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No. It should be controlled more tightly. Only fridges and ice chests should be banned. :roll:
People can roll their eyes all they want. I just take things out to their logical conclusion. If one thing that is POTENTIALLY dangerous should become even more regualted and/or banned...shouldn't everything? I actually know for a fact with a well placed shot you can kill someone with a slingshot. Let's ban those too.
I don't think it's logical to compare completely unrelated things.
Oh, and yeah, I think everyone should need to get a psych evaluation to buy firearms, at their own expense.... it would start a new industry in the mental health care field too - good for the economy. Win-win!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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No. It should be controlled more tightly. Only fridges and ice chests should be banned. :roll:
People can roll their eyes all they want. I just take things out to their logical conclusion. If one thing that is POTENTIALLY dangerous should become even more regualted and/or banned...shouldn't everything? I actually know for a fact with a well placed shot you can kill someone with a slingshot. Let's ban those too.
I don't think it's logical to compare completely unrelated things.
Oh, and yeah, I think everyone should need to get a psych evaluation to buy firearms, at their own expense.... it would start a new industry in the mental health care field too - good for the economy. Win-win!
I'd be on board with that. For purely unselfish reasons of course
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I'm just not sure how you got that out of my statement. I didn't even reference guns in that statement. The logic eludes me. As does the last page and a half or so of this thread.
I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
I'm just not sure how you got that out of my statement. I didn't even reference guns in that statement. The logic eludes me. As does the last page and a half or so of this thread.
I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
Obviously. But everyone chooses to get in a car knowing the risks. No one chooses to be shot.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I don't think it's logical to compare completely unrelated things.
Oh, and yeah, I think everyone should need to get a psych evaluation to buy firearms, at their own expense.... it would start a new industry in the mental health care field too - good for the economy. Win-win!
How about a pysch evaluation to drive a car? How about to buy a set of steak knives? How about to buy a meat clever? How about to buy fertilizer that can be easily made into a bomb? How about for anything purchased, everyone is given a pysch evaluation?
I'm just not sure how you got that out of my statement. I didn't even reference guns in that statement. The logic eludes me. As does the last page and a half or so of this thread.
I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
Obviously. But everyone chooses to get in a car knowing the risks. No one chooses to be shot.
People standing on the sidewalk and get mowed down by an errand driver didn't choose to get in a car either.
I'm just not sure how you got that out of my statement. I didn't even reference guns in that statement. The logic eludes me. As does the last page and a half or so of this thread.
I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
I don't recall anyone saying that this was their biggest concern. And DS, as Mickeyrat stated earlier, you really seem intent on putting yourself out of business
Not to derail this very logical discussion, but there was just a report that Jared Loughner was assessed as competent to enter a plea in his case and plans to plead guilty
Someone on this thread keeps saying what they are saying is 'common' sense'.. I wish people were more careful about telling others what they are saying is 'common sense'
Also, considering that it has been shown that three quarters of the guns used in mass shootings were obtained legally - one would assume by 'responsible, law abiding citizens' as those are supposedly the only people that can purchase guns legally - it would also be useful to refrain using those terms in comparison to the 'bad guys'. Especially when one cannot define what this responsible, law abiding citizen is (it has already been questioned whether keeping a loaded weapon is being 'responsible' as we all know that gun and ammo should be kept separately under lock and key).
Maybe someone would like to take up this challenge and finally give everyone here an answer. What is a 'responsible, law abiding citizen' that can obtain a gun legally? What makes him/her more responsible than others? How is one 'responsible'? Do all 'responsible' owners have full training (physical and psychological) on gun use? Is the rest of the family 'safety trained'? How is one 'responsible' (say with gun storage) but still be prepared for the unexpected in case of a home intrusion of any kind (ie having the time to unlock cabinet where gun is stored - maybe in a different room - go to the second cabinet with ammo and get that, load gun, etc.)? Difficult, isn't it? Therefore if one cannot store guns safely without compromising his/her 'home defense', one is no longer 'responsible'? I guess law abiding is easier to define - would be one that would never break any laws whatsoever - does this person really exist?
Not being flippant or anything, just trying to understand what some people mean when they use certain terms.
what I'm trying to say is training in gun use isn't going to make them less likely or more likely to participate in a mass shooting..
I agree Zoso. But people who speak of 'responsible' gun owners speak of training. Just trying to understand what is meant by that and the impact of it on their 'responsible' gun ownership.
I don't think it's logical to compare completely unrelated things.
Oh, and yeah, I think everyone should need to get a psych evaluation to buy firearms, at their own expense.... it would start a new industry in the mental health care field too - good for the economy. Win-win!
How about a pysch evaluation to drive a car? How about to buy a set of steak knives? How about to buy a meat clever? How about to buy fertilizer that can be easily made into a bomb? How about for anything purchased, everyone is given a pysch evaluation?
I'd be in full support of everyone needing a full mental health workup before they can ever buy anything ever again. Ever. Can't blame a gal for wanting a little job security :eh:
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if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
Guess what. Don't keep your kid around a gun. You wouldn't put your hypothetical three year old on the shoulder of a highway would you?
i have made several points in my last few posts in this thread that i have directed at you and you are not responding to them. i thought we were going to have an intelligent conversation about guns? carry on with your banning of cars and icepicks... :fp:
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
And DS, as Mickeyrat stated earlier, you really seem intent on putting yourself out of business
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
Guess what. Don't keep your kid around a gun. You wouldn't put your hypothetical three year old on the shoulder of a highway would you?
i have made several points in my last few posts in this thread that i have directed at you and you are not responding to them. i thought we were going to have an intelligent conversation about guns? carry on with your banning of cars and icepicks... :fp:
I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
Obviously. But everyone chooses to get in a car knowing the risks. No one chooses to be shot.
People standing on the sidewalk and get mowed down by an errand driver didn't choose to get in a car either.
No, but pedestrians watch out for cars, take risks when they jay walk, know that cars are whizzing by. And it's not too common for people to aim their cars and run random people down on purpose either. That's really neither here nor there though. It doesn't make sense to compare cars and guns, and the conversation about that happened at least a couple of pages ago (I.e. cars provide enough benefit to justify the risks, whereas, in my and many other people's opinions, guns don't). So no need to beat a dead horse with the car argument, especially since they're not comparable for many reasons. You can't look at these issues in such black and white terms - it is just unhelpful and inevitably irrelevant. Just reread the thread to readdress the car thing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And DS, as Mickeyrat stated earlier, you really seem intent on putting yourself out of business
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
It's interesting though, because with each new car model, we see more safety features. We also see more traffic rules and regulations put in place; the guidelines on who can obtain a driver's license and when has changed. As our understanding of the risks has evolved, so have the safety measures and restrictions.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
And DS, as Mickeyrat stated earlier, you really seem intent on putting yourself out of business
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
It's interesting though, because with each new car model, we see more safety features. We also see more traffic rules and regulations put in place; the guidelines on who can obtain a driver's license and when has changed. As our understanding of the risks has evolved, so have the safety measures and restrictions.
A good point.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
i dont know..how i ll react,or how a girl will react..
having a gun will not change anything..probably ill shoot myself or my girlfriend cos of the panic of the attack,or ill forget i have a gun..or ill piss him more ill put the gun out and he will kill us,when he has in mind only to steal our money..
who knows..
and the normal is to go the funeral ill guess..ill not collect dna from crime scene,
its police job....
really,a simple civilian cant have answers to this things..
the suprise of attacking u whe n u dont expect it,is the same having a gun or not.
thats why policeman trained for this situation.
So what's the solution, D? More police? Cameras everywhere?
thats the problem my friend..good question
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
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As you say Dimi. Get to the root of this problem. It's not 'devaluation of life' or plain ol' violence - these have a reason to be - it goes deeper than that. Look at the source and try to fix it.
And DS, as Mickeyrat stated earlier, you really seem intent on putting yourself out of business
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
It's interesting though, because with each new car model, we see more safety features. We also see more traffic rules and regulations put in place; the guidelines on who can obtain a driver's license and when has changed. As our understanding of the risks has evolved, so have the safety measures and restrictions.
...and rules and regulations for legally owning a firearm have changed too! They're more strict than ownig a car...a much more dangerous "weapon" ( that the numbers already support.)
You can't look at these issues in such black and white terms
Sure I can. If the point for more strict gun control laws is to end death...start at the top. Cars not only kill more people overall compaered to guns not only by pure numbers but by percentage of population...ban the cars. I mean target the biggest problem first. Simple. Most people will be killed by cars this year....by far. Biggest percentage of premature deaths this year will be caused by cars this year by far again. Eliminate thesedeaths and then move on to problem number two. I believe guns are the number 7 killer in the US actually...and that includes legal and illegal firearms.
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
It's interesting though, because with each new car model, we see more safety features. We also see more traffic rules and regulations put in place; the guidelines on who can obtain a driver's license and when has changed. As our understanding of the risks has evolved, so have the safety measures and restrictions.
...and rules and regulations for legally owning a firearm have changed too! They're more strict than ownig a car...a much more dangerous "weapon" ( that the numbers already support.)
I really don't see how the rules are more strict than for driving. In any case, the rules and regulations need to be more strict than they are now.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You can't look at these issues in such black and white terms
Sure I can. If the point for more strict gun control laws is to end death...start at the top. Cars not only kill more people overall compaered to guns not only by pure numbers but by percentage of population...ban the cars. I mean target the biggest problem first. Simple. Most people will be killed by cars this year....by far. Biggest percentage of premature deaths this year will be caused by cars this year by far again. Eliminate thesedeaths and then move on to problem number two. I believe guns are the number 7 killer in the US actually...and that includes legal and illegal firearms.
More regulations isn't reduce death in all areas. It's to reduce deaths caused by gunshot wounds.
... Why are you always laughing in this conversation? I'm not trying to say anything... I'm just having trouble reading your tone with all the laughing.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
More regulations isn't reduce death in all areas. It's to reduce deaths caused by gunshot wounds.
... Why are you always laughing in this conversation? I'm not trying to say anything... I'm just having trouble reading your tone with all the laughing.
I laugh because antigun people in this country and then pretty much the whole outside world blames the violence that happens here on guns. It's the ILLEGAL guns that are an issue....not the LEGAL ones. If someone honestly believes that if all LEGAL gun sales were cut off the violence would stop needs to have their head checked.
More regulations isn't reduce death in all areas. It's to reduce deaths caused by gunshot wounds.
... Why are you always laughing in this conversation? I'm not trying to say anything... I'm just having trouble reading your tone with all the laughing.
I laugh because antigun people in this country and then pretty much the whole outside world blames the violence that happens here on guns. It's the ILLEGAL guns that are an issue....not the LEGAL ones. If someone honestly believes that if all LEGAL gun sales were cut off the violence would stop needs to have their head checked.
As mentioned many times already, most illegal guns start off as legal guns. And most a cidental shootings are from legal guns. And apparently 3/4 of mass shootings are committed with legal guns.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
As mentioned many times already, most illegal guns start off as legal guns. And most a cidental shootings are from legal guns. And apparently 3/4 of mass shootings are committed with legal guns.
Of course all illegal guns start off as legal guns not most. :? :fp: There aren't illegal gun factories worldwide. By taking LEGAL firearms from US citiznes hands solves nothing. Last time I checked there's gun violence in every country. And that 3/4 stat is highly maipulated. HIGHLY MANIPULATED! How does anyone explain the "mass" shootings in countries where there are no firearms? Probably blame it on the US I'm sure?! :fp:
As mentioned many times already, most illegal guns start off as legal guns. And most a cidental shootings are from legal guns. And apparently 3/4 of mass shootings are committed with legal guns.
Of course all illegal guns start off as legal guns not most. :? :fp: There aren't illegal gun factories worldwide. By taking LEGAL firearms from US citiznes hands solves nothing. Last time I checked there's gun violence in every country. And that 3/4 stat is highly maipulated. HIGHLY MANIPULATED! How does anyone explain the "mass" shootings in countries where there are no firearms? Probably blame it on the US I'm sure?! :fp:
the middle east aside, what mass shootings in other countries? the one and only one in Australia (before laws were changed), the one in Scotland and the recent one in Norway? That's not many.
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thats the problem my friend..good question
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
so Miss Ruby, an 89 year old woman, is now Rambo... :fp:
come on she is a little old lady... someone's Great Grandma who refused to allow herself to be a victim.
Just regular people using their right to life and their right to protect it.
Nothing Rambo about that.
I've been called sensational and emotional, this it is a topic that requires feeling...
no cold hearts here, feel it! I do each time someone is victimized
like the imaginary scenario I created to tug the heart ...
a girlfriend's life being abused and taken. Feel it!
No clinical mumbo jumbo just step in the shoes of Miss Ruby,
Should she not be allowed to attempt to save her own life?
You would have no gun for her or Miss Ruby?
Gun opponents can not answer that real life question or won't.
What blood will be on their hands when they take away someone's else's
right to protect themselves? Would that be Miss Ruby's life?
And what right do they have to do that
I've read the terribly insensitive posts joking about those who live in violence,
like its not happening, well it is.
Violence happens in people neighborhoods, to their loved ones, to them.
Maybe not the gun opponents neighborhoods but others live it.
Those who don't want to own guns ...
is this because they don't need them? then imposing that upon other's rights?
They just need to lock their doors at night. :? ...
guess no home invasions where they live. Good for them,
others are living in real life danger.
Well crime has moved to my area, crime branching out to where the goods are,
Criminals who could care less about my life or their own, the devaluation of life
of the next generation.
I am glad my neighbor was armed and protected himself, his wife and his home.
Gun opponents would have had him beaten and left for dead or worse...
dead dead.
And in doing so give the bad guys that much more power yep! that's just what they need
to continue their lives of feeding on the good law abiding folk.
Absolutely ridiculous! It is mind boggling!
...and rules and regulations for legally owning a firearm have changed too! They're more strict than ownig a car...a much more dangerous "weapon" ( that the numbers already support.)
And so they should probably continue to evolve.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
thats the problem my friend..good question
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
so Miss Ruby, an 89 year old woman, is now Rambo... :fp:
come on she is a little old lady... someone's Great Grandma who refused to allow herself to be a victim.
Just regular people using their right to life and their right to protect it.
Nothing Rambo about that.
I've been called sensational and emotional, this it is a topic that requires feeling...
no cold hearts here, feel it! I do each time someone is victimized
like the imaginary scenario I created to tug the heart ...
a girlfriend's life being abused and taken. Feel it!
No clinical mumbo jumbo just step in the shoes of Miss Ruby,
Should she not be allowed to attempt to save her own life?
You would have no gun for her or Miss Ruby?
Gun opponents can not answer that real life question or won't.
What blood will be on their hands when they take away someone's else's
right to protect themselves? Would that be Miss Ruby's life?
And what right do they have to do that
I've read the terribly insensitive posts joking about those who live in violence,
like its not happening, well it is.
Violence happens in people neighborhoods, to their loved ones, to them.
Maybe not the gun opponents neighborhoods but others live it.
Those who don't want to own guns ...
is this because they don't need them? then imposing that upon other's rights?
They just need to lock their doors at night. :? ...
guess no home invasions where they live. Good for them,
others are living in real life danger.
Well crime has moved to my area, crime branching out to where the goods are,
Criminals who could care less about my life or their own, the devaluation of life
of the next generation.
I am glad my neighbor was armed and protected himself, his wife and his home.
Gun opponents would have had him beaten and left for dead or worse...
dead dead.
And in doing so give the bad guys that much more power yep! that's just what they need
to continue their lives of feeding on the good law abiding folk.
Absolutely ridiculous! It is mind boggling!
i respect older people..they have experience and talk for what they lived
here in grece,old people says:
better 100 guilty out of prison,than 1 innocent inside..
same as with criminal
better 100 bad guys gate away with their crimes,than one good guy pays..
and i mean...
89 years old..how is her health?her vision??
her memory?
can u quarantee that next week,she will remember where she hide her gun??
and what if her 10 years old grandchild find it...??
they dont let her drive,cos she is old....and let her buy guns like gums....
unreal...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
thats the problem my friend..good question
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
so Miss Ruby, an 89 year old woman, is now Rambo... :fp:
come on she is a little old lady... someone's Great Grandma who refused to allow herself to be a victim.
Just regular people using their right to life and their right to protect it.
Nothing Rambo about that.
I've been called sensational and emotional, this it is a topic that requires feeling...
no cold hearts here, feel it! I do each time someone is victimized
like the imaginary scenario I created to tug the heart ...
a girlfriend's life being abused and taken. Feel it!
No clinical mumbo jumbo just step in the shoes of Miss Ruby,
Should she not be allowed to attempt to save her own life?
You would have no gun for her or Miss Ruby?
Gun opponents can not answer that real life question or won't.
What blood will be on their hands when they take away someone's else's
right to protect themselves? Would that be Miss Ruby's life?
And what right do they have to do that
I've read the terribly insensitive posts joking about those who live in violence,
like its not happening, well it is.
Violence happens in people neighborhoods, to their loved ones, to them.
Maybe not the gun opponents neighborhoods but others live it.
Those who don't want to own guns ...
is this because they don't need them? then imposing that upon other's rights?
They just need to lock their doors at night. :? ...
guess no home invasions where they live. Good for them,
others are living in real life danger.
Well crime has moved to my area, crime branching out to where the goods are,
Criminals who could care less about my life or their own, the devaluation of life
of the next generation.
I am glad my neighbor was armed and protected himself, his wife and his home.
Gun opponents would have had him beaten and left for dead or worse...
dead dead.
And in doing so give the bad guys that much more power yep! that's just what they need
to continue their lives of feeding on the good law abiding folk.
Absolutely ridiculous! It is mind boggling!
i respect older people..they have experience and talk for what they lived
here in grece,old people says:
better 100 guilty out of prison,than 1 innocent inside..
same as with criminal
better 100 bad guys gate away with their crimes,than one good guy pays..
and i mean...
89 years old..how is her health?her vision??
her memory?
can u quarantee that next week,she will remember where she hide her gun??
and what if her 10 years old grandchild find it...??
they dont let her drive,cos she is old....and let her buy guns like gums....
unreal...
So this is now all about her and her competency ? Poor Miss Ruby can't get a break.
Obviously she is competent enough to get two bad guys off the street and save her own life
in the process.
So would you take away the gun that saved her life?
Would you have Miss Ruby's blood on your hands?
Could you tell that to her loved ones?
Say it to her face?
This is real... real life, not some idyllic wanna be place where no one lives
in danger, where all we must do is lock a door...
they busted down Miss Ruby's door....
she stopped two bad guys but can the gun opponents say kudos Miss Ruby!
you done good, they are on their way to prison. Two less thugs to
victimize more people.
No ...
all they can do is give senseless what ifs'...
The what if she had no gun ...
that is the really horrible scenario...
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Oh, and yeah, I think everyone should need to get a psych evaluation to buy firearms, at their own expense.... it would start a new industry in the mental health care field too - good for the economy. Win-win!
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I'll guess I'll end it with if someone's biggest concern is being injured or killed by a legally obtained weapon in this country...you need to reevaluate. It's virtually not going to happen. Stay off the roads. Much greater chance by "ions" of being hurt there.
How about a pysch evaluation to drive a car? How about to buy a set of steak knives? How about to buy a meat clever? How about to buy fertilizer that can be easily made into a bomb? How about for anything purchased, everyone is given a pysch evaluation?
People standing on the sidewalk and get mowed down by an errand driver didn't choose to get in a car either.
Not to derail this very logical discussion, but there was just a report that Jared Loughner was assessed as competent to enter a plea in his case and plans to plead guilty
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/us/gu ... mpage.html
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I agree Zoso. But people who speak of 'responsible' gun owners speak of training. Just trying to understand what is meant by that and the impact of it on their 'responsible' gun ownership.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm just looking to make the country safer for everyone. After all, if the legally obtained weapons were such an issue in this country why start at the low end? Start from the biggest killer and work down. Ban the cars!!!
What questions or points? :?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
there is no magic solution...
the goal here to limit down the violence..
do u think that having more guns will solve the problem?no way..
probably more more not responsible people will own guns..
i know one thng for sure..
someone want to do bad...wanna hurt someone ..he will do it..
no system cant stop him..cameras?police?..
how can u stop someone right now at his garage that he load his gun and he will go out
to robe,kill,rape,the first victim he will find on his way??
you cant..
if criminals lets us know before they act,as a society we will be ready
police,citizen..all..
the only way i see is to try to create better life,better future ,so people having hope.
will take time..i know..but sure,all become Rambo isnt a solution..
this is for hollywood..
for me heroes in life is the ones that from nothing,create something good..
is the people that raise their families,try to do good,even when they are poor.
and have dignity...
if u want to play the sherriff,join police force...
guns dont help..revenge never helps...
and another thing...
u know anyone that "protect"him self and shoot someone and kill him??
the one i know,taking alot of pills for sleep at nights..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
As you say Dimi. Get to the root of this problem. It's not 'devaluation of life' or plain ol' violence - these have a reason to be - it goes deeper than that. Look at the source and try to fix it.
...and rules and regulations for legally owning a firearm have changed too!
Sure I can. If the point for more strict gun control laws is to end death...start at the top. Cars not only kill more people overall compaered to guns not only by pure numbers but by percentage of population...ban the cars. I mean target the biggest problem first. Simple. Most people will be killed by cars this year....by far. Biggest percentage of premature deaths this year will be caused by cars this year by far again. Eliminate thesedeaths and then move on to problem number two.
... Why are you always laughing in this conversation? I'm not trying to say anything... I'm just having trouble reading your tone with all the laughing.
Really? Why and how? :corn:
I laugh because antigun people in this country and then pretty much the whole outside world blames the violence that happens here on guns. It's the ILLEGAL guns that are an issue....not the LEGAL ones. If someone honestly believes that if all LEGAL gun sales were cut off the violence would stop needs to have their head checked.
Of course all illegal guns start off as legal guns not most. :? :fp: There aren't illegal gun factories worldwide.
the middle east aside, what mass shootings in other countries? the one and only one in Australia (before laws were changed), the one in Scotland and the recent one in Norway? That's not many.
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come on she is a little old lady...
someone's Great Grandma who refused to allow herself to be a victim.
Just regular people using their right to life and their right to protect it.
Nothing Rambo about that.
I've been called sensational and emotional, this it is a topic that requires feeling...
no cold hearts here, feel it! I do each time someone is victimized
like the imaginary scenario I created to tug the heart ...
a girlfriend's life being abused and taken. Feel it!
No clinical mumbo jumbo just step in the shoes of Miss Ruby,
Should she not be allowed to attempt to save her own life?
You would have no gun for her or Miss Ruby?
Gun opponents can not answer that real life question or won't.
What blood will be on their hands when they take away someone's else's
right to protect themselves? Would that be Miss Ruby's life?
And what right do they have to do that
I've read the terribly insensitive posts joking about those who live in violence,
like its not happening, well it is.
Violence happens in people neighborhoods, to their loved ones, to them.
Maybe not the gun opponents neighborhoods but others live it.
Those who don't want to own guns ...
is this because they don't need them? then imposing that upon other's rights?
They just need to lock their doors at night. :? ...
guess no home invasions where they live. Good for them,
others are living in real life danger.
Well crime has moved to my area, crime branching out to where the goods are,
Criminals who could care less about my life or their own, the devaluation of life
of the next generation.
I am glad my neighbor was armed and protected himself, his wife and his home.
Gun opponents would have had him beaten and left for dead or worse...
dead dead.
And in doing so give the bad guys that much more power yep! that's just what they need
to continue their lives of feeding on the good law abiding folk.
Absolutely ridiculous! It is mind boggling!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
here in grece,old people says:
better 100 guilty out of prison,than 1 innocent inside..
same as with criminal
better 100 bad guys gate away with their crimes,than one good guy pays..
and i mean...
89 years old..how is her health?her vision??
her memory?
can u quarantee that next week,she will remember where she hide her gun??
and what if her 10 years old grandchild find it...??
they dont let her drive,cos she is old....and let her buy guns like gums....
unreal...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Obviously she is competent enough to get two bad guys off the street and save her own life
in the process.
So would you take away the gun that saved her life?
Would you have Miss Ruby's blood on your hands?
Could you tell that to her loved ones?
Say it to her face?
This is real... real life, not some idyllic wanna be place where no one lives
in danger, where all we must do is lock a door...
they busted down Miss Ruby's door....
she stopped two bad guys but can the gun opponents say kudos Miss Ruby!
you done good, they are on their way to prison. Two less thugs to
victimize more people.
No ...
all they can do is give senseless what ifs'...
The what if she had no gun ...
that is the really horrible scenario...