I just saw that on average 12 people...TWELVE PEOPLE die in this country everyday by drowning. I found my next fight! Ban swimming!! 5000 people annully can be spared their lives if we just shut down the swimmers! I mean we don't need to swim. We don;t swim to work. We don't swim to get to the store
I wouldn't be so gleeful about such a poor comparison. There's no inheirant risk of being hurt or killed by a gunshot if you choose to be in a cafe, or a movie theater, or a temple or anywhere else. There is an inheirant risk if you choose to go swimming. People also choose to climb mountains or go skiing depsite the inheirant risks. They don't need to do these things, but they also don't endanger other peoples' lives by doing so. Guns endanger everyone.
Guns don't endanger anyone. It;s the person behind the gun that does. If I'm cookoo enough I don't need a gun to take people out in a public setting. Hell...all it takes is a gallon jug of gas and a match in a movie theater and I can inflict the same damage. Guns are a sport and a right in the US. Hell...last time I checked skeet shooting is even a sport in the Olympics?
I just saw that on average 12 people...TWELVE PEOPLE die in this country everyday by drowning. I found my next fight! Ban swimming!! 5000 people annully can be spared their lives if we just shut down the swimmers! I mean we don't need to swim. We don;t swim to work. We don't swim to get to the store
really?.. I understand you are lol about this but guns are man made machines that kill.. end of story.
Machetes? Who uses machetes these days? But they are sold worldwide. Didn't someone out of the US just kill 9 people with a machete?
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Whatever. I'm sure you know that other things that are dangerous don't make guns any less dangerous, and that dealing with one dangerous thing isn't minimized because something else dangerous isn't dealt with. Just like you know that just because Americans like lots of different things doesn't mean they don't have a particular affinity for guns. Devil's advocate is what you are.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I just saw that on average 12 people...TWELVE PEOPLE die in this country everyday by drowning. I found my next fight! Ban swimming!! 5000 people annully can be spared their lives if we just shut down the swimmers! I mean we don't need to swim. We don;t swim to work. We don't swim to get to the store
I wouldn't be so gleeful about such a poor comparison. There's no inheirant risk of being hurt or killed by a gunshot if you choose to be in a cafe, or a movie theater, or a temple or anywhere else. There is an inheirant risk if you choose to go swimming. People also choose to climb mountains or go skiing depsite the inheirant risks. They don't need to do these things, but they also don't endanger other peoples' lives by doing so. Guns endanger everyone.
Guns don't endanger anyone. It;s the person behind the gun that does. If I'm cookoo enough I don't need a gun to take people out in a public setting. Hell...all it takes is a gallon jug of gas and a match in a movie theater and I can inflict the same damage. Guns are a sport and a right in the US. Hell...last time I checked skeet shooting is even a sport in the Olympics?
Again, very few here are arguing for a complete ban on guns so that no one can skeet shoot or keep a gun on a farm in case coyotes get into the chicken coup. Most of us are simply making a point for stronger regulations and limitations.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
If you want to say that Americans are in love crafts, you would probably have a good argument. But there are piles of craft fairs in other places too, and not a ton of gun shows or guns in every mega store. America is the only place where there are oodles of gun shows, people rallying for guns, a rifle association that has political power... is there a crafts association that has clout in Washington that I don't know about? Rallies in support of crafts? Craft-making ranges in Vegas? I don't think so. Come on. You know that Americans love their guns. They love lots of other things too, obviously, but most of the other things don't have an intimate connection to violent death.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Gun or not...a person intent on killing someone will kill them. ALso, it's overwhelmingly the illegal and smuggled weapons that do it. Not the guy who wants to feel protected....hunts....or likes to shoot targets on the weekend.
To the people who think guns need to be banned for the protection of themselves I suggest you push for the ban of stuff that actually has a higher risk of doing that...like getting in your car everyday and going to work or getting on a plane.
I just saw that on average 12 people...TWELVE PEOPLE die in this country everyday by drowning. I found my next fight! Ban swimming!! 5000 people annully can be spared their lives if we just shut down the swimmers! I mean we don't need to swim. We don;t swim to work. We don't swim to get to the store
really?.. I understand you are lol about this but guns are man made machines that kill.. end of story.
Machetes? Who uses machetes these days? But they are sold worldwide. Didn't someone out of the US just kill 9 people with a machete?
I'd be cool with tighter controls on machetes
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
If you want to say that Americans are in love crafts, you would probably have a good argument. But there are piles of craft fairs in other places too, and not a ton of gun shows or guns in every mega store. America is the only place where there are oodles of gun shows, people rallying for guns, a rifle association that has political power... is there a crafts association that has clout in Washington that I don't know about? Rallies in support of crafts? Craft-making ranges in Vegas? I don't think so. Come on. You know that Americans love their guns. They love lots of other things too, obviously, but most of the other things don't have an intimate connection to violent death.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Gun or not...a person intent on killing someone will kill them. ALso, it's overwhelmingly the illegal and smuggled weapons that do it. Not the guy who wants to feel protected....hunts....or likes to shoot targets on the weekend.
To the people who think guns need to be banned for the protection of themselves I suggest you push for the ban of stuff that actually has a higher risk of doing that...like getting in your car everyday and going to work or getting on a plane.
I'm also in support of regulations that make driving and air travel safer. Although I think those regulations do exist.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Again, very few here are arguing for a complete ban on guns so that no one can skeet shoot or keep a gun on a farm in case coyotes get into the chicken coup. Most of us are simply making a point for stronger regulations and limitations.
How much stronger do you want it? It's harder to get a gun than it is to get a car? Not trying to be a wiseass but that's the truth. Do you want a pyscho evaluation on everyone? And after that...who's the governing body to decide you can have one and I can't? There are a lot of kooks out there that don't presnt as kooks and vice versa. So now people think that putting some new abrituary level of obtaining a gun will protect them from being hurt or killed. It really is laughable? Does anyone really think that if LEGALLY OBTAINED WEAPONS sudeenly were even more regualted or cut off in the US the murder rate would go down? Absolutley a mad thought process.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Gun or not...a person intent on killing someone will kill them. ALso, it's overwhelmingly the illegal and smuggled weapons that do it. Not the guy who wants to feel protected....hunts....or likes to shoot targets on the weekend.
To the people who think guns need to be banned for the protection of themselves I suggest you push for the ban of stuff that actually has a higher risk of doing that...like getting in your car everyday and going to work or getting on a plane.
but the gun helps.... you can't just go up to someone and yell BANG and have them die.
guns are lethal weapons that were invented only to kill things.
seriously, this whole "guns don't kill people" line of thinking is so infantile. the pulling of the trigger releasing the potential energy that is a bullet that then penetrates skin, bone, soft tissue, causing great bodily harm is what kills people. the gun discharging a bullet is what kills people. i can't make it any more plain than that.
if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
Guess what. Don't keep your kid around a gun. You wouldn't put your hypothetical three year old on the shoulder of a highway would you?
What about ice picks. I'm pretty sure someone could take out 4 or 5 people in a mall setting before security gets there if so inclined.
I'd be cool with controls on ice picks as well. Actually I'd be cool with banning them. With all the fancy cube trays, wtf needs an ice pick? Cubes is where it's at.
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What about ice picks. I'm pretty sure someone could take out 4 or 5 people in a mall setting before security gets there if so inclined.
I'd be cool with controls on ice picks as well. Actually I'd be cool with banning them. With all the fancy cube trays, wtf needs an ice pick? Cubes is where it's at.
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
Guess what. Don't keep your kid around a gun. You wouldn't put your hypothetical three year old on the shoulder of a highway would you?
Well if the child never leaves the house, this would probably work. But since friends and neighbors could quite feasibly own a gun it might be hard to guarantee the child is never around a weapon. Although it is recommended that parents ask other parents if there are weapons in the home.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
No, I don't know. Do you have stats on that? Preferably from a peer reviewed journal I agree that if someone purchases a fridge or ice cooler for the purpose of their child playing in it rather than as a storage device for food, they should be banned.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
What about ice picks. I'm pretty sure someone could take out 4 or 5 people in a mall setting before security gets there if so inclined.
Again, just because other things can be dangerous doesn't mean other dangerous things can't be regulated. I dunno... people tend to have a different reactions to guns than they do to ice picks. I'm sure in many cases, the gun comes first, and then the fantasies of using them and the dirty harry syndrome comes second. And yes, lots of gun crimes are committed with illegal guns (although as someone else said earlier, 3/4 of mass shootings are committed with legal ones, and with most of the accidental gun deaths too). But most of those illegal weapons start off as legal weapons.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
No, I don't know. Do you have stats on that? Preferably from a peer reviewed journal I agree that if someone purchases a fridge or ice cooler for the purpose of their child playing in it rather than as a storage device for food, they should be banned.
Fridges don't seal from the inside anymore. That's so old school!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Well if the child never leaves the house, this would probably work. But since friends and neighbors could quite feasibly own a gun it might be hard to guarantee the child is never around a weapon. Although it is recommended that parents ask other parents if there are weapons in the home.
I had a friend in elementary school lose an eye because of the neighbor cutting his grass and a rock being thrown. I remember the doctor saying another milimeter or so and he would have died. Let's ban the lawn mowers too!
Gets me thinking how many people are killed each year by a lawn mower? :think: Anyways...lets regulate and/or ban those fucker too!
Well if the child never leaves the house, this would probably work. But since friends and neighbors could quite feasibly own a gun it might be hard to guarantee the child is never around a weapon. Although it is recommended that parents ask other parents if there are weapons in the home.
I had a friend in elementary school lose an eye because of the neighbor cutting his grass and a rock being thrown. I remember the doctor saying another milimeter or so and he would have died. Let's ban the lawn mowers too!
Gets me thinking how many people are killed each year by a lawn mower? :think: Anyways...lets regulate and/or ban those fucker too!
Ah yeah, when I was little my mom never let me hang around the lawn mower when it was being used. Particularly since it was purchased for the purpose of killing or maiming and for no other reason
Cool. Stats on that would also be appreciated.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
No, I don't know. Do you have stats on that? Preferably from a peer reviewed journal I agree that if someone purchases a fridge or ice cooler for the purpose of their child playing in it rather than as a storage device for food, they should be banned.
So someone that purchases a weapon for their protection...based on constituional right...or for whatever other reason they se fit to LEGALLY own the weapon...that should be banned as well? Am I reading this right?
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
No, I don't know. Do you have stats on that? Preferably from a peer reviewed journal I agree that if someone purchases a fridge or ice cooler for the purpose of their child playing in it rather than as a storage device for food, they should be banned.
So someone that purchases a weapon for their protection...based on constituional right...or for whatever other reason they se fit to LEGALLY own the weapon...that should be banned as well? Am I reading this right?
No. It should be controlled more tightly. Only fridges and ice chests should be banned. :roll:
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Ah yeah, when I was little my mom never let me hang around the lawn mower when it was being used. Particularly since it was purchased for the purpose of killing or maiming and for no other reason
Cool. Stats on that would also be appreciated.
So you believe that legally obtained weapons in the US are obtained for the purpose of maiming and killing. I prefer to look at it as for sport and protection...if one was so inclined.
Ah yeah, when I was little my mom never let me hang around the lawn mower when it was being used. Particularly since it was purchased for the purpose of killing or maiming and for no other reason
Cool. Stats on that would also be appreciated.
So you believe that legally obtained weapons in the US are obtained for the purpose of maiming and killing. I prefer to look at it as for sport and protection...if one was so inclined.
Yes...protection by way of maiming or killing. No one needs an assault rifle or 30 for *sport*
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Hmmm...my parents still have an ice chest that locks when you shut it.
I said fridge, but anyway, yeah, there are super old ice chests around, and last I heard children were dying in droves from getting trapped in 25 year old ice chests.
We're obviously never going to live in a danger free, accident free world. But it would be good if there were a lot less guns in the world for bullets to come out of. The less weapons for killers to get their hands on the better.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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No. It should be controlled more tightly. Only fridges and ice chests should be banned. :roll:
People can roll their eyes all they want. I just take things out to their logical conclusion. If one thing that is POTENTIALLY dangerous should become even more regualted and/or banned...shouldn't everything? I actually know for a fact with a well placed shot you can kill someone with a slingshot. Let's ban those too.
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No. It should be controlled more tightly. Only fridges and ice chests should be banned. :roll:
People can roll their eyes all they want. I just take things out to their logical conclusion. If one thing that is POTENTIALLY dangerous should become even more regualted and/or banned...shouldn't everything? I actually know for a fact with a well placed shot you can kill someone with a slingshot. Let's ban those too.
I'm just not sure how you got that out of my statement. I didn't even reference guns in that statement. The logic eludes me. As does the last page and a half or so of this thread.
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Guns don't endanger anyone. It;s the person behind the gun that does. If I'm cookoo enough I don't need a gun to take people out in a public setting. Hell...all it takes is a gallon jug of gas and a match in a movie theater and I can inflict the same damage. Guns are a sport and a right in the US. Hell...last time I checked skeet shooting is even a sport in the Olympics?
Whatever. I'm sure you know that other things that are dangerous don't make guns any less dangerous, and that dealing with one dangerous thing isn't minimized because something else dangerous isn't dealt with. Just like you know that just because Americans like lots of different things doesn't mean they don't have a particular affinity for guns. Devil's advocate is what you are.
Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Gun or not...a person intent on killing someone will kill them. ALso, it's overwhelmingly the illegal and smuggled weapons that do it. Not the guy who wants to feel protected....hunts....or likes to shoot targets on the weekend.
To the people who think guns need to be banned for the protection of themselves I suggest you push for the ban of stuff that actually has a higher risk of doing that...like getting in your car everyday and going to work or getting on a plane.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
How much stronger do you want it? It's harder to get a gun than it is to get a car? Not trying to be a wiseass but that's the truth.
guns are lethal weapons that were invented only to kill things.
seriously, this whole "guns don't kill people" line of thinking is so infantile. the pulling of the trigger releasing the potential energy that is a bullet that then penetrates skin, bone, soft tissue, causing great bodily harm is what kills people. the gun discharging a bullet is what kills people. i can't make it any more plain than that.
if i dropped a gun on the ground and it discharges and the bullet hits my hypothetical 3 year old kid and kills them, the gun killed her. not any person...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What about ice picks. I'm pretty sure someone could take out 4 or 5 people in a mall setting before security gets there if so inclined.
Guess what. Don't keep your kid around a gun. You wouldn't put your hypothetical three year old on the shoulder of a highway would you?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
More people will die tomorrow as a result of a car or plane crash. Stay off the roads and don't fly people. It's dangerous out there. Ban them all!
Don;t even get me started on fridges and ice coolers? Do know how many kids play in those and get trapped and die annually? Ban the fridges and ice coolers! They're death traps! Ice kills!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I had a friend in elementary school lose an eye because of the neighbor cutting his grass and a rock being thrown. I remember the doctor saying another milimeter or so and he would have died. Let's ban the lawn mowers too!
Gets me thinking how many people are killed each year by a lawn mower? :think: Anyways...lets regulate and/or ban those fucker too!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Hmmm...my parents still have an ice chest that locks when you shut it.
Cool. Stats on that would also be appreciated.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
So someone that purchases a weapon for their protection...based on constituional right...or for whatever other reason they se fit to LEGALLY own the weapon...that should be banned as well? Am I reading this right?
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
So you believe that legally obtained weapons in the US are obtained for the purpose of maiming and killing. I prefer to look at it as for sport and protection...if one was so inclined.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
We're obviously never going to live in a danger free, accident free world. But it would be good if there were a lot less guns in the world for bullets to come out of. The less weapons for killers to get their hands on the better.
People can roll their eyes all they want. I just take things out to their logical conclusion. If one thing that is POTENTIALLY dangerous should become even more regualted and/or banned...shouldn't everything? I actually know for a fact with a well placed shot you can kill someone with a slingshot. Let's ban those too.
You obviously have never been to a firing range.
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