y'all get after it very early in the day. if only congress worked as hard as y'all at debating/arguing things would probably maybe get done. so i ask... are y'all getting anywhere over here tossing the gun laws back and forth.
nicely done...
btw, who is this poor misses ruby i keep reading about in your posts, pand? can you direct me to the story on her and whatever it is that she has done with a gun?
So this is now all about her and her competency ? Poor Miss Ruby can't get a break.
Obviously she is competent enough to get two bad guys off the street and save her own life
in the process.
So would you take away the gun that saved her life?
Would you have Miss Ruby's blood on your hands?
Could you tell that to her loved ones?
Say it to her face?
This is real... real life, not some idyllic wanna be place where no one lives
in danger, where all we must do is lock a door...
they busted down Miss Ruby's door....
she stopped two bad guys but can the gun opponents say kudos Miss Ruby!
you done good, they are on their way to prison. Two less thugs to
victimize more people.
No ...
all they can do is give senseless what ifs'...
The what if she had no gun ...
that is the really horrible scenario...
Pandora,miss ruby isnt a base or exable to talk..and be sure,i m very sensitive about people and life
same mister antonis,an old guy a corner from my house ,78 years old,he left his shot gun on the table after hunting,his 11 years old grandchild take it to play,and shot his 7 years old brother..
no if...i was there..
and i dont get "that blood on my hands..isnt my opinion that try to kill miss ruby
guns are dangerous....especially to people dont have a clue how it works or trained..
seems that usa guns protect people,and at greece kill people..
must be cos of the different hemisphere
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Damn... such drama again. Impossible to have a reasoned, proper debate here.
Good for Miss Ruby - can we move on now? Miss Ruby was probably never in 'grave' danger. Two unarmed petty thieves KNOCKED three times at her door, waiting before they came in, expecting an empty house. They are the type of burglars that would not enter a home if they heard noise or someone shouted back at them. No way diminishing Ruby Hodge's courage but please... let's not have so much histrionics around this.
Cold hearts, blood on their hands, senseless, insensitive posts (like it's not happening :? ) Please... Can we be done with this melodramatic rhetoric and maybe 'read' (really 'read') what people are saying instead of going off on one tangent over and over again?
Dimi's story - Mr Antonis. He has lived it, seen it. A real story - a hundred of those for each 'Ruby Hodge' story. Here three lives shattered - one 7 year old dead, one 11 brother and one 78 grand-father scarred for life, never being able to forgive themselves (not mentioning the rest of the family). All that because of a loaded weapon left within reach (just like Hodge's loaded gun under her pillow).
Dimi made very good observations in the post with regards to addressing the root of the problem, ie help create a better life for a better future, hope. Help bring people 'up' - not leaving them so disillusioned that one thinks crime/violence is their only way out. What about elaborating on this? How try to improve on the ROOT of the problem (which goes beyond the ease of acquiring firearms).
The old lady story is one example of guns being a protector.. for every story like that you could find 10 that detail gun injuries and deaths from accidents using guns etc.
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Damn... such drama again. Impossible to have a reasoned, proper debate here.
Good for Miss Ruby - can we move on now? Miss Ruby was probably never in 'grave' danger. Two unarmed petty thieves KNOCKED three times at her door, waiting before they came in, expecting an empty house. They are the type of burglars that would not enter a home if they heard noise or someone shouted back at them. No way diminishing Ruby Hodge's courage but please... let's not have so much histrionics around this.
Cold hearts, blood on their hands, senseless, insensitive posts (like it's not happening :? ) Please... Can we be done with this melodramatic rhetoric and maybe 'read' (really 'read') what people are saying instead of going off on one tangent over and over again?
Dimi's story - Mr Antonis. He has lived it, seen it. A real story - a hundred of those for each 'Ruby Hodge' story. Here three lives shattered - one 7 year old dead, one 11 brother and one 78 grand-father scarred for life, never being able to forgive themselves (not mentioning the rest of the family). All that because of a loaded weapon left within reach (just like Hodge's loaded gun under her pillow).
Dimi made very good observations in the post with regards to addressing the root of the problem, ie help create a better life for a better future, hope.
I too am ready to move beyond the Miss Ruby story. I'm glad no further harm came to her.
The talk of "blood on your hands" is again laying blame on people who aren't the perpetrators, or even bystanders in this situation. Let's keep the blame with the people who perpetrate the crimes.
We all want our communities to be safer; we just have different ideas about how to do that. A good healthy discussion and debate is a positive thing. I love hearing other people's points of view. I don't think it's helpful, however, to lay blame where it doesn't belong. That is distracting.
Dimi's post points to the fact that there are many accidents that happen as a result of guns.
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Damn... such drama again. Impossible to have a reasoned, proper debate here.
Good for Miss Ruby - can we move on now? Miss Ruby was probably never in 'grave' danger. Two unarmed petty thieves KNOCKED three times at her door, waiting before they came in, expecting an empty house. They are the type of burglars that would not enter a home if they heard noise or someone shouted back at them. No way diminishing Ruby Hodge's courage but please... let's not have so much histrionics around this.
Cold hearts, blood on their hands, senseless, insensitive posts (like it's not happening :? ) Please... Can we be done with this melodramatic rhetoric and maybe 'read' (really 'read') what people are saying instead of going off on one tangent over and over again?
Dimi's story - Mr Antonis. He has lived it, seen it. A real story - a hundred of those for each 'Ruby Hodge' story. Here three lives shattered - one 7 year old dead, one 11 brother and one 78 grand-father scarred for life, never being able to forgive themselves (not mentioning the rest of the family). All that because of a loaded weapon left within reach (just like Hodge's loaded gun under her pillow).
Dimi made very good observations in the post with regards to addressing the root of the problem, ie help create a better life for a better future, hope.
I too am ready to move beyond the Miss Ruby story. I'm glad no further harm came to her.
The talk of "blood on your hands" is again laying blame on people who aren't the perpetrators, or even bystanders in this situation. Let's keep the blame with the people who perpetrate the crimes.
We all want our communities to be safer; we just have different ideas about how to do that. A good healthy discussion and debate is a positive thing. I love hearing other people's points of view. I don't think it's helpful, however, to lay blame where it doesn't belong. That is distracting.
Dimi's post points to the fact that there are many accidents that happen as a result of guns.
ah no it's the people's fault in the movies who weren't armed.. it's their fault they couldn't defend themselves. It would have been like in the street fight scene in heat. I want to walk around with a semi automatic.. I would feel so tough and just in case someone tries to come at me I will be able to defend myself Zimmerman style.
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Damn... such drama again. Impossible to have a reasoned, proper debate here.
Good for Miss Ruby - can we move on now? Miss Ruby was probably never in 'grave' danger. Two unarmed petty thieves KNOCKED three times at her door, waiting before they came in, expecting an empty house. They are the type of burglars that would not enter a home if they heard noise or someone shouted back at them. No way diminishing Ruby Hodge's courage but please... let's not have so much histrionics around this.
Cold hearts, blood on their hands, senseless, insensitive posts (like it's not happening :? ) Please... Can we be done with this melodramatic rhetoric and maybe 'read' (really 'read') what people are saying instead of going off on one tangent over and over again?
Dimi's story - Mr Antonis. He has lived it, seen it. A real story - a hundred of those for each 'Ruby Hodge' story. Here three lives shattered - one 7 year old dead, one 11 brother and one 78 grand-father scarred for life, never being able to forgive themselves (not mentioning the rest of the family). All that because of a loaded weapon left within reach (just like Hodge's loaded gun under her pillow).
Dimi made very good observations in the post with regards to addressing the root of the problem, ie help create a better life for a better future, hope.
I too am ready to move beyond the Miss Ruby story. I'm glad no further harm came to her.
The talk of "blood on your hands" is again laying blame on people who aren't the perpetrators, or even bystanders in this situation. Let's keep the blame with the people who perpetrate the crimes.
We all want our communities to be safer; we just have different ideas about how to do that. A good healthy discussion and debate is a positive thing. I love hearing other people's points of view. I don't think it's helpful, however, to lay blame where it doesn't belong. That is distracting.
Dimi's post points to the fact that there are many accidents that happen as a result of guns.
ah no it's the people's fault in the movies who weren't armed.. it's their fault they couldn't defend themselves. It would have been like in the street fight scene in heat. I want to walk around with a semi automatic.. I would feel so tough and just in case someone tries to come at me I will be able to defend myself Zimmerman style.
Please...you'd accidentally shoot me in the shoe and I'd have to beat you with the butt of the gun I advise agains this.
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i dont know..how i ll react,or how a girl will react..
having a gun will not change anything..probably ill shoot myself or my girlfriend cos of the panic of the attack,or ill forget i have a gun..or ill piss him more ill put the gun out and he will kill us,when he has in mind only to steal our money..
who knows..
and the normal is to go the funeral ill guess..ill not collect dna from crime scene,
its police job....
really,a simple civilian cant have answers to this things..
the suprise of attacking u whe n u dont expect it,is the same having a gun or not.
thats why policeman trained for this situation.
So what's the solution, D? More police? Cameras everywhere?
thats the problem my friend..good question
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
Damn... such drama again. Impossible to have a reasoned, proper debate here.
After reading through the last several pages of this - phew! And...no shit, redrock
Bless you and the voices of reason in this thread.
many peeps got suckered again. It only starts out about the topic at hand. It ALWAYS turns to the personal. At times I think its a contrary view because of lonliness. Attention seeking behaviour.
its also changed from a love all be all thing to a more partisan viewpoint.
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True and mea culpa as well. Shame - an interesting topic, looking into all the perceived causes (root and higher level), the why and how 'we' got to this point and what can be done about it. If one could engage in this debate without histrionics or flippancy it could be a very good and informative exchange.
True and mea culpa as well. Shame - an interesting topic, looking into all the perceived causes (root and higher level), the why and how 'we' got to this point and what can be done about it. If one could engage in this debate without histrionics or flippancy it could be a very good and informative exchange.
guilty as well even if only indirectly.
on the gun control topic, it seems proponents focus on the right to bear arms verbiage in the amendment, leaving out the start of the amendment which is "A well REGULATED militia......."
It would seem to me a history lesson surrounding the amendment about why and how it came to be written as it is would be in order.
The little I've read , it seems this was prior to having a standing army or in lieu of a standing army would the citizenry be almost compelled to aquire arms for the purpose of national defense among other things. Also as a safe gaurd against the gov getting ot big for its britches.( which I will agree it is)
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Initially it was a collective right, not an individual right but this has been debated over and over again to-ing and fro-ing between the two, until recently (only a few years ago), where it was upheld that it was an individual right. But I get your drift, something written centuries ago, valid at the time of writing but maybe not as relevant. After all, so many laws/bills have been made redundant, amended, etc. due to relevance and 'moving with the times', why can this not be looked at?
The English had a bit about Protestants having the right to bear arms.... think they moved on from that!
Also, why is the US so reluctant to look at other models that have a proven track record? And it's not because they are so unique that nothing anyone else does will work - that's rubbish. I'm not even talking from a political point of view (we know the influence of the gun lobby) but from a more 'human point of view'.
It's obvious from all these tragic mass shootings and from 'everyday' gun deaths (whatever the reason - crime, accident, suicide) that it's too easy to purchase firearms, whether appropriate or inappropriate for the reasons one may have (or lack thereof!) and this needs some serious looking into. No one is calling for an outright ban - let that be clear. What also needs to be looked into is why all this violence, this need for arms. Poverty, lack of jobs, disillusion, lack of education, lack of hope, breakdown of the family, no support? All probable causes.... What can be done about that? Either from the citizen himself/herself or the government - both probably.
When was the last time anyone used a shotgun to to take their kids to school? Or the last time someone used a revolver to make their steak into tasty little bite sized pieces? Do people step into the batter's box with a loaded AR-15 at the co-ed softball game at the church picnic?
If you did or do any of the things listed above, then, by all means, compare cars to guns... or knives and baseball bats to guns. That would be a reasoned arguement because of the dual use of each.
We all know the difference between a gun and a car, for example. Like, if I see a guy driving a car, I don't give it much thought. If I see that same guy walk into the taco joint with a gun... well, then I will have a grea deal of concern. I guess I'm just wierd that way.
Also, trying to apply one isolated incident to all gun related incidents just proves one thing... that in that one isolated incident, a favorable outcome result... but, it does not serve as any support to that side of the debate. So, seriously, let's give it a fuckig rest already. We get the point, even if the point doesn't add weight nor value to the conversation.
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Again... MOST reasonable gun control advocates are asking to just make it more difficult for people who should own guns... to own guns. Let me specify... all I am saying in that it is way too easy for some fucking nutcase to get a gun. I don't want to take guns from law-abiding responsible gun owners... I don't want nut cases walking around with guns.
That's all.
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I don't want to take guns from law-abiding responsible gun owners... I don't want nut cases walking around with guns.
That's all.
At the risk of repeating myself, I still haven't come across anyone wishing to tell me what is a 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner' and how they reconcile 'responsible' (ie storing guns responsibly for those that have them at home for example) and one's preparedness for immediate action of self protection in case of say, home invasion, or sudden confrontation with a 'bad guy' in one's home. What does a gun owner need to do to be 'responsible'? And 'law abiding' - does that mean no brush with the law whatsoever (eg driving offense, marital dispute...)?
When does one then become 'irresponsible' and 'non law-abiding'? Should something be done about the firearms this person has then?
I don't want to take guns from law-abiding responsible gun owners... I don't want nut cases walking around with guns.
That's all.
At the risk of repeating myself, I still haven't come across anyone wishing to tell me what is a 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner' and how they reconcile 'responsible' (ie storing guns responsibly for those that have them at home for example) and one's preparedness for immediate action of self protection in case of say, home invasion, or sudden confrontation with a 'bad guy' in one's home. What does a gun owner need to do to be 'responsible'? And 'law abiding' - does that mean no brush with the law whatsoever (eg driving offense, marital dispute...)?
When does one then become 'irresponsible' and 'non law-abiding'? Should something be done about the firearms this person has then?
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NOTE: I added that because I don't really feel up to a never ending circular discussion about outlawed gun, outlaws would have guns... bumper sticker logic/arguements.
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Of note... wasn't James Holmes a 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner', before he shot up that movie house? I mean, prior to that mass murder, wasn't he the same as any other 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner'?
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Was he Cosmo? We don't know. Sure, it would seem he obtained his guns legally, but was he responsible? Was he law-abiding?
This 'law abiding responsible' thing wasn't about what you wrote, Cosmo. Some here justify gun ownership (which ever gun and how many one may want) by talking about these people, differentiating them from the 'bad guys'. I would just like to know what they mean by this and how responsible is 'responsible' - what to they have to do to achieve this 'status'. As far as I'm concerned, those keeping a loaded weapon (locked away or not) are not 'responsible'. Some may think so. Are there 'rules' for responsible gun ownership?
Was he Cosmo? We don't know. Sure, it would seem he obtained his guns legally, but was he responsible? Was he law-abiding?
This 'law abiding responsible' thing wasn't about what you wrote, Cosmo. Some here justify gun ownership (which ever gun and how many one may want) by talking about these people, differentiating them from the 'bad guys'. I would just like to know what they mean by this and how responsible is 'responsible' - what to they have to do to achieve this 'status'. As far as I'm concerned, those keeping a loaded weapon (locked away or not) are not 'responsible'. Some may think so. Are there 'rules' for responsible gun ownership?
apparently you just have to be Merican.
A responsible gun owner is someone like Dick Cheney and his hunting weapons.
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Was he Cosmo? We don't know. Sure, it would seem he obtained his guns legally, but was he responsible? Was he law-abiding?
This 'law abiding responsible' thing wasn't about what you wrote, Cosmo. Some here justify gun ownership (which ever gun and how many one may want) by talking about these people, differentiating them from the 'bad guys'. I would just like to know what they mean by this and how responsible is 'responsible' - what to they have to do to achieve this 'status'. As far as I'm concerned, those keeping a loaded weapon (locked away or not) are not 'responsible'. Some may think so. Are there 'rules' for responsible gun ownership?
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I don't know. I mean, did he or did he not obtain his guns and ammo legally? I don't think he had any criminal convictions or if he was ever even arrested. Was he? I don't know.
The same thing goes for the guy in Maine that was en route to shoot up his former workplace... was he a responsible gun owner? I mean, technically, he never shot anyone. If he is freed of all charges, should he get his arsenal back? Maybe he was responsible... except for that 'going over to kill everyone in the office' thing.
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I too am ready to move beyond the Miss Ruby story. I'm glad no further harm came to her.
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I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna go down to the local Wal-Mart to buy a gun and drive over and shoot that old Ruby lady, myself.
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Was he Cosmo? We don't know. Sure, it would seem he obtained his guns legally, but was he responsible? Was he law-abiding?
This 'law abiding responsible' thing wasn't about what you wrote, Cosmo. Some here justify gun ownership (which ever gun and how many one may want) by talking about these people, differentiating them from the 'bad guys'. I would just like to know what they mean by this and how responsible is 'responsible' - what to they have to do to achieve this 'status'. As far as I'm concerned, those keeping a loaded weapon (locked away or not) are not 'responsible'. Some may think so. Are there 'rules' for responsible gun ownership?
...
I don't know. I mean, did he or did he not obtain his guns and ammo legally? I don't think he had any criminal convictions or if he was ever even arrested. Was he? I don't know.
The same thing goes for the guy in Maine that was en route to shoot up his former workplace... was he a responsible gun owner? I mean, technically, he never shot anyone. If he is freed of all charges, should he get his arsenal back? Maybe he was responsible... except for that 'going over to kill everyone in the office' thing.
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But maybe you are like some here and side with those who are the victimizers,
not with the victim ...
your countless attempts at character assassination of others based on nothing but presumptions is tiresome. you can't even answer the questions, just all this nonsense about "miss ruby".
I am Canadian. But more than that I am human. This discussion is not, and SHOULD NOT BE, restricted to Americans. I care about all human rights and life, not just those of my countrymen. I have friends and relatives in America. I think this discussion should be had by all, not just by those who live within your borders.
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But maybe you are like some here and side with those who are the victimizers,
not with the victim ...
your countless attempts at character assassination of others based on nothing but presumptions is tiresome. you can't even answer the questions, just all this nonsense about "miss ruby".
I am Canadian. But more than that I am human. This discussion is not, and SHOULD NOT BE, restricted to Americans. I care about all human rights and life, not just those of my countrymen. I have friends and relatives in America. I think this discussion should be had by all, not just by those who live within your borders.
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Hey, wait... who was it that said the victims were subject to their own stupidity by not being prepared or well-trained in the loaded weapons arts?
I don't recall it being you, Hugh... maybe it was...
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Hey, wait... who was it that said the victims were subject to their own stupidity by not being prepared or well-trained in the loaded weapons arts?
I don't recall it being you, Hugh... maybe it was...
it absolutely was not.
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Also, trying to apply one isolated incident to all gun related incidents just proves one thing... that in that one isolated incident, a favorable outcome result... but, it does not serve as any support to that side of the debate. So, seriously, let's give it a fuckig rest already. We get the point, even if the point doesn't add weight nor value to the conversation.
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Winnipeg 2005
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St. Paul 2014
I too am ready to move beyond the Miss Ruby story. I'm glad no further harm came to her.
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I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna go down to the local Wal-Mart to buy a gun and drive over and shoot that old Ruby lady, myself.
:shock: Just put an end to the madness!!! I hope she lives to a ripe old age of 109 and I hope I NEVER HEAR ABOUT THIS WOMAN AGAIN. I hope she spends the rest of her days in total anonymity :thumbup:
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goodnight 8:36am
y'all get after it very early in the day. if only congress worked as hard as y'all at debating/arguing things would probably maybe get done. so i ask... are y'all getting anywhere over here tossing the gun laws back and forth.
nicely done...
btw, who is this poor misses ruby i keep reading about in your posts, pand? can you direct me to the story on her and whatever it is that she has done with a gun?
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same mister antonis,an old guy a corner from my house ,78 years old,he left his shot gun on the table after hunting,his 11 years old grandchild take it to play,and shot his 7 years old brother..
no if...i was there..
and i dont get "that blood on my hands..isnt my opinion that try to kill miss ruby
guns are dangerous....especially to people dont have a clue how it works or trained..
seems that usa guns protect people,and at greece kill people..
must be cos of the different hemisphere
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Good for Miss Ruby - can we move on now? Miss Ruby was probably never in 'grave' danger. Two unarmed petty thieves KNOCKED three times at her door, waiting before they came in, expecting an empty house. They are the type of burglars that would not enter a home if they heard noise or someone shouted back at them. No way diminishing Ruby Hodge's courage but please... let's not have so much histrionics around this.
Cold hearts, blood on their hands, senseless, insensitive posts (like it's not happening :? ) Please... Can we be done with this melodramatic rhetoric and maybe 'read' (really 'read') what people are saying instead of going off on one tangent over and over again?
Dimi's story - Mr Antonis. He has lived it, seen it. A real story - a hundred of those for each 'Ruby Hodge' story. Here three lives shattered - one 7 year old dead, one 11 brother and one 78 grand-father scarred for life, never being able to forgive themselves (not mentioning the rest of the family). All that because of a loaded weapon left within reach (just like Hodge's loaded gun under her pillow).
Dimi made very good observations in the post with regards to addressing the root of the problem, ie help create a better life for a better future, hope. Help bring people 'up' - not leaving them so disillusioned that one thinks crime/violence is their only way out. What about elaborating on this? How try to improve on the ROOT of the problem (which goes beyond the ease of acquiring firearms).
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The talk of "blood on your hands" is again laying blame on people who aren't the perpetrators, or even bystanders in this situation. Let's keep the blame with the people who perpetrate the crimes.
We all want our communities to be safer; we just have different ideas about how to do that. A good healthy discussion and debate is a positive thing. I love hearing other people's points of view. I don't think it's helpful, however, to lay blame where it doesn't belong. That is distracting.
Dimi's post points to the fact that there are many accidents that happen as a result of guns.
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ah no it's the people's fault in the movies who weren't armed.. it's their fault they couldn't defend themselves. It would have been like in the street fight scene in heat. I want to walk around with a semi automatic.. I would feel so tough and just in case someone tries to come at me I will be able to defend myself Zimmerman style.
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Bless you and the voices of reason in this thread.
its also changed from a love all be all thing to a more partisan viewpoint.
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True and mea culpa as well. Shame - an interesting topic, looking into all the perceived causes (root and higher level), the why and how 'we' got to this point and what can be done about it. If one could engage in this debate without histrionics or flippancy it could be a very good and informative exchange.
on the gun control topic, it seems proponents focus on the right to bear arms verbiage in the amendment, leaving out the start of the amendment which is "A well REGULATED militia......."
It would seem to me a history lesson surrounding the amendment about why and how it came to be written as it is would be in order.
The little I've read , it seems this was prior to having a standing army or in lieu of a standing army would the citizenry be almost compelled to aquire arms for the purpose of national defense among other things. Also as a safe gaurd against the gov getting ot big for its britches.( which I will agree it is)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
The English had a bit about Protestants having the right to bear arms.... think they moved on from that!
Also, why is the US so reluctant to look at other models that have a proven track record? And it's not because they are so unique that nothing anyone else does will work - that's rubbish. I'm not even talking from a political point of view (we know the influence of the gun lobby) but from a more 'human point of view'.
It's obvious from all these tragic mass shootings and from 'everyday' gun deaths (whatever the reason - crime, accident, suicide) that it's too easy to purchase firearms, whether appropriate or inappropriate for the reasons one may have (or lack thereof!) and this needs some serious looking into. No one is calling for an outright ban - let that be clear. What also needs to be looked into is why all this violence, this need for arms. Poverty, lack of jobs, disillusion, lack of education, lack of hope, breakdown of the family, no support? All probable causes.... What can be done about that? Either from the citizen himself/herself or the government - both probably.
If you did or do any of the things listed above, then, by all means, compare cars to guns... or knives and baseball bats to guns. That would be a reasoned arguement because of the dual use of each.
We all know the difference between a gun and a car, for example. Like, if I see a guy driving a car, I don't give it much thought. If I see that same guy walk into the taco joint with a gun... well, then I will have a grea deal of concern. I guess I'm just wierd that way.
Also, trying to apply one isolated incident to all gun related incidents just proves one thing... that in that one isolated incident, a favorable outcome result... but, it does not serve as any support to that side of the debate. So, seriously, let's give it a fuckig rest already. We get the point, even if the point doesn't add weight nor value to the conversation.
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Again... MOST reasonable gun control advocates are asking to just make it more difficult for people who should own guns... to own guns. Let me specify... all I am saying in that it is way too easy for some fucking nutcase to get a gun. I don't want to take guns from law-abiding responsible gun owners... I don't want nut cases walking around with guns.
That's all.
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At the risk of repeating myself, I still haven't come across anyone wishing to tell me what is a 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner' and how they reconcile 'responsible' (ie storing guns responsibly for those that have them at home for example) and one's preparedness for immediate action of self protection in case of say, home invasion, or sudden confrontation with a 'bad guy' in one's home. What does a gun owner need to do to be 'responsible'? And 'law abiding' - does that mean no brush with the law whatsoever (eg driving offense, marital dispute...)?
When does one then become 'irresponsible' and 'non law-abiding'? Should something be done about the firearms this person has then?
NOTE: I added that because I don't really feel up to a never ending circular discussion about outlawed gun, outlaws would have guns... bumper sticker logic/arguements.
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Of note... wasn't James Holmes a 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner', before he shot up that movie house? I mean, prior to that mass murder, wasn't he the same as any other 'law-abiding, responsible gun owner'?
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This 'law abiding responsible' thing wasn't about what you wrote, Cosmo. Some here justify gun ownership (which ever gun and how many one may want) by talking about these people, differentiating them from the 'bad guys'. I would just like to know what they mean by this and how responsible is 'responsible' - what to they have to do to achieve this 'status'. As far as I'm concerned, those keeping a loaded weapon (locked away or not) are not 'responsible'. Some may think so. Are there 'rules' for responsible gun ownership?
I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna go down to the local Wal-Mart to buy a gun and drive over and shoot that old Ruby lady, myself.
Hail, Hail!!!
A responsible gun owner is someone like Dick Cheney and his hunting weapons.
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you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
(OBVIOUS DISCLAIMER - I am not advocating the actual taking down of Miss Ruby)
I don't know. I mean, did he or did he not obtain his guns and ammo legally? I don't think he had any criminal convictions or if he was ever even arrested. Was he? I don't know.
The same thing goes for the guy in Maine that was en route to shoot up his former workplace... was he a responsible gun owner? I mean, technically, he never shot anyone. If he is freed of all charges, should he get his arsenal back? Maybe he was responsible... except for that 'going over to kill everyone in the office' thing.
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Page, who served in the military for six years but was never stationed overseas, was a psychological operations specialist and Hawk Missile System repairman. He was awarded the Army Commendation Medal, Army Achievement Medal, Army Good Conduct award, the National Defense Service Medal, Humanitarian Service Medal and Parachutist Badge. While stationed at Fort Bragg, N.C., in 1998, he was disciplined for being drunk on duty and busted down from sergeant to specialist, sources told Reuters. He was not eligible to re-enlist, the sources said.
Once booted, the Colorado native, who said he began playing guitar at age 13, apparently traveled the country, attending skinhead festivals that may have helped solidify his warped world view. Before his move to Milwaukee, Page was based in Littleton, Colo., from 2000 to 2007, 9News reported. A man bearing the same name was reportedly convicted of DUI in 1999 in Denver. Page was also ticketed for driving without a valid license in 1999, according to 9News.
Godfather.
your countless attempts at character assassination of others based on nothing but presumptions is tiresome. you can't even answer the questions, just all this nonsense about "miss ruby".
I am Canadian. But more than that I am human. This discussion is not, and SHOULD NOT BE, restricted to Americans. I care about all human rights and life, not just those of my countrymen. I have friends and relatives in America. I think this discussion should be had by all, not just by those who live within your borders.
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Hey, wait... who was it that said the victims were subject to their own stupidity by not being prepared or well-trained in the loaded weapons arts?
I don't recall it being you, Hugh... maybe it was...
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it absolutely was not.
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