It doesn't take being an Einstein to know that by passing more laws on the law abiding
will do nothing to hinder crime nor keep the law abiding safe, quite the contrary...
There's no way you can predict that.
What about this Holmes person who bought an AR-15. What if he was dead set on going on this killing spree and couldnt get his hands on one? Maybe he settles for the handguns and kills fewer people. I know, you're going to say he'd do anything to get it legally or not. I disagree...but that's the point, none of us can predict. All we can do is look at the facts -- that there are a lot of accidents that outweigh hero situations, and some people are using legally obtained weapons such as AR-15s (that many feel are unnecessary to the public) to commit mass murder.
It doesn't take an Einstein to encourage gun safety not discourage gun ownership.
To be respecting of the rights of others ...
not limiting them because they themselves see no need for a gun in their own lives.
Encourage gun safety? We all know how far that will go.
And again, most here arent for an all out ban -- and most arent so selfish that we want better laws because we dont have a personal need for a gun in our own lives. Thats just silly. I wish you would stop making it like its a personal crusade. We just think things could be better and lives could be saved. I'm sick of seeing a kids shot in an accidents all the time.
I will find some statistics that show the laws on the law abiding are not stopping crime here in the US
those states with the strictest laws, etc show the laws do not work on the criminals..
gee I wonder why :fp:
But you could care less about the lives saved by those who had a gun ?? ...
kids won't be dying if gun safety laws are in place so why don't you try that instead
of taking guns from law abiding responsible people?
Such a small portion. We always hear about the stories that make the news for one reason or another and then hold thrm as our example, which happens with a lot of things. Small studies can still provide significant findings. What matters is if the results are significant (statistically speaking). I've been wanting to see some studies from peer reviewed sources. This and the link from Harvard have been particularly helpful.
Elana...is how media works..
but how many stories of self-defence like that with that lady will exist out there..5-10-20----??
there comes one crazy fucker,take some guns so easily no matter how fucknuts he is
noone ask him,who is,what he needs them for,if he is crazy,or what..
and in 2-3 min he shoots 50 people...
i dont need any other exable to understand what guns can do...and to be against them..
I agree. That's why media literacy is so important. The way things are reported has a huge impact. That's initially what I took issue with in the Miss Ruby story.
I think we've seen enough examples lately of people we all agree shouldn't have acess to guns being able to legal obtaining them to have cause for concern. The hardest thing is that hard as we try, we just can't predict behavior. Sometimes we come close, but there are no absolutes. It's a scary risk to take and in some cases, tragic.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Good lord! I thought the disclaimer would've prevented a tone of a response.
You really think my or Cosmo's comments meant a desired wipeout of the now-infamous-on-the-AMT Miss Ruby?
So be it.
...
Well... you gotta admit, at least the consistency is still there... missing the point 99.99917% of the time.
...
The original comment was not so much directed at that old Ruby lady, rather, it was aimed more towards the never-ending, incessant, long, repetative re-hashed over-use of her story in order to support a position in a complicated, multi-faceted Constitutional discussion. It's like having a knitting needle plunged into my ear.
...
Note: Having a knitting needle plunged into the ear is a figurative narration and does not imply that plunging a knitting needle into one's ear is neither recommended or condoned.
...
Don't you hate it when you have to explain jokes to the ones whose head they fly over?
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Hail, Hail!!!
those states with the strictest laws, etc show the laws do not work on the criminals..
gee I wonder why :fp:
facepalm all you want, we're not talking specifically about criminals. How about you stop tailoring this to fit your agenda? You're wrong about the laws.
But you could care less about the lives saved by those who had a gun ?? ...
:? :roll:
Again, please stop with the drama. You're assuming too much. Of course I appreciated your gun savior Ms.Ruby. She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible. She didnt have an AR-15 she bought on the internet without a background check. If she had the latter, i'd be concerned.
kids won't be dying if gun safety laws are in place so why don't you try that instead
of taking guns from law abiding responsible people?
You can assume that, but ITS NOT WORKING. And what other gun safety laws would work better? what do you mean by gun safety laws anyway? Mandatory classes where they explain to owners that the AR-15 they just purchased could kill a kid if its not locked up correctly?? I'd go for that. Would it help a little? Maybe.
WASHINGTON—In the wake of the shooting that left seven dead at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, WI, the nation's assault weapons held a press conference today in which they pleaded with lawmakers to please just make them illegal.
Speaking on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of highly accessible American firearms that are reportedly "tired of taking the lives of innocent people," a group of military-designated, semiautomatic weapons pleaded for legislation that would immediately take them off the market and "far, far away from any psychos who would want to murder civilians."
"Every day we have to live with the overwhelming guilt and sorrow of knowing we've been used to brutally and senselessly murder people," said an M16, who read from a prepared statement while flanked by more than a dozen fellow assault weapons. "How many more human beings do we have to kill before lawmakers finally prohibit private citizens from buying us? Enough is enough already."
"Christ, do you have any idea how many children there are out there whom I could potentially murder at any given moment?" the 5.56 mm rifle added. "Don’t you at least want to keep us away from your kids?"
Maintaining composure while delivering the address, the group of highly powerful guns asked that lawmakers "at the bare minimum, for God's sake," raise restrictions so that mentally ill people could no longer get their hands on weapons and use them to kill people in public places.
The firearms furthered their argument by asking if anyone present could provide "even one logical reason why a civilian would ever need an assault weapon in the first place."
"I understand the second amendment means a lot to some people, but if it means we're going to be in the hands of violent, mentally disturbed individuals, then I, personally, don't want any part of it," said a Glock 19 semiautomatic sidearm, taking the stage as its fellow assault weapons silently nodded in the background. "I don't want to have to look terrified, helpless people directly in the eye while killing them. Do you people have any idea what that's like? It’s an absolute nightmare."
The consortium of military-grade weapons then proceeded to discard numerous rounds of armor-piercing bullets on a table in front of them, begging reporters to "take these away, take them all away before anyone else gets hurt."
"Every time this happens, whether it's Wisconsin or Aurora or Arizona, you all talk about finally criminalizing us, but it never, ever happens," said an emotional AK-47, who was being comforted by a pair of TEC-9s. "We're tired of being used to kill people, goddamn it. And we're scared. We're scared of what we're going to be used for next."
"If you people have any sense of common decency, you will do the right thing here," the assault rifle added. "Please, please, look into your hearts."
At press time, the nation's assault weapons returned to their homes, where their owners repeatedly and aggressively emptied them into moving cardboard targets.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
Wow... seeing this listed is scary reading:
Colorado Gun Laws
Colorado residents voted overwhelmingly to close the gun show loophole in November of 2000, but Colorado elected officials have done nothing more to protect its residents from gun violence. Amendment 22, to close the gun show loophole by requiring Brady background checks on all gun show sales, passed by a margin of 70%-30%.
The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase
Well... you gotta admit, at least the consistency is still there... missing the point 99.99917% of the time.
...
The original comment was not so much directed at that old Ruby lady, rather, it was aimed more towards the never-ending, incessant, long, repetative re-hashed over-use of her story in order to support a position in a complicated, multi-faceted Constitutional discussion. It's like having a knitting needle plunged into my ear.
...
Note: Having a knitting needle plunged into the ear is a figurative narration and does not imply that plunging a knitting needle into one's ear is neither recommended or condoned.
...
Don't you hate it when you have to explain jokes to the ones whose head they fly over?
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase
Scary indeed, especially the first two. And combined? Holy shit.
Stumbled upon this site - the Brady Campaign. Lots of info there. Yes, it's a campaign for stricter controls so not 'neutral' but it has a lot of pertinent and relevant info (such as the gun laws in Colorado from my previous post) http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/
Stumbled upon this site - the Brady Campaign. Lots of info there. Yes, it's a campaign for stricter controls so not 'neutral' but it has a lot of pertinent and relevant info (such as the gun laws in Colorado from my previous post) http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/
Says it all.
But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:
2.5m Let's not exagerate!
...
I think I remember that during my research (which consisted of reading about something I think I heard about on FOX News), that the true number is closer to one million,zillion and 5ive.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..
Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?
...
I think I remember that during my research (which consisted of reading about something I think I heard about on FOX News), that the true number is closer to one million,zillion and 5ive.
Damn.. my sources must be wrong then. Let's start a media frenzy and a panic!
Stumbled upon this site - the Brady Campaign. Lots of info there. Yes, it's a campaign for stricter controls so not 'neutral' but it has a lot of pertinent and relevant info (such as the gun laws in Colorado from my previous post) http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/
9.484???in one year??
omg...
how many soldiers usa lost the last 20 years??..iraq,avganistan etc??
i bet less..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..
Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?
...
It's responsible because the 27 times the gun has discharged in the past, the bullet never killed anyone. Scared the holy shit out of the cat, but, no death, no foul.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase
Good grief. Honestly, if people are still going to argue that these shouldnt at least be considered slightly dangerous, I will just have to give up. I cant respect the thought of going online and getting a 50 caliber sniper with no waiting or background check, and NOT register it to boot!
Again, the USA has, by far, the most guns in the world-- And a problem that correlates. Just using simple statistics, putting more guns out there cant be the only choice we have. :?
She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible..
Was she? Being responsible is keeping your gun 'safe' in the home (avoids accidental use of firearms - such as kids getting their hands on them - GUN SAFETY!). It would seem the loaded weapon was kept under her pillow. Hardly responsible gun ownership, is it?
I was unaware of the pillow thing. Is that where they teach you to keep it in gun safety 101 class?
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
....but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. .
This is the kind of point that one needs to seriously look at. Not just for the aged, but also maybe for those that have had 'episodes' (see the thread about doctors asking patients about guns), those that have had a brush with the law, etc. And maybe just a regular check for any gun owner. Lots of talk about mental illness and those that 'slip through the net', etc. Maybe these kind of checks would help this as well. Gun licenses (when actually required :roll: ) are renewable licenses - why not do a bit more in-depth checks when renewing (and not just be able to do this my mail)? And revoke when necessary.
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
Totally agree with this. And it should pertain to driving as well!
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
i try to say earlier this in the thread,but your is in better english
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
Totally agree with this. And it should pertain to driving as well!
I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.
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I love you forever and forever
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Good lord! I thought the disclaimer would've prevented a tone of a response.
You really think my or Cosmo's comments meant a desired wipeout of the now-infamous-on-the-AMT Miss Ruby?
So be it.
...
Well... you gotta admit, at least the consistency is still there... missing the point 99.99917% of the time.
...
The original comment was not so much directed at that old Ruby lady, rather, it was aimed more towards the never-ending, incessant, long, repetative re-hashed over-use of her story in order to support a position in a complicated, multi-faceted Constitutional discussion. It's like having a knitting needle plunged into my ear.
...
Note: Having a knitting needle plunged into the ear is a figurative narration and does not imply that plunging a knitting needle into one's ear is neither recommended or condoned.
...
Don't you hate it when you have to explain jokes to the ones whose head they fly over?
I know who and what it was directed at and why ...
good lord and really who is supposed to be dense?
as I said there is a very good reason for Miss Ruby's story to be told and reminded
that I guess escapes some, the same some that dismiss her life.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
In the end, there is really only one approach that has been found to significantly reduce crime and violence in the U.S. That method is based on enforcing our current laws against the violent felons that illegally possess firearms. It is those individuals, who have shown themselves incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, which should be the focus. Efforts in a number of U.S. cities and states have already begun using this tactic and the crime levels have immediately begun to fall. If one is truly interested in a reduction in violence and crime, then logic demands that our efforts be focused on those that commit the crimes.
"I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns..."
...
This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.
Not the mass shootings Zoso, but may reduce the deaths from 'responsibly and legally owned by law abiding citizens' firearms. These would be from accidental shootings, etc. Though as I mentioned, checks shouldn't just be for the aged.
Stronger gun laws would help those mass shootings (check out the ease of getting guns legally in Colorado!). Remember THREE QUARTER of mass shootings were with legally owned firearms (again owned by 'responsible, law abiding citizens).
It would be interesting to see RELIABLE and PROPERLY SOURCED statistics on how many 'illegal' guns are used by the 'bad guys' some keep on talking about in this thread compared those these same baddies may legally own.
Again, thinking about it if, following colorado laws one can be a legal owner of a gun with:
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
Any bad guy can have a legally owned weapon, couldn't he?
ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.
Two very different things! Look at source as well...
Sad reading that article - I'm sure the list could go on for pages.
"In fact, one study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage." Wow....
I'm not surprised.. parents shouldn't have guns anywhere near kids full stop.. but i THOUGHT THIS was a no brainer.. I guess for some people it is but not the majority.. people are going to be stupid but putting your kids life in danger with your stupidity is a whole other story.
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I love you forever and forever
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those states with the strictest laws, etc show the laws do not work on the criminals..
gee I wonder why :fp:
But you could care less about the lives saved by those who had a gun ?? ...
kids won't be dying if gun safety laws are in place so why don't you try that instead
of taking guns from law abiding responsible people?
I think we've seen enough examples lately of people we all agree shouldn't have acess to guns being able to legal obtaining them to have cause for concern. The hardest thing is that hard as we try, we just can't predict behavior. Sometimes we come close, but there are no absolutes. It's a scary risk to take and in some cases, tragic.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Well... you gotta admit, at least the consistency is still there... missing the point 99.99917% of the time.
...
The original comment was not so much directed at that old Ruby lady, rather, it was aimed more towards the never-ending, incessant, long, repetative re-hashed over-use of her story in order to support a position in a complicated, multi-faceted Constitutional discussion. It's like having a knitting needle plunged into my ear.
...
Note: Having a knitting needle plunged into the ear is a figurative narration and does not imply that plunging a knitting needle into one's ear is neither recommended or condoned.
...
Don't you hate it when you have to explain jokes to the ones whose head they fly over?
Hail, Hail!!!
I highly doubt you'll find that...How about you just take a look at this link that cincy posted a few days back:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... izona.html
The states with the MOST permissive gun laws had the most gun deaths per 100,000.
facepalm all you want, we're not talking specifically about criminals. How about you stop tailoring this to fit your agenda? You're wrong about the laws.
:? :roll:
Again, please stop with the drama. You're assuming too much. Of course I appreciated your gun savior Ms.Ruby. She had a handgun bought legally and was responsible. She didnt have an AR-15 she bought on the internet without a background check. If she had the latter, i'd be concerned.
You can assume that, but ITS NOT WORKING. And what other gun safety laws would work better? what do you mean by gun safety laws anyway? Mandatory classes where they explain to owners that the AR-15 they just purchased could kill a kid if its not locked up correctly?? I'd go for that. Would it help a little? Maybe.
WASHINGTON—In the wake of the shooting that left seven dead at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, WI, the nation's assault weapons held a press conference today in which they pleaded with lawmakers to please just make them illegal.
Speaking on behalf of the hundreds of thousands of highly accessible American firearms that are reportedly "tired of taking the lives of innocent people," a group of military-designated, semiautomatic weapons pleaded for legislation that would immediately take them off the market and "far, far away from any psychos who would want to murder civilians."
"Every day we have to live with the overwhelming guilt and sorrow of knowing we've been used to brutally and senselessly murder people," said an M16, who read from a prepared statement while flanked by more than a dozen fellow assault weapons. "How many more human beings do we have to kill before lawmakers finally prohibit private citizens from buying us? Enough is enough already."
"Christ, do you have any idea how many children there are out there whom I could potentially murder at any given moment?" the 5.56 mm rifle added. "Don’t you at least want to keep us away from your kids?"
Maintaining composure while delivering the address, the group of highly powerful guns asked that lawmakers "at the bare minimum, for God's sake," raise restrictions so that mentally ill people could no longer get their hands on weapons and use them to kill people in public places.
The firearms furthered their argument by asking if anyone present could provide "even one logical reason why a civilian would ever need an assault weapon in the first place."
"I understand the second amendment means a lot to some people, but if it means we're going to be in the hands of violent, mentally disturbed individuals, then I, personally, don't want any part of it," said a Glock 19 semiautomatic sidearm, taking the stage as its fellow assault weapons silently nodded in the background. "I don't want to have to look terrified, helpless people directly in the eye while killing them. Do you people have any idea what that's like? It’s an absolute nightmare."
The consortium of military-grade weapons then proceeded to discard numerous rounds of armor-piercing bullets on a table in front of them, begging reporters to "take these away, take them all away before anyone else gets hurt."
"Every time this happens, whether it's Wisconsin or Aurora or Arizona, you all talk about finally criminalizing us, but it never, ever happens," said an emotional AK-47, who was being comforted by a pair of TEC-9s. "We're tired of being used to kill people, goddamn it. And we're scared. We're scared of what we're going to be used for next."
"If you people have any sense of common decency, you will do the right thing here," the assault rifle added. "Please, please, look into your hearts."
At press time, the nation's assault weapons returned to their homes, where their owners repeatedly and aggressively emptied them into moving cardboard targets.
Colorado Gun Laws
Colorado residents voted overwhelmingly to close the gun show loophole in November of 2000, but Colorado elected officials have done nothing more to protect its residents from gun violence. Amendment 22, to close the gun show loophole by requiring Brady background checks on all gun show sales, passed by a margin of 70%-30%.
The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase
http://www.bradycampaign.org/about/
Astute article
Says it all.
But, but guns stop 8 billion murders to old ladies each night! :roll:
I think I remember that during my research (which consisted of reading about something I think I heard about on FOX News), that the true number is closer to one million,zillion and 5ive.
Hail, Hail!!!
omg...
how many soldiers usa lost the last 20 years??..iraq,avganistan etc??
i bet less..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
It's responsible because the 27 times the gun has discharged in the past, the bullet never killed anyone. Scared the holy shit out of the cat, but, no death, no foul.
Hail, Hail!!!
Good grief. Honestly, if people are still going to argue that these shouldnt at least be considered slightly dangerous, I will just have to give up. I cant respect the thought of going online and getting a 50 caliber sniper with no waiting or background check, and NOT register it to boot!
Again, the USA has, by far, the most guns in the world-- And a problem that correlates. Just using simple statistics, putting more guns out there cant be the only choice we have. :?
I was unaware of the pillow thing.
You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
This is the kind of point that one needs to seriously look at. Not just for the aged, but also maybe for those that have had 'episodes' (see the thread about doctors asking patients about guns), those that have had a brush with the law, etc. And maybe just a regular check for any gun owner. Lots of talk about mental illness and those that 'slip through the net', etc. Maybe these kind of checks would help this as well. Gun licenses (when actually required :roll: ) are renewable licenses - why not do a bit more in-depth checks when renewing (and not just be able to do this my mail)? And revoke when necessary.
http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm
One very smart man with good common sense
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.
Sha la la la i'm in love with a jersey girl
I love you forever and forever
Adel 03 Melb 1 03 LA 2 06 Santa Barbara 06 Gorge 1 06 Gorge 2 06 Adel 1 06 Adel 2 06 Camden 1 08 Camden 2 08 Washington DC 08 Hartford 08
ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.
I put another article a while back in this tread that showed a different opinion than your which i never saw you actually talk about.
also, i want to put another article up there and see what you think.
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a ... idents.htm
good lord and really who is supposed to be dense?
as I said there is a very good reason for Miss Ruby's story to be told and reminded
that I guess escapes some, the same some that dismiss her life.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
http://www.american-partisan.com/cols/blanks/081400.htm
In the end, there is really only one approach that has been found to significantly reduce crime and violence in the U.S. That method is based on enforcing our current laws against the violent felons that illegally possess firearms. It is those individuals, who have shown themselves incapable of responsibly owning a firearm, which should be the focus. Efforts in a number of U.S. cities and states have already begun using this tactic and the crime levels have immediately begun to fall. If one is truly interested in a reduction in violence and crime, then logic demands that our efforts be focused on those that commit the crimes.
it just makes to much sense for some I guess ...
Two very different things! Look at source as well...
Sad reading that article - I'm sure the list could go on for pages.
"In fact, one study showed that 85% of parents who owned guns did not practice safe gun storage." Wow....
but at least we had 1 person save themselves by having a gun.
This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.
Hail, Hail!!!
Stronger gun laws would help those mass shootings (check out the ease of getting guns legally in Colorado!). Remember THREE QUARTER of mass shootings were with legally owned firearms (again owned by 'responsible, law abiding citizens).
It would be interesting to see RELIABLE and PROPERLY SOURCED statistics on how many 'illegal' guns are used by the 'bad guys' some keep on talking about in this thread compared those these same baddies may legally own.
Again, thinking about it if, following colorado laws one can be a legal owner of a gun with:
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
Any bad guy can have a legally owned weapon, couldn't he?
I'm not surprised.. parents shouldn't have guns anywhere near kids full stop.. but i THOUGHT THIS was a no brainer.. I guess for some people it is but not the majority.. people are going to be stupid but putting your kids life in danger with your stupidity is a whole other story.
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