Whats going wrong with the world? More shootings

PJ_Soul

mikepegg44 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

fair enough.

But statistics would say you should be more afraid of knives than assault rifles. That is my point. You feel afraid of them, not everyone does and that is what makes the argument so hard I think...You will never here me say someone needs an AR-15. Ever. But it isn't my job to tell someone what they can have if it isn't being used against other people. Each situation is different and when we look at them as blankets we might as well cover all of the homicides with the same blanket. Likelihood of attack would show that assault weapons shouldn't be feared like some other tools people use for murder.

Maybe it would do you some good to target shoot. Give me a PM if you are ever in Minneapolis, you certainly can come with first timers are a blast to shoot with...it might give a better understanding of what I am talking about...My guns, and there are far many more people like me than not, are kept locked and safe and are used for legitimate purposes and yes, sometimes those purposes are intimidation of other people who happen to be criminals.

Assault rifles are definitely better at killing than knives, I guess the stabbers are just looking for more of a challenge?

It all boils down to needs and wants I suppose...We all want to tell someone what they need and what they should want...I don't think anyone is different there. Me saying that people shouldn't care about what anyone else does until it affects them directly is me telling someone what they should want...I am fully aware of that irony.

Thanks for the invitation, but you seriously would not want to take me target shooting :shock: Seriously, if you ever have the opportunity to see me play softball, table tennis, golf or bowling you would not want to let me anywhere near a gun :? You might quickly jump to wanting to ban all guns as a matter of fact :think:

I just feel like if someone wants to kill me they should work for it, so statistically knives might be more responsible for more deaths, but at least they have to put a little effort in :P I mean don't be lazy about your killings :roll:

on both accounts

I agree, I don't want to be murdered by anything other than a bowling bowl falling through a bath tub that starts off a chain reaction ah la mouse trap. I would be disappointed if it went down any other way.

comebackgirl

mikepegg44 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Thanks for the invitation, but you seriously would not want to take me target shooting :shock: Seriously, if you ever have the opportunity to see me play softball, table tennis, golf or bowling you would not want to let me anywhere near a gun :? You might quickly jump to wanting to ban all guns as a matter of fact :think:

I just feel like if someone wants to kill me they should work for it, so statistically knives might be more responsible for more deaths, but at least they have to put a little effort in :P I mean don't be lazy about your killings :roll:

on both accounts

I agree, I don't want to be murdered by anything other than a bowling bowl falling through a bath tub that starts off a chain reaction ah la mouse trap. I would be disappointed if it went down any other way.

Well here's hoping we both go out that way at the ripe old age of 105 just to stir those stats of yours up a bit

g under p

mikepegg44 wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Oh good. I'm glad you felt your question was answered. I wasn't sure.

I assume nothing about the people who own guns, only about the guns themselves. I'm positive that not everyone who has a gun in their home would threaten or kill with it, but yes we do disagree as that it still seems to be the only reason guns were made, whether or not someone chooses to use it in that manner. Just as shoes are made to be walked in, whether or not I choose to have a whole collection just to admire on a shelf :shifty: I'm open to hearing more purposes for a gun, but the target practice use is not a convincing one for me. And yes you wouldn't need to use the gun to threaten, I agree the gun is threatening in and of itself, as that is one of its purposes.

You absolutely can have use any stress relieving activity that works for you. I'm not here to limit that choice....just pointing out that there are other options and guns are not a necessity for this. Good for you for finding something that works! Stress probably kills even more than guns.

Guns are certainly more efficient at killing than knives. I certainly don't feel safe being in the presence of one. They certainly used for illegal purposes by people who own them legally often enough to make me feel unsafe.

fair enough.

But statistics would say you should be more afraid of knives than assault rifles. That is my point. You feel afraid of them, not everyone does and that is what makes the argument so hard I think...You will never here me say someone needs an AR-15. Ever. But it isn't my job to tell someone what they can have if it isn't being used against other people. Each situation is different and when we look at them as blankets we might as well cover all of the homicides with the same blanket. Likelihood of attack would show that assault weapons shouldn't be feared like some other tools people use for murder.

Maybe it would do you some good to target shoot. Give me a PM if you are ever in Minneapolis, you certainly can come with first timers are a blast to shoot with...it might give a better understanding of what I am talking about...My guns, and there are far many more people like me than not, are kept locked and safe and are used for legitimate purposes and yes, sometimes those purposes are intimidation of other people who happen to be criminals.

Assault rifles are definitely better at killing than knives, I guess the stabbers are just looking for more of a challenge?

It all boils down to needs and wants I suppose...We all want to tell someone what they need and what they should want...I don't think anyone is different there. Me saying that people shouldn't care about what anyone else does until it affects them directly is me telling someone what they should want...I am fully aware of that irony.

comebackgirl wrote:

[Thanks for the invitation, but you seriously would not want to take me target shooting :shock: Seriously, if you ever have the opportunity to see me play softball, table tennis, golf or bowling you would not want to let me anywhere near a gun :? You might quickly jump to wanting to ban all guns as a matter of fact :think:

I just feel like if someone wants to kill me they should work for it, so statistically knives might be more responsible for more deaths, but at least they have to put a little effort in :P I mean don't be lazy about your killings :roll:

I agree one must work hard these days can't stand lazy people.

Peace

g under p

g under p wrote:

AzWicker wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

If you own a gun, you are statistically 50% more likely to die from your own gun than somebody elses.

So, owning a gun is statistically more deadly than not owning a gun.


I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.

Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.

Guns are DESIGNED to kill, many can use them for target practice (I did when was on my school's rifleteam) or they use guns to PROTECT themselves. I don't feel the need to own a gun at the moment. I may in the future purchase a 22 caliber rifle to shoot at our gun club. Just to see if I'm STILL as good of a shot as I was in college, I was #2 on my rifle team. Number one had at the time the best rifle and scope that rifle was badass.

Now in our home for protection let's see I have somewhere in our master bedroom a machete, baseball bat and a 4ft sword from Pakistan (you know the kind Conan would use..not the redhead, The Barbarian). Many times I'll go bare feet and practice Conan The Barbarian moves by the lake, I'm sure if my neighbors could see they would think I'm nuts. On the her side has a billy club sometimes I think it's for me.

Peace

This is the rifle I will get just to see if i STILL have the great training i recieved on my rifleteam and in the military. In all 3 positions...standing, kneeling and prone for target practice.



More stats on this rifle...http://www.championshooters.com/2012big.htm

Peace

JonnyPistachio

South Florida has a gang problem. The gang problem was rampant in my area until a few years ago when Palm Beach County Sheriff took over my little town of Lake Worth.(Gunder P you probably know) There were 5-6 shots fired from a gang member in the intersection outside my house a few weeks ago too. I thought about getting a gun a few times, but I decided to move instead.

BUT, the more I think about limiting certain guns, the more I think someday we could catch up to some of the criminals with special task forces. (I know, doubtful thinking)

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/ ... g-d/nP4cw/

And I saw this story today ^^^ of (likely) 12 guns taken off the street. Hopefully 15 guns werent sold illegally or stolen to offset that. I know that's just one instance, but every now and then they do a sweep and take dozens of guns off the streets. I wish we could come up with a way to get these guns off the street, at least some of them.

g under p

JonnyPistachio wrote:

South Florida has a gang problem. The gang problem was rampant in my area until a few years ago when Palm Beach County Sheriff took over my little town of Lake Worth.(Gunder P you probably know) There were 5-6 shots fired from a gang member in the intersection outside my house a few weeks ago too. I thought about getting a gun a few times, but I decided to move instead.

BUT, the more I think about limiting certain guns, the more I think someday we could catch up to some of the criminals with special task forces. (I know, doubtful thinking)

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/news/ ... g-d/nP4cw/

And I saw this story today ^^^ of (likely) 12 guns taken off the street. Hopefully 15 guns werent sold illegally or stolen to offset that. I know that's just one instance, but every now and then they do a sweep and take dozens of guns off the streets. I wish we could come up with a way to get these guns off the street, at least some of them.

JP, living here in Lake Worth/Wellington area you were one of the first people to bring it to my attention we had gangs here. I had no idea i even asked myself what you were talking about way back. I asked my other half who has been here all her life she went to Lake Worth High says there has ALWAYS been gangs here. I mean every single day there's shootings in Riveria Beach....man I'm so glad I live to western edge of Lake Worth where it SEEMS like there's no gangs out here.

Peace

hedonist

C'mon out to LA! - hell, just southern California. Northern Cali too.

Not sure if it's been on the news in your area, but in Anaheim (Orange County - quite aways from me, probably closer to where Cosmo is) there've been "protests" (read: looting, destruction of property, rocks and bottles tossed at police) in response to two separate police shootings last week...one of an armed man (I believe a gang member) and the other of an unarmed but known gang member.

Not saying it's right to shoot a weaponless person, but honestly? Two less pieces of shit off the streets, along with their guns.

(most of these asshats have lousy aim anyway, and end up taking out some innocents)

g under p

AzWicker wrote:

LikeAnOcean wrote:

If you own a gun, you are statistically 50% more likely to die from your own gun than somebody elses.

So, owning a gun is statistically more deadly than not owning a gun.


I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.

Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.

g under p wrote:

g under p wrote:

Guns are DESIGNED to kill, many can use them for target practice (I did when was on my school's rifleteam) or they use guns to PROTECT themselves. I don't feel the need to own a gun at the moment. I may in the future purchase a 22 caliber rifle to shoot at our gun club. Just to see if I'm STILL as good of a shot as I was in college, I was #2 on my rifle team. Number one had at the time the best rifle and scope that rifle was badass.

Now in our home for protection let's see I have somewhere in our master bedroom a machete, baseball bat and a 4ft sword from Pakistan (you know the kind Conan would use..not the redhead, The Barbarian). Many times I'll go bare feet and practice Conan The Barbarian moves by the lake, I'm sure if my neighbors could see they would think I'm nuts. On the her side has a billy club sometimes I think it's for me.

Peace

This is the rifle I will get just to see if i STILL have the great training i recieved on my rifleteam and in the military. In all 3 positions...standing, kneeling and prone for target practice.



More stats on this rifle...http://www.championshooters.com/2012big.htm

Peace

http://www.championshooters.com/2213big.htm

I just went shopping ONLINE for this rifle $3922.15 + shipping and handling. All they needed was my credit card and the rifle is mine. I can't believe that's all I need to get this.....I thought they would be some sort of background check of some sort., WOW! That's without a sights which would be another $515....this could be a another very expensive hobby.

Peace

Snakeduck

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

catefrances

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

is your bear armed??

peacefrompaul

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

g under p

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

You mean the ones with over 700 steel balls if so you are a bad *mothershutyourmouth* go on with your bad self.

Peace

Byrnzie

The Flip-flopper strikes again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ju ... -tightened

Obama calls for US gun control laws to be tightened in wake of Aurora shooting

President affirms right to bear arms but says assault rifles do not belong in the hands of citizens, drawing contrast with Romney


Adam Gabbatt in New York
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 July 2012


'Barack Obama has addressed the issue of gun control for the first time since the Colorado film premiere shootings, appealing for "a consensus around violence reduction" and suggesting assault rifles "belong on the battlefield".

...The president's comments came as the Republican presidential candidate
Mitt Romney said the US did not need new gun laws and argued that "changing the heart of the American people" might be the way to avoid future tragedy instead.

...As governor of Massachusetts, Romney banned assault weapons such as the AR-15 used in the Aurora shooting. He described them as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people" as he signed the bill outlawing them in 2002.'

catefrances

Byrnzie wrote:

...Mitt Romney said the US did not need new gun laws and argued that "changing the heart of the American people" might be the way to avoid future tragedy instead....

if guns are the heart of the american people you all have a serious problem.

peacefrompaul

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

...Mitt Romney said the US did not need new gun laws and argued that "changing the heart of the American people" might be the way to avoid future tragedy instead....

if guns are the heart of the american people you all have a serious problem.

Yeah... There is more to it than what Mitt claims.

catefrances

peacefrompaul wrote:

catefrances wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

...Mitt Romney said the US did not need new gun laws and argued that "changing the heart of the American people" might be the way to avoid future tragedy instead....

if guns are the heart of the american people you all have a serious problem.

Yeah... There is more to it than what Mitt claims.

i actually think i misread that quote. :?

g under p

Byrnzie wrote:

The Flip-flopper strikes again:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/ju ... -tightened

Obama calls for US gun control laws to be tightened in wake of Aurora shooting

President affirms right to bear arms but says assault rifles do not belong in the hands of citizens, drawing contrast with Romney


Adam Gabbatt in New York
guardian.co.uk, Thursday 26 July 2012


'Barack Obama has addressed the issue of gun control for the first time since the Colorado film premiere shootings, appealing for "a consensus around violence reduction" and suggesting assault rifles "belong on the battlefield".

...The president's comments came as the Republican presidential candidate
Mitt Romney said the US did not need new gun laws and argued that "changing the heart of the American people" might be the way to avoid future tragedy instead.

...As governor of Massachusetts, Romney banned assault weapons such as the AR-15 used in the Aurora shooting. He described them as "instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people" as he signed the bill outlawing them in 2002.'

Well don't ya know Romnry is now running for president so now EVERYTHING CHANGES!

Peace

comebackgirl

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

Seriously...my attack cat would claw some shit out of people (she really would...all 8 pounds of her) :shock: and I can kick some ass with the right stiletto in my hand. WTF do I need a gun for?

catefrances

comebackgirl wrote:

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

Seriously...my attack cat would claw some shit out of people (she really would...all 8 pounds of her) :shock: and I can kick some ass with the right stiletto in my hand. WTF do I need a gun for?

for shooting those bastards who be wanting to take your shoes.

comebackgirl

catefrances wrote:

comebackgirl wrote:

Snakeduck wrote:

Gun are for pussies; I have claymores rigged around my house and a grizzly I personally trained living inside. Guns...pffft.

Seriously...my attack cat would claw some shit out of people (she really would...all 8 pounds of her) :shock: and I can kick some ass with the right stiletto in my hand. WTF do I need a gun for?

for shooting those bastards who be wanting to take your shoes.

Don't mess with my shoes :twisted:

My mom has to come feed my cats this weekend and we're a little afraid she won't let her in the door :oops: She wouldn't let her come inside when we went away before. Who needs guns for protection :roll: I mean really