Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

just saw this on TV...

89-Year Old Woman Saved By Owning A Gun...

Malboro County, SC (WPDE/CNN) - Two men reportedly broke into a great-grandmother's South Carolina home, and the elderly woman made sure the thieves didn't steal a thing.

"I sleep with my pistol," said 89-year-old Ruby Hodge.

That's what she says saved her from would-be burglars Monday morning.

"About 8 o'clock I hadn't got up out of bed and I heard somebody knocking on my door which I did not answer the knock then," she said.

Before she could even get out of bed, two men broke in Ruby's back door and made their way inside.

"Then I heard a loud noise and I said it was somebody broken in my door," she said.

At this point, the great-grandmother says she knew what she had to do.

"And I got my pistol and I met them right outside of my bedroom. Right inside of my bedroom door, two black men passed and they were two medium black men and they were dressed in black and when they saw me standing in there with my pistol, they left and run," said Ruby.

She pressed her emergency alert button that she wears around her neck. It alerted 911 dispatchers, who sent deputies to her house within five minutes. Ruby's daughter and niece got there a few minutes later.

"She has always said that she had a gun and if it came she would shoot," said her daughter, Helen Caison.

"My aunt will be 90-yearsold in October and she held her own. And when the people were breaking in and they saw her, she had hit the lifeline button and also had her pistol turned on them they turned around and high-tailed it out of here. I'm so proud of her," said Rebecca McArthur.

Ruby says she's worked hard all her life and should be able to live in peace in her home.

Just in case something threatens that, she's got her piece nearby.

Police say they've tracked down the two men suspected of breaking into Hodge's home.

Both face burglary and damage to property charges.

WPDE/CNN

She's AWESOME!

It's interesting that they mention the race of the 2 men, but not that of Ruby. Also, there's no mention if they might perhaps be mentally ill. :think:

Media bias at its finest.

They showed Miss Ruby on CNN in an interview so I think that is why ...
this was taken I believe from that.

Race not an issue, I don't think, for the media, the victims of crime or those
who choose to protect themselves.
A bad guy is just that, a bad guy (guy used as human)

pandora

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

I was responding to your post revealing you would not attempt to understand
this man or the mental illness that caused this man to do what he did,
if in fact they find him to be ill. Commenting on what you shared for us to know.

It is true though, we do not agree,
I have compassion for those who are victims of mental illness, I feel they should be forgiven,
because they really know not what they do ... literally.


Another psychologist on CNN today very informative, shares my belief as well.
He has an extreme case of a thought disorder, such as schizophrenia.

Why "revealing" was italicized, I don't know. And how you surmised a lack of compassion on my part...

OK.

Good on ya for being the bigger, forgiving person.

Revealing as in you yourself told us, not an assumption on my part I was responding to
your words alone.

As far as compassion, for me, that comes from life experience and knowing
first hand about schizophrenia. I have said a number of times, if he is not found to
be mentally ill there is no empathy. If he is he is not competent and most especially
with schizophrenia was in a delusional state.

I was troubled when a rational mind used the term motive for the killings
if indeed he has this illness.
They spoke of a bad grade that caused him to be violent.
What they don't get is the bad grade came from the illness.
And from that more delusion, sinking deeper into a world far from reality,
so far from rational that most people who have never experienced
or witnessed this can not grasp.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

They showed Miss Ruby on CNN in an interview so I think that is why ...
this was taken I believe from that.

Race not an issue, I don't think, for the media, the victims of crime or those
who choose to protect themselves.
A bad guy is just that, a bad guy (guy used as human)

So why include their race at all? "two medium black men and they were dressed in black " is not enough of a description for identification purposes. And again - no mention if they might be mentally ill. I mean you'd have to be crazy to break into someone's house, unarmed, while they're home. Or maybe not.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

They showed Miss Ruby on CNN in an interview so I think that is why ...
this was taken I believe from that.

Race not an issue, I don't think, for the media, the victims of crime or those
who choose to protect themselves.
A bad guy is just that, a bad guy (guy used as human)

So why include their race at all? "two medium black men and they were dressed in black " is not enough of a description for identification purposes. And again - no mention if they might be mentally ill. I mean you'd have to be crazy to break into someone's house, unarmed, while they're home. Or maybe not.

Because this is how she described them to responding officers.

Mentally ill? I guess we'll see but that was a crime for gain wouldn't you say?
So you believe the bad guys got guns then most all the time
and we should not protect ourselves?

and not crazy, stupid or otherwise impaired
if you knew they were an 89 year old woman alone.

here's another a local woman...
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local ... man/nP2cH/

Lucky and unlucky at the same time

To think someones lives all their lives to have to be a victim of these thugs who care nothing
about life and understand not at all what it is like to be old.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

What they don't get is the bad grade came from the illness.
And from that more delusion, sinking deeper into a world far from reality,
so far from rational that most people who have never experienced
or witnessed this can not grasp.

Not necessarily. The poor grade (which I don't believe was confirmed by the school) could be a sign of his decompensation. However, there have been conflicting reports about his intelligence and statements by former supervisors that it's been greatly overblown. A former mentor said he was a "mediocre" student and another neuroscientist called him a "dolt." The grade could have been a part of the narcissistic injury, rather than a sign of decompensation. He may believe himself to be more accomplished than he is. We just don't know at this point. There is not enough information to make any firm conclusions.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

People buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns. Do I have that right? But we don't need stricter gun laws? As long as it's as easy or easier for the bad guys to get the guns I will maintain we need stronger gun control.

huh?

so you think bad guys are law abiding folk?

bad guys don't follow laws they will and do get guns illegally but
you know this though.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

They showed Miss Ruby on CNN in an interview so I think that is why ...
this was taken I believe from that.

Race not an issue, I don't think, for the media, the victims of crime or those
who choose to protect themselves.
A bad guy is just that, a bad guy (guy used as human)

So why include their race at all? "two medium black men and they were dressed in black " is not enough of a description for identification purposes. And again - no mention if they might be mentally ill. I mean you'd have to be crazy to break into someone's house, unarmed, while they're home. Or maybe not.

Because this is how she described them to responding officers.

Mentally ill? I guess we'll see but that was a crime for gain wouldn't you say?
So you believe the bad guys got guns then most all the time
and we should not protect ourselves?

and not crazy, stupid or otherwise impaired
if you knew they were an 89 year old woman alone.

here's another a local woman...
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local ... man/nP2cH/

Lucky and unlucky at the same time

To think someones lives all their lives to have to be a victim of these thugs who care nothing
about life and understand not at all what it is like to be old.

So maybe miss Ruby is the one that's biased, all while packing heat.

We have not idea if the crime was for gain. The report said they left without taking anything. We don't know if that was their intention. That was an assumption made by the victim, the officers and the media. Why couldn't they be just as impaired as the Aurora shooter? This is an example of the bias people were referring to earlier (not sure if it was this thread or the other).

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

What they don't get is the bad grade came from the illness.
And from that more delusion, sinking deeper into a world far from reality,
so far from rational that most people who have never experienced
or witnessed this can not grasp.

Not necessarily. The poor grade (which I don't believe was confirmed by the school) could be a sign of his decompensation. However, there have been conflicting reports about his intelligence and statements by former supervisors that it's been greatly overblown. A former mentor said he was a "mediocre" student and another neuroscientist called him a "dolt." The grade could have been a part of the narcissistic injury, rather than a sign of decompensation. He may believe himself to be more accomplished than he is. We just don't know at this point. There is not enough information to make any firm conclusions.

My conclusion is firm and has been from the onset, I'm not alone.
We'll see what comes out as to his mental state, that is all we can do.

The rational minds will figure it out

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

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So why include their race at all? "two medium black men and they were dressed in black " is not enough of a description for identification purposes. And again - no mention if they might be mentally ill. I mean you'd have to be crazy to break into someone's house, unarmed, while they're home. Or maybe not.

Because this is how she described them to responding officers.

Mentally ill? I guess we'll see but that was a crime for gain wouldn't you say?
So you believe the bad guys got guns then most all the time
and we should not protect ourselves?

and not crazy, stupid or otherwise impaired
if you knew they were an 89 year old woman alone.

here's another a local woman...
http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/local ... man/nP2cH/

Lucky and unlucky at the same time

To think someones lives all their lives to have to be a victim of these thugs who care nothing
about life and understand not at all what it is like to be old.

So maybe miss Ruby is the one that's biased, all while packing heat.

We have not idea if the crime was for gain. The report said they left without taking anything. We don't know if that was their intention. That was an assumption made by the victim, the officers and the media. Why couldn't they be just as impaired as the Aurora shooter? This is an example of the bias people were referring to earlier (not sure if it was this thread or the other).

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

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We'll see what comes out as to his mental state, that is all we can do.

Exactly

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

I'm pointing out that the description included in the media report would not be sufficient for identification purposes and did not need to be included. They were identified as black and their was no mention of the fact that they might be mentally ill. It's an example of media bias.

Maybe they will Pandora. Someone else in Maryland did. It seems to be contagious.

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

People buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns. Do I have that right? But we don't need stricter gun laws? As long as it's as easy or easier for the bad guys to get the guns I will maintain we need stronger gun control.

huh?

so you think bad guys are law abiding folk?

bad guys don't follow laws they will and do get guns illegally but
you know this though.

No clue how you got that conclusion from that sentence.

It's easy for the bad guys to get guns, right? That shows we need better gun control. That's as clear as I can say it.

ComeToTX

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

I'm pointing out that the description included in the media report would not be sufficient for identification purposes and did not need to be included. They were identified as black and their was no mention of the fact that they might be mentally ill. It's an example of media bias.

Maybe they will Pandora. Someone else in Maryland did. It seems to be contagious.

I haven't seen anywhere where he thought he was in a movie.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

I'm pointing out that the description included in the media report would not be sufficient for identification purposes and did not need to be included. They were identified as black and their was no mention of the fact that they might be mentally ill. It's an example of media bias.

Maybe they will Pandora. Someone else in Maryland did. It seems to be contagious.

I haven't seen anywhere where he thought he was in a movie.

This is the mind of a schizophrenic and yes experts have spoke of this as has eye witnesses
inside the jail. A total break with reality.

And this movie and that character could certainly do that for one predisposed to this illness.

We got sane people dressing up

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

People buy guns to protect themselves from people with guns. Do I have that right? But we don't need stricter gun laws? As long as it's as easy or easier for the bad guys to get the guns I will maintain we need stronger gun control.

huh?

so you think bad guys are law abiding folk?

bad guys don't follow laws they will and do get guns illegally but
you know this though.

No clue how you got that conclusion from that sentence.

It's easy for the bad guys to get guns, right? That shows we need better gun control. That's as clear as I can say it.

better define bad guys ... are you including a mentally ill person?
Because we do have laws not being enforced.

If you mean your run of the mill criminal well that word pretty much covers my point.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

I'm pointing out that the description included in the media report would not be sufficient for identification purposes and did not need to be included. They were identified as black and their was no mention of the fact that they might be mentally ill. It's an example of media bias.

Maybe they will Pandora. Someone else in Maryland did. It seems to be contagious.

it is going around for sure all this f'n meth and zombie drugs ...

I am always very happy when they include race in the description of bad guys who victimize
that are still on the loose. It is important for the public to know this.

Again her words were used, this not a written story but an account from an interview.

i see nothing wrong in saying the race.

Can you put yourself in her place?

When the time comes and statistics show they will for you or I
race is not a factor when you are looking death in the face.

ComeToTX

I'm including any person that wants to do harm to another person with a firearm.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

This is the mind of a schizophrenic and yes experts have spoke of this as has eye witnesses
inside the jail. A total break with reality.

And this movie and that character could certainly do that for one predisposed to this illness.

We got sane people dressing up

I haven't heard any confirmation that he's been diagnosed with schizophrenia. Not everyone who has a break with reality or acts bizarrely is schizophrenic. There can be other explanations for bizarre behavior. I spoke at length about this in another post - it may have been on the other thread. I think we should wait to label him as schizophrenic until that's confirmed.

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

pandora wrote:

Let me get this straight...
the little old lady victim is now at fault for giving a description
to the cops of 2 men that broke into her house to victimize her?
Good lord.

Call me crazy but these two guys broke in to rob and rough up a little old lady,
just a gut feeling
this is common sense but we'll wait to see if they are schizophrenic
and think they are the joker in a movie.

I'm pointing out that the description included in the media report would not be sufficient for identification purposes and did not need to be included. They were identified as black and their was no mention of the fact that they might be mentally ill. It's an example of media bias.

Maybe they will Pandora. Someone else in Maryland did. It seems to be contagious.

it is going around for sure all this f'n meth and zombie drugs ...

I am always very happy when they include race in the description of bad guys who victimize
that are still on the loose. It is important for the public to know this.

Again her words were used, this not a written story but an account from an interview.

i see nothing wrong in saying the race.

Can you put yourself in her place?

When the time comes and statistics show they will for you or I
race is not a factor when you are looking death in the face.

Yes - and substance abuse has a higher link to violence than mental illness.

I think a full description of a perp is much more helpful for identification purposes than a general mention of race. That just inclines the public to fear anyone of that race.

What makes you think I haven't stared death in the face? I will tell you that in the moment race is meaningless. And no - I didn't need a gun to survive

redrock

pandora wrote:

I am always very happy when they include race in the description of bad guys who victimize
that are still on the loose. It is important for the public to know this.

It is certainly not necessary in a news story. If it were two white guys breaking in a black lady's home, it wouldn't have been mentioned. Just fueling racial hatred. And why is it important for the public to know? This is not a full description (with potentially photofit) to enable recognition if need be. Is is therefore so gun toting, law abiding citizens/vigilantes can shoot at any black man dressed in black in the name of self defense? Seems a likely scenario from some who say carrying is almost a must to protect one's self. Pfft.