odd analogy actually hunters aren't anything like child rapists are they to you? :?
Again, the point is missed. The point being: We do not have 'to be' to 'understand' or have an opinion. I guess my 'shock' tactics aren't as good as Nugent.
Though I may be doing the same as you in missing the analogy between 'wanting' to be a trophy hunter as Nugent and a career soldier - really.... comparing those two occupations?
yes .. neither would I want to be was the point
my mindset could not be more different yet I can embrace both
what was your reference again with child rapists I missed that one :?
odd analogy actually hunters aren't anything like child rapists are they to you? :?
Again, the point is missed. The point being: We do not have 'to be' to 'understand' or have an opinion. I guess my 'shock' tactics aren't as good as Nugent.
Though I may be doing the same as you in missing the analogy between 'wanting' to be a trophy hunter as Nugent and a career soldier - really.... comparing those two occupations?
yes .. neither would I want to be was the point
my mindset could not be more different yet I can embrace both
what was your reference again with child rapists I missed that one :?
Again: we do not have 'to be' (ie be a hunter or, as my analogy a child rapist) to 'understand' being of a different mindset (when you said it was very hard to non hunters to understand - no it's not - it's a excuse you wish to make for us not 'understanding' and having an opinion of Nugent). Maybe just replace rapist by tight rope walker if that makes it any easier. If you can't understand, that's fine but I'm done explaining. Maybe it's my english...
Though, as wolf said, my analogy was not far off though....
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This has got to be a joke. If not, what a sick fuck. :shock:
Im really amazed that people can feel this excited about all that death. I cant help but imagine all those animals he's killed -- and if they were alive all in one area, how incredible a vision it would be.
It is very hard for non hunters to understand being of a very different mindset.
This too for myself.
That is the basic point. We are not all alike. Not all hunters are alike in mindset.
But I will not claim to be a better person because I do not kill.
I eat meat, it would be very hypocritical to find fault with legal hunters.
Excited about death :? ... my goodness look at the news, the murders, rapes, war,
even the favorite movies out, many humans seem to embrace just that to some degree.
Yes, it is true that its hard for me to understand his mindset. Maybe I should be like you and not judge the man. But I simply don't want to be like that. I see too much beauty in the things that he puts an end to. If he ate everything he killed, and none of them were vulnerable species, and none of his actions were illegal, I would have no problem with it. Too much of that adds up that equates to an amoral sociopathic lunatic.
I'm sorry, but its just my opinion, even that though I eat meat, I am appalled by people who kill animals for trophy. Even more so appalled at people who kill animals for trophy that are vulnerable/endangered, or if its done illegally. I am allowed to judge these people because I feel its abhorrent. Of course, we all have different moral compass, and that is your point. But I never sit back and hide my opinion because if we all did that, then people like Teddy fuckhead Nugent would go on plundering our planet with no care in the world, and our grand kids one day might wonder why there are only pictures left of rhinos or whatever...
yes, murders, rape, war...all terrible...but do you defend that? Why defend Nugent? The way he describes it is just sick. Pleasurable kills... :? he says he's done it so much that he doesnt even get excited about it anymore! He's even conditioned himself to be bored from all the killing! Or is he just still needing attention?
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This has got to be a joke. If not, what a sick fuck. :shock:
Im really amazed that people can feel this excited about all that death. I cant help but imagine all those animals he's killed -- and if they were alive all in one area, how incredible a vision it would be.
It is very hard for non hunters to understand being of a very different mindset.
This too for myself.
That is the basic point. We are not all alike. Not all hunters are alike in mindset.
But I will not claim to be a better person because I do not kill.
I eat meat, it would be very hypocritical to find fault with legal hunters.
Excited about death :? ... my goodness look at the news, the murders, rapes, war,
even the favorite movies out, many humans seem to embrace just that to some degree.
Yes, it is true that its hard for me to understand his mindset. Maybe I should be like you and not judge the man. But I simply don't want to be like that. I see too much beauty in the things that he puts an end to. If he ate everything he killed, and none of them were vulnerable species, and none of his actions were illegal, I would have no problem with it. Too much of that adds up that equates to an amoral sociopathic lunatic.
I'm sorry, but its just my opinion, even that though I eat meat, I am appalled by people who kill animals for trophy. Even more so appalled at people who kill animals for trophy that are vulnerable/endangered, or if its done illegally. I am allowed to judge these people because I feel its abhorrent. Of course, we all have different moral compass, and that is your point. But I never sit back and hide my opinion because if we all did that, then people like Teddy fuckhead Nugent would go on plundering our planet with no care in the world, and our grand kids one day might wonder why there are only pictures left of rhinos or whatever...
yes, murders, rape, war...all terrible...but do you defend that? Why defend Nugent? The way he describes it is just sick. Pleasurable kills... :? he says he's done it so much that he doesnt even get excited about it anymore! He's even conditioned himself to be bored from all the killing! Or is he just still needing attention?
You assume I defend him, I defend hunting not illegal hunting.
I defend trophy hunting within legal boundaries.
We want laws based on protecting animals not protecting how some feel about them.
I brought those up as the human obsession to violence and murder not condoning of course.
As I mentioned I think with some hunters it can become an addiction, more more
the fact that Ted feels this way may soon mean he will give it up as he has with the girls of
25 years ago. This the grand thing about a life's path always time to change our ways
and learn more about ourselves and others and forgive both in the process.
Yes, it is true that its hard for me to understand his mindset. Maybe I should be like you and not judge the man. But I simply don't want to be like that. I see too much beauty in the things that he puts an end to. If he ate everything he killed, and none of them were vulnerable species, and none of his actions were illegal, I would have no problem with it. Too much of that adds up that equates to an amoral sociopathic lunatic.
I'm sorry, but its just my opinion, even that though I eat meat, I am appalled by people who kill animals for trophy. Even more so appalled at people who kill animals for trophy that are vulnerable/endangered, or if its done illegally. I am allowed to judge these people because I feel its abhorrent. Of course, we all have different moral compass, and that is your point. But I never sit back and hide my opinion because if we all did that, then people like Teddy fuckhead Nugent would go on plundering our planet with no care in the world, and our grand kids one day might wonder why there are only pictures left of rhinos or whatever...
yes, murders, rape, war...all terrible...but do you defend that? Why defend Nugent? The way he describes it is just sick. Pleasurable kills... :? he says he's done it so much that he doesnt even get excited about it anymore! He's even conditioned himself to be bored from all the killing! Or is he just still needing attention?
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I don't even kill spiders anymore. I relocate them to the outside.
Ants... yeah, I kill them. But, i don't get extreme pleasure out of killing them. I just don't like them swarming the cat dish in the kitchen and they are extrememly difficult to herd out the door. They get sprayed with Windex.
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is breaking california law still not breaking the law???
seriously, wtf???
how can you excuse it?
Right! I'm from California and crazy as people seem to think this place is, breaking the law here is still breaking the law. His crime is inexcusable, here or anywhere that has similar laws.
so we know he broke hunting laws in california, alaska, and i believe i read michigan too just the other day. anyone have a list on the states where ted has broken hunting laws?
i know he supports murdering wolves from helicopter with that insane sarah palin up in alaska. she supports murdering wolves and other what have you animals from helicopter! this broad is dangerously oput of her frickin skull. i would guess her and ted have murdered countless wolves in the air; running wolves down into the ground, making the wolves run soo far soo fast that they literally cannot run anymore.... all that plus getting shot at by a lunatic in the air. :nono:
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Can we put Ted Nugent in a ring with a few wolves, a bear or two, heck, even a deer, and see what happens.
It's amazing how tough and self-righteous people are when they are holding a gun or bow and arrow.
Also, ti is interesting to note that Nugent enjoys hunting defenseless animals, but, when it comes to war, he is scared shitless....literally
I guess there are articles on both sides of the fence as we keep seeing
I'm not a hunter but am also not opposed to trophy hunting, as you appear to be.
Every person makes their choices it is not my choice to judge others.
Really? Killing something (that has a mother or babies) just to say you did or for decorative purposes is okay? How do you reconcile that as being acceptable behavior? It seems impossible for me to do so.
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
You assume I defend him, I defend hunting not illegal hunting.
I defend trophy hunting within legal boundaries.
We want laws based on protecting animals not protecting how some feel about them.
I brought those up as the human obsession to violence and murder not condoning of course.
As I mentioned I think with some hunters it can become an addiction, more more
the fact that Ted feels this way may soon mean he will give it up as he has with the girls of
25 years ago. This the grand thing about a life's path always time to change our ways
and learn more about ourselves and others and forgive both in the process.
Some of the stuff you are saying sounds like you are justifying TEd Nugents actions...like when you said this in response to when I said he is sick for being excited about all the death:
Excited about death :? ... my goodness look at the news, the murders, rapes, war,
even the favorite movies out, many humans seem to embrace just that to some degree.
It just sounds like you're defending the guy throughout this thread...maybe i'm wrong. I know you're trying to "understand him," but there's a point where if you're Ok with what he's doing, then you're defending him.
And just because something is legal, it doesnt mean we have to like it, understand it, or whatever. I dont understand the mindset, and I never will. I do have friends that do this trophy hunting, and as much as I despise it, its their thing and I just have to live with it. But I will alwyas ask them what's the point. They never have a good answer. I'm like Cosmo, I have a "bug cup" in my house I use to catch stuff and throw it out the door.
Ted is on probation...
his first, he will hopefully learn to follow the hunting regulations per state now,
So, having his deer hunting license revoked for two years (in 2010) in California (which I understand allows a number of states to revoke same license) didn't count towards his 'learning' and 'following regulations' before being sentenced for this bear incident for which he is now on probation? He doesn't care. If he can get away with it, he will. My thoughts.
Note - I am not against hunting. What he does is not hunting. But then again, that has been explained in numerous posts from various posters.
thank you again, redrock. thank you.
i cannot understand those who believe ted nugent is a hunter. sure, sometimes he may walk 11 miles into the mountains and bush to look a deer eye to eye before letting go the bow string.
that would be hunting.
(murdering a bear and other majestic creatures, big cats, zebra, ect) or any animal on a game (murder) farm in texas or elsewhere is not hunting. some ranches have black panther. some assholes remove the claws to ensure safety to the scumbag holding the gun. they open the cage door. the big cat panther runs out the cage where the beast meets its maker. all for many thousand dollars. this is where ted nugent dwells. these are his friends. i do not know if ted nugent has ever had a caged panther released in front of him so he could blow its brains out. but none the less. ted's nearby. and w/ erection. it aint pretty lady and gentlemen.
what about buffalo murderers? it is not hunting. you can pull up to a buffalo and blow its brains out for 500 in missouri. while the rancher drags the buffalo behind his tractor, dragging it back to be butchered, the dead buffalo's friends and family in the buffalo herd...they follow their bleeding friend in a sad manner. it is enough to bring tears to your eyes.
yes it is a good life. open field, hay, flowers purple and clover. sky blue andclouds. wild and fenced in.
slaps the fuck out of being a chicken living in a wire metal cage 1/2 inch wider and taller than you yourself the chicken or being in a hog confinement.
the buffalo hunt wasn't a hunt. these ranches need shut down. anyone wanna murder a grizzly or a exotic from africa? call texas. texas imports exotics for muder. call ted. other states do this as well. in most states i would believe exotic murder ranches are illegal.
there is not much to dwell on. there is not much to study. there is not much to contemplate. there is not much to ponder. there is not much to understand.
a small wikileaks cache worth of evidence has been presented and the conclusion is obvious.
the man gets off on having sex with underage girls. this is illegal, yet somehow is kosher with some people on here.
the man does not engage anything or anyone that might harm him while defending itself. he is pro war but refused to fight. this is cowardice. somehow it is ok with some people on here.
he gets off on killing things.
both legally and illegally.
the posters who are defending nugent in this thread also tried to defend zimmerman in the trayvon martin thread by saying the same things. that they were trying to understand him.
it is just a feeble attempt to try to justify and validate ted nugent's actions. to me there is no defending nugent. in my opinion if you are not against his actions, then by default you support them.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know.
For me a trophy is a photograph but for some that is not the case.
I also relocate spiders :? no kill
I wouldn't pass judgement because someone hunts not like I did when I was young.
On my path I have met some good people who hunt....
as kind generous compassionate as the next guy.
People need to be honest here and go back to where all this hate comes from ...
me thinks it's still just cause he is on the opposite side of the fence,
is that a good enough reason for hate ?
:nono:
No that's not a good enough reason to hate someone. So I guess its a good thing that i hate him for ADMITTING to put his very grown up sexual organ in very young girls. I'm not talking about the 17 year olds, I'm talking about the 13 and 14 year olds.
Christ almighty I still can't believe he gets a pass on that from some of you.
So my question is this, its Okay to give a pediphile a pass because he speaks out against a president that you don't like?
It goes both ways.
wait a minute... nugent has sexually been with 13 and 14 year old girls? this is a fact?
I guess there are articles on both sides of the fence as we keep seeing
I'm not a hunter but am also not opposed to trophy hunting, as you appear to be.
Every person makes their choices it is not my choice to judge others.
Really? Killing something (that has a mother or babies) just to say you did or for decorative purposes is okay? How do you reconcile that as being acceptable behavior? It seems impossible for me to do so.
I love animals and relocate spiders I'm no kill though not a vegetarian anymore
but I can not judge others for being hunters. 15 years ago but not anymore.
Judging others is really wrong, it is simple to me.
Pandora - there is nothing to commend about his 'hunting' skills. He "hunts" in reserves, ranches where game is put at the disposal of the 'hunter', baited and rounded up for their pleasure. He has a ranch like this too, he makes money out of it. These are called 'canned hunts' - from Wiki: "A canned hunt is essentially a trophy hunt in which the animal is kept in a more confined area, such as in a fenced-in area, increasing the likelihood of the hunter obtaining a kill. According to one dictionary, a canned hunt is a "hunt for animals that have been raised on game ranches until they are mature enough to be killed for trophy collections."
He eats what he kills? Really?? I'm sure the rhino, which he had it's head as a trophy on his wall, tasted good :roll: And he has killed animals 'by the thousands' (see below) - what an appetite he must have!
A great quote from Nugent: “I'm stymied to come up with anything funnier than people who think animals have rights. Just stick an arrow through their lungs.”
From an article by Nugent:
"I have celebrated the immense pleasure of killingpigs with handguns, rifles, shotguns, crossbows, longbows, recurve bows, compound bows, and with my F-250. I killed a pig with a knife in Hawaii once. It was splendid.
You would think that after more than a dozen thrilling African safaris -- killing lion, buffalo, elephant, rhino, greater kudu, eland, zebra, gemsbok, impala, warthog, tsetsebee, tiang, blesbok, nyala, reedbuck, waterbuck, bushbuck, white-eared kob, lesser kudu, Lord Derby Eland, steenbok, dik-dik, duiker, springbok, giraffe, sable, roan, baboon, wildebeest, and hunting the amazing North American buffalo, elk, moose, grizzly bear, black bear, whitetail deer, mule deer, blacktail deer, musk ox, cougar, caribou, javelina, and wild hogsby the thousands -- that a simple, standard, plain old ordinary pig wouldn't excite me that much anymore. "
Note some of the above are vulnerable species. Some of the above are not hunted for food but for 'trophies'/skin, etc.
Yep - he's an 'ethical' hunter all right :roll:
i cannot even type up a responce. i don't even know what to do
at this very moment i cannot even move really.
my mouth is open and in awe
You assume I defend him, I defend hunting not illegal hunting.
I defend trophy hunting within legal boundaries.
We want laws based on protecting animals not protecting how some feel about them.
I brought those up as the human obsession to violence and murder not condoning of course.
As I mentioned I think with some hunters it can become an addiction, more more
the fact that Ted feels this way may soon mean he will give it up as he has with the girls of
25 years ago. This the grand thing about a life's path always time to change our ways
and learn more about ourselves and others and forgive both in the process.
Some of the stuff you are saying sounds like you are justifying TEd Nugents actions...like when you said this in response to when I said he is sick for being excited about all the death:
Excited about death :? ... my goodness look at the news, the murders, rapes, war,
even the favorite movies out, many humans seem to embrace just that to some degree.
It just sounds like you're defending the guy throughout this thread...maybe i'm wrong. I know you're trying to "understand him," but there's a point where if you're Ok with what he's doing, then you're defending him.
And just because something is legal, it doesnt mean we have to like it, understand it, or whatever. I dont understand the mindset, and I never will. I do have friends that do this trophy hunting, and as much as I despise it, its their thing and I just have to live with it. But I will alwyas ask them what's the point. They never have a good answer. I'm like Cosmo, I have a "bug cup" in my house I use to catch stuff and throw it out the door.
Great Post Whygohome.
You have friends that are big game trophy hunters?
well that shows how open minded you are. It is not for you
but you can say to each their own.
Ted is not a friend but I can do the same for him like I would other's choices.
As I mentioned about the thrill of the hunt/kill, I can't relate,
it is not a defense, it is fact.
Neither is comparing it to the general excitement some people feel
through other violence.
It is a matter of fact statement not defense.
I am unbiased when it coms to Ted which from the start in many threads is not true for others.
I am ok with hunting if within legal boundaries which I have mentioned alot
but not for myself. Just cause I won't do it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
Some here have debated without that, assuming we should only encourage what
is right for own selves,
this obvious by the numerous times I have been asked if I could do it :?
Creepy. I can't say I can really believe Courtney Love but the fact that there was no comment back from Nugent and that the thread for it was deleted is highly suspicious to me.
what is going on? i feel i have been in a fucking whirlwind holy fucking out of this world encounter just by being on here. my fucking soul has been beat up and now scarred by this ridiculous bullshit.
like i have said before. i am leaving 10c and may never return
i need a meat lover's pizza, a gallon of pink lemonade, 4 cup cakes, a gallon of honey, a truck load of gravel, 14 fantastic pornographic magazines, a industrial tub of go-to-town lubrication, and a bucket of sand
I'm not a hunter but am also not opposed to trophy hunting
Really? Killing something (that has a mother or babies) just to say you did or for decorative purposes is okay? How do you reconcile that as being acceptable behavior?
I love animals and relocate spiders .
.... yet you approve/condone the unscrupulous killing of animals for no other reason that to fulfill some sick ego trip, the rarer/bigger the animal, the better the 'decoration'? Something doesn't quite sound right here. Or maybe it's just because spiders don't make good trophies that they are worth 'relocating'...
I guess there are articles on both sides of the fence as we keep seeing
I'm not a hunter but am also not opposed to trophy hunting, as you appear to be.
Every person makes their choices it is not my choice to judge others.[/quote]
Really? Killing something (that has a mother or babies) just to say you did or for decorative purposes is okay? How do you reconcile that as being acceptable behavior? It seems impossible for me to do so.
I love animals and relocate spiders I'm no kill though not a vegetarian anymore
but I can not judge others for being hunters. 15 years ago but not anymore. Judging others is really wrong, it is simple to me.
I get it about the judging. I'm no saint and I'm sure others might determine some of my actions are/were unaccepatble, but that's not necessarily saying that "Markin Ball" is bad. I'm not asking you to judge anyone as a person. I'm asking how you about their behavior. You find that judging is wrong as a behavior? How can you find trophy hunting to be an acceptable behavior?
"First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."
You have friends that are big game trophy hunters?
well that shows how open minded you are. It is not for you
but you can say to each their own.
Ted is not a friend but I can do the same for him like I would other's choices.
As I mentioned about the thrill of the hunt/kill, I can't relate,
it is not a defense, it is fact.
Neither is comparing it to the general excitement some people feel
through other violence.
It is a matter of fact statement not defense.
I am unbiased when it coms to Ted which from the start in many threads is not true for others.
I am ok with hunting if within legal boundaries which I have mentioned alot
but not for myself. Just cause I won't do it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
Some here have debated without that, assuming we should only encourage what
is right for own selves,
this obvious by the numerous times I have been asked if I could do it :?
Pandora, I really think that is a great way to live for some people (to not judge). And I commend you for that. And I am not trying to offend...but I only judge Nugent or other trophy hunters because I don't think the victims are able to stand up for themselves. And it is simply my natural response to feel sickened by these actions -- so I speak up. I'll be the first to admit, I came in with a bias, because it sickens me, people who shit where they live and don't care for certain things.
Yes, I'd actually like to go back on one thing -- I don't have friends that do trophy hunting...I have acquaintances. I've honestly never met a person who does trophy hunting that has enough in common with me to call them a friend.
.... yet you approve/condone the unscrupulous killing of animals for no other reason that to fulfill some sick ego trip, the rarer/bigger the animal, the better the 'decoration'? Something doesn't quite sound right here. Or maybe it's just because spiders don't make good trophies that they are worth 'relocating'...
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That makes sense... I guess. I mean, It's pretty easy to scoop up a spider in your hands and toss him out into the ivy.
I suppose it would be a lot tougher with White Rhinos or Snow Leopards in the bathroom sink. Kind of hard to carry them to the front door.
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my mindset could not be more different yet I can embrace both
what was your reference again with child rapists I missed that one :?
Though, as wolf said, my analogy was not far off though....
Yes, it is true that its hard for me to understand his mindset. Maybe I should be like you and not judge the man. But I simply don't want to be like that. I see too much beauty in the things that he puts an end to. If he ate everything he killed, and none of them were vulnerable species, and none of his actions were illegal, I would have no problem with it. Too much of that adds up that equates to an amoral sociopathic lunatic.
I'm sorry, but its just my opinion, even that though I eat meat, I am appalled by people who kill animals for trophy. Even more so appalled at people who kill animals for trophy that are vulnerable/endangered, or if its done illegally. I am allowed to judge these people because I feel its abhorrent. Of course, we all have different moral compass, and that is your point. But I never sit back and hide my opinion because if we all did that, then people like Teddy fuckhead Nugent would go on plundering our planet with no care in the world, and our grand kids one day might wonder why there are only pictures left of rhinos or whatever...
yes, murders, rape, war...all terrible...but do you defend that? Why defend Nugent? The way he describes it is just sick. Pleasurable kills... :? he says he's done it so much that he doesnt even get excited about it anymore! He's even conditioned himself to be bored from all the killing! Or is he just still needing attention?
I defend trophy hunting within legal boundaries.
We want laws based on protecting animals not protecting how some feel about them.
I brought those up as the human obsession to violence and murder not condoning of course.
As I mentioned I think with some hunters it can become an addiction, more more
the fact that Ted feels this way may soon mean he will give it up as he has with the girls of
25 years ago. This the grand thing about a life's path always time to change our ways
and learn more about ourselves and others and forgive both in the process.
I don't even kill spiders anymore. I relocate them to the outside.
Ants... yeah, I kill them. But, i don't get extreme pleasure out of killing them. I just don't like them swarming the cat dish in the kitchen and they are extrememly difficult to herd out the door. They get sprayed with Windex.
Hail, Hail!!!
i know he supports murdering wolves from helicopter with that insane sarah palin up in alaska. she supports murdering wolves and other what have you animals from helicopter! this broad is dangerously oput of her frickin skull. i would guess her and ted have murdered countless wolves in the air; running wolves down into the ground, making the wolves run soo far soo fast that they literally cannot run anymore.... all that plus getting shot at by a lunatic in the air. :nono:
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
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It's amazing how tough and self-righteous people are when they are holding a gun or bow and arrow.
Also, ti is interesting to note that Nugent enjoys hunting defenseless animals, but, when it comes to war, he is scared shitless....literally
we had some opposed to hunting legal or otherwise and very emotional :?
Really? Killing something (that has a mother or babies) just to say you did or for decorative purposes is okay? How do you reconcile that as being acceptable behavior? It seems impossible for me to do so.
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Some of the stuff you are saying sounds like you are justifying TEd Nugents actions...like when you said this in response to when I said he is sick for being excited about all the death:
It just sounds like you're defending the guy throughout this thread...maybe i'm wrong. I know you're trying to "understand him," but there's a point where if you're Ok with what he's doing, then you're defending him.
And just because something is legal, it doesnt mean we have to like it, understand it, or whatever. I dont understand the mindset, and I never will. I do have friends that do this trophy hunting, and as much as I despise it, its their thing and I just have to live with it. But I will alwyas ask them what's the point. They never have a good answer. I'm like Cosmo, I have a "bug cup" in my house I use to catch stuff and throw it out the door.
Great Post Whygohome.
thank you again, redrock. thank you.
i cannot understand those who believe ted nugent is a hunter. sure, sometimes he may walk 11 miles into the mountains and bush to look a deer eye to eye before letting go the bow string.
that would be hunting.
(murdering a bear and other majestic creatures, big cats, zebra, ect) or any animal on a game (murder) farm in texas or elsewhere is not hunting. some ranches have black panther. some assholes remove the claws to ensure safety to the scumbag holding the gun. they open the cage door. the big cat panther runs out the cage where the beast meets its maker. all for many thousand dollars. this is where ted nugent dwells. these are his friends. i do not know if ted nugent has ever had a caged panther released in front of him so he could blow its brains out. but none the less. ted's nearby. and w/ erection. it aint pretty lady and gentlemen.
what about buffalo murderers? it is not hunting. you can pull up to a buffalo and blow its brains out for 500 in missouri. while the rancher drags the buffalo behind his tractor, dragging it back to be butchered, the dead buffalo's friends and family in the buffalo herd...they follow their bleeding friend in a sad manner. it is enough to bring tears to your eyes.
yes it is a good life. open field, hay, flowers purple and clover. sky blue andclouds. wild and fenced in.
slaps the fuck out of being a chicken living in a wire metal cage 1/2 inch wider and taller than you yourself the chicken or being in a hog confinement.
the buffalo hunt wasn't a hunt. these ranches need shut down. anyone wanna murder a grizzly or a exotic from africa? call texas. texas imports exotics for muder. call ted. other states do this as well. in most states i would believe exotic murder ranches are illegal.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
a small wikileaks cache worth of evidence has been presented and the conclusion is obvious.
the man gets off on having sex with underage girls. this is illegal, yet somehow is kosher with some people on here.
the man does not engage anything or anyone that might harm him while defending itself. he is pro war but refused to fight. this is cowardice. somehow it is ok with some people on here.
he gets off on killing things.
both legally and illegally.
the posters who are defending nugent in this thread also tried to defend zimmerman in the trayvon martin thread by saying the same things. that they were trying to understand him.
it is just a feeble attempt to try to justify and validate ted nugent's actions. to me there is no defending nugent. in my opinion if you are not against his actions, then by default you support them.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
wait a minute... nugent has sexually been with 13 and 14 year old girls? this is a fact?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
but I can not judge others for being hunters. 15 years ago but not anymore.
Judging others is really wrong, it is simple to me.
i cannot even type up a responce. i don't even know what to do
at this very moment i cannot even move really.
my mouth is open and in awe
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/04/1 ... ed-Nugent-
You have friends that are big game trophy hunters?
well that shows how open minded you are. It is not for you
but you can say to each their own.
Ted is not a friend but I can do the same for him like I would other's choices.
As I mentioned about the thrill of the hunt/kill, I can't relate,
it is not a defense, it is fact.
Neither is comparing it to the general excitement some people feel
through other violence.
It is a matter of fact statement not defense.
I am unbiased when it coms to Ted which from the start in many threads is not true for others.
I am ok with hunting if within legal boundaries which I have mentioned alot
but not for myself. Just cause I won't do it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
Some here have debated without that, assuming we should only encourage what
is right for own selves,
this obvious by the numerous times I have been asked if I could do it :?
Creepy. I can't say I can really believe Courtney Love but the fact that there was no comment back from Nugent and that the thread for it was deleted is highly suspicious to me.
i need a meat lover's pizza, a gallon of pink lemonade, 4 cup cakes, a gallon of honey, a truck load of gravel, 14 fantastic pornographic magazines, a industrial tub of go-to-town lubrication, and a bucket of sand
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
.... yet you approve/condone the unscrupulous killing of animals for no other reason that to fulfill some sick ego trip, the rarer/bigger the animal, the better the 'decoration'? Something doesn't quite sound right here. Or maybe it's just because spiders don't make good trophies that they are worth 'relocating'...
I get it about the judging. I'm no saint and I'm sure others might determine some of my actions are/were unaccepatble, but that's not necessarily saying that "Markin Ball" is bad. I'm not asking you to judge anyone as a person. I'm asking how you about their behavior. You find that judging is wrong as a behavior? How can you find trophy hunting to be an acceptable behavior?
"With our thoughts we make the world"
Pandora, I really think that is a great way to live for some people (to not judge). And I commend you for that. And I am not trying to offend...but I only judge Nugent or other trophy hunters because I don't think the victims are able to stand up for themselves. And it is simply my natural response to feel sickened by these actions -- so I speak up. I'll be the first to admit, I came in with a bias, because it sickens me, people who shit where they live and don't care for certain things.
Yes, I'd actually like to go back on one thing -- I don't have friends that do trophy hunting...I have acquaintances. I've honestly never met a person who does trophy hunting that has enough in common with me to call them a friend.
That makes sense... I guess. I mean, It's pretty easy to scoop up a spider in your hands and toss him out into the ivy.
I suppose it would be a lot tougher with White Rhinos or Snow Leopards in the bathroom sink. Kind of hard to carry them to the front door.
Hail, Hail!!!
Made some red velvet and some lavender ones this afternoon. Will have one of each to your health! Not sure about the rest of your 'needs' though!
Mmmmm... looks delicious!
Hail, Hail!!!
"Where is the rest of this Moose?"