I suppose, all of those people in Aurora were weak, untrained cowards because there was not one Hero who rushed towards him and stopped him. I guess, that means they deserved to be victims, when their time came.
Yep! Including the three gentlemen who died while shielding their girlfriends.
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Yup... those cowards should have been more like Bruce Willis in 'Die Hard'... or Clint Eastwood in 'Dirty Harry'. You know, rush the guy and tackle him, fight him off (even though he is using karate on them) and finally, disarming him and tossing him into a suddenly erupting volcano.
But, no... they chose the coward's way and tossed their bodies over their terrified girlfriends, like pathetic, un-prepared, untrained cowards.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Being able to shoot, being 'trained', etc. is absolutely no guarantee of being able to defend one's self or protect another or take action in 'emergencies'. It has been proven many times over and mentioned in these threads more times than I wish to remember (this also goes for those taking self defense classes such as martial arts, etc.). It is rare that those with 'casual' training (ie the responsible, law abiding citizen with a gun who had a shot or two at a fixed target at the range) will be able to 'pull himself/herself' together and act as they thought they would (ie shoot the bastard that's trying to rob them, or whatever..). Even for highly tuned soldiers (for example), it's not easy.
Too back catwoman is already taken comebackgirl....
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Again... I point out that John Hinkley was able to get 6 rounds off and hit 4 people in a situation where several well trained Secret Service agents, uniformed and plain clothed officers were on alerted status because they we escorting the President of The United States.
This whole, Hero Complex is all fabricated in the mind and imagery of Hollywood and very, very rarely exists in the real world.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Regardless of which side of the gun control debate you're on, victim blaming really has no place. It's poor form, irrelevant and could not be a truer example of a lack of empathy.
Sad state of affairs, blaming the victim.
It really is. I understand that by blaming the victim, people distance themselves from victimization and build a false belief that they will be safe and that these horrors won't happen to them. We probably all do it to a certain extent. Sometimes I'll hear about a fatal car accident at a bad intersection and think "well, I never drive that route," or "I would never drive that fast." Then I realize how ridiculous my thinking is because a car accident can happen anywhere and I can die no matter how much driving experience I've had or how safe and prepared I am on the road. My area of focus is on trauma, so I've worked with people who have survived all types of horrors. Some of them are cops, some military, some just average people. They've all been victimized in some manner, despite the preparation and training some of them have had. Not a one of them is stupid or to blame for what happened.
This line of thought is just ludicrous and just so damaging and destructive. Truly hurtful words.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Regardless of which side of the gun control debate you're on, victim blaming really has no place. It's poor form, irrelevant and could not be a truer example of a lack of empathy.
Sad state of affairs, blaming the victim.
Being able to shoot, being 'trained', etc. is absolutely no guarantee of being able to defend one's self or protect another or take action in 'emergencies'. It has been proven many times over and mentioned in these threads more times than I wish to remember (this also goes for those taking self defense classes such as martial arts, etc.). It is rare that those with 'casual' training (ie the responsible, law abiding citizen with a gun who had a shot or two at a fixed target at the range) will be able to 'pull himself/herself' together and act as they thought they would (ie shoot the bastard that's trying to rob them, or whatever..). Even for highly tuned soldiers (for example), it's not easy.
Too bad catwoman is already taken comebackgirl....
Just saw the rest of your post. Maybe catwoman needs a sidekick!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
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Again... I point out that John Hinkley was able to get 6 rounds off and hit 4 people in a situation where several well trained Secret Service agents, uniformed and plain clothed officers were on alerted status because they we escorting the President of The United States.
This whole, Hero Complex is all fabricated in the mind and imagery of Hollywood and very, very rarely exists in the real world.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
1. That depends if the person has been deemed a danger to people or not. If he/she has mental illness, but is not dangerous, I have no problem with it.
2. No, I believe that you should be 18 to buy weapons and ammunition. I guess I'm also okay with 21 for handguns.
Some people are just stronger than others, braver, it is in their make up to take control
of situations, to be prepared, trained. We see these folks, we are thankful when they are there,
with a gun or without.
In the world of sheep these stand out. They will protect their neighbors and even
a stranger when needed, risking their own lives because they know this is the
right thing to do.
Others know they must be able to protect themselves and their loved ones if the
need arises. They are aware of the very personal dangers or circumstances they live in
and are prepared as they see fit.
Then there are some who are unprepared, untrained and weak ...
with a gun or without, they will be a victim when the time comes,
a victim of their own stupidity or of someone else's.
:fp:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
For arguments sake, lets say there are 100 million guns in the USA.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
For arguments sake, lets say there are 100 million guns in the USA.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
There are over 300 million guns in the US.
I'd crap my pants in any of those situations. Of course I'm an unprepared victim of my own stupidity. :fp:
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This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
1. That depends if the person has been deemed a danger to people or not. If he/she has mental illness, but is not dangerous, I have no problem with it.
2. No, I believe that you should be 18 to buy weapons and ammunition. I guess I'm also okay with 21 for handguns.
then i asked what yoru definition of a "right" is.
For arguments sake, lets say there are 100 million guns in the USA.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
I remember asking before how many people who advocate for gun ownership have been shot at before. if i remember correctly only 1 person answer that question.
For arguments sake, lets say there are 100 million guns in the USA.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
There are over 300 million guns in the US.
I'd crap my pants in any of those situations. Of course I'm an unprepared victim of my own stupidity.
300 million?!?! Geesh. You'd think it was a requirement at some point.
And yes, I dont know how I was able to contain my bowels...if ever there were times where I should poo my shorts, this was it...it was scary shit. I was actual more scared at the accidental shotgun discharge than the robbery. I had a chance to grab the guys arm during the robbery, but I imagined what could've happened if the gun went off and hit one of my two friends who were with me...or if the second guy had a gun or not, I coudlnt tell. There was no choice, so all I could do was stay calm.
When that shotgun went off though, it was so loud I couldnt hear out of one ear for several days. And I somehow physically ran/walked into a nearby bedroom and crouched down for some odd reason. There were bits of the ceiling in my hair from the blast hitting the ceiling above me. it was so shocking, I honestly dont recall the few seconds it took me to run/walk or whatever into that bedroom. I was just amazed I was alive. The preson who had it the worst though was my friend who was assembling the gun. He is a very responsible and very good person who made a stupid mistake. (again, he later became a cop too) He had nightmares for months about telling my Mother that he shot me in the face.
Needless to say, when I see a gun at a friends house or anywhere, I up and leave immediately, no matter what.
For arguments sake, lets say there are 100 million guns in the USA.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
There are over 300 million guns in the US.
I'd crap my pants in any of those situations. Of course I'm an unprepared victim of my own stupidity.
300 million?!?! Geesh. You'd think it was a requirement at some point.
And yes, I dont know how I was able to contain my bowels...if ever there were times where I should poo my shorts, this was it...it was scary shit. I was actual more scared at the accidental shotgun discharge than the robbery. I had a chance to grab the guys arm during the robbery, but I imagined what could've happened if the gun went off and hit one of my two friends who were with me...or if the second guy had a gun or not, I coudlnt tell. There was no choice, so all I could do was stay calm.
When that shotgun went off though, it was so loud I couldnt hear out of one ear for several days. And I somehow physically ran/walked into a nearby bedroom and crouched down for some odd reason. There were bits of the ceiling in my hair from the blast hitting the ceiling above me. it was so shocking, I honestly dont recall the few seconds it took me to run/walk or whatever into that bedroom. I was just amazed I was alive. The preson who had it the worst though was my friend who was assembling the gun. He is a very responsible and very good person who made a stupid mistake. (again, he later became a cop too) He had nightmares for months about telling my Mother that he shot me in the face.
Needless to say, when I see a gun at a friends house or anywhere, I up and leave immediately, no matter what.
I'm with you. I've seen responsible people do stupid shit with guns when drinking. I'd rather not be around to be a statistic.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
1. That depends if the person has been deemed a danger to people or not. If he/she has mental illness, but is not dangerous, I have no problem with it.
The issue with this though is that mental health is not static. Someone with a mental illness may be deemed a danger to themselves or others when psychotic, manic, deeply depressed, etc., but at other times they are no more a danger than anyone else. Psychotic and manic episodes may be fairly brief and they sometimes come on very quickly. So I think this would require a lot of monitoring.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
Someone with mental illness voting doesn't pose any danger to anyone. Not the same thing. All thing need to be examined within their specific context.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
Well, I guess folks in my area didn't care back when I was a kid. I used to buy .22 and shotgun shells all the time.
Yes, I'm not sure when the law changed or when it was put in. I'm sure people still don't care in places.
I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :fp:
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I posted these question in another tread but will ask here again.
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
Is voting a right?
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
can a woodchuck chuck wood if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?
I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :fp:
That was my beef when I signed my draft papers! I can go kill dudes but not walk into a bar and order a High Life?
I just find it hilarious that people in the states can vote, get married, fight wars, and buy guns when they are 18, but can't legally drink a beer until they're 21. :fp:
That was my beef when I signed my draft papers! I can go kill dudes but not walk into a bar and order a High Life?
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Yup... those cowards should have been more like Bruce Willis in 'Die Hard'... or Clint Eastwood in 'Dirty Harry'. You know, rush the guy and tackle him, fight him off (even though he is using karate on them) and finally, disarming him and tossing him into a suddenly erupting volcano.
But, no... they chose the coward's way and tossed their bodies over their terrified girlfriends, like pathetic, un-prepared, untrained cowards.
Hail, Hail!!!
Again... I point out that John Hinkley was able to get 6 rounds off and hit 4 people in a situation where several well trained Secret Service agents, uniformed and plain clothed officers were on alerted status because they we escorting the President of The United States.
This whole, Hero Complex is all fabricated in the mind and imagery of Hollywood and very, very rarely exists in the real world.
Hail, Hail!!!
This line of thought is just ludicrous and just so damaging and destructive. Truly hurtful words.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
you reminded me of this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivVnVhYx ... re=related
1) if owing a gun is a right, should people with mental health be able to buy guns? if not why not?
2) would anyone here complain if a 16 year old wanted to buy a gun but was not allowed to? if not why not?
I want to hear from the people who believe that gun ownership is a right.
1. That depends if the person has been deemed a danger to people or not. If he/she has mental illness, but is not dangerous, I have no problem with it.
2. No, I believe that you should be 18 to buy weapons and ammunition. I guess I'm also okay with 21 for handguns.
If for every 100 guns, I'd be willing to bet there are about 2 scenarios similar to the Ms.Ruby story.
And i'd be willing to bet there are 10 scenarios like Hannah Kelley, who was accidentally shot in church, or other children who are victims of accidents.
So playing the percentages, which is better again? :?
I've had guns pointed at me twice. Once I had the barrel pressed up to my forehead as they demanded my wallet. I've had several other friends have guns pointed at them, and they are ALL still alive and did not fight back, or couldnt fight back without risk, or adding more violence to the equation.
And the closest I've come to being shot? That was an accidental shotgun blast that barely missed my head from a friend who later became a police officer. :lolno: I can laugh about it now...I'm glad to be here.
There are over 300 million guns in the US.
I'd crap my pants in any of those situations. Of course I'm an unprepared victim of my own stupidity. :fp:
then i asked what yoru definition of a "right" is.
I remember asking before how many people who advocate for gun ownership have been shot at before. if i remember correctly only 1 person answer that question.
300 million?!?! Geesh. You'd think it was a requirement at some point.
And yes, I dont know how I was able to contain my bowels...if ever there were times where I should poo my shorts, this was it...it was scary shit. I was actual more scared at the accidental shotgun discharge than the robbery. I had a chance to grab the guys arm during the robbery, but I imagined what could've happened if the gun went off and hit one of my two friends who were with me...or if the second guy had a gun or not, I coudlnt tell. There was no choice, so all I could do was stay calm.
When that shotgun went off though, it was so loud I couldnt hear out of one ear for several days. And I somehow physically ran/walked into a nearby bedroom and crouched down for some odd reason. There were bits of the ceiling in my hair from the blast hitting the ceiling above me. it was so shocking, I honestly dont recall the few seconds it took me to run/walk or whatever into that bedroom. I was just amazed I was alive. The preson who had it the worst though was my friend who was assembling the gun. He is a very responsible and very good person who made a stupid mistake. (again, he later became a cop too) He had nightmares for months about telling my Mother that he shot me in the face.
Needless to say, when I see a gun at a friends house or anywhere, I up and leave immediately, no matter what.
I'm with you. I've seen responsible people do stupid shit with guns when drinking. I'd rather not be around to be a statistic.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
I guess the same questions should be asked in that regard also.
Federal Law: 18 for long gun, 21 for handgun
can a non-us citizen living in the usa vote?
No
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yes, I'm not sure when the law changed or when it was put in. I'm sure people still don't care in places.
The point is that each right has restrictions. Do you propose adding legislation that only US citizens can purchase guns?
What about the "Going Postal" incidents?
:fp:
Same here