Nugent pleads guilty over illegal bear killing

CH156378

http://www.cnn.com/2012/04/21/justice/a ... ?hpt=hp_t3

I am glad to see Ted accepting responsibility for his actinos.



Additionally, according to the agreement, Nugent agreed to create a public service announcement that promotes the importance of a person's responsibility in knowing the rules and regulations of their hunting activities.

pandora

2009 :?

the timing to settle this certainly says something about our government
anywho something good comes from it

CH156378

good point :fp:

gimmesometruth27

here is another article on it.

what a piece of human excrement...

Ted Nugent agrees to plead guilty in illegal kill

http://charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id ... 3E&ps=1016

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Rocker and wildlife hunter Ted Nugent has agreed to plead guilty to transporting a black bear he illegally killed in southeast Alaska.

Nugent made the admission in signing a plea agreement with federal prosecutors that was filed Friday in U.S. District Court.

Calls seeking comment from Nugent, his Anchorage attorney, Wayne Anthony Ross, and assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Schmidt were not immediately returned.

The plea agreement says Nugent illegally shot and killed the bear in May 2009 on Sukkwan Island days after wounding a bear in a bow hunt, which counted toward a state seasonal limit of one bear.

According to the agreement, first reported by the Anchorage Daily News, the six-day hunt was filmed for his Outdoor Channel television show, "Spirit of the Wild." In the hunt, Nugent used a number of bear-baiting sites on U.S. Forest Service property, according to the agreement.

The document says Nugent knowingly possessed and transported the bear in misdemeanor violation of the federal Lacey Act.

Nugent, identified in the agreement as Theodore A. Nugent, agreed to pay a $10,000 fine, according to the agreement, which says he also agreed with a two-year probation, including a special condition that he not hunt or fish in Alaska or Forest Service properties for one year. He also agreed to create a public service announcement that would be broadcast on his show every second week for one year, the document states.

"This PSA will discuss the importance of a hunter's responsibility in knowing the rules and regulations of the hunting activities that they engage in, which is subject to the review and final approval, prior to any broadcast, by a representative of the United States Attorney's Office in the District of Alaska," the agreement says.

Nugent, who signed the document April 14, also agreed to pay the state $600 for the bear that was taken illegally, according to the agreement. He would still need to enter the plea in court and have the plea be approved by a judge.

Nugent — a conservative activist famed for his 1977 hit "Cat Scratch Fever" — drew the attention of the Secret Service after he rallied support last weekend for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and said of the Obama administration: "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November." His comments were made during a National Rifle Association meeting in St. Louis.

Nugent said on his website Thursday that he discussed the matter with two agents on Thursday while in Oklahoma.

"The meeting could not have gone better," he said. "I thanked them for their service, we shook hands and went about our business. God bless the good federal agents wherever they may be."

Nugent said he was just speaking figuratively and that he didn't threaten anyone's life or advocate violence.

"Metaphors needn't be explained to educated people," he said.

A Secret Service spokesman has said the issue has been resolved.

With hunting, Nugent has run afoul of the law before.

In August 2010, California revoked Nugent's deer hunting license after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of deer-baiting and not having a properly signed tag.

Nugent's loss of that deer hunting license through June 2012 allows 34 other states to revoke the same privilege under the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact. Each state, however, can interpret and enforce the agreement differently.

chadwick

only a true piece of garbage kills bears. ted should be beat down with a giant crowbar across both his feet.

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is another article on it.

what a piece of human excrement...

Ted Nugent agrees to plead guilty in illegal kill

http://charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id ... 3E&ps=1016

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Rocker and wildlife hunter Ted Nugent has agreed to plead guilty to transporting a black bear he illegally killed in southeast Alaska.

Nugent made the admission in signing a plea agreement with federal prosecutors that was filed Friday in U.S. District Court.

Calls seeking comment from Nugent, his Anchorage attorney, Wayne Anthony Ross, and assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Schmidt were not immediately returned.

The plea agreement says Nugent illegally shot and killed the bear in May 2009 on Sukkwan Island days after wounding a bear in a bow hunt, which counted toward a state seasonal limit of one bear.

According to the agreement, first reported by the Anchorage Daily News, the six-day hunt was filmed for his Outdoor Channel television show, "Spirit of the Wild." In the hunt, Nugent used a number of bear-baiting sites on U.S. Forest Service property, according to the agreement.

The document says Nugent knowingly possessed and transported the bear in misdemeanor violation of the federal Lacey Act.

Nugent, identified in the agreement as Theodore A. Nugent, agreed to pay a $10,000 fine, according to the agreement, which says he also agreed with a two-year probation, including a special condition that he not hunt or fish in Alaska or Forest Service properties for one year. He also agreed to create a public service announcement that would be broadcast on his show every second week for one year, the document states.

"This PSA will discuss the importance of a hunter's responsibility in knowing the rules and regulations of the hunting activities that they engage in, which is subject to the review and final approval, prior to any broadcast, by a representative of the United States Attorney's Office in the District of Alaska," the agreement says.

Nugent, who signed the document April 14, also agreed to pay the state $600 for the bear that was taken illegally, according to the agreement. He would still need to enter the plea in court and have the plea be approved by a judge.

Nugent — a conservative activist famed for his 1977 hit "Cat Scratch Fever" — drew the attention of the Secret Service after he rallied support last weekend for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and said of the Obama administration: "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November." His comments were made during a National Rifle Association meeting in St. Louis.

Nugent said on his website Thursday that he discussed the matter with two agents on Thursday while in Oklahoma.

"The meeting could not have gone better," he said. "I thanked them for their service, we shook hands and went about our business. God bless the good federal agents wherever they may be."

Nugent said he was just speaking figuratively and that he didn't threaten anyone's life or advocate violence.

"Metaphors needn't be explained to educated people," he said.

A Secret Service spokesman has said the issue has been resolved.

With hunting, Nugent has run afoul of the law before.

In August 2010, California revoked Nugent's deer hunting license after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of deer-baiting and not having a properly signed tag.

Nugent's loss of that deer hunting license through June 2012 allows 34 other states to revoke the same privilege under the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact. Each state, however, can interpret and enforce the agreement differently.

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is another article on it.

what a piece of human excrement...

Ted Nugent agrees to plead guilty in illegal kill

http://charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id ... 3E&ps=1016

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Rocker and wildlife hunter Ted Nugent has agreed to plead guilty to transporting a black bear he illegally killed in southeast Alaska.

Nugent made the admission in signing a plea agreement with federal prosecutors that was filed Friday in U.S. District Court.

Calls seeking comment from Nugent, his Anchorage attorney, Wayne Anthony Ross, and assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Schmidt were not immediately returned.

The plea agreement says Nugent illegally shot and killed the bear in May 2009 on Sukkwan Island days after wounding a bear in a bow hunt, which counted toward a state seasonal limit of one bear.

According to the agreement, first reported by the Anchorage Daily News, the six-day hunt was filmed for his Outdoor Channel television show, "Spirit of the Wild." In the hunt, Nugent used a number of bear-baiting sites on U.S. Forest Service property, according to the agreement.

The document says Nugent knowingly possessed and transported the bear in misdemeanor violation of the federal Lacey Act.

Nugent, identified in the agreement as Theodore A. Nugent, agreed to pay a $10,000 fine, according to the agreement, which says he also agreed with a two-year probation, including a special condition that he not hunt or fish in Alaska or Forest Service properties for one year. He also agreed to create a public service announcement that would be broadcast on his show every second week for one year, the document states.

"This PSA will discuss the importance of a hunter's responsibility in knowing the rules and regulations of the hunting activities that they engage in, which is subject to the review and final approval, prior to any broadcast, by a representative of the United States Attorney's Office in the District of Alaska," the agreement says.

Nugent, who signed the document April 14, also agreed to pay the state $600 for the bear that was taken illegally, according to the agreement. He would still need to enter the plea in court and have the plea be approved by a judge.

Nugent — a conservative activist famed for his 1977 hit "Cat Scratch Fever" — drew the attention of the Secret Service after he rallied support last weekend for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and said of the Obama administration: "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November." His comments were made during a National Rifle Association meeting in St. Louis.

Nugent said on his website Thursday that he discussed the matter with two agents on Thursday while in Oklahoma.

"The meeting could not have gone better," he said. "I thanked them for their service, we shook hands and went about our business. God bless the good federal agents wherever they may be."

Nugent said he was just speaking figuratively and that he didn't threaten anyone's life or advocate violence.

"Metaphors needn't be explained to educated people," he said.

A Secret Service spokesman has said the issue has been resolved.

With hunting, Nugent has run afoul of the law before.

In August 2010, California revoked Nugent's deer hunting license after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of deer-baiting and not having a properly signed tag.

Nugent's loss of that deer hunting license through June 2012 allows 34 other states to revoke the same privilege under the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact. Each state, however, can interpret and enforce the agreement differently.

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

don't you stick up for animals, godfather, animals that aren't food at that? baiting and killing a black bear means nothing at all to you, godfather?

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

here is another article on it.

what a piece of human excrement...

Ted Nugent agrees to plead guilty in illegal kill

http://charter.net/news/read.php?rip_id ... 3E&ps=1016

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — Rocker and wildlife hunter Ted Nugent has agreed to plead guilty to transporting a black bear he illegally killed in southeast Alaska.

Nugent made the admission in signing a plea agreement with federal prosecutors that was filed Friday in U.S. District Court.

Calls seeking comment from Nugent, his Anchorage attorney, Wayne Anthony Ross, and assistant U.S. Attorney Jack Schmidt were not immediately returned.

The plea agreement says Nugent illegally shot and killed the bear in May 2009 on Sukkwan Island days after wounding a bear in a bow hunt, which counted toward a state seasonal limit of one bear.

According to the agreement, first reported by the Anchorage Daily News, the six-day hunt was filmed for his Outdoor Channel television show, "Spirit of the Wild." In the hunt, Nugent used a number of bear-baiting sites on U.S. Forest Service property, according to the agreement.

The document says Nugent knowingly possessed and transported the bear in misdemeanor violation of the federal Lacey Act.

Nugent, identified in the agreement as Theodore A. Nugent, agreed to pay a $10,000 fine, according to the agreement, which says he also agreed with a two-year probation, including a special condition that he not hunt or fish in Alaska or Forest Service properties for one year. He also agreed to create a public service announcement that would be broadcast on his show every second week for one year, the document states.

"This PSA will discuss the importance of a hunter's responsibility in knowing the rules and regulations of the hunting activities that they engage in, which is subject to the review and final approval, prior to any broadcast, by a representative of the United States Attorney's Office in the District of Alaska," the agreement says.

Nugent, who signed the document April 14, also agreed to pay the state $600 for the bear that was taken illegally, according to the agreement. He would still need to enter the plea in court and have the plea be approved by a judge.

Nugent — a conservative activist famed for his 1977 hit "Cat Scratch Fever" — drew the attention of the Secret Service after he rallied support last weekend for Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and said of the Obama administration: "We need to ride into that battlefield and chop their heads off in November." His comments were made during a National Rifle Association meeting in St. Louis.

Nugent said on his website Thursday that he discussed the matter with two agents on Thursday while in Oklahoma.

"The meeting could not have gone better," he said. "I thanked them for their service, we shook hands and went about our business. God bless the good federal agents wherever they may be."

Nugent said he was just speaking figuratively and that he didn't threaten anyone's life or advocate violence.

"Metaphors needn't be explained to educated people," he said.

A Secret Service spokesman has said the issue has been resolved.

With hunting, Nugent has run afoul of the law before.

In August 2010, California revoked Nugent's deer hunting license after he pleaded no contest to misdemeanor charges of deer-baiting and not having a properly signed tag.

Nugent's loss of that deer hunting license through June 2012 allows 34 other states to revoke the same privilege under the Interstate Wildlife Violator Compact. Each state, however, can interpret and enforce the agreement differently.

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

don't you stick up for animals, godfather, animals that aren't food at that? baiting and killing a black bear means nothing at all to you, godfather?

that's not it bro, the thing is that this forum has gone into attack mode and they get themselfs all hot and frothy while Ted is enjoying life and without knowing how the train feels about him or even cares..who wins ?
it's just gone a little over the edge in my opinion.

Godfather.

mickeyrat

so Mr. Law and Order conservative likes to break the laws as he sees fit. NICE!!!!!


GF? dont you get worked up a bit about a president you've never met?

chadwick

godfather, you get riled up about shit that means nothing, correct? when a majestic beast is murdered in cold blood i am pissed! nugent stuffs the creatures and they are revered as trophies hanging on his walls or elsewhere

this is despicable

Bronx Bombers

Speaking of despicable




Each year, more than 10,000 live animals are shot, stabbed, mutilated, and killed in horrific military training exercises that are supposed to simulate injuries on the battlefield. 

But the training exercises that are taking place in these highly secret courses bear no resemblance to real battlefield conditions—and they don't help soldiers save the lives of their injured comrades. 

In disturbing, never-before-seen undercover video footage leaked to PETA showing a Coast Guard training course in Virginia Beach, Virginia, instructors with a company called Tier 1 Group, which was hired by the military, are seen breaking and cutting off the limbs of live goats with tree trimmers, stabbing the animals, and pulling out their internal organs. Goats moan and kick their legs during the mutilations—signs that they had not received adequate anesthesia. 

During this cruel exercise, one Tier 1 Group instructor is heard cheerfully whistling on the video as he cuts off goats' legs and a Coast Guard participant callously jokes about writing songs about mutilating the animals. 

Later in the day, according to the distraught whistleblower who came to PETA, goats were shot in the face with pistols and were hacked apart with an ax while still alive.  

Cruel exercises like these continue regularly across the U.S. even though most civilian facilities and many military facilities have already replaced animal laboratories with superior lifelike simulators that breathe, bleed, and even "die." 

The Army's own Rascon School of Combat Medicine at Fort Campbell does not use animals in its training program and has even publicly stated that "[t]raining on [simulators] is more realistic to providing care for a person than training on animals." The Air Force's Center for Sustainment of Trauma and Readiness Skills and the Navy Trauma Training Center also do not use animals to train soldiers. 

Department of Defense regulations actually require that alternatives to animals be used when available, but this policy is not being enforced. 

Unlike mutilating and killing animals, training on simulators allows medics and soldiers to practice on accurate anatomical models and repeat vital procedures until all trainees are confident and proficient. Studies show that medical care providers who learn trauma treatment using simulators are better prepared to treat injured patients than those who are trained using animals. A leading surgeon with the U.S. Army even candidly admitted in an internal e-mail obtained by PETA that "there still is no evidence that [training on animals] saves lives."

For all these reasons, the Battlefield Excellence through Superior Training (BEST) Practices Act (H.R. 1417), which would phase out the U.S. military's use of live animals in trauma training courses in favor of modern non-animal methods, has been introduced in Congress. 

Please help improve military training and spare the thousands of animals who are tormented each year in these cruel exercises by using the form below to send polite e-mails to U.S. Department of Defense officials urging them to take immediate action to comply with military regulations and completely replace the use of animals in military trauma training with superior non-animal training methods. 

https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?c ... on&id=4087

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

godfather, you get riled up about shit that means nothing, correct? when a majestic beast is murdered in cold blood i am pissed! nugent stuffs the creatures and they are revered as trophies hanging on his walls or elsewhere

this is despicable

ahhh the NUGE..KILL AND GRILL !...I think as time has passed here on the train I take a lot of the posting on here a lot less serious because no matter what we beliveve or understand someone on here knows better so lately I just get a good laugh out of most of it and try and respect other opinions...not every time but I try.

Godfather.

chadwick

Bronx Bombers wrote:

Speaking of despicable




Each year, more than 10,000 live animals are shot, stabbed, mutilated, and killed in horrific military training exercises that are supposed to simulate injuries on the battlefield. 

But the training exercises that are taking place in these highly secret courses bear no resemblance to real battlefield conditions—and they don't help soldiers save the lives of their injured comrades. 

In disturbing, never-before-seen undercover video footage leaked to PETA showing a Coast Guard training course in Virginia Beach, Virginia, instructors with a company called Tier 1 Group, which was hired by the military, are seen breaking and cutting off the limbs of live goats with tree trimmers, stabbing the animals, and pulling out their internal organs. Goats moan and kick their legs during the mutilations—signs that they had not received adequate anesthesia. 

During this cruel exercise, one Tier 1 Group instructor is heard cheerfully whistling on the video as he cuts off goats' legs and a Coast Guard participant callously jokes about writing songs about mutilating the animals. 

Later in the day, according to the distraught whistleblower who came to PETA, goats were shot in the face with pistols and were hacked apart with an ax while still alive.  

Cruel exercises like these continue regularly across the U.S. even though most civilian facilities and many military facilities have already replaced animal laboratories with superior lifelike simulators that breathe, bleed, and even "die." 

The Army's own Rascon School of Combat Medicine at Fort Campbell does not use animals in its training program and has even publicly stated that "[t]raining on [simulators] is more realistic to providing care for a person than training on animals." The Air Force's Center for Sustainment of Trauma and Readiness Skills and the Navy Trauma Training Center also do not use animals to train soldiers. 

Department of Defense regulations actually require that alternatives to animals be used when available, but this policy is not being enforced. 

Unlike mutilating and killing animals, training on simulators allows medics and soldiers to practice on accurate anatomical models and repeat vital procedures until all trainees are confident and proficient. Studies show that medical care providers who learn trauma treatment using simulators are better prepared to treat injured patients than those who are trained using animals. A leading surgeon with the U.S. Army even candidly admitted in an internal e-mail obtained by PETA that "there still is no evidence that [training on animals] saves lives."

For all these reasons, the Battlefield Excellence through Superior Training (BEST) Practices Act (H.R. 1417), which would phase out the U.S. military's use of live animals in trauma training courses in favor of modern non-animal methods, has been introduced in Congress. 

Please help improve military training and spare the thousands of animals who are tormented each year in these cruel exercises by using the form below to send polite e-mails to U.S. Department of Defense officials urging them to take immediate action to comply with military regulations and completely replace the use of animals in military trauma training with superior non-animal training methods. 

https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?c ... on&id=4087

oh my god

chadwick

Godfather. wrote:

chadwick wrote:

godfather, you get riled up about shit that means nothing, correct? when a majestic beast is murdered in cold blood i am pissed! nugent stuffs the creatures and they are revered as trophies hanging on his walls or elsewhere

this is despicable

ahhh the NUGE..KILL AND GRILL !...I think as time has passed here on the train I take a lot of the posting on here a lot less serious because no matter what we beliveve or understand someone on here knows better so lately I just get a good laugh out of most of it and try and respect other opinions...not every time but I try.

Godfather.

you have problems if ted's murdering of majestic animals does nothing to you so you just roll w/ the punches on the pearl jam site? godfather, you have no ammo! just admit it and be done with it. instead you type up ridiculous statements

pandora

There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know.

For me a trophy is a photograph but for some that is not the case.
I also relocate spiders :? no kill

I wouldn't pass judgement because someone hunts not like I did when I was young.
On my path I have met some good people who hunt....
as kind generous compassionate as the next guy.

People need to be honest here and go back to where all this hate comes from ...
me thinks it's still just cause he is on the opposite side of the fence,
is that a good enough reason for hate ?

:nono:

chadwick

pandora wrote:

There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know.

For me a trophy is a photograph but for some that is not the case.
I also relocate spiders :? no kill

I wouldn't pass judgement because someone hunts not like I did when I was young.
On my path I have met some good people who hunt....
as kind generous compassionate as the next guy.

People need to be honest here and go back to where all this hate comes from ...
me thinks it's still just cause he is on the opposite side of the fence,
is that a good enough reason for hate ?

:nono:

you and godfather should get married
the two of you sound like the same person quite often


"There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know." - pandora

what does this even mean? especially the first sentence

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know.

For me a trophy is a photograph but for some that is not the case.
I also relocate spiders :? no kill

I wouldn't pass judgement because someone hunts not like I did when I was young.
On my path I have met some good people who hunt....
as kind generous compassionate as the next guy.

People need to be honest here and go back to where all this hate comes from ...
me thinks it's still just cause he is on the opposite side of the fence,
is that a good enough reason for hate ?

:nono:

you and godfather should get married
the two of you sound like the same person quite often


"There are big game hunters right this a fact of life? Some say maybe it is needed
I don't know." - pandora

what does this even mean? especially the first sentence

I've thought that about you and 81 you guys sound a lot alike, maybe you think
that a compliment, I hope so, cause that is how it is meant.
I will take yours the same to my heart. I love Godfather.

I guess it means there are big game hunters ... period :?not sure what you want more from.
It is a fact of life, yes.
With deer hunting and others it is used to control the herd. I was not sure if this was the case
with big game is what I also meant there.

Godfather.

chadwick wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

chadwick wrote:

godfather, you get riled up about shit that means nothing, correct? when a majestic beast is murdered in cold blood i am pissed! nugent stuffs the creatures and they are revered as trophies hanging on his walls or elsewhere

this is despicable

ahhh the NUGE..KILL AND GRILL !...I think as time has passed here on the train I take a lot of the posting on here a lot less serious because no matter what we beliveve or understand someone on here knows better so lately I just get a good laugh out of most of it and try and respect other opinions...not every time but I try.

Godfather.

you have problems if ted's murdering of majestic animals does nothing to you so you just roll w/ the punches on the pearl jam site? godfather, you have no ammo! just admit it and be done with it. instead you type up ridiculous statements

well then you go stop him Chad, what good is calling him or anybody else names going to do and talk about lack of ammo bro.....my statements are no more ridiculous than your and the others that whine and cry because somebody does something you don't aprove of ..get your own life and live it as you see fit and don't worry about someone else's, why do I irratate you ? if you don't like the way I see people or events all you have to say is "I disagree" with your reason why and I'll respect your opinion even discuss it with you but making personal attacks becouse I don't get upset that Ted is a big game hunter or a right wing (hero in my opinion)
is really no excuse to get your own body temp above boiling and start posting your anger,EZ bro at the end of the day we are who we are here on the train.

Godfather.

Godfather.

and back at ya Pandi !

Godfather.

gimmesometruth27

Godfather. wrote:

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

i don't give a fuck if ted reads this forum or not. the fact is he broke the law. he shot a bear with an arrow and either did not track it, or after looking for it for a bit said "fuck it, i'll shoot another one tomorrow..." the law states that wounding an animal is the same as a kill. he had his quota, he should have stopped there. but he didn't.

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

what is the difference between him and a poacher? he might not take the ivory or whatever to sell on the black market, but he still kills the animals...

these "hunts" are staged. they lure captive animals into the kill zone. if ted was such the hunter, he would do things the real way. where he sits out in the woods, and actually fucking hunts the animals instead of sitting there and paying people to lure them into the kill zone. it is pathetic.

i so badly want to petition dana white and ask him to allow me one 5 minute round in the octagon with nugent at ufc 146...i would beg him for it. but teddy could not be trusted to show up without a hunting knife or crossbow or something...big mouth and bigger gun makes him a big man. no gun makes him a coward.

redrock

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

[/quote]

Must disagree with you there gimme. It's not 'an old thing', just an 'attitude' thing, whatever the age (you guessed it - I'm in the same age group). The world 'belongs' to all generations and no-one has to stand for these 'hunts', young or old - but not everyone cares (again - young and old). Attitude, not age.

Personally, I think Nugent is a despicable lowlife (to stay polite). Had he not been a 'rock star' (this being very questionable in my opinion) and deemed able to reach a certain type of people, would he even have been given a platform?

peacefrompaul

Come on Ted... Come on man. I have no problems with his hunts but he needs to carry it out properly... Thank God I had proper training from my dad growing up. You still need to respect the animals.

markin ball

I really don't have a problem with hunting of you eat what you hunt. But killing an animal for a trophy or just for the hell of it send pretty sickening to me. Am I wrong about this? Seriously.

redrock

Agree with you markin, There is a huge difference between finding an animal, shooting it straight away and using it for food (same as fishing) and the ' sport' of hunting where animals are ' rounded up' beforehand, hunters take pleasure in the ' mind games' with the animals enjoying the chase and their fear and ending up killing the animal (sometimes messily and slowly) only to have antlers or a stuffed head on their walls. Now I eat meat and sometimes game so those are my views - a true vegetarian - ie one who does not eat, wear or have anything deriving from animals out of conviction (and not one just not eating meat because it's deemed healthier) - may see hunting despicable, whatever the reason.

g under p

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

i don't give a fuck if ted reads this forum or not. the fact is he broke the law. he shot a bear with an arrow and either did not track it, or after looking for it for a bit said "fuck it, i'll shoot another one tomorrow..." the law states that wounding an animal is the same as a kill. he had his quota, he should have stopped there. but he didn't.

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

what is the difference between him and a poacher? he might not take the ivory or whatever to sell on the black market, but he still kills the animals...

these "hunts" are staged. they lure captive animals into the kill zone. if ted was such the hunter, he would do things the real way. where he sits out in the woods, and actually fucking hunts the animals instead of sitting there and paying people to lure them into the kill zone. it is pathetic.

i so badly want to petition dana white and ask him to allow me one 5 minute round in the octagon with nugent at ufc 146...i would beg him for it. but teddy could not be trusted to show up without a hunting knife or crossbow or something...big mouth and bigger gun makes him a big man. no gun makes him a coward.

I agree, he appears to be the kind of man who would just cut and run like he has in his past.

Peace

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Godfather. wrote:

:fp: good grief man get over it already...Ted don't read this forum I'm willing to bet and there for don't really care what you think,the only one getting agro are you and a few others on this forum...good job you got yer selfs all worked up over someone you've never met and don't know,kinda odd don't ya think. ?

Godfather.

i don't give a fuck if ted reads this forum or not. the fact is he broke the law. he shot a bear with an arrow and either did not track it, or after looking for it for a bit said "fuck it, i'll shoot another one tomorrow..." the law states that wounding an animal is the same as a kill. he had his quota, he should have stopped there. but he didn't.

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

what is the difference between him and a poacher? he might not take the ivory or whatever to sell on the black market, but he still kills the animals...

these "hunts" are staged. they lure captive animals into the kill zone. if ted was such the hunter, he would do things the real way. where he sits out in the woods, and actually fucking hunts the animals instead of sitting there and paying people to lure them into the kill zone. it is pathetic.

i so badly want to petition dana white and ask him to allow me one 5 minute round in the octagon with nugent at ufc 146...i would beg him for it. but teddy could not be trusted to show up without a hunting knife or crossbow or something...big mouth and bigger gun makes him a big man. no gun makes him a coward.

gimmiesometruth, i love you man. this is the greatest post of yours i have ever read. i have nothing more to add at this time as you said it all right here.

chadwick

redrock wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

Must disagree with you there gimme. It's not 'an old thing', just an 'attitude' thing, whatever the age (you guessed it - I'm in the same age group). The world 'belongs' to all generations and no-one has to stand for these 'hunts', young or old - but not everyone cares (again - young and old). Attitude, not age.

Personally, I think Nugent is a despicable lowlife (to stay polite). Had he not been a 'rock star' (this being very questionable in my opinion) and deemed able to reach a certain type of people, would he even have been given a platform?[/quote]
exactly. nugent needs his platform removed until he can behave himself

pandora

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and yet you and pandora defend this behavior. it is disgusting. it must be "an old thing" since you two always regale us with stories from "when i was your age", etc and how things were different then...well things ARE different now. it is not your generation's world anymore, and we do not have to stand for this guy going out on staged hunts and killing majestic wild animals.

What behavior have I defended?

I have said there are big game hunters period. Have been, will be.
I have not personally researched any of Ted's hunting stories besides the interview I have posted.
That interview is an open minded huntsman opinion that I felt was insightful to him.
I remain unbiased towards Ted something many here can not say.

The 'old thing' for me is more of what life experiences bring to someone.
When I was your age I disliked hunters and was very judgmental towards many people
for many different things. Age is a mellower for some people.
Makes them more giving and forgiving because of the paths they have crossed.

I have learned not to jump to conclusions about people,
to try to understand them instead, this insures fairness and success.

chadwick

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora,

shooting a rabbit, a squirrel or a deer and a quail and grilling it to feed you and your family is not equivalent to shooting a majestic beast. and no animal is better than the next.

for example. buffalo bill cody. he is recognized as an american iconic hero. for what? that piece of garbage murdered countless buffalo across the high plains. i despise buffalo bill cody like nobodies business. they have souvenir shops out there dedicated to Cody. i cannot wait until they are set on fire and burnt to the ground. at this very moment i hope he is burning in hell if such a place exists

pandora

chadwick wrote:

pandora wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nC7EtYnf-VM

I found this an interesting insight into hunting which in my youth I was strongly opposed to and
drew the wrong conclusion about those who hunt.
It's not for me as I have said but it is for others.

I just know one thing it's best to remain unbiased in life
and there really is no reason to draw any conclusions about others because
if I am not perfect what would possibly make it right for me to judge someone
else? I wouldn't want them judging me and what I did in my youth,
what I learned valuable lessons from, that they do not know.

pandora,

shooting a rabbit, a squirrel or a deer and a quail and grilling it to feed you and your family is not equivalent to shooting a majestic beast. and no animal is better than the next.

for example. buffalo bill cody. he is recognized as an american iconic hero. for what? that piece of garbage murdered countless buffalo across the high plains. i despise buffalo bill cody like nobodies business. they have souvenir shops out there dedicated to Cody. i cannot wait until they are set on fire and burnt to the ground. at this very moment i hope he is burning in hell if such a place exists

I am not against big game hunters, I do not hate them,
so you and I will have to agree to disagree on that.

Personal motives in life is what it comes down to.
For me all big game hunters motives are not wrong,
because they hunt it does not make them evil.