Nugent pleads guilty over illegal bear killing

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  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    some people have heads on their walls, yes/no?

    i am guessing some 10c members here have heads displayed fully in their houses

    maybe their kids believe its a good idea and had a white tail buck deer stuffed

    my head is spinning for answer as to why this act is supported to death
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pandora wrote:
    I am not asking for your reasons on why you don't oppose those persons that trophy hunt, I am asking you what your rationale is for not being "opposed to (the act of) trophy hunting".
    I accept trophy hunters therefore I accept what they do ... yes?
    if it is within the law.

    Because I would not conceive doing it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    you support rhino trophies and the murder of elephant

    this is what you are saying, yes/no?
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    chadwick wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    murdering a polar bear for its pelt is the exact equivalent as a person who murderers other humans and why not throw in child molester. yep i will throw that in there too.

    a bear killer is the exact equivalent as a child molester as is the mountain lion killer the exact equal of that of a rapist

    this is where you lose me though Chad... and have repeatedly

    A hunter, not a poacher, does not have motives like this.
    Of course some hunters may be despicable
    but you put every hunter into the same category without knowing anything about them.
    and lump them with killers and child molesters :?

    That is unfair, its also exactly what I did 15 years ago.

    You do this to many humans, those unlike yourself, as many people do, as I did.
    A do as I do , a think as I think ... attitude. Remember there are exceptions to the rule
    and we can not know what is in the heart.

    Freeing yourself of that helps one learn about others and love them unconditionally
    and come to terms with the fact each of us have to learn from our mistakes.
    i never put every 'hunter' in the same catergory ever in my life

    you do not follow what i write at all. i do not know how many times i need to spell it out for you
    say what :? it was your last quote... you did not differentiate between hunters
    I highlighted maybe you can tell me then which hunters are these that are murderers
    rapists and child molesters :? I think they might want to know.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    I am not asking for your reasons on why you don't oppose those persons that trophy hunt, I am asking you what your rationale is for not being "opposed to (the act of) trophy hunting".
    I accept trophy hunters therefore I accept what they do ... yes?
    if it is within the law.

    Because I would not conceive doing it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    So... following this logic and going with 'shock tactics' again.... you accept and do not judge a child rapist (because that's what they are) AND you also condone/do not oppose the ACT of raping this child? Note: naturally, I know this act is against the law.
  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Let me add this:
    To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
    Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
    ...
    Personally, I don't.
    I hold her responsible for her actions.
    It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
    Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?
    Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
    Hail, Hail!!!
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I am not asking for your reasons on why you don't oppose those persons that trophy hunt, I am asking you what your rationale is for not being "opposed to (the act of) trophy hunting".
    I accept trophy hunters therefore I accept what they do ... yes?
    if it is within the law.

    Because I would not conceive doing it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    So... following this logic and going with 'shock tactics' again.... you accept and do not judge a child rapist (because that's what they are) AND you also condone/do not oppose the ACT of raping this child? Note: naturally, I know this act is against the law.
    :? huh that is not all what I said
    you must be missing what it is I accept ... why?
    In line with the topic though ...
    I am going to research the laws pertaining to trophy hunting and if my perception
    of it is correct ... I have seen some when we went out to Yellowstone and the Tetons ...
    big game trophies that is. There is much history I believe behind the sport.
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    I accept trophy hunters therefore I accept what they do ... yes?
    if it is within the law.

    Because I would not conceive doing it doesn't mean others shouldn't.
    So... following this logic and going with 'shock tactics' again.... you accept and do not judge a child rapist (because that's what they are) AND you also condone/do not oppose the ACT of raping this child? Note: naturally, I know this act is against the law.
    :? huh that is not all what I said
    you must be missing what it is I accept ... why?
    I don' think I'm missing anything. There is no 'why?' I need to answer. It's all in my response, if you cared to read it (unless you don' understand it, though I think I made myself clear. Maybe someone else can explain if they want to be bothered. )

    You don't oppose the ACT of killing an animal to satisfy some egocentric need, therefore condoning this ACT. An act is not a person.

    Good luck on your research. I'm sure you will find exactly what you wish to find.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    :? huh that is not all what I said
    you must be missing what it is I accept ... why?
    I don' think I'm missing anything. You don't oppose the ACT of killing an animal to satisfy some egocentric need, therefore condoning this ACT.

    Good luck on your research. I'm sure you will find exactly what you wish to find.
    what you are missing of course is that I would accept your analogy,
    it is incorrect
    Thank you ... I am looking forward to learning more on the subject
    in an unbiased manner.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    redrock wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I don' think I'm missing anything. You don't oppose the ACT of killing an animal to satisfy some egocentric need, therefore condoning this ACT.

    Good luck on your research. I'm sure you will find exactly what you wish to find.
    again there is nothing to research, nothing to study, nothing to ponder, nothing to debate yada yada yada...

    either you are against the type of "hunting", errmm, poaching done by nugent, or you support it. i think we all know who supports it and who is against it...this thread makes that abundently clear.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • redrockredrock Posts: 18,341
    I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    again there is nothing to research, nothing to study, nothing to ponder, nothing to debate yada yada yada...

    either you are against the type of "hunting", errmm, poaching done by nugent, or you support it. i think we all know who supports it and who is against it...this thread makes that abundently clear.

    no I was speaking of Trophy hunting in general
    I would like to understand the laws the people have created and understand if I know exactly
    what it encompasses. I would like to know more of the history also.

    Either you are for or against this type of hunting ...why I will research the sport.

    I think it will remain to be seen poaching but I will also research that ...

    I know you are opposed you said to all hunting
    that animals have souls, why you are a vegetarian,
    bless your heart.... that is a beautiful commitment to your personal values.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I have a feeling this thread will be locked also...because some KIDS don't play well with others.. :lol:
    lets all have a BBQ someday... :lol:

    Godfather.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited April 2012
    poaching
    present participle of poach (Verb)
    Verb:

    1. Cook (an egg), without its shell, in or over boiling water.
    2. Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or is under official protection.



    Trophy hunting
    Web definitions

    Trophy hunting is the selective hunting of wild game animals. While parts of the slain animal may be kept as a hunting trophy or memorial (usually the skin, antlers and/or head), the carcass itself is sometimes used as food.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_hunting

    (Trophy hunts) hunting endangered species, usually by rich people, to add to their collection of other slaughtered, endangered species.

    redglitterx.wordpress.com/dictionary/
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    redrock wrote:
    I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
    yeah not really getting that... sorry :?

    I just know some keep calling hunters rapists murderers and child molesters
    makes me go huh :?:

    that seems incredibly judgmental and unforgiving and I can't see that anolgy
    and I'm thinking the hunters wouldn't either maybe.

    Quite an insult to 2 million people in our country alone :(
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Godfather. wrote:
    I have a feeling this thread will be locked also...because some KIDS don't play well with others.. :lol:
    lets all have a BBQ someday... :lol:

    Godfather.
    I love a BBQ! :wave:

    So far everyone is pretty civil :D
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    poaching
    present participle of poach (Verb)
    Verb:

    1. Cook (an egg), without its shell, in or over boiling water.
    2. Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or is under official protection.



    Trophy hunting
    Web definitions

    Trophy hunting is the selective hunting of wild game animals. While parts of the slain animal may be kept as a hunting trophy or memorial (usually the skin, antlers and/or head), the carcass itself is sometimes used as food.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_hunting

    (Trophy hunts) hunting endangered species, usually by rich people, to add to their collection of other slaughtered, endangered species.

    redglitterx.wordpress.com/dictionary/
    thanks
    there's a start

    but why would the law allow the rich to hunt for endangered animals?

    now see I thought it would be illegal to do that!
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
    yeah not really getting that... sorry :?

    I just know some keep calling hunters rapists murderers and child molesters
    makes me go huh :?:

    that seems incredibly judgmental and unforgiving and I can't see that anolgy
    and I'm thinking the hunters wouldn't either maybe.

    Quite an insult to 2 million people in our country alone :(

    Because humans are so superior to every other species, right? We should be able to kill and eat every other species because we're king of the world? Quite an insult to every other species in the kingdom. See my definitions above.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited April 2012
    pandora wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    poaching
    present participle of poach (Verb)
    Verb:

    1. Cook (an egg), without its shell, in or over boiling water.
    2. Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or is under official protection.



    Trophy hunting
    Web definitions

    Trophy hunting is the selective hunting of wild game animals. While parts of the slain animal may be kept as a hunting trophy or memorial (usually the skin, antlers and/or head), the carcass itself is sometimes used as food.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_hunting

    (Trophy hunts) hunting endangered species, usually by rich people, to add to their collection of other slaughtered, endangered species.

    redglitterx.wordpress.com/dictionary/
    thanks
    there's a start

    but why would the law allow the rich to hunt for endangered animals?

    now see I thought it would be illegal to do that!

    Who said it was legal? See the poaching definition. It depends on the animal killed, whether it's legal or not. However, seeing that you're always spouting your moral beliefs, to defend this lifestyle in this thread tells me one of two things.... you're simply too in the dark about what you're standing up for, or you're just taking the opposite side for sake of stirring the pot.
    Post edited by Jeanwah on
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DN4K-t1s ... re=related

    the Nuge for president.

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    pandora wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    poaching
    present participle of poach (Verb)
    Verb:

    1. Cook (an egg), without its shell, in or over boiling water.
    2. Illegally hunt or catch (game or fish) on land that is not one's own or is under official protection.



    Trophy hunting
    Web definitions

    Trophy hunting is the selective hunting of wild game animals. While parts of the slain animal may be kept as a hunting trophy or memorial (usually the skin, antlers and/or head), the carcass itself is sometimes used as food.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trophy_hunting

    (Trophy hunts) hunting endangered species, usually by rich people, to add to their collection of other slaughtered, endangered species.

    redglitterx.wordpress.com/dictionary/
    thanks
    there's a start

    but why would the law allow the rich to hunt for endangered animals?

    now see I thought it would be illegal to do that!

    Who said it was legal? See the poaching definition. Duh, Pandora.
    So all trophy hunting is illegal? I am speaking of big game hunting

    so big game is different than trophy... I thought that would be interchangeable

    I know you cant help your sweet self but no need to need rude ;):lol:
    hope that is not considered insulting behavior
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    see my post again. I had edited out to *try* to not to be rude.
  • mikalinamikalina Posts: 7,206
    Ted Nugent is touring this summer with REO Speedwagon and Styx....

    He is getting alot of well needed attention right now.... :)
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  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Godfather. wrote:
    I didn't watch all that but a bit when I was searching earlier
    he has some outstanding views ... I had no idea

    this I posted in my closed thread ... I guess I can here now

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_QjEL0uUgo this was great!
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    mikalina wrote:
    Ted Nugent is touring this summer with REO Speedwagon and Styx....

    He is getting alot of well needed attention right now.... :)
    Yes I thought of that ... :lol:

    he's got 44 concert dates :shock: that's alot

    Sounds like a great show!
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Let me add this:
    To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
    Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
    ...
    Personally, I don't.
    I hold her responsible for her actions.
    It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
    Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related

    enjoy ya'll

    Godfather.
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Jeanwah wrote:
    see my post again. I had edited out to *try* to not to be rude.
    really well ok :lol:

    funny stuff that is :? got to keep a sense of humor in life :D

    that and enjoy the :corn:
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    I've been eating the popcorn the whole time you and Godfather are stirring everyone else up. You really think we're stupid or something? :lol::lol: :nono:
  • pandorapandora Posts: 21,855
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Let me add this:
    To those whom support Ted Nugent's actions and excuse his draft dodging as youthful indiscretion...
    Do you feel the same way towards Jane Fonda in the Viet Nam era?
    ...
    Personally, I don't.
    I hold her responsible for her actions.
    It is one thing to protest the war on college campuses and try to effect a change in policy towards Indo-China... it's a completely a different thing to go to Hanoi and be a guest of the nation we are in armed conflict with. I would feel the same way if Sean Penn, for example, were to have gone to Afghanistan as a guest of Usama bin Laden.
    Do your excuses cross political lines... or is your opinion/support strictly partisan?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4APaynT1 ... re=related

    enjoy ya'll

    Godfather.
    thanks I'll take a look tomorrow ...
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    pandora wrote:
    redrock wrote:
    I was obviously wrong in thinking my analogy would be clearer in showing the difference between 'accepting' (not judging) a person as it would seem one cannot understand certain mindsets and accepting/condoning/not opposing the reprehensible ACT this person may have committed.
    yeah not really getting that... sorry :?

    I just know some keep calling hunters rapists murderers and child molesters
    makes me go huh :?:

    that seems incredibly judgmental and unforgiving and I can't see that anolgy
    and I'm thinking the hunters wouldn't either maybe.

    Quite an insult to 2 million people in our country alone :(
    raping the land and wildlife with sick twisted acts such a blowing a hole through a rhino's lungs blasting the beasts last breath and organs all over the earth for a bunk ass piece of garbage's collection of slaughtered animals.
    that is rape and murder of both ground and animal and everything incredible in this life.

    it is not that difficult to follow, pandora
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
  • chadwickchadwick up my ass Posts: 21,157
    whale murder is a solid rape against the earth and sea. this man does to this day. it is not hard to follow

    gorilla been murdered by the thousands for what? for things such as gorilla hand ashtrays.

    leopard pelts is the rape of big cat lives and a complete disrepect for mother earth through the molestation of wildlife.

    how fucking many more descriptive horrorific examples do i need to give?

    "do not be naive in this life" - Larry H. Krueger
    that's my dad. he used to tell me that all day long
    365 days a year
    for poetry through the ceiling. ISBN: 1 4241 8840 7

    "Hear me, my chiefs!
    I am tired; my heart is
    sick and sad. From where
    the sun stands I will fight
    no more forever."

    Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
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