An ill person will get a gun to carry out their purpose legal or otherwise.
This killer may have had some very recent warning signs
but nothing in his background would have kept him from getting guns,
legal or otherwise.
These assumptions are highly opinionated assumptions, Pandora.
If there were limits on the caliber of weapon available to him like the AR-15, there's no telling if he would've settled on a hand gun or gone further to find an illegal AR-15. This is like giving up on the possibility that some restrictions could help deter. We cant know what's deterred because it hasnt happened.
I understand having the right to a weapon for defense ... but when the weapon has the world "assault" preceding it ... how does "assault" correlate to "defend". :think:
Jason P with all your sports references I expected more out of you. "The best defense..."
I understand having the right to a weapon for defense ... but when the weapon has the world "assault" preceding it ... how does "assault" correlate to "defend". :think:
Dont forget that 50 cailber sniper rifle that can shoot down helicopters that you can buy legally at age 18. Who doesnt need a sniper for defense? You can see people attacking you from miles away!
In fairness, the attacker does have the advantage of air superiority. Self defence is an expensive game.
You're telling me! Better get two 50 calibers then, and why not make RPG's legal too?!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Guns take this away, as well as this...
"First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So, I respectfully disagree.
And again, I'm not saying no guns...but we need to limit what types, what types of ammo, and how they are acquired. Hell, I can only buy so many Claritin-D's in a certain period of time...why not ammo? Hunters really need a stockpile?
if a person uses a tool to violate your rights the person should be held responsible, not the tool. But the vast majority of guns are never used in a commission of a crime.
I understand the desire for people to believe that limiting guns would limit crime, I just don't know if it is possible at this point to take that route. it might be like herding cats and limiting the responsible people would only make it a little harder for the criminals to get what they want... Legislating against murder doesn't stop all people from doing it, legislating against rape doesn't stop all people from doing it, legislating limits on gun ownership will only stop those who respect the law to begin with...
a mass murder ~7 times as large as the one at the theater was done using gasoline. I just don't believe you can legislate for all kinds of crazy...and, good with the bad, I don't think legislation can infringe only a little on our rights...there is a line and once it is crossed, all of them are subject to review at any time. I don't like the precedent it sets. The loss of life is terrible. If the people affected by this tragedy are drawn to the gun control lobby then I wish them the best of luck, I will just disagree as politely as possible.
Ultimately half way isn't going to do anything to stop gun violence, you would have to really end all private gun ownership. simple limits won't have the desired effect. The assault weapon ban of 94 taught us that people will get around it, and, even after it expired,violent crime rates have decreased...You either have to go all the way, figure out why people want to go into a movie theater and shoot people to begin with, or make it easier for people to defend themselves.
This is a bit of an extreme analogy, but if a criminal intent on doing harm were scouting out places to conduct that behavior, which place would he pick, the one that had a sign that said, I have guns and know how to use them, or the one that had a sign that said, Gun Free Household?
I am with you Cincy, I would love to think there is something that can be done, and for us rational folks there seem to be no-brainer ideas...unfortunately the irrational folks won't pay much attention...
PS...I think you should be able to by as much Claritin D as you want
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
read the article i just posted. these mentally ill people shouldn't be able to buy guns at least. surely you agree with that...?
I am here to address mental illness and how we can stop those ill from hurting others, by whatever means they choose. That is ... treat the individual.
An ill person will get a gun to carry out their purpose legal or otherwise.
This killer may have had some very recent warning signs
but nothing in his background would have kept him from getting guns,
legal or otherwise.
so you don't have a problem with the va tech shooter being able to have a gun even though he had at least a 2 year history of mental illness?
He must have passed the mental illness background check I keep hearing so
much about on the news???
I have a problem with the fact he had a diagnosed mental illness and still did not receive
proper care.
An ill person will get a gun to carry out their purpose legal or otherwise.
This killer may have had some very recent warning signs
but nothing in his background would have kept him from getting guns,
legal or otherwise.
These assumptions are highly opinionated assumptions, Pandora.
If there were limits on the caliber of weapon available to him like the AR-15, there's no telling if he would've settled on a hand gun or gone further to find an illegal AR-15. This is like giving up on the possibility that some restrictions could help deter. We cant know what's deterred because it hasnt happened.
Two sides to the coin there Jonny no telling he wouldn't.
Interesting data.
I see more populated states like Cali, NY, NJ are 50th, 43rd, and 49th in permissive gun laws and appear at #40, 45 and 46 on the list. Kinda surprised me.
It does appear that there is a bit of correlation with permissive gun laws and deaths by state.
Did you read the article? Mental health history is almost never considered when buying a gun. That's the point. We need stiffer gun control so guys like him don't get guns.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
People have opinions from past experiences, from drawing similarities, from knowledge
of a particular subject.
It's only opinions...
We certainly have some here on this subject who have opinions ...
he is a cold blooded killer with a hate for people, blood lust when no one knows that.
It's just an opinion.
Seems it's more those making something out of a difference of opinion ...
i use the word or cold murderer or has mental problem
and is an opinion that has no base no matter which of 2 is the truth..
i cant do diagnose from the sofa of my house just watching the news.
if some of you in the thread can do a diagnose via tv screen,...
then,all the doctors out there that see patient in PERSON every day must go burn their diplomas..
oh Dimi really? you of all people know you judge situations as well
and give opinions speculate etc...
this based on your life experiences knowledge
that is all this is and it it based on the same critea everyones uses to do just that,
to have an opinion or speculate.
It is just opinions like I said seems difference of opinion to be more of the deciding factor.
In my opinion a killer with mental disease is not a cold blood murderer and to this layman
he appears to fit the bill of a young man with onset mental illness.
This subject that should be addressed , as in the Gifford shooting,
Loughner who is now diagnosed after the fact.
What do we take from that?
Lets do something before the fact, make help readily available for loved ones to stop
this from happening in the future.
We are learning much about illness through these incidents
just as we are learning about pedophiles and how the prey.
Awareness and action is needed to get help to those who need it
before victims are made.
i can have an opinion..but it based on the tv and news..never met this guy,i dont know what happed except the fact he did something very bad..
my experience ends there..im not a doctor to do diagnose
if he has mental disease or he is faking and he is a cold blood murderer i cant tell,ad noone can tell for sure.here in the forum,cos he watch the news,or saw cold murderers or mental sick peope before.
there are other people will tell,the ones will talk to him and will be the specialist at the case..
the rest of us assuming and our opinion can start with,if and maybe etc...
for sure something is wrong with his mind,but im not the one i can do a diagnose...
my feeling says,he is a fucked up kid that thought this will be fun and he will rule his world and he will do something extreme at his boring life..
alot of people feel nothing out there,they have boring life,but they dont shoot and kill people
and now he is freaking out realize what the fuck he did and he is in a mind mess..but again this is an opinion from my sofa,just reading the news in internet..i just assuming..
and that means nothing.....about what is the truth about this guy...
we can talk for days about it,but doesnt change the fact that we just having a conversation in genedral about it..
noone can have a safe opinion if he isnt part of the investigation,a specialist ,and with out knowing the details of the case..
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"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I understand having the right to a weapon for defense ... but when the weapon has the world "assault" preceding it ... how does "assault" correlate to "defend". :think:
Jason P with all your sports references I expected more out of you. "The best defense..."
...
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Guns take this away, as well as this...
"First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So, I respectfully disagree.
And again, I'm not saying no guns...but we need to limit what types, what types of ammo, and how they are acquired. Hell, I can only buy so many Claritin-D's in a certain period of time...why not ammo? Hunters really need a stockpile?
I understand having the right to a weapon for defense ... but when the weapon has the world "assault" preceding it ... how does "assault" correlate to "defend". :think:
Jason P with all your sports references I expected more out of you. "The best defense..."
...
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
I'm pretty sure you have it backward. Who knows in this age of info overload, but I found the following quotes
>>>>
Make them believe, that offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only ... means of defence. (George Washington, 1799)
The British People had always believed that the best form of defence was attack on the enemy. (_Times_, Nov 26, 1941)
"My old and very good friend, Jack Dempsey, has a saying which he has proved time and again in the ring. The best defense is a good offense." (Elia Kazan, _The Arrangement_, 1967)
He had learned -- at an early age -- that the best form of defense was offense. (Jackie Collins, _Hollywood Wives_, 1983)
>>>>
Plus think about it logically. It's literally impossible for good pitching to "win" a game. Best you can do is a tie (zero to zero) with literally no offense.
I understand having the right to a weapon for defense ... but when the weapon has the world "assault" preceding it ... how does "assault" correlate to "defend". :think:
Jason P with all your sports references I expected more out of you. "The best defense..."
...
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
Perhaps it's just me, but couldn't that same thinking be used to justify genocide?
i agree..very well -smart put things at the video i just watched in the link
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Jason P with all your sports references I expected more out of you. "The best defense..."
...
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
Perhaps it's just me, but couldn't that same thinking be used to justify genocide?
...
H'UH... WHO... WHA???
Genocide... is a Sport???
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Guns take this away, as well as this...
"First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So, I respectfully disagree.
And again, I'm not saying no guns...but we need to limit what types, what types of ammo, and how they are acquired. Hell, I can only buy so many Claritin-D's in a certain period of time...why not ammo? Hunters really need a stockpile?
This^^^
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
I adore him :oops: Love the bits about sudafed and the costume ban. Every time I need cold medicine I feel like I'm a criminal. And as for the costume ban...ummmm...the shooter wasn't wearing a costume. He was dressed to kill and that's exactly what he did.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"
Guns take this away, as well as this...
"First Amendment: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
So, I respectfully disagree.
And again, I'm not saying no guns...but we need to limit what types, what types of ammo, and how they are acquired. Hell, I can only buy so many Claritin-D's in a certain period of time...why not ammo? Hunters really need a stockpile?
i agree with you cincy. exactly what i was thinking...
anyone else just feel the earth quake??
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
Perhaps it's just me, but couldn't that same thinking be used to justify genocide?
...
H'UH... WHO... WHA???
Genocide... is a Sport???
If a sports metaphor to rationalize the use of assault rifles as a defensive tool then doesn't the same metaphor justify eliminating the competition before they become an issue?
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
can you not shoot me if you don't like what i say? i would say that guns and some people that own/use them limit freedom of speech and expression all of the time...
if i know you have a gun in your pants, it is going to keep me from saying what i really want to say...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
People are probably more likely to listen when you're brandishing a gun. Just a guess.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
People are probably more likely to listen when you're brandishing a gun. Just a guess.
Reminds me of the scene from Grand Canyon (one of my favorites) -
"You gotta answer one more thing for me, and you gotta tell me the truth. Are you askin' me a favor as a sign of respect...or are you askin' me a favour cos I got the gun?"
"Man, the world ain't supposed to work like this. I mean, maybe you don't know that, but this ain't the way it's supposed to be. I'm supposed to be able to do my job without asking you if I can. That dude is supposed to be able to wait with his car without you rippin' him off. Everything's supposed to be different than what it is."
"So what's your answer?"
"You don't have the gun, we ain't havin' this conversation."
"That's what I thought. No gun, no respect. That's why I always got the gun."
And that's where I was talking about responsible ownership earlier; any fuckin punk can obtain and wield one. The response they get isn't one borne of respect, but of fear.
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
can you not shoot me if you don't like what i say? i would say that guns and some people that own/use them limit freedom of speech and expression all of the time...
if i know you have a gun in your pants, it is going to keep me from saying what i really want to say...
No i cannot shoot you if I don't like what you say...I think this board is proof of that A person can try to use all the tools available to them to make you shut up, but that doesn't change the fact that the tool was used for a different purpose than originally intended and if intimidation was the goal of the person attempting it that is a person violating the rights, not a tool.
if guns effected the freedom of speech we would never here any dissent against gov't policy, they have the most guns and the most means of intimidation available...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
People are probably more likely to listen when you're brandishing a gun. Just a guess.
ok, that doesn't really answer the question of how your freedom of speech is infringed upon by legal gun use/ownership...
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
People are probably more likely to listen when you're brandishing a gun. Just a guess.
Reminds me of the scene from Grand Canyon (one of my favorites) -
"You gotta answer one more thing for me, and you gotta tell me the truth. Are you askin' me a favor as a sign of respect...or are you askin' me a favour cos I got the gun?"
"Man, the world ain't supposed to work like this. I mean, maybe you don't know that, but this ain't the way it's supposed to be. I'm supposed to be able to do my job without asking you if I can. That dude is supposed to be able to wait with his car without you rippin' him off. Everything's supposed to be different than what it is."
"So what's your answer?"
"You don't have the gun, we ain't havin' this conversation."
"That's what I thought. No gun, no respect. That's why I always got the gun."
And that's where I was talking about responsible ownership earlier; any fuckin punk can obtain and wield one. The response they get isn't one borne of respect, but of fear.
Perfect quote!
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
can you not shoot me if you don't like what i say? i would say that guns and some people that own/use them limit freedom of speech and expression all of the time...
if i know you have a gun in your pants, it is going to keep me from saying what i really want to say...
No i cannot shoot you if I don't like what you say...I think this board is proof of that A person can try to use all the tools available to them to make you shut up, but that doesn't change the fact that the tool was used for a different purpose than originally intended and if intimidation was the goal of the person attempting it that is a person violating the rights, not a tool.
if guns effected the freedom of speech we would never here any dissent against gov't policy, they have the most guns and the most means of intimidation available...
Just because you personally wouldn't shoot someone for what they say, doesn't mean you couldn't. Certainly there are some people that would and do, some governments that do. How many people haven't heard of an incident of someone engaging in an argument and said (or heard someone say) "that person could have shot you! You don't know if s/he is carrying a gun!" So in those cases I guess it would limit speech. Cold medicines are tools that are used to make illicit drugs and so the access to them is limited. It's not the cold medicine that's making the drugs, it's the person. Registries are being created for prescribed pain medication to limit their misuse. The pills are just the tool for the misuse it's the people that are misusing them.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
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These assumptions are highly opinionated assumptions, Pandora.
If there were limits on the caliber of weapon available to him like the AR-15, there's no telling if he would've settled on a hand gun or gone further to find an illegal AR-15. This is like giving up on the possibility that some restrictions could help deter. We cant know what's deterred because it hasnt happened.
You're telling me! Better get two 50 calibers then, and why not make RPG's legal too?!
if a person uses a tool to violate your rights the person should be held responsible, not the tool. But the vast majority of guns are never used in a commission of a crime.
I understand the desire for people to believe that limiting guns would limit crime, I just don't know if it is possible at this point to take that route. it might be like herding cats and limiting the responsible people would only make it a little harder for the criminals to get what they want... Legislating against murder doesn't stop all people from doing it, legislating against rape doesn't stop all people from doing it, legislating limits on gun ownership will only stop those who respect the law to begin with...
a mass murder ~7 times as large as the one at the theater was done using gasoline. I just don't believe you can legislate for all kinds of crazy...and, good with the bad, I don't think legislation can infringe only a little on our rights...there is a line and once it is crossed, all of them are subject to review at any time. I don't like the precedent it sets. The loss of life is terrible. If the people affected by this tragedy are drawn to the gun control lobby then I wish them the best of luck, I will just disagree as politely as possible.
Ultimately half way isn't going to do anything to stop gun violence, you would have to really end all private gun ownership. simple limits won't have the desired effect. The assault weapon ban of 94 taught us that people will get around it, and, even after it expired,violent crime rates have decreased...You either have to go all the way, figure out why people want to go into a movie theater and shoot people to begin with, or make it easier for people to defend themselves.
This is a bit of an extreme analogy, but if a criminal intent on doing harm were scouting out places to conduct that behavior, which place would he pick, the one that had a sign that said, I have guns and know how to use them, or the one that had a sign that said, Gun Free Household?
I am with you Cincy, I would love to think there is something that can be done, and for us rational folks there seem to be no-brainer ideas...unfortunately the irrational folks won't pay much attention...
PS...I think you should be able to by as much Claritin D as you want
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
much about on the news???
I have a problem with the fact he had a diagnosed mental illness and still did not receive
proper care.
Interesting data.
I see more populated states like Cali, NY, NJ are 50th, 43rd, and 49th in permissive gun laws and appear at #40, 45 and 46 on the list. Kinda surprised me.
It does appear that there is a bit of correlation with permissive gun laws and deaths by state.
Did you read the article? Mental health history is almost never considered when buying a gun. That's the point. We need stiffer gun control so guys like him don't get guns.
my experience ends there..im not a doctor to do diagnose
if he has mental disease or he is faking and he is a cold blood murderer i cant tell,ad noone can tell for sure.here in the forum,cos he watch the news,or saw cold murderers or mental sick peope before.
there are other people will tell,the ones will talk to him and will be the specialist at the case..
the rest of us assuming and our opinion can start with,if and maybe etc...
for sure something is wrong with his mind,but im not the one i can do a diagnose...
my feeling says,he is a fucked up kid that thought this will be fun and he will rule his world and he will do something extreme at his boring life..
alot of people feel nothing out there,they have boring life,but they dont shoot and kill people
and now he is freaking out realize what the fuck he did and he is in a mind mess..but again this is an opinion from my sofa,just reading the news in internet..i just assuming..
and that means nothing.....about what is the truth about this guy...
we can talk for days about it,but doesnt change the fact that we just having a conversation in genedral about it..
noone can have a safe opinion if he isnt part of the investigation,a specialist ,and with out knowing the details of the case..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Actually... and I'm just trying to clarify... the philosophy is, 'The best Offense is a Good Defense'. Because, your ability to limit your opponent to a low number of points/runs/goals makes it possible for a mediocre offense to score a higher number. Sort of like good pitching beats good hitting in baseball.
...
That is all. Carry on.
Hail, Hail!!!
This^^^
>>>>
Make them believe, that offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only ... means of defence. (George Washington, 1799)
The British People had always believed that the best form of defence was attack on the enemy. (_Times_, Nov 26, 1941)
"My old and very good friend, Jack Dempsey, has a saying which he has proved time and again in the ring. The best defense is a good offense." (Elia Kazan, _The Arrangement_, 1967)
He had learned -- at an early age -- that the best form of defense was offense. (Jackie Collins, _Hollywood Wives_, 1983)
>>>>
Plus think about it logically. It's literally impossible for good pitching to "win" a game. Best you can do is a tie (zero to zero) with literally no offense.
Perfect.
Perhaps it's just me, but couldn't that same thinking be used to justify genocide?
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
H'UH... WHO... WHA???
Genocide... is a Sport???
Hail, Hail!!!
Care to elaborate how private, legal gun use/ownership infringes on the freedom of speech?
and you won't get an argument from me that you should be able to buy as many claritin d's as you wish...
How is your pursuit of happiness, life, or liberty are infringed by legal gun ownership/use?
Also, I love the declaration of independence, but it isn't a legally binding document that sets legal precedent in the United States. The constitution does that and pretty well I might add.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
anyone else just feel the earth quake??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
If a sports metaphor to rationalize the use of assault rifles as a defensive tool then doesn't the same metaphor justify eliminating the competition before they become an issue?
if i know you have a gun in your pants, it is going to keep me from saying what i really want to say...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"You gotta answer one more thing for me, and you gotta tell me the truth. Are you askin' me a favor as a sign of respect...or are you askin' me a favour cos I got the gun?"
"Man, the world ain't supposed to work like this. I mean, maybe you don't know that, but this ain't the way it's supposed to be. I'm supposed to be able to do my job without asking you if I can. That dude is supposed to be able to wait with his car without you rippin' him off. Everything's supposed to be different than what it is."
"So what's your answer?"
"You don't have the gun, we ain't havin' this conversation."
"That's what I thought. No gun, no respect. That's why I always got the gun."
And that's where I was talking about responsible ownership earlier; any fuckin punk can obtain and wield one. The response they get isn't one borne of respect, but of fear.
No i cannot shoot you if I don't like what you say...I think this board is proof of that
if guns effected the freedom of speech we would never here any dissent against gov't policy, they have the most guns and the most means of intimidation available...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Apparently Mayor Bloomberg feels differently:
http://reason.com/blog/2012/07/24/mayor ... ld-go-on-s
ok, that doesn't really answer the question of how your freedom of speech is infringed upon by legal gun use/ownership...
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/07/24/background-checks-for-guns-in-colorado-reportedly-jump-41-percent-since-movie/