We have that everywhere and even in most of the threads here. Speculation a natural bi product
of life experiences as are our opinions. She was put on the radio to speculate. Most comments
here on this thread are judgmental speculation.
I'm certainly not alone in thinking he has a mental illness... turn the TV/ radio on,
I'm addressing the fact if help was more readily available this could have been avoided.
Well as I said earlier there is a danger in presenting opinions as facts. Of course it makes sense to try to understand why this happened and make sense of it. That's a very human thing to do. What is dangerous is to state that someone is mentally ill when there is not any evidence to support that at this time. I'm sure help was readily available to him. He's probably one of the lucky ones in that regard. Most students can use the school counseling center free of charge. Whether or not they are willing to do it is a whole other ball game.
I know you know mental illness but have you dealt with a cracked mind...
a full blown out of reality episode? Cause this sounds like you are talking depression
or mood disorder.
Again did we learn anything from Loughner? He was an undiagnosed schizophrenic
who plotted and carried out a mass killing. Witnesses said he behaved just as this
guy did, as did the VA Tech killer, detached, emotionless, zombie like.
Just going through the motions emotionless.
I guess if it is dangerous to speculate about him then somebody should tell
the experts on TV and radio. cause boy are they talking mental illness.
Often, the people on TV aren't experts. An expert, at this point, would say it's too soon to draw a conclusion. What producer is going to put that person on TV? They want a dramatic sound bite that is under 60 seconds.
All of this speculation about, "He was menatlly this... or he should have done that..." is meaningless.
All that matters in 12 people are dead and several others are clinging to life becuase of THIS Man.
He has to be held responsible for what he did... even if it was his alter ego or some voice in his head. He didn't flip the switch and go berzerk... over a long period of time, he amassed a stockpile of weapons he could transport and use on people.
No one really gives a shit about someone's bullshit/baseless speculation that CANNOT be applied to this CRIMINAL. We just want him out of our free society.
What might come out of the speculation and any conclusions that can be drawn from his mental state down the road, after information is gathered, is helpful to people who want to prevent this happening in the future. These people might be in the mental health field, criminal justice field, or both. It's also natural for people to want to make some sense of such extreme behavior.
All of this speculation about, "He was menatlly this... or he should have done that..." is meaningless.
All that matters in 12 people are dead and several others are clinging to life becuase of THIS Man.
He has to be held responsible for what he did... even if it was his alter ego or some voice in his head. He didn't flip the switch and go berzerk... over a long period of time, he amassed a stockpile of weapons he could transport and use on people.
No one really gives a shit about someone's bullshit/baseless speculation that CANNOT be applied to this CRIMINAL. We just want him out of our free society.
What might come out of the speculation and any conclusions that can be drawn from his mental state down the road, after information is gathered, is helpful to people who want to prevent this happening in the future. These people might be in the mental health field, criminal justice field, or both. It's also natural for people to want to make some sense of such extreme behavior.
...
That was sort of my point. It is meaningless for everyday people to try to isert some sort of wisdom by applying some past experience or relationship to this specific case. That baseless speculation is just that... baseless, i.e., bullshit.
There are people out there who do this stuff for a living. Professionals with knowledge, understanding and factual knowledge to sort this out... over time and through scientific research of the subject to come to couclusions... which vastly differ from wild, unfounded speculation.
The facts that we know... at this specific time is this... 12 dead... and counting. Don't give this fucking asshole any other title than 'Mass Murderer'.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
0
unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
For those that think people would not be able to react should there have been people allowed to carry concealed but were not allowed to due to company policy; there was another shooting earlier in the year in Aurora.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the (church member, an off-duty police officer) had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”
For those that think people would not be able to react should there have been people allowed to carry concealed but were not allowed to due to company policy; there was another shooting earlier in the year in Aurora.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the (church member, an off-duty police officer) had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”
But it was a police officer:.
I personally think that if there were a bunch of people with concealed weapons I there it could have turned into a good 'ol fashioned shoot out... NOT something you want in a crowded confined space where the only guy who you want dead is wearing g full body armour and is carrying a semi automatic assault rifle!
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
0
g under p
Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
For those that think people would not be able to react should there have been people allowed to carry concealed but were not allowed to due to company policy; there was another shooting earlier in the year in Aurora.
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the (church member, an off-duty police officer) had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”
It's one thing to react in a church at 3pm, however it's a whole other story to react in a dark movie theatre with tear gas smoke billowing, people running about in terror all while the movie is STILL playing loudly. That to me is utter chaos to get a good shot a shooter in full SWAT gear. Easier said than done.
You appear to be a good shot so have at it.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
0
unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
yeah, nothing wrong with gun laws in this country...
In the NRA’s view of the world, Ian Stawicki was a law-abiding citizen with the right to carry a loaded gun in any neighborhood of his choosing.
Until he shot four people to death in a Seattle café and then grabbed a mom and shot her in the head near her children’s school, Washington State’s NRA-style gun carry law meant that police had no choice but to issue Stawicki a license to carry a loaded, hidden handgun. Police were not allowed to consider his long history of violence and mental illness – dangerous gun laws forced them to let him be armed and dangerous.
Stawicki’s father said he wanted his son’s concealed carry license revoked due to his son’s long history of mental illness and violence but “The response to us was, there’s nothing we can do,” because the law mandated that he could be armed. Washington State’s dangerous gun laws require police to allow public gun carrying by anyone who simply pays their fee and passes a quick background check.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
0
g under p
Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
yeah, nothing wrong with gun laws in this country...
In the NRA’s view of the world, Ian Stawicki was a law-abiding citizen with the right to carry a loaded gun in any neighborhood of his choosing.
Until he shot four people to death in a Seattle café and then grabbed a mom and shot her in the head near her children’s school, Washington State’s NRA-style gun carry law meant that police had no choice but to issue Stawicki a license to carry a loaded, hidden handgun. Police were not allowed to consider his long history of violence and mental illness – dangerous gun laws forced them to let him be armed and dangerous.
Stawicki’s father said he wanted his son’s concealed carry license revoked due to his son’s long history of mental illness and violence but “The response to us was, there’s nothing we can do,” because the law mandated that he could be armed. Washington State’s dangerous gun laws require police to allow public gun carrying by anyone who simply pays their fee and passes a quick background check.
This why in our country in a few months this tragic scene will be forgotten.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
People get the facts, but there are more to the facts than what meets the eye. What is it like to ignore common sense? You know... good old common sense. Like, for example, if there were less guns, there would be less gun violence. At a very minimum, there would be fewer accidental deaths where kids shoot other kids (the 4-5 year old variety). No?
You never bothered to address the very strong counter-point made (by a few people) to your assertion that tough gun laws have done nothing to curb the gun-based violence in Chicago.
The point was... how can these gun laws have their desired effect when, as easy as pie, the people that want them can go across a state line or two and own the weapon of their choice (with a bunch of really cheap ammunition as well)? If the entire country was regulated, access would be more difficult. It just wouldn't be as easy for some idiot to go, "Shit. I'm feeling crappy. Gonna go buy a bunch of guns and shoot a bunch of people."
All of this speculation about, "He was menatlly this... or he should have done that..." is meaningless.
All that matters in 12 people are dead and several others are clinging to life becuase of THIS Man.
He has to be held responsible for what he did... even if it was his alter ego or some voice in his head. He didn't flip the switch and go berzerk... over a long period of time, he amassed a stockpile of weapons he could transport and use on people.
No one really gives a shit about someone's bullshit/baseless speculation that CANNOT be applied to this CRIMINAL. We just want him out of our free society.
yeah, nothing wrong with gun laws in this country...
In the NRA’s view of the world, Ian Stawicki was a law-abiding citizen with the right to carry a loaded gun in any neighborhood of his choosing.
Until he shot four people to death in a Seattle café and then grabbed a mom and shot her in the head near her children’s school, Washington State’s NRA-style gun carry law meant that police had no choice but to issue Stawicki a license to carry a loaded, hidden handgun. Police were not allowed to consider his long history of violence and mental illness – dangerous gun laws forced them to let him be armed and dangerous.
Stawicki’s father said he wanted his son’s concealed carry license revoked due to his son’s long history of mental illness and violence but “The response to us was, there’s nothing we can do,” because the law mandated that he could be armed. Washington State’s dangerous gun laws require police to allow public gun carrying by anyone who simply pays their fee and passes a quick background check.
What is dangerous is to state that someone is mentally ill when there is not any evidence to support that at this time.
He dyed his hair red, calls himself the joker and shot up a batman movie showing in a theater=mental illness
or he planned his defense in advance. If he really thought he was the joker he wouldnt have turned up in full combat gear and he would have painted his face!
and perhaps worn a nurse's uniform.
hear my name
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
...
So... wait... your solution to this tragedy would have been to put more bullets in the air of a dark movie theater that had a gas canister ignited in it and terror stricken men, women and children running across the rows and up the aisles?
Really? That's your solution???
Because i would think that more bullets in the air would result in more bullets in the the bodies of people. Unless, of course, all of the good bullets in the air only went into the body of the bad man... who happened to be wearing body armor.
Silly me.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Why would anyone think someone in a full blown episode, a break from reality,
a schizophrenic seek help at a school counseling center.
Really?
The wouldn't, they couldn't even.
Just like Loughner ... the illness manifests as a purpose.
He will be brain tested ... hollow mask anyone
I'm pretty sure someone who had a break from reality and woke up surrounded by guns and bombs might seek some form of assistance! I've never heard of someone having a 6 month long break from reality, although i will stand corrected by the experts.
Exactly. That's why I don't think he is schizophrenic. There was too much planning involved for too long for that kind of thing. I don't think this was a break from reality. I don't know what it was about though. I don't know that he is even mentally I'll. There are LOTS of cases where mass killers weren't.S maybe he is sick and maybe he isn't.Either way, I think that his actions seem to demonstrate that he knew what he was dong was wrong and evil, yet he chose to do it anyway for whatever reason, crazy or not. But in the end no one knows yet. The guy has apparently not said one word to police or anyone else except MAYBE his lawyer. That is another reason to guess that he's not broken from reality though. Those who are would normally talk after the deed. Not clam up completely.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
0
unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
...
So... wait... your solution to this tragedy would have been to put more bullets in the air of a dark movie theater that had a gas canister ignited in it and terror stricken men, women and children running across the rows and up the aisles?
Really? That's your solution???
Because i would think that more bullets in the air would result in more bullets in the the bodies of people. Unless, of course, all of the good bullets in the air only went into the body of the bad man... who happened to be wearing body armor.
Silly me.
Cosmo, first of all do you honestly think that this guy would have tried to commit this if he knew that people were encouraged to concealed carry in the theatre? I'm guessing he would have thought better of it. Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?
And if you think for one second that wearing all of those clothes would cause bullets to just bounce of off him like Superman, well, I think you are smarter than that.
0
unsung
I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
yeah, nothing wrong with gun laws in this country...
In the NRA’s view of the world, Ian Stawicki was a law-abiding citizen with the right to carry a loaded gun in any neighborhood of his choosing.
Until he shot four people to death in a Seattle café and then grabbed a mom and shot her in the head near her children’s school, Washington State’s NRA-style gun carry law meant that police had no choice but to issue Stawicki a license to carry a loaded, hidden handgun. Police were not allowed to consider his long history of violence and mental illness – dangerous gun laws forced them to let him be armed and dangerous.
Stawicki’s father said he wanted his son’s concealed carry license revoked due to his son’s long history of mental illness and violence but “The response to us was, there’s nothing we can do,” because the law mandated that he could be armed. Washington State’s dangerous gun laws require police to allow public gun carrying by anyone who simply pays their fee and passes a quick background check.
Nope, there is a problem there. But I've also asked who defines what mental illnesses would disqualify someone from owning a firearm? The politicians? No thanks. Are you good with a soldier serving for two tours in Iraq/Afghanistan getting shot at on a near daily basis, having IEDs blowing his buddies to bits, and then finally coming back to his family only to find he can't own a gun as a citizen because someone says he has PTSD? Because I'm not, and that is being discussed by those that think they are smarter than all of us.
Cosmo, first of all do you honestly think that this guy would have tried to commit this if he knew that people were encouraged to concealed carry in the theatre? I'm guessing he would have thought better of it. Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?
And if you think for one second that wearing all of those clothes would cause bullets to just bounce of off him like Superman, well, I think you are smarter than that.
...
Sorry.. and please, don't take this wrong... because I know you are a smart guy... but, that really sounded like something that would have come out of Sarah Palin's mouth... not Ron Paul's. It really did.
...
I mean, you know this guy was fucking nuts, right? At the same time, he was fucking smart. Maybe... he would have devised a plan to consider those concealed weapons... maybe bought a conversion kit for his AR-15 (from a Good Samaritan at the Gun Show)... and brought more than one gas canister. Uparmoured his vest to military grade... really studied kill zones and firing patterns... shut down the exits by spraying them with fire to send peole back towards the seats. He wasn't a 'Call Of Duty' dumb fuck... he was a PhD candidate and was planning this for a while.
You CAN'T be serious in thinking that having more guns creating deadly cross fire in that small, confined area with tear gas in the air would have saved lives, instead of creating more casualties. Right?
...
And yeah... working closely with military folks, I understand how fucking GREAT Kevlar works. Ever see those guys from that North Hollywood bank heist? Yeah... cop bullets were bouncing off of them like they were Superman. Your solution would work if average citizens were prepared for this type of attack. That means they would have to bring long guns to movie houses. How does THAT promote 'Family Night Out'?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.
Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.
...
So... wait... your solution to this tragedy would have been to put more bullets in the air of a dark movie theater that had a gas canister ignited in it and terror stricken men, women and children running across the rows and up the aisles?
Really? That's your solution???
Because i would think that more bullets in the air would result in more bullets in the the bodies of people. Unless, of course, all of the good bullets in the air only went into the body of the bad man... who happened to be wearing body armor.
Silly me.
Cosmo, first of all do you honestly think that this guy would have tried to commit this if he knew that people were encouraged to concealed carry in the theatre? I'm guessing he would have thought better of it. Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?
And if you think for one second that wearing all of those clothes would cause bullets to just bounce of off him like Superman, well, I think you are smarter than that.
I'm pretty sure if you decide to shoot a bunch of people, chances are you are going to shorten your own lifespan and you probably aren't too worried about it.. Bet this guy could have taken a dozen out at a gun show if he really wanted to.. Probably could have taken a few bullets and still killed a few folks. Gun shows aren't as convenient as movie theaters though.
oh and kudos to AMc for now banning costumes... thatll surely fix the problem. :roll: idiots.
so costumes aren't allowed, but guns are? :think:
unreal...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.
Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.
Well said.
Gun ownership isn't an issue; responsible gun ownership with reasonable limits on the other hand is a serious issue in the US. As far as I can tell, no individual needs that kind of firepower to protect themselves. This extreme paranoia over the state oppressing gun owners is absolutely ridiculous. Most free and democratically elected governments allow for gun ownership with some reasonable restrictions.
Why is a ban on assault rifles like the one used by this shooter so strongly opposed? I have never heard of a person defending themselves with such a weapon.
Why would anyone think someone in a full blown episode, a break from reality,
a schizophrenic seek help at a school counseling center.
Really?
The wouldn't, they couldn't even.
Just like Loughner ... the illness manifests as a purpose.
He will be brain tested ... hollow mask anyone
I'm pretty sure someone who had a break from reality and woke up surrounded by guns and bombs might seek some form of assistance! I've never heard of someone having a 6 month long break from reality, although i will stand corrected by the experts.
Exactly. That's why I don't think he is schizophrenic. There was too much planning involved for too long for that kind of thing. I don't think this was a break from reality. I don't know what it was about though. I don't know that he is even mentally I'll. There are LOTS of cases where mass killers weren't.S maybe he is sick and maybe he isn't.Either way, I think that his actions seem to demonstrate that he knew what he was dong was wrong and evil, yet he chose to do it anyway for whatever reason, crazy or not. But in the end no one knows yet. The guy has apparently not said one word to police or anyone else except MAYBE his lawyer. That is another reason to guess that he's not broken from reality though. Those who are would normally talk after the deed. Not clam up completely.
What about this guy committing an eerily similar crime, very recently.
you are using a logical mind, can you walk through a schizophrenics mind?
As I mentioned the disease presents and manifest in young people as a purpose.
What is your purpose in life?
Certainly a logical mind with a grasp on reality every moment of everyday
has a very different answer than a young man who is mentally ill.
Recently so,schizophrenia first presenting in this age group.
He did not kill himself, he did not try to flee, he waited around for police,
he told them of the booby traps saving lives. Why? This not a logical thing to do
after a vengeful killing spree with logical motive.
I watched him yesterday, speculation again, I have seen this, he has spent
the last 3 days asleep in the fetal position and has pictures snapping through his head.
As though a movie itself. As though he was part of this movie. A very important part.
Not condoning, just coming from a place of empathy if indeed he will be found
to be diseased. And if so should get mental health treatment and be imprisoned for life,
in my opinion.
there is no way "we" here in the forum to play the doctors and do diagnose from our home about this guy mind...
no opinion has any value at this matter..with i heard,i know,i read ,cant have an opinion about if he has mental pro or not
there are specialist for this job that court probably will order to do it..
attorneys will play their roles and etc..
..no matter if he has mental pro,or he just like to shoot people and he is a cold murderer
one thing is for sure..he cant never ,ever again must be a free man in the streets..
he is dangerous,and im pretty sure the authorities there at USA,will do the right thing..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Comments
Often, the people on TV aren't experts. An expert, at this point, would say it's too soon to draw a conclusion. What producer is going to put that person on TV? They want a dramatic sound bite that is under 60 seconds.
That was sort of my point. It is meaningless for everyday people to try to isert some sort of wisdom by applying some past experience or relationship to this specific case. That baseless speculation is just that... baseless, i.e., bullshit.
There are people out there who do this stuff for a living. Professionals with knowledge, understanding and factual knowledge to sort this out... over time and through scientific research of the subject to come to couclusions... which vastly differ from wild, unfounded speculation.
The facts that we know... at this specific time is this... 12 dead... and counting. Don't give this fucking asshole any other title than 'Mass Murderer'.
Hail, Hail!!!
Aurora police spokesman Frank Fania asked rhetorically: “Who knows what would’ve happened if the (church member, an off-duty police officer) had not been there? It certainly could have been a lot worse.”
http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/ ... er-ignored
Concealed Carry works; "gun-free" zones do not.
I personally think that if there were a bunch of people with concealed weapons I there it could have turned into a good 'ol fashioned shoot out... NOT something you want in a crowded confined space where the only guy who you want dead is wearing g full body armour and is carrying a semi automatic assault rifle!
It's one thing to react in a church at 3pm, however it's a whole other story to react in a dark movie theatre with tear gas smoke billowing, people running about in terror all while the movie is STILL playing loudly. That to me is utter chaos to get a good shot a shooter in full SWAT gear. Easier said than done.
You appear to be a good shot so have at it.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Gun-free zones only benefit murderers.
In the NRA’s view of the world, Ian Stawicki was a law-abiding citizen with the right to carry a loaded gun in any neighborhood of his choosing.
Until he shot four people to death in a Seattle café and then grabbed a mom and shot her in the head near her children’s school, Washington State’s NRA-style gun carry law meant that police had no choice but to issue Stawicki a license to carry a loaded, hidden handgun. Police were not allowed to consider his long history of violence and mental illness – dangerous gun laws forced them to let him be armed and dangerous.
Stawicki’s father said he wanted his son’s concealed carry license revoked due to his son’s long history of mental illness and violence but “The response to us was, there’s nothing we can do,” because the law mandated that he could be armed. Washington State’s dangerous gun laws require police to allow public gun carrying by anyone who simply pays their fee and passes a quick background check.
This why in our country in a few months this tragic scene will be forgotten.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
People get the facts, but there are more to the facts than what meets the eye. What is it like to ignore common sense? You know... good old common sense. Like, for example, if there were less guns, there would be less gun violence. At a very minimum, there would be fewer accidental deaths where kids shoot other kids (the 4-5 year old variety). No?
You never bothered to address the very strong counter-point made (by a few people) to your assertion that tough gun laws have done nothing to curb the gun-based violence in Chicago.
The point was... how can these gun laws have their desired effect when, as easy as pie, the people that want them can go across a state line or two and own the weapon of their choice (with a bunch of really cheap ammunition as well)? If the entire country was regulated, access would be more difficult. It just wouldn't be as easy for some idiot to go, "Shit. I'm feeling crappy. Gonna go buy a bunch of guns and shoot a bunch of people."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Scary as hell. Really scary.
and perhaps worn a nurse's uniform.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
not if the cinema is a gun free zone.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
So... wait... your solution to this tragedy would have been to put more bullets in the air of a dark movie theater that had a gas canister ignited in it and terror stricken men, women and children running across the rows and up the aisles?
Really? That's your solution???
Because i would think that more bullets in the air would result in more bullets in the the bodies of people. Unless, of course, all of the good bullets in the air only went into the body of the bad man... who happened to be wearing body armor.
Silly me.
Hail, Hail!!!
Cosmo, first of all do you honestly think that this guy would have tried to commit this if he knew that people were encouraged to concealed carry in the theatre? I'm guessing he would have thought better of it. Ever hear of a mass shooting at a gun show?
And if you think for one second that wearing all of those clothes would cause bullets to just bounce of off him like Superman, well, I think you are smarter than that.
What are all of the Harry Potter fans going to do???
Nope, there is a problem there. But I've also asked who defines what mental illnesses would disqualify someone from owning a firearm? The politicians? No thanks. Are you good with a soldier serving for two tours in Iraq/Afghanistan getting shot at on a near daily basis, having IEDs blowing his buddies to bits, and then finally coming back to his family only to find he can't own a gun as a citizen because someone says he has PTSD? Because I'm not, and that is being discussed by those that think they are smarter than all of us.
Sorry.. and please, don't take this wrong... because I know you are a smart guy... but, that really sounded like something that would have come out of Sarah Palin's mouth... not Ron Paul's. It really did.
...
I mean, you know this guy was fucking nuts, right? At the same time, he was fucking smart. Maybe... he would have devised a plan to consider those concealed weapons... maybe bought a conversion kit for his AR-15 (from a Good Samaritan at the Gun Show)... and brought more than one gas canister. Uparmoured his vest to military grade... really studied kill zones and firing patterns... shut down the exits by spraying them with fire to send peole back towards the seats. He wasn't a 'Call Of Duty' dumb fuck... he was a PhD candidate and was planning this for a while.
You CAN'T be serious in thinking that having more guns creating deadly cross fire in that small, confined area with tear gas in the air would have saved lives, instead of creating more casualties. Right?
...
And yeah... working closely with military folks, I understand how fucking GREAT Kevlar works. Ever see those guys from that North Hollywood bank heist? Yeah... cop bullets were bouncing off of them like they were Superman. Your solution would work if average citizens were prepared for this type of attack. That means they would have to bring long guns to movie houses. How does THAT promote 'Family Night Out'?
Hail, Hail!!!
So, owning a gun is statistically more deadly than not owning a gun.
I'm still for the right to bear arms, I just don't feel the need to own a gun.
Thats how I feel, I had many guns when I was younger, never an AR-15, mostly Browning 9mm and Wicnchestor Police Defenders. As I got older, I just don't feel the need to carry one or own one. Thankfully I never carried a gun in my car, I would have been a road rage statistic waiting to happen. I just don't want to live my life feeling I need to carry a gun everwhere I go, that would suck, for me at least.
PJ: 2011-09-03 2011-09-04
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well said.
Gun ownership isn't an issue; responsible gun ownership with reasonable limits on the other hand is a serious issue in the US. As far as I can tell, no individual needs that kind of firepower to protect themselves. This extreme paranoia over the state oppressing gun owners is absolutely ridiculous. Most free and democratically elected governments allow for gun ownership with some reasonable restrictions.
Why is a ban on assault rifles like the one used by this shooter so strongly opposed? I have never heard of a person defending themselves with such a weapon.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_Lee_Loughner
you are using a logical mind, can you walk through a schizophrenics mind?
As I mentioned the disease presents and manifest in young people as a purpose.
What is your purpose in life?
Certainly a logical mind with a grasp on reality every moment of everyday
has a very different answer than a young man who is mentally ill.
Recently so,schizophrenia first presenting in this age group.
He did not kill himself, he did not try to flee, he waited around for police,
he told them of the booby traps saving lives. Why? This not a logical thing to do
after a vengeful killing spree with logical motive.
I watched him yesterday, speculation again, I have seen this, he has spent
the last 3 days asleep in the fetal position and has pictures snapping through his head.
As though a movie itself. As though he was part of this movie. A very important part.
Not condoning, just coming from a place of empathy if indeed he will be found
to be diseased. And if so should get mental health treatment and be imprisoned for life,
in my opinion.
no opinion has any value at this matter..with i heard,i know,i read ,cant have an opinion about if he has mental pro or not
there are specialist for this job that court probably will order to do it..
attorneys will play their roles and etc..
..no matter if he has mental pro,or he just like to shoot people and he is a cold murderer
one thing is for sure..he cant never ,ever again must be a free man in the streets..
he is dangerous,and im pretty sure the authorities there at USA,will do the right thing..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”