Nugent pleads guilty over illegal bear killing

Godfather.

well...I'm not Hindu and I eat beef. how about you ? and given the opertunity I would have dinner with the Nugent Family and eat zebra bear elephant or t.v dinners I have eaten squirle ...really pretty good it's all dark meat and baisted in peach juice and pepper over a open camp fire it was the best !...but Ill tell ya what I can't stand and thats duck or lamb....too friggin oily but as the Nuge sez "if you kill it..grill it "

Godfather.

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

fuck it. open season on every creature walking is that what you want? blow em up and grill the rest. we humans can and will and should murder everything in our crosshairs in the name of trophies and grub and to satisfy our own despicable thirst for blood at the thoughtlessness of the lives we are taking to hang on a wall.

go get em brave people. go get em.

so your a vegan?

no i am no vegan but i do not shoot wolves and zebra and elephants though either. is there a limit to what we humans will do or do we have the rights to murder all creatures?

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

fuck it. open season on every creature walking is that what you want? blow em up and grill the rest. we humans can and will and should murder everything in our crosshairs in the name of trophies and grub and to satisfy our own despicable thirst for blood at the thoughtlessness of the lives we are taking to hang on a wall.

go get em brave people. go get em.

so your a vegan?

no i am no vegan but i do not shoot wolves and zebra and elephants though either. is there a limit to what we humans will do or do we have the rights to murder all creatures?

the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...

pandora

hedonist wrote:

I have to say that this thread has been a difficult one for me to follow. While I'm with Ted on some issues, much of what I've learned about him lately has made me take pause and rethink.

Don't believe everything you hear ... most is hearsay

Like I have said I'm in no position to judge. I did wrongly judge other hunters in the past,
no one can crawl into another's heart and know what motivates each and everyone,
it is a guess at best so why do it?
I learned to give people the benefit of the doubt, my slate isn't clean, I would hope people
would do that for me.

I feel to each their own.

As I said earlier I relocate spiders ... don't kill, I am no hunter
but I am also not a vegetarian anymore.
For me I feel, its important to find one's own values and follow them
and let others do the same without badgering and criticizing.

chadwick

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

lukin2006

chadwick wrote:

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?

that's true too. i don't murder chickens, pigs and cows and parrots to stuff and hang on my wall and i don't run around making films of my kills running at the mouth about my love for guns and act like a dickless pukebag

chadwick

lukin2006 wrote:

the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...

just because some countries eat horse doesn't mean its cool and i have to accept it. i think eating horse meat is for assholes and extremely poor people who may be starving to death.

g under p

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

the you really don't have much room to talk...you are deciding what is a majestic animal...I find horses to be be amazing animals, very majestic, very powerful and so on...but many countries consume this animal...

just because some countries eat horse doesn't mean its cool and i have to accept it. i think eating horse meat is for assholes and extremely poor people who may be starving to death.

Chadwick I hear ya as i've been trying to follow this thread. I'm for those who want to hunt for food it's their right to do so to survive. Many in Africa have no other choice but for those who choose to hunt to put it on a wall I think is rather pointless but if they get a thrill for such a thing and it's legal well more power to them.

For myself I'm a vegetarian now going on two years for the second time and i'm at peace with it. I'm the healthest I've been in years and I'm working towards becoming a vegan but one step at a time. As for Nugent if he's hunting and it's legal then fine but when he's doing so just for the thrill of the kill and it's illegal why would anyone think something is right about that I'll never know.

Peace everybody.

redrock

This thread is going down into silliness. One can discuss the ethics of sports hunting and illegal hunting (which is different to raising animals for food) or one can 'do a Nugent' and say that those who eat salad are animal killers worse than 'hunters'. If one wants to discuss chickens and turkeys and raised cattle (general meat eating vs vegetarians), this could be done in a different thread. A valid discussion as well as true vegetarians will probably see the killing of animal for food (at least in our society where we have choices) just as bad.

If one does not care for our planet, our wildlife that is disappearing (up to 10,000 species per year - mass extinction due to humans and not geological/meteorological issues), our children only seeing rhinos, big cats, etc. in books or old photos, it's a sad reflection of our society.

Wildlife does not need to be exotic either, though some of these exotic species have been 'trophy hunted' to extinction or near extinction. What does this tell people when one can purchase a 'hunting experience' where, along your 'normal' deer, etc., exotic animals - some extinct in the wild, some considered critically endangered and others vulnerable - are offered for the 'hunt'? Just for some person to be able to stuff an animal that none of his neighbours may have. A trophy reflecting what exactly? Animals are 'there', rounded up, baited. Shooting skills? Can be done at a shooting range, no need to kill for the thrill. I guess that's the word - thrill and 'power'.

Below are the kind of animals offered. Some may be familiar, most aren't to the average person. As we are speaking of Nugent and he seems to be a 'spokesperson' for this type of activity, a while back there was a sweepstake of some sort to win a birthday bash with Nugent at this ranch - hunting and partying with him. Also, whilst we are on the subject of sports/trophy hunting, I seem to remember that this same person, a few years back, sold a number of his 'trophies' as he was moving house (he was generous and autographed them all too!). These included a rhino head - a critically endangered species.


EXOTICS:
Aoudad
Axis
Bison
Blackbuck Antelope
Black Hawaiian Sheep
Catalina
Corsican Sheep
Elk
Fallow Deer
Four Horn Sheep
Mouflon
Nilgai
Red Stag (Mgmt.)
Red Stag (Trophy)
Sika
Texas Dall Sheep


SUPER EXOTICS:
Addax
Beisa Oryx
Dama Gazelle
Dybowski Sika
Eland
Gemsbok
Himalayan Tahr
Kudu
Pere David Deer
Red Sheep
Scimitar-Horned Oryx
Springbok
Waterbuck
Wildebeest

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

chadwick wrote:

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

What about the cows, pigs, fish, chickens, turkeys....etc, etc?

that's true too. i don't murder chickens, pigs and cows and parrots to stuff and hang on my wall and i don't run around making films of my kills running at the mouth about my love for guns and act like a dickless pukebag

ahhh ok.. so long as we kill in the dark and don't talk about it then it's ok ? we are the dominate species right ?

Godfather.

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

I was just thinking about this...
I thought about those who have lived an entire lifetime without knowing the love
of a pet :shock: for me that is inconceivable but for them it is right, they feel
they are missing nothing.
Should I judge those who choose not to love dogs or who are afraid of them?
Those who choose to hate cats or think snakes are grotesque?

It is the same situation, in that it not up to me to choose another's values nor tell
them what they should do in their life. I manage my own. This is all I can do.

Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that. I have gotten involved in animal abuse issues but that is not
what this thread is about.

It is about big game hunting and as I have said I will not judge another simply because
they are hunters. I have valid personal reasons, I have done so in my life
and been very wrong. You can not judge a heart by this alone and no one can know
another's motives nor what drives them individually.

redrock

pandora wrote:

Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that.

:?: Has anyone been talking about abusing pets? I don't think so.

pandora

redrock wrote:

pandora wrote:

Hunting animals within the law is entirely different than abusing a pet, I think we
can all agree on that.

:?: Has anyone been talking about abusing pets? I don't think so.

Chad just questioned me about it ...

chadwick

pandora,
who will stick up for the elephants and bears that are murdered? do you run and hide when things you dislike happen to dogs? what about those who eat dogs? do you open your heart to them as i know you are a dog lover?

gimmesometruth27

here is the difference between normal people and ted nugent....

first thought when seeing this animal in the wild.....




normal person......

"wow, look at that beautiful white lion. how awesome is that?"



ted nugent...

"wow look at that beautiful white lion....i need to get my gun and make it dead....YEEE HAW!!!"

gimmesometruth27

here is a rhino that has been poached. i spared you all the pictures of the ones with the horns savagely cut off...




normal person...

"oh my god, how awful! what have we allowed to happen here?"

ted nugent...

"trophy....he should have run faster...."

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is a rhino that has been poached. i spared you all the pictures of the ones with the horns savagely cut off...




normal person...

"oh my god, how awful! what have we allowed to happen here?"

ted nugent...

"trophy....he should have run faster...."

These pics reveal only your feelings about Ted
you are assuming Ted is in favor of illegal big game hunting and poaching :?
that is a huge assumption and my assumption from that comes ...
you are biased.

I would be inclined to presume from my lack of bias that
Ted respects animals, life and the hunt as many other hunters do.

lukin2006

I never heard that Ted Nugent was in support of poaching...any facts to back that up.

A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.

Godfather.

lukin2006 wrote:

I never heard that Ted Nugent was in support of poaching...any facts to back that up.

A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.

I think some train members resort to the extream and even....a little white lie to make a point, I looked and didn't see The NUGE in any of those pictures.

Godfather.

lukin2006

Godfather. wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I never heard that Ted Nugent was in support of poaching...any facts to back that up.

A lot of people big game hunt in Africa...legally...I've never heard of Nugent hunting illegally in Africa.

I think some train members resort to the extream and even....a little white lie to make a point, I looked and didn't see The NUGE in any of those pictures.

Godfather.

Unfortunately that seems to be true...hunting is a perfectly legal activity...unless a person is a vegan, we do not have much room to talk...why can't people see that.