Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
people were not shooting the shit out of people in public places back when you and i were kids though...
I guess not.
When I was a freshman, a student a floor below me shot our counselor with a shotgun after he caught him using drugs. I didn't hear the shot, but found out about it on the news when I noticed SWAT teams swarming the outside of the building. It was kind of scary running out of the building and not knowing where the kid was. After 5 hours, they discovered the kid had went back to his room and blown his head off.
Don't know if there was a point to that story ... just trying to think back when the simpler times ended.
When I was a freshman, a student a floor below me shot our counselor with a shotgun after he caught him using drugs. I didn't hear the shot, but found out about it on the news when I noticed SWAT teams swarming the outside of the building. It was kind of scary running out of the building and not knowing where the kid was. After 5 hours, they discovered the kid had went back to his room and blown his head off.
Don't know if there was a point to that story ... just trying to think back when the simpler times ended.
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It used to be shocking that there would be metal detectors in schools... it is now so common place, we think nothing of it.
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Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
Yeah, they fired over 2,000 rounds. It's amazing they were the only two killed.
I remember the parents of one of the robbers suing because the cops let him bleed out. :fp:
Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
That was insane. I couldnt believe what I was seeing when that was on TV.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
can a woodchuck chuck wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?[/quote]
see that is exactly the point. each right does have restrictions so why can't we restrict the amount of guns that people can buy and why can't we restrict the type of guns that people buy.
if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
Because I'm not going to go bird hunting with a Glock 9
That would almost be funny to see!
50 guns though? That's pretty crazy. No matter what you do with guns, there is no need for that. That's 50 guns that could be stolen/sold sometime during their lifespan and move into the illegal trade .... The hunting argument rubs me the wrong way in any case - hunting for entertainment (i.e. even if you eat it after but actually do it for fun and can afford the grocery store) sucks. I hate it. But that's just me.
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if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
...
I suppose it all depends.
I mean, I can see having vintage Kentucky Long Rifles or old WWII M-1s and stuff with historical significance... along with hunting rifles and home protection fire arms.
But, if it is 50 AR-15, AK-47, Street Sweeper 12 gages and the likes... I'd be kind of concerned.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
Because I'm not going to go bird hunting with a Glock 9
That would almost be funny to see!
50 guns though? That's pretty crazy. No matter what you do with guns, there is no need for that. That's 50 guns that could be stolen/sold sometime during their lifespan and move into the illegal trade .... The hunting argument rubs me the wrong way in any case - hunting for entertainment (i.e. even if you eat it after but actually do it for fun and can afford the grocery store) sucks. I hate it. But that's just me.
It may be funny.. and can be dangerous dangerous... very dangerous....
Not going to subtract from how dangerous shotguns can be, either... I was bird hunting on the edge of a game farm one time... picking up any birds that hunters at the game farm didn't get... long story short, bb's were raining down around me.
50 guns is a lot, a lot of money and passion are usually put into that... it's no big deal to me, as long as they were acquired legally. Some collect coins, documents, artifacts, etc. and others collect guns.
I understand your views on hunting and, obviously, others share that.... that's fine.
I was watching a 48 hours mystery thing last night where a dude tried to buy a gun to kill his parents and was denied because of gun laws, so he did the next logical thing and bought a childs baseball bat from nike and beat them to death that way. I'm just glad he didn't get the gun, its much more humane to be beaten to death with a bat. And if he would have gotten the gun, he would have killed all sorts of pregnant women and childrenand dogs and stuff. Guns are the problem guys, we have a gun problem not a violence problem. People haven't been killing people since there have been people. We only started doing it after the guns showed up. Go away guns!
if you think what I believe is stupid, bizarre, ridiculous or outrageous.....it's ok, I think I had a brain tumor when I wrote that.
You're basically saying that since this one woman saved her own life by owning a gun that people should be able to stockpile semi-automatic weapons and 10,000 plus rounds of ammo in a short period of time. That's really a freedom we all need? That's what it takes to protect your home? If this were Syria I might agree.
The boat, car, jet ski argument has already been had multiple times in this thread. To the best of my knowledge the jet ski wasn't invented to kill people and nobody has ever gone on a killing spree with a boat.
Did you miss the accident point... that was why I used the examples
but I think you knew that...
I am basically saying if a person chooses to own a gun or 2000 guns
and does so legally and responsibly within the law, I have no problem with that.
What I have a problem with is people,
who because they don't like guns, they think they should be able to tell others
they can not own one responsibly.
The replies I have gotten here from some, when they find out I do not own a gun personally,
is all telling. They are oblivious to the fact that it is even possible
for a person to believe in the rights of others.
I do not have to have people be like me to like them, support them, to understand them
and their needs. I do not question the fact that some people want and need a gun
for protection. I do not look down on those who hunt, legally. Would I hunt? no.
I do not chastise those who like to collect, display and otherwise enjoy owning guns.
Nor insult target shooters by saying they are practicing to kill :wtf:
Gun sales are skyrocketing because people know they need to protect themselves.
What is also skyrocketing are those enrolling in safety classes because it is the
responsible that now see it is prudent and responsible to have a gun of their own.
ok,so at usa,u can buy and own as many guns u want..
for me ,from the moment u have this,then must be a law that has a limit of what type of guns u could buy,take-run test from doctors,if your mind is ok,your vision,and take lessons,how to use,how it works,what means your life is in danger,go every month mandatory for shoting practice.
when u want a drive license u do all this paperwork,pass exams,for renew the same,
its crazy u need to pass exams again from doc etc for can drive when u are 80 years old..
but u can have a bazooka with noone care if u have alzheimer and u can shoot your son,cos you forget him and you found him inside your house..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
who because they don't like guns, they think they should be able to tell others
they can not own one responsibly.
That's where you are wrong and keep on repeating this falsehood. :fp: What people are after are tighter controls. No one mentioned banning guns outright.
who because they don't like guns, they think they should be able to tell others
they can not own one responsibly.
That's where you are wrong and keep on repeating this falsehood. :fp: What people are after are tighter controls. No one mentioned banning guns outright.
but I think you knew that....
wrong, not true, some have said they do not want any guns for the public
if they could have it their way
go back and read in all the threads, there are definitely some in favor of banning
I'm responding to posts in this thread - not the others - as I assume most posters are.
It is quite obvious that current laws in the US are not sufficient, even if they were to be enforced to the letter. Anyone can see that. Whether one wants to do something about it or not, that's another question.
I'm responding to posts in this thread - not the others - as I assume most posters are.
It is quite obvious that current laws in the US are not sufficient, even if they were to be enforced to the letter. Anyone can see that. Whether one wants to do something about it or not, that's another question.
Do you know our laws?
Do you think they are being enforced to the letter?
Why do you think more laws would help?
What kind of laws would help?
What do you feel is the most contributing factor to gun violence
legal or otherwise?
In this thread there are some wanting to ban all guns to the public.
Apart from your first question, all the answers are in this thread if one cares to read properly. Again, if one cared to read properly, no one mentioned outright ban.
And, though I do not need to justify myself to anyone, as the laws do vary from state to state, it would be very presumptuous on my part to say that I know ALL the gun laws from ALL the states. But I do know as much as most would know from a nationwide and 'own state' point of view.
Apart from your first question, all the answers are in this thread if one cares to read properly. Again, if one cared to read properly, no one mentioned outright ban.
And, though I do not need to justify myself to anyone, as the laws do vary from state to state, it would be very presumptuous on my part to say that I know ALL the gun laws from ALL the states. But I do know as much as most would know from a nationwide and 'own state' point of view.
ok,so at usa,u can buy and own as many guns u want..
for me ,from the moment u have this,then must be a law that has a limit of what type of guns u could buy,take-run test from doctors,if your mind is ok,your vision,and take lessons,how to use,how it works,what means your life is in danger,go every month mandatory for shoting practice.
when u want a drive license u do all this paperwork,pass exams,for renew the same,
its crazy u need to pass exams again from doc etc for can drive when u are 80 years old..
but u can have a bazooka with noone care if u have alzheimer and u can shoot your son,cos you forget him and you found him inside your house..
Apart from your first question, all the answers are in this thread if one cares to read properly. Again, if one cared to read properly, no one mentioned outright ban.
And, though I do not need to justify myself to anyone, as the laws do vary from state to state, it would be very presumptuous on my part to say that I know ALL the gun laws from ALL the states. But I do know as much as most would know from a nationwide and 'own state' point of view.
I guess I'm one person you just can't debate well with ...
always leaving, that's ok though I get it and honor your wishes.
Perhaps not engage at all then, that would be along the posting guidelines,
I would also honor your wish with that.
Stricter controls / laws only effect law abiding people and the laws in place
are not our problem with gun violence...
the gun violence that happens 24 / 7 / 365 days a year will not be stopped
with stricter laws.
The rare random acts can be addressed without stricter control, as in the most recent case.
So many warning signs could have been acted on so this mentally ill man could not carry through
what he deemed his purpose.
Enforce the laws we have and educate the public on safety. Also arming responsible
citizens, as many are choosing to do, will help as in the case of Miss Ruby ...
two down how many to go?
Fight fire with fire is what some people are choosing to do and it is working.
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I find it odd that people worry about their guns being taken away and then basically boast on a public forum about having them . Interesting.
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
with a gun or without.
In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
right thing to do.
Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
and are prepared as they see fit.
Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ... with a gun or without, they will be a victim when the time comes,
a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
So people who are victimized are weak and stupid? Am I reading this last part correctly? Are we all supposed to be in training for a potential attack from some hypothetical assailant?
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
1983, 1985, 1986... Not as many people, of course... but, shooting is shooting.
When I was a freshman, a student a floor below me shot our counselor with a shotgun after he caught him using drugs. I didn't hear the shot, but found out about it on the news when I noticed SWAT teams swarming the outside of the building. It was kind of scary running out of the building and not knowing where the kid was. After 5 hours, they discovered the kid had went back to his room and blown his head off.
Don't know if there was a point to that story ... just trying to think back when the simpler times ended.
It used to be shocking that there would be metal detectors in schools... it is now so common place, we think nothing of it.
...
Also... America dodged a bullet (so to speak) when those two North Hollywood gunmen were only bank robbers and not psycho Columbine type mass murderers.
Hail, Hail!!!
I remember the parents of one of the robbers suing because the cops let him bleed out. :fp:
That was insane. I couldnt believe what I was seeing when that was on TV.
The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?[/quote]
see that is exactly the point. each right does have restrictions so why can't we restrict the amount of guns that people can buy and why can't we restrict the type of guns that people buy.
if as people suggest guns are for protection why then does a person need to have more than 1 gun? why does my uncle have over 50 guns?
Because I'm not going to go bird hunting with a Glock 9
50 guns though? That's pretty crazy. No matter what you do with guns, there is no need for that. That's 50 guns that could be stolen/sold sometime during their lifespan and move into the illegal trade .... The hunting argument rubs me the wrong way in any case - hunting for entertainment (i.e. even if you eat it after but actually do it for fun and can afford the grocery store) sucks. I hate it. But that's just me.
I suppose it all depends.
I mean, I can see having vintage Kentucky Long Rifles or old WWII M-1s and stuff with historical significance... along with hunting rifles and home protection fire arms.
But, if it is 50 AR-15, AK-47, Street Sweeper 12 gages and the likes... I'd be kind of concerned.
Hail, Hail!!!
http://video.foxnews.com/v/176842278800 ... t_id=87937
my mom is the same age and has a ccw.
I approve this message.
It may be funny..
Not going to subtract from how dangerous shotguns can be, either... I was bird hunting on the edge of a game farm one time... picking up any birds that hunters at the game farm didn't get... long story short, bb's were raining down around me.
50 guns is a lot, a lot of money and passion are usually put into that... it's no big deal to me, as long as they were acquired legally. Some collect coins, documents, artifacts, etc. and others collect guns.
I understand your views on hunting and, obviously, others share that.... that's fine.
but I think you knew that...
I am basically saying if a person chooses to own a gun or 2000 guns
and does so legally and responsibly within the law, I have no problem with that.
What I have a problem with is people,
who because they don't like guns, they think they should be able to tell others
they can not own one responsibly.
The replies I have gotten here from some, when they find out I do not own a gun personally,
is all telling. They are oblivious to the fact that it is even possible
for a person to believe in the rights of others.
I do not have to have people be like me to like them, support them, to understand them
and their needs. I do not question the fact that some people want and need a gun
for protection. I do not look down on those who hunt, legally. Would I hunt? no.
I do not chastise those who like to collect, display and otherwise enjoy owning guns.
Nor insult target shooters by saying they are practicing to kill :wtf:
Gun sales are skyrocketing because people know they need to protect themselves.
What is also skyrocketing are those enrolling in safety classes because it is the
responsible that now see it is prudent and responsible to have a gun of their own.
for me ,from the moment u have this,then must be a law that has a limit of what type of guns u could buy,take-run test from doctors,if your mind is ok,your vision,and take lessons,how to use,how it works,what means your life is in danger,go every month mandatory for shoting practice.
when u want a drive license u do all this paperwork,pass exams,for renew the same,
its crazy u need to pass exams again from doc etc for can drive when u are 80 years old..
but u can have a bazooka with noone care if u have alzheimer and u can shoot your son,cos you forget him and you found him inside your house..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
That's where you are wrong and keep on repeating this falsehood. :fp: What people are after are tighter controls. No one mentioned banning guns outright.
but I think you knew that....
if they could have it their way
go back and read in all the threads, there are definitely some in favor of banning
we have laws ... enforce them!
It is quite obvious that current laws in the US are not sufficient, even if they were to be enforced to the letter. Anyone can see that. Whether one wants to do something about it or not, that's another question.
Do you think they are being enforced to the letter?
Why do you think more laws would help?
What kind of laws would help?
What do you feel is the most contributing factor to gun violence
legal or otherwise?
In this thread there are some wanting to ban all guns to the public.
Apart from your first question, all the answers are in this thread if one cares to read properly. Again, if one cared to read properly, no one mentioned outright ban.
And, though I do not need to justify myself to anyone, as the laws do vary from state to state, it would be very presumptuous on my part to say that I know ALL the gun laws from ALL the states. But I do know as much as most would know from a nationwide and 'own state' point of view.
Stricter controls Dimi... that's what is needed!
always leaving, that's ok though I get it and honor your wishes.
Perhaps not engage at all then, that would be along the posting guidelines,
I would also honor your wish with that.
are not our problem with gun violence...
the gun violence that happens 24 / 7 / 365 days a year will not be stopped
with stricter laws.
The rare random acts can be addressed without stricter control, as in the most recent case.
So many warning signs could have been acted on so this mentally ill man could not carry through
what he deemed his purpose.
Enforce the laws we have and educate the public on safety. Also arming responsible
citizens, as many are choosing to do, will help as in the case of Miss Ruby ...
two down how many to go?
Fight fire with fire is what some people are choosing to do and it is working.
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
I think that should answer your question...
"I find it odd that people worry about their BOOKS being taken away and then basically boast on a public forum about having them . Interesting."
This is a confusing statement yes?
I'm not sure I heard anyone boost? :?
read the stories of those who live because of them.
Do this before you dismiss the heroes just because you don't like guns.
If you don't like guns don't own one.