bad guys. like gang bangers and street thugs. they are not mentally insane but they will smoke your frickin ass for laughs. they are not poor. whoever sold crack cocaine by the barrel load lived in empty pockets? they be havin thousands of dollars a day pass through their cold dead hands similar to a smokin gun but paper green instead
You have a way with words Chad To quote some stats on the subject "According to Columbia University psychiatrist Paul Appelbaum, less than 3—5% of American crimes involve people with mental illness, and the percentages of these crimes that involve guns are actually lower than the national average—particularly when alcohol and drugs are taken out of the mix. For Appelbaum, the focus on so-called mentally ill crime obfuscates awareness of a far more important set of risk predictors of gun violence: substance use and past history of violence. "
I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)
yes take away rights is your choice ...
alrighty then :fp:
nothing to do with rights... it's all to do with safety and I'm sorry but the right to bear arms means less safety for everyone and this is obviously proven int he rate of gun related injuries and deaths in America.
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I love you forever and forever
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^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)
yes take away rights is your choice ...
alrighty then :fp:
its only a "right" because some old bloke wrote it down some 250 years ago
your only right as a human being is to breathe air, fornicate, defecate, eat, drink water and all that natural stuff that makes a human being a human .... the rest is all man-made bullshit.
a right to have a gun? thank fuck those old blokes didnt write "a right to own a slave" oh wait they did didnt they????
Oh and imagine if it was the "right" of a white person in 1950's Alabama to have the only seat on a bus instead of a black dude.... oh wait that actually happened as well?
If they only had the foresight to write "fluffy pillows" instead of "bear arms"
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
I love the idea of mental health clinics to assist in the effort to stop these incidents but here is the issue:
- most people who commit gun crimes aren't mentally ill in any definition
- mental health is something that is ALWAYS swept under the carper in EVERY country and is ALWAYS the last priority of any government liberal or conservative, dictatorship or socialist.
- the current social welfare, social services industry is an breaking point both here and around the world how would these places be staffed when no one wants to work for $14.00 with masters degree's..
- Pandora you want the workers to work for free? It's unsustainable and naive to think ANYONE in the middle class can work free in this environment
Agreed. Therapists at my last agency are making $30k per year. Licensed therapists with Masters Degrees who have already worked pro bono for two years. This might be feasible if they were earning salaries anywhere close to lawyers. No wonder we're having trouble getting people who want to enter the field. They already don't make much and now we want them to work one day per week for free. Like getting blood from a stone. We're already undervalued. I make a decent salary, but it's still less than my co-workers in other departments who have less experience, less education, no need for licensure and no burden of making suicide and homicide assessments...and I make that salary by working 2 jobs and 15 hour days. Counseling services is just not valued.
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"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.
Another other positive ideas?
there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.
and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?
holy fascism batman
But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?
Help people who need help who have none?
I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?
Mental illness and crime are not one in the same. To post again "According to Columbia University psychiatrist Paul Appelbaum, less than 3—5% of American crimes involve people with mental illness, and the percentages of these crimes that involve guns are actually lower than the national average—"
I assure you - doctors and therapist help people every single day and we feel pretty good about it.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?
Help people who need help who have none?
I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?
But why would someone not want to eradicate guns and innocent deaths?
your right to be alive is more important than your right to own a gun don't you think?
plus it's easier to control guns/gun laws than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.... what you're asking for is the same as asking for world peace and zero famine.... just never gonna happen.
some people who have a mental illness dont even KNOW they have a mental illness.... how would you solve that?
oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.
Another other positive ideas?
there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.
and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?
holy fascism batman
But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?
Help people who need help who have none?
I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?
Sounds a bit like Jack Handey.
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?
cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
^^^^another idea..yeah i have some. get rid of assault rifles and automatic weapons and hang gang members who terrorize communities. and ban carrying concealed weapons altogether so no one shoots themselves in the ass or balls or another innocent person(s)
yes take away rights is your choice ...
alrighty then :fp:
nothing to do with rights... it's all to do with safety and I'm sorry but the right to bear arms means less safety for everyone and this is obviously proven int he rate of gun related injuries and deaths in America.
It has everything to do with personal rights...
there are people who own guns never at fault ... much much much more so than those
who are careless with guns...
we can not punish the thoughtful, remove their rights because of the thoughtless.
As with abortion, because some abuse the right to abort a baby by taking numerous lives,
we can not punish those who are responsible in choosing to end a life.
As long as criminals have guns and people need them for protection it removes the
right to protect oneself.
there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.
and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?
holy fascism batman
But why would someone not want to eradicate mental illness and crime?
At least try to address the cause?
Help people who need help who have none?
I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?
Sounds a bit like Jack Handey.
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
Yes - the factors that put people most at risk for committing crime are being young, male, of a lower socio-economic class and substance abuse.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?
cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......
the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.
generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..
the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).
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why not just admit like slavery that the right to bear arms is outdated and hasn't worked? let's move on and create a laws that would be more safe to you and me...
I'm sure people in the 1830's thought that slavery was their right? things evolve as we work out they are either scientifically incorrect (world being flat, creationism) or just not working and laws are made to update the wrong.
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I love you forever and forever
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Why do we keep on having 'mental illness' and 'crime' in the same sentence as if they're Siamese twins?
cos its easy to say is the reason to blame... ..is the way to hide all the gaps the system have....
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......
I think you may be on to something Dimi...
I think so too.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.
generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..
the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).
You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
the biggest factor in crime is generational poverty and even the social environment you grow up in.. people who are in the middle class and higher 'generally' don't commit crime and this is no coincidence. So in saying this scrap the idea of mental health and get on the bandwagon of the ACTUAL answer to stopping crime.. the mental health system needs a shake up there is no denying this but this will not increase or decrease crime but any stretch.
generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..
the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).
You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!
well if they tell us to eat cake, I hope it's red velvet or carrot cake :shifty:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
just cute
The awareness of mental illness, the campaign to rid the stigma,
has begun sometime ago. More people realize this is a physical ailment,
that often runs in families. Now is the time to go beyond
that and address how we can help the masses who can not help themselves.
I think doctors should serve pro bono required one day a week,
just as lawyers often do ,
though I don't believe that is required but should be.
That would include anyone in the field, a mandatory for state licensing.
It could also be required for doctors not in that special field,
as physical testing etc is required to diagnose.
Of course tax deductable/ tax break for this.
Landowners with empty space could donate the physical space.
Volunteers of all walks of life could help, everyone knows someone who
needs mental illness care and will respond.
Large corporations could donate product needed to prepare spaces.
The big pharm could donate needed drugs.
As with the forest preservation could the sales of guns help finance this
or is that too much to expect to ask? Seeing that we know mental illness
can be a factor in gun murders and general crime.
Church and other private foundations ...
could they donate to preserve the value of life in general,
unconnected to gun violence?
Peace and happiness is found in a healthy mind.
Our youth, our homeless, our working class obviously need help ...
Too many are drowning without a life raft, no money, no help,
no where to go but to implode.
It takes team work to bring a county back. If we don't work towards
this, the senseless taking of lives will continue on all levels.
Guns are here to stay legal or otherwise but mental illness
and crime does not need to be.
Each one of us is a potential victim,
rich, poor, old, young, head of a corporation, homeless person....
by working together we can take our lives back and that of those
who are lost in mental illness, it is a frightening place to be.
Another other positive ideas?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
also, drunk fuckers who are nasty shits are the bad guys. like gang bangers and street thugs. they are not mentally insane but they will smoke your frickin ass for laughs. they are not poor. whoever sold crack cocaine by the barrel load lived in empty pockets? they be havin thousands of dollars a day pass through their cold dead hands similar to a smokin gun but paper green instead
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
there was crime before there were guns... also it's easier to eradicate guns than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.
and you dont want your gun laws tighter or stricter but you want to force a doctor to work for free one day a week?
holy fascism batman
- most people who commit gun crimes aren't mentally ill in any definition
- mental health is something that is ALWAYS swept under the carper in EVERY country and is ALWAYS the last priority of any government liberal or conservative, dictatorship or socialist.
- the current social welfare, social services industry is an breaking point both here and around the world how would these places be staffed when no one wants to work for $14.00 with masters degree's..
- Pandora you want the workers to work for free? It's unsustainable and naive to think ANYONE in the middle class can work free in this environment
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I love you forever and forever
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We do rely on volunteers, but you cannot work with a client in any sort of clinical capacity without specialized education. It's too risky. Most centers have trained access counselors to schedule appointments, because even that takes skill and training when working with population. Due to confidentiality, they would not be able to assist with record maintenance or most of the paperwork we need to do.
I would love to see churches and private foundations donate money to fund services. Some already do. Would this be a requirement? Maybe every company that makes over a certain amount per year could be required to fund programs. I think it would be hard to get buy in since the people we serve are under valued. Pharmaceutical companies do provide some assistance for clients who lack insurance. We access that all the time, but it's not enough to meet the need.
It's a nice thought, having the community share the burden, but unless the government requires it, I don't see it happening at a scale to preserve or strengthen an already burdened system.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Because I asked you 2-3 times how you thought such a project (nation-wide walk-in mental health clinics) could be funded... I feel I can respond to your last post.
Ridiculous.
Doctors work for free? Landowners give their land? This is not an answer to the question that has been posed.
Your ideology and your reasoning is fine, but completely unrealistic. As I said in an earlier post, "Let them eat cake" doesn't cut it sometimes. As nice as something might be in a utopic state... reality needs to be addressed.
alrighty then :fp:
I have so many clients who have trouble finding things like housing because of this stigma. People are afraid to rent to them because they fear they will be dangerous. LET'S PLEASE STOP THIS STIGMA. It is so damaging. So many people struggle with accepting a diagnosis because of the stigma attached, making it less likely that they will engage in treatment.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
nothing to do with rights... it's all to do with safety and I'm sorry but the right to bear arms means less safety for everyone and this is obviously proven int he rate of gun related injuries and deaths in America.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
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At least try to address the cause?
Help people who need help who have none?
I bet that doctor would feel really good at the end of that day...
is that something you can embrace?
can you and your husband afford to work for free to help the homeless? no? well, this is the same premise...
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its only a "right" because some old bloke wrote it down some 250 years ago
your only right as a human being is to breathe air, fornicate, defecate, eat, drink water and all that natural stuff that makes a human being a human .... the rest is all man-made bullshit.
a right to have a gun? thank fuck those old blokes didnt write "a right to own a slave" oh wait they did didnt they????
Oh and imagine if it was the "right" of a white person in 1950's Alabama to have the only seat on a bus instead of a black dude.... oh wait that actually happened as well?
If they only had the foresight to write "fluffy pillows" instead of "bear arms"
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I assure you - doctors and therapist help people every single day and we feel pretty good about it.
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But why would someone not want to eradicate guns and innocent deaths?
your right to be alive is more important than your right to own a gun don't you think?
plus it's easier to control guns/gun laws than it is to eradicate mental illness and crime.... what you're asking for is the same as asking for world peace and zero famine.... just never gonna happen.
some people who have a mental illness dont even KNOW they have a mental illness.... how would you solve that?
Sounds a bit like Jack Handey.
Why do you insist on lumping the two together? Many people here have painfully tried to point out to you that, despite moments where they overlap... they are separate issues. It would make more sense to try and eliminate 'alcoholism and crime' than 'mental health and crime'.
There are two issues here (I respect your position on one).
and face the real problem,which is the way of life we living and supporting,..the one doesnt give hope or future..
so...we are all crazy..and problem solved......
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there are people who own guns never at fault ... much much much more so than those
who are careless with guns...
we can not punish the thoughtful, remove their rights because of the thoughtless.
As with abortion, because some abuse the right to abort a baby by taking numerous lives,
we can not punish those who are responsible in choosing to end a life.
As long as criminals have guns and people need them for protection it removes the
right to protect oneself.
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generally the reason people commit crime is because they have no hope, no money and no future, no education or any idea of what a normal life is.. so let's amp up the social welfare programs and education system. but what? seems to me, that a lot of people in America what constitute that as being a socialist..
the reason crime exits is because American governments have continually pushed the poverty stricken into their own areas and towns thus creating the perfect environment for the disenfranchised to run rampant (i.e camden, NJ, Trenton, Philly, Detroit).
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I'm sure people in the 1830's thought that slavery was their right? things evolve as we work out they are either scientifically incorrect (world being flat, creationism) or just not working and laws are made to update the wrong.
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You're 100% correct. I'm scared for the day they get sick of being pushed down and fight back. It'll be a mini French Revolution!
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