Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

satansbed

redrock wrote:

satansbed wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

stress relief during target/clay shooting...my main use for firearms. Penis measuring contest with other gun owners.

:fp: :nono: :corn:

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But isn't that basically just practicing killing something anyway.

I don't think so Satan - one can practice a skill (just like archery). It's just the frame of mind the target practice is done with. Though I guess there are some 'nutters' that may see the target as their hated boss/partner/noisy neighbour and 'imagine' they are shooting at them. (Since I got a :fp: for using the term nutter in another thread and was deemed insensitive, I would like to say i use the term loosely for 'weirdo'/'fucked up' and not as another term for the mentally ill ). I believe if one owns a gun for target practice (as many people seem to admit they own guns for), leave the gun and ammo under lock and key at the range and use it for this sport. They have no place out in the public....

okay, maybe i should put it like you are practicing how to kill.. and i have no real problem with that if the the gun and ammo is kept at the range to be honest. but lets be honest about it, thats what your doing at a range, whether it be killing for hunting purposes or self defense you are practicing how to kill someone with a gun.

josevolution

I do feel sorry foe anyone who is suffering from a Mental illness my complaint is that someone with mental issues should not be able to just purchase all these weapons & 6 thousand rounds of ammo some how something has to change or this will just continue to happen again & again ..

pandora

satansbed wrote:

okay, maybe i should put it like you are practicing how to kill.. and i have no real problem with that if the the gun and ammo is kept at the range to be honest. but lets be honest about it, thats what your doing at a range, whether it be killing for hunting purposes or self defense you are practicing how to kill someone with a gun.

That is ridiculous ...
being able to shoot your gun is apart of responsible gun ownership
and no the gun does not need to be kept at the range,
it is someone's personal possession, bought legally, owned responsibly.

This shows the problem here, one person, who is most likely in the depths of mental illness,
shoots people while thinking to be the joker, an imaginary character ...

so now everyone who owns guns are no longer responsible,
should not be allowed to keep even their sporting equipment in
their own homes

and because they are doing the responsible thing, learning to shoot,
to use their guns responsibly,

they are now called killers in training. :fp: alrighty then or should I say al-lefty then
tell me this is just not so....

satansbed

pandora wrote:

satansbed wrote:

okay, maybe i should put it like you are practicing how to kill.. and i have no real problem with that if the the gun and ammo is kept at the range to be honest. but lets be honest about it, thats what your doing at a range, whether it be killing for hunting purposes or self defense you are practicing how to kill someone with a gun.

That is ridiculous ...
being able to shoot your gun is apart of responsible gun ownership
and no the gun does not need to be kept at the range,
it is someone's personal possession, bought legally, owned responsibly.

This shows the problem here, one person, who is most likely in the depths of mental illness,
shoots people while thinking to be the joker, an imaginary character ...

so now everyone who owns guns are no longer responsible,
should not be allowed to keep even their sporting equipment in
their own homes

and because they are doing the responsible thing, learning to shoot,
to use their guns responsibly,

they are now called killers in training. :fp: alrighty then or should I say al-lefty then
tell me this is just not so....

But what else does a gun do?

dimitrispearljam

if war was a good thing we would shoot eachothers with flowers..

that why its bad,cos we shoot eachother with guns..

what ever excuse u wanna put it,guns are bad and couse only pain,blood,death...

no need to have Albert Einstein IQ to understand that.....

lets all get "training" for create better life,jobs,respect each other,all go to schools,have no poor people,lhave less violence...

thats the only "protection" we need..

pandora

redrock wrote:

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21158275/aurora-victim-released-from-hospital-says-he-forgives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwYXzro1So

Empathy is a beautiful thing, it brings value back to life, hope for the future,
it is catchy, it spreads, feels good, lightens, and most of all stops hate.

Stop the hate.

Good for whomever has the capacity to feel empathy for a sick fucker, and the ability to forgive them.

Doesn't mean everyone can or should (and I'm amazed that anyone could be so arrogant to say as much); also doesn't mean that those withholding "empathy" for someone like this piece of shit are heartless if they choose to place their compassion elsewhere.

Exactly Hedonist. So, one deeply religious person who got shot and survived (but did not lose any of his loved ones) forgives this man for his actions (guess this would be part of his beliefs/church). Then he also said that the guy was shooting but then god came in and the killer stopped shooting. Also, note forgiveness is not empathy.

As you say hedonist, the lack of empathy is not being heartless and it is not 'replaced' by hate. It is ludicrous even hinting at that. Empathy is not always a positive thing either. It's the capability to understand another's state of mind. This can be used in an 'understanding' way or, on the contrary, in a very very negative way.

So many of us, actually probably all of us can take something from this deeply religious person.
We could all be much better people.

The by product is love coming from his heart. Something that brings us together and heals.

The by product of others, not willing to try to understand even from a logical place,
is hate. Hate divides and festers.
We have seen it in bias, we have seen it in name calling, we can feel it, my gosh.

It is a negative thing this hate while our victim here brings a positive hope to humanity.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if war was a good thing we would shoot eachothers with flowers..

that why its bad,cos we shoot eachother with guns..

what ever excuse u wanna put it,guns are bad and couse only pain,blood,death...

no need to have Albert Einstein IQ to understand that.....

lets all get "training" for create better life,jobs,respect each other,all go to schools,have no poor people,lhave less violence...

thats the only "protection" we need..

Perhaps when Jesus comes?

because there is way to much evil in the world for your plan to work D.

pandora

satansbed wrote:

pandora wrote:

satansbed wrote:

okay, maybe i should put it like you are practicing how to kill.. and i have no real problem with that if the the gun and ammo is kept at the range to be honest. but lets be honest about it, thats what your doing at a range, whether it be killing for hunting purposes or self defense you are practicing how to kill someone with a gun.

That is ridiculous ...
being able to shoot your gun is apart of responsible gun ownership
and no the gun does not need to be kept at the range,
it is someone's personal possession, bought legally, owned responsibly.

This shows the problem here, one person, who is most likely in the depths of mental illness,
shoots people while thinking to be the joker, an imaginary character ...

so now everyone who owns guns are no longer responsible,
should not be allowed to keep even their sporting equipment in
their own homes

and because they are doing the responsible thing, learning to shoot,
to use their guns responsibly,

they are now called killers in training. :fp: alrighty then or should I say al-lefty then
tell me this is just not so....

But what else does a gun do?

Guns protect.

Have you been listening watching the turn taking place?

Guns in the right place at the right time...

stopping rape, stopping abduction, stopping home invasion, stopping robberies,
stopping killing ...
yep thats right stopping killing.

Guns protect.

hedonist

pandora wrote:

hedonist wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21158275/aurora-victim-released-from-hospital-says-he-forgives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwYXzro1So

Empathy is a beautiful thing, it brings value back to life, hope for the future,
it is catchy, it spreads, feels good, lightens, and most of all stops hate.

Stop the hate.

Good for whomever has the capacity to feel empathy for a sick fucker, and the ability to forgive them.

Doesn't mean everyone can or should (and I'm amazed that anyone could be so arrogant to say as much); also doesn't mean that those withholding "empathy" for someone like this piece of shit are heartless if they choose to place their compassion elsewhere.

Do you have a loved one with schizophrenia?
Do you know the disease?
Can you learn about it if not? once educated you will see no arrogance
more a logical conclusion.

I too have said if he is not found to be mentally ill I would not have empathy
but that is not my gut feeling in this case.

I know having seen the disease first hand that this shooter would not be responsible
for his actions. He would need medication the rest of his life in a prison hospital.

This comes from a logical place not empathy.

If someone is not competent they are not responsible

non compos mentis

As much as you and others want to blame or call him a sick fuck
you would be wrong he would just be sick.
The fuck part comes from a motive he does not have,
if indeed a victim himself.

If you could live inside the torment of schizophrenia you would understand my use
of the term victim.

Sounds like I should defer to your judgment...but I won't. What I said was in response to your post, and I stand by it.

pandora

ComeToTX wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.denverpost.com/theatershooting/ci_21158275/aurora-victim-released-from-hospital-says-he-forgives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMwYXzro1So

Empathy is a beautiful thing, it brings value back to life, hope for the future,
it is catchy, it spreads, feels good, lightens, and most of all stops hate.

Stop the hate.

if he shot me and i lived i might be able to forgive me. if he shot my young child an she died there's no way i could.

He is not competent, he is not responsible, he is not in his competent mind

if this proves to be the case

how could you blame him?

How would never coming to terms with the loss of your daughter
ever help her, her siblings, her grandparents, her mother or you ?

Would this be what your daughter would want for you and your family?
She knows she will see you again.

redrock

josevolution wrote:

I do feel sorry foe anyone who is suffering from a Mental illness my complaint is that someone with mental issues should not be able to just purchase all these weapons & 6 thousand rounds of ammo some how something has to change or this will just continue to happen again & again ..

As you say. Much more in depth and stringent controls must be put in place - too many are just a quick check. But what about those who purchased guns ' sane' but develop some kind of mental illness? Should doctors have to report them? Seems a bit extreme. Should a gun licence be something to renew every year (or however many) with serious checks each time in case their mental health has taken a turn, with the licence revoked and guns confiscated until the all clear given? Driving licences can be revoked..... I guess some here would find this a master attempt to take away their god given rights but this type of solution may help catch those who may otherwise slip through the net and would save innocent lives.

pandora

hedonist wrote:

Sounds like I should defer to your judgment...but I won't. What I said was in response to your post, and I stand by it.

I hope someday an understanding comes that will allow you to forgive when someone is ill
and not a fuck.

hedonist wrote:

Good for whomever has the capacity to feel empathy for a sick fucker, and the ability to forgive them.

Doesn't mean everyone can or should (and I'm amazed that anyone could be so arrogant to say as much); also doesn't mean that those withholding "empathy" for someone like this piece of shit are heartless if they choose to place their compassion elsewhere.

The thing is...
there is plenty of compassion to go around, we were built with an endless commodity.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if war was a good thing we would shoot eachothers with flowers..

that why its bad,cos we shoot eachother with guns..

what ever excuse u wanna put it,guns are bad and couse only pain,blood,death...

no need to have Albert Einstein IQ to understand that.....

lets all get "training" for create better life,jobs,respect each other,all go to schools,have no poor people,lhave less violence...

thats the only "protection" we need..

Perhaps when Jesus comes?

because there is way to much evil in the world for your plan to work D.

i dont have a plan..but this should be all of us plan.....

but how can it be,when people has shareholds at guns industries are leaders of goverments..?

guns mean death..and..

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

Pandora,unfortunately,i work in a war machine...so i know for SURE....

guns are bad....

pandora

redrock wrote:

josevolution wrote:

I do feel sorry foe anyone who is suffering from a Mental illness my complaint is that someone with mental issues should not be able to just purchase all these weapons & 6 thousand rounds of ammo some how something has to change or this will just continue to happen again & again ..

As you say. Much more in depth and stringent controls must be put in place - too many are just a quick check. But what about those who purchased guns ' sane' but develop some kind of mental illness? Should doctors have to report them? Seems a bit extreme. Should a gun licence be something to renew every year (or however many) with serious checks each time in case their mental health has taken a turn, with the licence revoked and guns confiscated until the all clear given? Driving licences can be revoked..... I guess some here would find this a master attempt to take away their god given rights but this type of solution may help catch those who may otherwise slip through the net and would save innocent lives.

But what about the bombs, the knives, the machetes? And cars?
Should mental patients not be allowed to drive,
because a few have been known to run people down on purpose?

Taking away ... is not the answer...

Giving to ... is the answer.

Give families options to help, give mental health treatment to those who need it,
make it affordable and easily available.

We have gun laws ... enforce them.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

if war was a good thing we would shoot eachothers with flowers..

that why its bad,cos we shoot eachother with guns..

what ever excuse u wanna put it,guns are bad and couse only pain,blood,death...

no need to have Albert Einstein IQ to understand that.....

lets all get "training" for create better life,jobs,respect each other,all go to schools,have no poor people,lhave less violence...

thats the only "protection" we need..

Perhaps when Jesus comes?

because there is way to much evil in the world for your plan to work D.

i dont have a plan..but this should be all of us plan.....

but how can it be,when people has shareholds at guns industries are leaders of goverments..?

guns mean death..and..

"Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves"

Pandora,unfortunately,i work in a war machine...so i know for SURE....

guns are bad....

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

hedonist

pandora wrote:

hedonist wrote:

Sounds like I should defer to your judgment...but I won't. What I said was in response to your post, and I stand by it.

I hope someday an understanding comes that will allow you to forgive when someone is ill
and not a fuck.

hedonist wrote:

Good for whomever has the capacity to feel empathy for a sick fucker, and the ability to forgive them.

Doesn't mean everyone can or should (and I'm amazed that anyone could be so arrogant to say as much); also doesn't mean that those withholding "empathy" for someone like this piece of shit are heartless if they choose to place their compassion elsewhere.

The thing is...
there is plenty of compassion to go around, we were built with an endless commodity.

Pandora, you don't really know me, or my capacity to understand / forgive, or my choice not to. Nor what I HAVE forgiven, and chosen not to.

I'm at peace with my heart...with my choices.

And I'll leave it at this: It's a sweet summer morning here and I'm reveling in the abundance of goodness around me. Not looking to argue and I figure you're not either. There are times I disagree with your views and methods of communicating them, but I do appreciate the good intentions behind them.

dimitrispearljam

pandora wrote:

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

i just want Rambo to be profecionals,the ones save us and not every citizen get guns in his life
when u have a gun,u get in the thought of use it,,thats a fact..
i loose a relative from someone took his gun to "save" someone but he shoot the wrong person,cos he thought was the bad guy,
i wanrt proffecional like police to carry guns only..they trained to protect us,use the guns right,
all this people can buy guns just like that,cos they can doesnt make me feel safe at all..
we have different opinion in this
just have in mind,im trained to use guns..and guns u never imagine there are exist..
guns do bad only..
even u try to protect your self ,and u are lucky not to kill someone innocent by mistake,but only the "bad" guy
you will not sleep for the rest of your life....
guns create fucked up situations,no matter the reason,you think you use them..

blueandwhite

pandora wrote:

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

Is that true? Considering you have more gun-related deaths per capita than any other developed nation on earth can you really say that guns are saving lives? It seems to me that you're ignoring statistics to suit an agenda. Whether you accept it or not, the US has the highest gun-related homicide rate in the developed world. Tell me, if the cowards are really running scared why is your homicide rate so high?

I'm hear anecdotal evidence stating that guns protect, but it seems to me that these are isolated cases rather than the norm. Where are all of these would-be heroes? Where were they Virginia tech happened, or when Senator Giffords was shot? You keep saying America is special; that America is different and that America can't be compared with the rest of the world yet all I see is a nation that has been gripped by gun violence for years. Your nation's ability to downplay gun violence is special, but it's not enviable.

pandora

dimitrispearljam wrote:

pandora wrote:

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

i just want Rambo to be profecionals,the ones save us and not every citizen get guns in his life
when u have a gun,u get in the thought of use it,,thats a fact..
i loose a relative from someone took his gun to "save" someone but he shoot the wrong person,cos he thought was the bad guy,
i wanrt proffecional like police to carry guns only..they trained to protect us,use the guns right,
all this people can buy guns just like that,cos they can doesnt make me feel safe at all..
we have different opinion in this
just have in mind,im trained to use guns..and guns u never imagine there are exist..
guns do bad only..
even u try to protect your self ,and u are lucky not to kill someone innocent by mistake,but only the "bad" guy
you will not sleep for the rest of your life....
guns create fucked up situations,no matter the reason,you think you use them..

I don't know about there in Greece D but here the cops show up after the crime...
they try to solve the crime.

I would rather be a statistic from fighting back then from not fighting at all,
I would feel the same for my loved ones.

Oh and the bad guys here in Atl have guns and machetes. :?

pandora

blueandwhite wrote:

pandora wrote:

no Dimi I respectfully do not agree...
guns are saving lives here in my city everyday.
They are saving victims from horrible trauma, torment, loss, and death.

Evil people will always find guns and will use them to take what they want,
even a little girl's body.
No more D we are fighting back ... fighting fire with fire

The cowards are running scared because people are protecting themselves,
their children and their property

Is that true? Considering you have more gun-related deaths per capita than any other developed nation on earth can you really say that guns are saving lives? It seems to me that you're ignoring statistics to suit an agenda. Whether you accept it or not, the US has the highest gun-related homicide rate in the developed world. Tell me, if the cowards are really running scared why is your homicide rate so high?

I'm hear anecdotal evidence stating that guns protect, but it seems to me that these are isolated cases rather than the norm. Where are all of these would-be heroes? Where were they Virginia tech happened, or when Senator Giffords was shot? You keep saying America is special; that America is different and that America can't be compared with the rest of the world yet all I see is a nation that has been gripped by gun violence for years. Your nation's ability to downplay gun violence is special, but it's not enviable.

Yes numerous stories emerging in the news daily of criminals stopped in their tracks.
That is good wouldn't you say? I guess you would rather play the victim yes?
Well many will not anymore.

Protecting oneself is logical, it is admired, it is needed, it is wanted and it is our right.

Our homicide rate is so high because people don't value life...
the bad guys that is.
We got plenty of those, more being born into a life of no hope,
more arriving in our country daily, straining our social services,
bringing guns of their own, crime of their own.

Actually there was a hero at Giffords shooting I believe.
I will have to research again though.

I certainly don't think Americans are downplaying violence just the opposite
they are arming themselves because of violence.. what is so hard to understand about that?