Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

i just want Rambo to be profecionals,the ones save us and not every citizen get guns in his life
when u have a gun,u get in the thought of use it,,thats a fact..
i loose a relative from someone took his gun to "save" someone but he shoot the wrong person,cos he thought was the bad guy,
i wanrt proffecional like police to carry guns only..they trained to protect us,use the guns right,
all this people can buy guns just like that,cos they can doesnt make me feel safe at all..
we have different opinion in this
just have in mind,im trained to use guns..and guns u never imagine there are exist..
guns do bad only..
even u try to protect your self ,and u are lucky not to kill someone innocent by mistake,but only the "bad" guy
you will not sleep for the rest of your life....
guns create fucked up situations,no matter the reason,you think you use them..

I don't know about there in Greece D but here the cops show up after the crime...
they try to solve the crime.

I would rather be a statistic from fighting back then from not fighting at all,
I would feel the same for my loved ones.

Oh and the bad guys here in Atl have guns and machetes. :?

anyone want to do bad,has an advadange..suprise you..
ofcourse police cant be everywhere all the time..
we do a conversation,and for me the reason is cos we care,no matter what side of the guns talking everyone stands...
the worst would be if we didnt care at all..and say..im alive,none of my people get hurt,so i dont care.

unsung

Police do not prevent crimes; police respond to crimes.

josevolution

pandora wrote:

redrock wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I do feel sorry foe anyone who is suffering from a Mental illness my complaint is that someone with mental issues should not be able to just purchase all these weapons & 6 thousand rounds of ammo some how something has to change or this will just continue to happen again & again ..

As you say. Much more in depth and stringent controls must be put in place - too many are just a quick check. But what about those who purchased guns ' sane' but develop some kind of mental illness? Should doctors have to report them? Seems a bit extreme. Should a gun licence be something to renew every year (or however many) with serious checks each time in case their mental health has taken a turn, with the licence revoked and guns confiscated until the all clear given? Driving licences can be revoked..... I guess some here would find this a master attempt to take away their god given rights but this type of solution may help catch those who may otherwise slip through the net and would save innocent lives.

But what about the bombs, the knives, the machetes? And cars?
Should mental patients not be allowed to drive,
because a few have been known to run people down on purpose?

Taking away ... is not the answer...

Giving to ... is the answer.

Give families options to help, give mental health treatment to those who need it,
make it affordable and easily available.

We have gun laws ... enforce them.

i don't wan't to take anything away from anyone your answer to give professional help to all that are mentally unstable is just as impossible as taking all the weapons away from evrybody , i def would like it to be more stric testing to anyone wanting to purchase weapons like a waiting period like 4months do backround checks , anyone with criminal recoreds def should not be able to buy a weapon at all , how about testing anyone who want's to own a gun & license strict testing and when you need to get license renewed you have to go thru the same strict test ........

josevolution

unsung wrote:

Police do not prevent crimes; police respond to crimes.

Police presence does , just saying ...

dimitrispearljam

josevolution wrote:

unsung wrote:

Police do not prevent crimes; police respond to crimes.

Police presence does , just saying ...

exactly..is one of their job..
civilians need to do theirs,Rambo was only one... Stallone..
and John McClane was a police officer

ComeToTX

pandora wrote:

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21158275/aurora-victim-released-from-hospital-says-he-forgives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwYXzro1So

Empathy is a beautiful thing, it brings value back to life, hope for the future,
it is catchy, it spreads, feels good, lightens, and most of all stops hate.

Stop the hate.

if he shot me and i lived i might be able to forgive me. if he shot my young child an she died there's no way i could.

He is not competent, he is not responsible, he is not in his competent mind

if this proves to be the case

how could you blame him?

How would never coming to terms with the loss of your daughter
ever help her, her siblings, her grandparents, her mother or you ?

Would this be what your daughter would want for you and your family?
She knows she will see you again.

Do you think anybody ever comes to terms with the violent loss of their child? I don't. Whether I had empathy or not it would never help me come to terms with my innocent little girl being shot full of holes while watching a movie.

josevolution

This creep was seeing a Physician for mental problems even under MD's care this guy snapped ...

mickeyrat

I think the media needs to back the fuck off and allow the investigation to unfold. These media blitzes do little to to allow the justice system(as flawed as it can be) to operate as it should. In my opinion it biases potential jurors with all the speculative and sometimes inaccurate reporting of "facts".

norm

mickeyrat wrote:

josevolution wrote:

This creep was seeing a Physician for mental problems even under MD's care this guy snapped ...

I think the media needs to back the fuck off and allow the investigation to unfold. These media blitzes do little to to allow the justice system(as flawed as it can be) to operate as it should. In my opinion it biases potential jurors with all the speculative and sometimes inaccurate reporting of "facts".

the media, pearl jam fans etc...

mickeyrat

norm wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

[I think the media needs to back the fuck off and allow the investigation to unfold. These media blitzes do little to to allow the justice system(as flawed as it can be) to operate as it should. In my opinion it biases potential jurors with all the speculative and sometimes inaccurate reporting of "facts".

the media, pearl jam fans etc...

yeah, I think some fans need to observe more. Spout opinion as end all be all fact less.

I mean you are free to have your opinion AND keep it to yourself!!! Just sayin.

norm

mickeyrat wrote:

I mean you are free to have your opinion AND keep it to yourself!!! Just sayin.

that's all i ask :P

dimitrispearljam

norm wrote:

mickeyrat wrote:

I mean you are free to have your opinion AND keep it to yourself!!! Just sayin.

that's all i ask :P

comebackgirl

mickeyrat wrote:

I think the media needs to back the fuck off and allow the investigation to unfold. These media blitzes do little to to allow the justice system(as flawed as it can be) to operate as it should. In my opinion it biases potential jurors with all the speculative and sometimes inaccurate reporting of "facts".

I completely agree. We're getting trickles of information as we always do in these cases and people are asserting opinions as facts. It impacts the investigation and the prosecution of the case and adds to stigma.

PJ_Soul

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

Perhaps when Jesus comes?

because there is way to much evil in the world for your plan to work D.

i dont have a plan..but this should be all of us plan.....

but how can it be,when people has shareholds at guns industries are leaders of goverments..?

guns mean death..and..

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

Pandora,unfortunately,i work in a war machine...so i know for SURE....

guns are bad....

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

:shock: Where do you live Pandora? Somalia?

ComeToTX

Seriously! If I ever live in a city where I feel like I need a gun to be safe then I'm fucking moving ASAP!

pandora

josevolution wrote:

This creep was seeing a Physician for mental problems even under MD's care this guy snapped ...

Snapping? It is a delusion that one lives in, a different reality.
He is mentally ill, it is not a matter of snapping.

pandora

PJ_Soul wrote:

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i dont have a plan..but this should be all of us plan.....

but how can it be,when people has shareholds at guns industries are leaders of goverments..?

guns mean death..and..

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

Pandora,unfortunately,i work in a war machine...so i know for SURE....

guns are bad....

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

:shock: Where do you live Pandora? Somalia?

Rude that is ... yes?

comebackgirl

pandora wrote:

blueandwhite wrote:

Is that true? Considering you have more gun-related deaths per capita than any other developed nation on earth can you really say that guns are saving lives? It seems to me that you're ignoring statistics to suit an agenda. Whether you accept it or not, the US has the highest gun-related homicide rate in the developed world. Tell me, if the cowards are really running scared why is your homicide rate so high?

I'm hear anecdotal evidence stating that guns protect, but it seems to me that these are isolated cases rather than the norm. Where are all of these would-be heroes? Where were they Virginia tech happened, or when Senator Giffords was shot? You keep saying America is special; that America is different and that America can't be compared with the rest of the world yet all I see is a nation that has been gripped by gun violence for years. Your nation's ability to downplay gun violence is special, but it's not enviable.

Yes numerous stories emerging in the news daily of criminals stopped in their tracks.
That is good wouldn't you say? I guess you would rather play the victim yes?
Well many will not anymore.

Protecting oneself is logical, it is admired, it is needed, it is wanted and it is our right.

Our homicide rate is so high because people don't value life...
the bad guys that is.
We got plenty of those, more being born into a life of no hope,
more arriving in our country daily, straining our social services,
bringing guns of their own, crime of their own.

Actually there was a hero at Giffords shooting I believe.
I will have to research again though.

I certainly don't think Americans are downplaying violence just the opposite
they are arming themselves because of violence.. what is so hard to understand about that?

Didn't 3 people subdue Loughner after the Giffords shooting without the use of a gun? It seems as though it is possible to protect oneself and fight back without the use of a firearm. Indeed people do it every day. Not owning a gun does not equate to resigning oneself to victimhood.

Saying "guns protect" vs. "guns kill" is just semantics. Ultimately the end result is the same - the gun is either being used to kill or injure or to threaten to kill or injure, unless you're using it to deflect bullets, in which case Wonder Woman's bracelets are a much cuter look.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

Seriously! If I ever live in a city where I feel like I need a gun to be safe then I'm fucking moving ASAP!

Like I mentioned I'm glad others don't feel a need to have a gun in their home.
And yes this would be a direct relation to the level of crime in their city.

Atlanta has been very good to us and we will fight to make it better.
Not run away.

pandora

comebackgirl wrote:

Didn't 3 people subdue Loughner after the Giffords shooting without the use of a gun? It seems as though it is possible to protect oneself and fight back without the use of a firearm. Indeed people do it every day. Not owning a gun does not equate to resigning oneself to victimhood.

Saying "guns protect" vs. "guns kill" is just semantics. Ultimately the end result is the same - the gun is either being used to kill or injure or to threaten to kill or injure, unless you're using it to deflect bullets, in which case Wonder Woman's bracelets are a much cuter look.

I love her don't you?

Guns protect they are saving lives as we speak.

just saw this on TV...

89-Year Old Woman Saved By Owning A Gun...

Malboro County, SC (WPDE/CNN) - Two men reportedly broke into a great-grandmother's South Carolina home, and the elderly woman made sure the thieves didn't steal a thing.

"I sleep with my pistol," said 89-year-old Ruby Hodge.

That's what she says saved her from would-be burglars Monday morning.

"About 8 o'clock I hadn't got up out of bed and I heard somebody knocking on my door which I did not answer the knock then," she said.

Before she could even get out of bed, two men broke in Ruby's back door and made their way inside.

"Then I heard a loud noise and I said it was somebody broken in my door," she said.

At this point, the great-grandmother says she knew what she had to do.

"And I got my pistol and I met them right outside of my bedroom. Right inside of my bedroom door, two black men passed and they were two medium black men and they were dressed in black and when they saw me standing in there with my pistol, they left and run," said Ruby.

She pressed her emergency alert button that she wears around her neck. It alerted 911 dispatchers, who sent deputies to her house within five minutes. Ruby's daughter and niece got there a few minutes later.

"She has always said that she had a gun and if it came she would shoot," said her daughter, Helen Caison.

"My aunt will be 90-yearsold in October and she held her own. And when the people were breaking in and they saw her, she had hit the lifeline button and also had her pistol turned on them they turned around and high-tailed it out of here. I'm so proud of her," said Rebecca McArthur.

Ruby says she's worked hard all her life and should be able to live in peace in her home.

Just in case something threatens that, she's got her piece nearby.

Police say they've tracked down the two men suspected of breaking into Hodge's home.

Both face burglary and damage to property charges.

WPDE/CNN

She's AWESOME!