You know, I've been meaning to even question the elderly with weapons. Maybe Ms.Ruby was fine, but perhaps all weapons should be registered and once a person reaches a certain age, they must re-register after some health evaluations. A long time ago my Grandmothers handgun went off when she was showing it to her neighbor. Luckily no one was hurt. But my father confiscated the gun form her. Not too long after that, she was diagnosed with Alzheimers. Thats a scary thought.
Totally agree with this. And it should pertain to driving as well!
I know where you are coming from the this wouldn't stop the majority of mass shootings as hardly ever have they been done by anyone other then 20-40 year old white males.
That is true. I guess my line of thinking was that these older folks might not secure their weapon (under the pillow) and grandchildren might get a hold of it. Also, I was thinking to myself recently that most guns had to have been sold legally at some point (maybe?)... and its just that thee are so many, we cant keep track of them anymore. Some guns, i'm sure, are lost in the mix when old people die and pass on their belongings to their children. These children might not be concerned with gun safety classes and education regarding their newly acquired firearms...this might just be one very small way that guns are getting into the wrong hands.
ok, first off, this writer states no research for his findings. this is an opinion piece from a guy who you call smart as he just confirms your point.
I put another article a while back in this tread that showed a different opinion than your which i never saw you actually talk about.
also, i want to put another article up there and see what you think.
He does have statistics and these children's deaths attributed to law abiding responsible gun owners? http://pediatrics.about.com/od/safety/a ... idents.htm
He has his facts there and really good common sense. He at one time wanted stricter laws
and to ban guns but did research and realized this will not stop crime.
Did you read through these... the link you posted... good lord... guns kept at the hands of children and you would take guns away from responsible gun owners?
Why?
Blame the thoughtless not the thoughtful...
and I'm sure you know kids dying in bathtub drownings dwarf gun deaths. Do you blame the bathtub or the parent when a child drowns?
I blame an irresponsible parent.... common sense.
Like I said how about focusing on gun saftey training instead of taking away peoples basic rights
to protect themselves and their children.
Wonder how many children and parents have been saved because there was a gun in the home?
But you must take them away to leave everyone a victim to the criminals...
that is not good common sense and what would give you the right to do this?
I am so surprised that gun safety training is not a priority with gun opponents
when they say they want to save the children ...
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
"I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns..."
...
This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.
You don't have to shout
Must you get all riled please watch your manners Miss ...
no need to direct snide jokes at others or insult
and yes the Second Amendment is the basis to all gun debate
but we are discussing the OP's question correct?
I am so surprised that gun safety training is not a priority with gun opponents
when they say they want to save the children ...
I can agree with this Pandora -- that would be helpful, but you know why its not a priority? Because gun advocates will not do that either. They usually refuse. They've had it so easy, because they have politicians in their back pockets, that they don't want to compromise anything. I think more safety training is great, but how can you force that, when you can legally buy assault rifles online with no background check and no registration? You have to start somewhere, and before you get to mandatory safety classes, you have to implement other regulations for it to work. That's why gun opponents rarely push that issue right now.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
the constitution says a lot of things doesn't mean in the 21st century they are relevant...
I just don't like things that are made to kill innocent people.. I don't care what others own but if it's unsafe to own a certain thing then there should be restrictions... I know my family are a lot safe because we have NO guns in the house and never will.
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I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
Oh it is very personal and should remain so.
And again why do you focus on guns instead of gun safety?
Gun safety and allowing those to safely own guns will stop crime as statistics show
in states where people can carry.
It's happening ...
gun safety classes have waiting lists as people refuse to be victims anymore.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
Oh it is very personal and should remain so.
And again why do you focus on guns instead of gun safety?
Gun safety and allowing those to safely own guns will stop crime as statistics show
in states where people can carry.
It's happening ...
gun safety classes have waiting lists as people refuse to be victims anymore.
One would think that would make everyone happy.
when I said its not personal, I was referring to the fact that you keep saying that gun opponents simply dont want people to have guns becase we dont like guns. :? This is not the case. many of us are thinking rationally on the basis of society not for personal gain.
On gun safety -- see my above post. Gun safety classes are voluntary for the most part I believe, and you cant make that a part of mandatory gun culture until you implement better registration practices.
I am so surprised that gun safety training is not a priority with gun opponents
when they say they want to save the children ...
I can agree with this Pandora -- that would be helpful, but you know why its not a priority? Because gun advocates will not do that either. They usually refuse. They've had it so easy, because they have politicians in their back pockets, that they don't want to compromise anything. I think more safety training is great, but how can you force that, when you can legally buy assault rifles online with no background check and no registration? You have to start somewhere, and before you get to mandatory safety classes, you have to implement other regulations for it to work. That's why gun opponents rarely push that issue right now.
Actually gun groups sponsor training and the gun owners are very much for education
training and safety, why wouldn't they be and why would assume otherwise?
People own guns responsibly, they teach their children to be responsible. Look at the number
of guns in America compared to any accidents. This is a no brainer.
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
"I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns..."
...
This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.
You don't have to shout
...
Some people just need the obvious clearly pointed out to them.... otherwise, they miss the point, altogether.
Wanted to make sure you got the answer clearly pointed out to you, regarding your own question.
...
P.S. ALL CAPITALS punctuated with 'exclamation points'... these little things -->!... designates 'Shouting'.
You're welcome.
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I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
Oh it is very personal and should remain so.
And again why do you focus on guns instead of gun safety?
Gun safety and allowing those to safely own guns will stop crime as statistics show
in states where people can carry.
It's happening ...
gun safety classes have waiting lists as people refuse to be victims anymore.
One would think that would make everyone happy.
when I said its not personal, I was referring to the fact that you keep saying that gun opponents simply dont want people to have guns becase we dont like guns. :? This is not the case. many of us are thinking rationally on the basis of society not for personal gain.
On gun safety -- see my above post. Gun safety classes are voluntary for the most part I believe, and you cant make that a part of mandatory gun culture until you implement better registration practices.
Rational Jonny :? ...
requiring people to be victims instead of allowing them to protect themselves.
Sorry that is totally irrational.
"I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns..."
...
This pretty much sums it up and answers your own question.
You don't have to shout
Must you get all riled please watch your manners Miss ...
no need to direct snide jokes at others or insult
and yes the Second Amendment is the basis to all gun debate
but we are discussing the OP's question correct?
if you want to talk about the constitution, what about the well regulated militia part of it?
it does not say everyone can get as many guns and as many military grade weapons and 100 round magazines, and cop stopper hollow point bullets that they want.... it does not say that anywhere in the constitution, and it is a shame that number 2 has been so bastardized...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
Exactly. :thumbup:
ok this is deja vu we already covered this there are people here in favor of gun banning...
There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with slight capitalization and punctuation differences, found in the official documents surrounding the adoption of the Bill of Rights.[5] One version was passed by the Congress,[6] while another is found in the copies distributed to the States[7] and then ratified by them.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
The original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights, approved by the House and Senate, was prepared by scribe William Lambert and resides in the National Archives.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I am so surprised that gun safety training is not a priority with gun opponents
when they say they want to save the children ...
I can agree with this Pandora -- that would be helpful, but you know why its not a priority? Because gun advocates will not do that either. They usually refuse. They've had it so easy, because they have politicians in their back pockets, that they don't want to compromise anything. I think more safety training is great, but how can you force that, when you can legally buy assault rifles online with no background check and no registration? You have to start somewhere, and before you get to mandatory safety classes, you have to implement other regulations for it to work. That's why gun opponents rarely push that issue right now.
Actually gun groups sponsor training and the gun owners are very much for education
training and safety, why wouldn't they be and why would assume otherwise?
People own guns responsibly, they teach their children to be responsible. Look at the number
of guns in America compared to any accidents. This is a no brainer.
Nevermind, i'm out -- you've again spun this one. I'm pointing out that that gun safety classes are voluntary. How is that making our gun culture any better? Gun owners are very much for training, education and safety? Well, obviously not enough. The amount of accidental shootings with legal firearms is simply too high, no matter how many guns there are in total. Not ALL owners are that concerned with education, safety, and training as you might assume.
You've said that gun opponents should be asking for more safety and training. I'm telling you that you cant ask for that under the current laws. What do YOU suggest as far as gun safety, training and education to REDUCE the amounts of accidental shootings?
"The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase"
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
...
That's it, in a nutshell.
Most of us just want to do something to prevent the mass murder type massacres from becoming so common place in America that we get used to it. We are NOT calling to eliminate all gun ownership... we are NOT trying the shred the Constitution... we are NOT 'against guns'.
We are simply sick of co-called 'law-abiding, responsible' gun owners from from flipping the psycho switch and turning their 21 gun semi-automatic arsenal on American citizens just trying to watch a movie or go to church.
We understand that there are Constitutional rights tied to this and want to find a workable solution, other than going after the gunman after he has gone berserk. We undrstand the legal implications and that it is delicate walking through Second Amendment Rights and public safety.
It is a difficult problem to solve and bumper sticker slogans or anecdotal stories don't solve anything.
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And again why do you focus on guns instead of gun safety?
Gun safety and allowing those to safely own guns will stop crime as statistics show
in states where people can carry.
It's happening ...
gun safety classes have waiting lists as people refuse to be victims anymore.
One would think that would make everyone happy.
when I said its not personal, I was referring to the fact that you keep saying that gun opponents simply dont want people to have guns becase we dont like guns. :? This is not the case. many of us are thinking rationally on the basis of society not for personal gain.
On gun safety -- see my above post. Gun safety classes are voluntary for the most part I believe, and you cant make that a part of mandatory gun culture until you implement better registration practices.
Rational Jonny :? ...
requiring people to be victims instead of allowing them to protect themselves.
Sorry that is totally irrational.
I have no clue what kind of ridiciulousness you are claiming here. Requiring people to be victims? :roll: You're now a victim if it takes you a bit longer to get an AR-15, or maybe if we check your background before you buy a 50 caliber sniper youre a victim? Or maybe you're a victim because instead of a 30 round magazine, you have to have a miniscule 12 rounds, oh the victimization is unbearable! :fp: talking about irrational :?
I haven't heard much about the Constitution here...
just a bunch who want other people to not be allowed to own a gun and protect themselves
because they don't like guns...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
No, we have been through this ... people here do want to ban guns and have admitted that.
Guess that keeps escaping you...
I have no clue what kind of ridiciulousness you are claiming here. Requiring people to be victims? :roll: You're now a victim if it takes you a bit longer to get an AR-15, or maybe if we check your background before you buy a 50 caliber sniper youre a victim? Or maybe you're a victim because instead of a 30 round magazine, you have to have a miniscule 12 rounds, oh the victimization is unbearable! :fp: talking about irrational :?
We have gun laws Jonny look them up...
your state crime has dropped drastically with the license to carry laws...
was that a law you were opposed to?
And yes my statement is directed at those wanting to take away guns and make laws stricter for the law abiding...
this does not effect the real problem the criminals not stop crime just the opposite.
I have no problem with gun collectors or hunters and see no reason to demand stricter laws
than those we have.
I have no clue what kind of ridiciulousness you are claiming here. Requiring people to be victims? :roll: You're now a victim if it takes you a bit longer to get an AR-15, or maybe if we check your background before you buy a 50 caliber sniper youre a victim? Or maybe you're a victim because instead of a 30 round magazine, you have to have a miniscule 12 rounds, oh the victimization is unbearable! :fp: talking about irrational :?
We have gun laws Jonny look them up...
your state crime has dropped drastically with the license to carry laws...
was that a law you were opposed to?
And yes my statement is directed at those wanting to take away guns and make laws stricter for the law abiding...
this does not effect the real problem the criminals not stop crime just the opposite.
I have no problem with gun collectors or hunters and see no reason to demand stricter laws
than those we have.
So you're fine with the gun laws we have in CO and most states?
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
That's it, in a nutshell.
Most of us just want to do something to prevent the mass murder type massacres from becoming so common place in America that we get used to it. We are NOT calling to eliminate all gun ownership... we are NOT trying the shred the Constitution... we are NOT 'against guns'. We are simply sick of co-called 'law-abiding, responsible' gun owners from from flipping the psycho switch and turning their 21 gun semi-automatic arsenal on American citizens just trying to watch a movie or go to church.
We understand that there are Constitutional rights tied to this and want to find a workable solution, other than going after the gunman after he has gone berserk. We undrstand the legal implications and that it is delicate walking through Second Amendment Rights and public safety.
It is a difficult problem to solve and bumper sticker slogans or anecdotal stories don't solve anything.
The Wisconsin shooter got his gun just a bit before the shooting. There have been 23 'mass shootings' in the USA this year (and we're only in August). Not all as 'spectacular' as the last two, but multi-victims nevertheless. I'm sure these people had a right not to be killed or maimed by nutters with easy access to arms.
pandora, where is the well regulated militia and how does that apply to today in 2012? people buying these military grade weapons are not in militias, because there are no militias. the 2nd amendment does not give people carte blanche to own an arsenal.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
Exactly. :thumbup:
ok this is deja vu we already covered this there are people here in favor of gun banning...
and I'll answer again
enforce the laws we have.
The laws that are in place are not enough they have to be updated to suit the the climate we now live in , all we are asking for is stricter laws ....
pandora, where is the well regulated militia and how does that apply to today in 2012? people buying these military grade weapons are not in militias, because there are no militias. the 2nd amendment does not give people carte blanche to own an arsenal.
Edit: I should mention that his source is for 'smarter' gun laws.
BTW - just looked up gun laws in Georgia. Just as shocking as Colorado (and many other States). No wonder some may be paranoid and see gun toting nutters everywhere. http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystat ... aws_ga.htm
That's it, in a nutshell.
Most of us just want to do something to prevent the mass murder type massacres from becoming so common place in America that we get used to it. We are NOT calling to eliminate all gun ownership... we are NOT trying the shred the Constitution... we are NOT 'against guns'. We are simply sick of co-called 'law-abiding, responsible' gun owners from from flipping the psycho switch and turning their 21 gun semi-automatic arsenal on American citizens just trying to watch a movie or go to church.
We understand that there are Constitutional rights tied to this and want to find a workable solution, other than going after the gunman after he has gone berserk. We undrstand the legal implications and that it is delicate walking through Second Amendment Rights and public safety.
It is a difficult problem to solve and bumper sticker slogans or anecdotal stories don't solve anything.
The Wisconsin shooter got his gun just a bit before the shooting. There have been 23 'mass shootings' in the USA this year (and we're only in August). Not all as 'spectacular' as the last two, but multi-victims nevertheless. I'm sure these people had a right not to be killed or maimed by nutters with easy access to arms.
And in many of the shootings the guns were purchased legally. The thing is, people are law-abiding...until they're not. Until there are stricter restrictions we are taking a huge risk in having seemingly very open access to weapons and ammunition in some states, including for people who are teetering on the edge.
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That is true. I guess my line of thinking was that these older folks might not secure their weapon (under the pillow) and grandchildren might get a hold of it. Also, I was thinking to myself recently that most guns had to have been sold legally at some point (maybe?)... and its just that thee are so many, we cant keep track of them anymore. Some guns, i'm sure, are lost in the mix when old people die and pass on their belongings to their children. These children might not be concerned with gun safety classes and education regarding their newly acquired firearms...this might just be one very small way that guns are getting into the wrong hands.
He has his facts there and really good common sense. He at one time wanted stricter laws
and to ban guns but did research and realized this will not stop crime.
Did you read through these... the link you posted... good lord...
guns kept at the hands of children and you would take guns away from responsible gun owners?
Why?
Blame the thoughtless not the thoughtful...
and I'm sure you know kids dying in bathtub drownings dwarf gun deaths.
Do you blame the bathtub or the parent when a child drowns?
I blame an irresponsible parent.... common sense.
Like I said how about focusing on gun saftey training instead of taking away peoples basic rights
to protect themselves and their children.
Wonder how many children and parents have been saved because there was a gun in the home?
But you must take them away to leave everyone a victim to the criminals...
that is not good common sense and what would give you the right to do this?
I am so surprised that gun safety training is not a priority with gun opponents
when they say they want to save the children ...
I cant grasp how you keep focusing on this. I've always detested guns, but it wasnt until I learned how pathetically easy it was for people to get them legally, unregistered, and without background checks that a little bell went off in my head saying, "maybe all these senseless accidents can be reduced if we consider better laws." Point is, its not about me, its about society. Its not selfish, you realize? its not personal. Its about the fact that the USA has the most guns in the world and consequently the most shootings...by far. This mentality of more guns has failed us.
Must you get all riled please watch your manners Miss ...
no need to direct snide jokes at others or insult
and yes the Second Amendment is the basis to all gun debate
but we are discussing the OP's question correct?
I can agree with this Pandora -- that would be helpful, but you know why its not a priority? Because gun advocates will not do that either. They usually refuse. They've had it so easy, because they have politicians in their back pockets, that they don't want to compromise anything. I think more safety training is great, but how can you force that, when you can legally buy assault rifles online with no background check and no registration? You have to start somewhere, and before you get to mandatory safety classes, you have to implement other regulations for it to work. That's why gun opponents rarely push that issue right now.
the constitution says a lot of things doesn't mean in the 21st century they are relevant...
I just don't like things that are made to kill innocent people.. I don't care what others own but if it's unsafe to own a certain thing then there should be restrictions... I know my family are a lot safe because we have NO guns in the house and never will.
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And again why do you focus on guns instead of gun safety?
Gun safety and allowing those to safely own guns will stop crime as statistics show
in states where people can carry.
It's happening ...
gun safety classes have waiting lists as people refuse to be victims anymore.
One would think that would make everyone happy.
That's the problem with this 'discussion' :? Not reading what others have to say. Stricter controls are what people are calling for. Not being able to buy guns over the internet with no checks, no registration, no nothing. Also mandatory training to go with acquiring a gun. After all, you can't have a driving license without having past your driving test (and theory test, and eye test, etc.). Why should one be able to have lethal weapons without having shown they can use and keep them responsibly. Gun safety is all part of this.
THIS is what people are discussing. Not taking a little old lady's gun away.
when I said its not personal, I was referring to the fact that you keep saying that gun opponents simply dont want people to have guns becase we dont like guns. :? This is not the case. many of us are thinking rationally on the basis of society not for personal gain.
On gun safety -- see my above post. Gun safety classes are voluntary for the most part I believe, and you cant make that a part of mandatory gun culture until you implement better registration practices.
training and safety, why wouldn't they be and why would assume otherwise?
People own guns responsibly, they teach their children to be responsible. Look at the number
of guns in America compared to any accidents. This is a no brainer.
Exactly. :thumbup:
Some people just need the obvious clearly pointed out to them.... otherwise, they miss the point, altogether.
Wanted to make sure you got the answer clearly pointed out to you, regarding your own question.
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P.S. ALL CAPITALS punctuated with 'exclamation points'... these little things -->!... designates 'Shouting'.
You're welcome.
Hail, Hail!!!
requiring people to be victims instead of allowing them to protect themselves.
Sorry that is totally irrational.
it does not say everyone can get as many guns and as many military grade weapons and 100 round magazines, and cop stopper hollow point bullets that they want.... it does not say that anywhere in the constitution, and it is a shame that number 2 has been so bastardized...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
ok this is deja vu we already covered this there are people here in favor of gun banning...
and I'll answer again
enforce the laws we have.
There are several versions of the text of the Second Amendment, each with slight capitalization and punctuation differences, found in the official documents surrounding the adoption of the Bill of Rights.[5] One version was passed by the Congress,[6] while another is found in the copies distributed to the States[7] and then ratified by them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ame ... nstitution
As passed by the Congress:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.[8]
The original hand-written copy of the Bill of Rights, approved by the House and Senate, was prepared by scribe William Lambert and resides in the National Archives.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Nevermind, i'm out -- you've again spun this one. I'm pointing out that that gun safety classes are voluntary. How is that making our gun culture any better? Gun owners are very much for training, education and safety? Well, obviously not enough. The amount of accidental shootings with legal firearms is simply too high, no matter how many guns there are in total. Not ALL owners are that concerned with education, safety, and training as you might assume.
You've said that gun opponents should be asking for more safety and training. I'm telling you that you cant ask for that under the current laws. What do YOU suggest as far as gun safety, training and education to REDUCE the amounts of accidental shootings?
"The following is the sad state of gun laws in Colorado:
No ban on assault weapons
No ban on high capacity ammunition clips
No registration
No gun owner licensing
No background checks for on line gun sales and other person to person gun transactions
No police discretion to determine who carries concealed handguns in public
No 'good cause' required for concealed carry permit applicants
No limit on the amount of handguns you can buy in one purchase"
That's it, in a nutshell.
Most of us just want to do something to prevent the mass murder type massacres from becoming so common place in America that we get used to it. We are NOT calling to eliminate all gun ownership... we are NOT trying the shred the Constitution... we are NOT 'against guns'.
We are simply sick of co-called 'law-abiding, responsible' gun owners from from flipping the psycho switch and turning their 21 gun semi-automatic arsenal on American citizens just trying to watch a movie or go to church.
We understand that there are Constitutional rights tied to this and want to find a workable solution, other than going after the gunman after he has gone berserk. We undrstand the legal implications and that it is delicate walking through Second Amendment Rights and public safety.
It is a difficult problem to solve and bumper sticker slogans or anecdotal stories don't solve anything.
Hail, Hail!!!
I have no clue what kind of ridiciulousness you are claiming here. Requiring people to be victims? :roll: You're now a victim if it takes you a bit longer to get an AR-15, or maybe if we check your background before you buy a 50 caliber sniper youre a victim? Or maybe you're a victim because instead of a 30 round magazine, you have to have a miniscule 12 rounds, oh the victimization is unbearable! :fp: talking about irrational :?
Guess that keeps escaping you...
http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news ... g-20120807
your state crime has dropped drastically with the license to carry laws...
was that a law you were opposed to?
And yes my statement is directed at those wanting to take away guns
and make laws stricter for the law abiding...
this does not effect the real problem the criminals not stop crime just the opposite.
I have no problem with gun collectors or hunters and see no reason to demand stricter laws
than those we have.
So you're fine with the gun laws we have in CO and most states?
The Wisconsin shooter got his gun just a bit before the shooting. There have been 23 'mass shootings' in the USA this year (and we're only in August). Not all as 'spectacular' as the last two, but multi-victims nevertheless. I'm sure these people had a right not to be killed or maimed by nutters with easy access to arms.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The laws that are in place are not enough they have to be updated to suit the the climate we now live in , all we are asking for is stricter laws ....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
A bit about the constitution, militia, etc.
http://smartgunlaws.org/second-amendment-basics/
http://smartgunlaws.org/the-second-amendment/
Edit: I should mention that his source is for 'smarter' gun laws.
BTW - just looked up gun laws in Georgia. Just as shocking as Colorado (and many other States). No wonder some may be paranoid and see gun toting nutters everywhere.
http://crime.about.com/od/gunlawsbystat ... aws_ga.htm
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