That would be great if the Libertarian party gained some momentum in Canada. I'm all for anything that would split that right wing vote. We need a Wildrose party at the national level!
Out of interest I read through the platform. Some points I agree with, some I disagree with, and some I think are unrealistic to the point of naivete.
Agree with decriminalizing sex work, particularly for the sex workers but also the patrons, provided they don't engage in acts that are otherwise illegal. I'd still like to see a mechanism to charge pimps who are abusing or using undue pressure on sex workers (some of that may come under the mentioned human trafficking, but some won't)
Agree with decriminalizing illicit substances and putting more money into health care services, with a range of goals from abstinence through harm reduction.
Agree with repealing C-51
Agree with reducing barriers to immigration
I'm cautious about changes to health care provision, particularly allowing private health care. There is ample evidence that for-profit, private health care is more expensive and provides on average poorer care; there may well be pockets of excellent care but these are swamped by the ocean of poor to no care.
Don't agree with eliminating all foreign aid. Canadian foreign aid has provided major benefits to some countries. Sure, there are some corrupt governments but the way around that is not be not providing any aid. They haven't defined what they mean by "remittances"; I can't hear that without thinking of the term "remittance man", which essentially means paying that obnoxious relative to take his troublesome self over to the Colonies and stop being an embarrassment to you. How does this play out for foreign aid? And the "unilaterally ending all tariffs on foreign goods" falls under the category of hopelessly naive.
Don't know what they mean by "full property rights". I have my suspicions but would need to read more what they intend.
Disagree with the position on gun ownership/laws.
No-one can really argue with "Find and eliminate systemic discrimination against indigenous peoples". What is intended by "blanket guarantee of sovereignty for all indigenous peoples"? In BC, for instance, first nations groups have already laid claim to greater than 100% of the total land mass of the province, since the claims of different bands often overlap. How could these claims to sovereignty be recognized?
And finally, there are no free markets, nor any free market economies. I'm not sure if there ever were, but there certainly aren't any now. Goals around these come under the "naive" heading for me.
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Of course, they are a new party. Some of these are outlandish. Taking away the dollar from government control is definitely one that makes me scratch my head. I like they way they think about healthcare, because it is unsustainable as it is now. We need some fresh ideas here. I have to agree with you on foreign aid, as I applauded Harper on eliminating Haiti's debt to Canada in 2010. Perhaps we just need to be more selective on our foreign aid. Guarantee of sovereignty can only mean one thing, the one thing they want. Self-Government.
Free market is a wonderful thing, which is why Harper has negotiated so many free trade deals in the past 8 years. It helps those economies as well. It is difficult to divulge an entire platform on a one pager, but as I get involved with the party I will certainly have questions to ask.
I mean, we don't want to change Canada's national currency to bubble gum so we can inflate and deflate it at will (100 points if you know what party that was).
Trying to make a splash, the Libertarians are different. But there are people out there who are afraid of how much government interference happens in our daily lives. Government has gotten too big, too invasive, too patriarchal.
Some final thoughts before voting (by local columnist Jack Knox):
Seventy-seven days down, one to go and you have finally decided whom you want to be prime minister.
Only one problem: Jose Bautista isn’t Canadian.
Back to the drawing board.
Here are a few points, a list of pros and cons for each party, that might help you make up your mind before trundling to the polls on Monday:
Three reasons to vote Conservative
1) After nine years of Stephen Harper’s leadership, Canadians know exactly what to expect.
2) The budget is balanced. The Canucks are playing well. What more do you want?
3) If the Conservative candidates were allowed to speak in public, you’d be super-impressed by them.
Three reasons not to vote Conservative
1) After nine years of Stephen Harper’s leadership, Canadians know exactly what to expect.
2) The Ford brothers endorsed Harper. What, the party couldn’t get the guy who shot Cecil the lion?
3) The exploitation of Muslim women in a fear-based election campaign, the manipulation of election law, the muzzling of scientists, the shoddy treatment of veterans, the stifling of dissent, the hounding of environmental charities, the gutting of environmental safeguards, the Orwellian communication control, the Duffy affair, the $160 billion in new debt, the lip service to climate change — all this can be excused.
But some sins are unforgivable: Harper is a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
Three reasons to vote Liberal
1) They are Canada’s “natural governing party,” most in sync with the nation’s values.
2) Trudeau’s $10-billion deficit would still be less than the average $13-billion annual deficit run up by Harper.
3) Trudeau once punched out Sen. Patrick Brazeau. Bring on Putin.
Three reasons not to vote Liberal
1) The party leader only has a first name, which he shares with Bieber.
2) With his youthful complexion, it’s hard to take Justin seriously. He’s just not ruddy.
3) Justin is pretty sure he remembers where he stashed his weed in 24 Sussex Drive.
Three reasons to vote New Democrat
1) The NDP is Canada’s social conscience, the party of Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton.
2) After 148 years of scandals involving the ruling Conservatives (Pacific Scandal, Munsinger Affair, Robocalls, Duffy) and Liberals (Fuddle Duddle, APEC, Shawinigate, Sponsorship Scandal) it’s time to give someone else a chance to betray the public’s trust.
3) Don Cherry’s head might explode.
Three reasons not to vote New Democrat
1) He’s Thomas Mulcair, not Tommy Douglas.
2) If you think they’re insufferably self-righteous in opposition, just wait until they feel validated and empowered.
3) The polls say the New Democrats started in first place and ended in third. They have run the worst campaign since the Germans at Stalingrad.
Three reasons to vote Green
1) If the other parties went to that much trouble to keep Elizabeth May out of the leaders’ debates, she must be worth hearing.
2) Hugely popular from coast to coast* (*west coast of Saanich Peninsula to east coast of Salt Spring Island).
3) Little likelihood of a caucus revolt.
Three reasons not to vote Green
1) The difference between being in government and being in opposition is the difference between being the GM of the Canucks and being the guy in the bar who says what they should do with the Sedins.
2) Not enough MPs to enter team in parliamentary softball league, forced to buddy up with Bloc Québécois, Libertarians, yogic flyers.
3) The Blue Jays are playing Monday, might as well stay home and watch.
No, no, no, get off the couch and go down to your polling place. Remember, if you don’t vote, you can’t complain.
Feel free to do an emphatic Bautista-style pencil flip after marking your ballot.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I will never vote Liberal, and one of the main reasons is because Southern Ontario always does. We out west have pretty much had it with the "centre of the universe" BS for about 75 years.
I don't see that phrase in the article I posted. It does say "natural governing party", so maybe autocorrect did you in? In any case, surely you've heard that phrase before? It's been in common usage since at least the 1980s, and probably dates back to the 1960s.
And it is meant to be a humorous article, so good thing at least your emoji is laughing.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
I have to cut my shift of tearing down signs to post here on the eve of election? Preposterous. I can't wait to watch CBC coverage of the election and the West Coast flailing when they hear the East Coast results before their polls open.
I have to cut my shift of tearing down signs to post here on the eve of election? Preposterous. I can't wait to watch CBC coverage of the election and the West Coast flailing when they hear the East Coast results before their polls open.
The country isn't quite that big. You must be thinking fondly back to the old USSR, comrade.
my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
"Natural governing party". Funny you speak of the USSR, they probably considered the Communists the "natural governing party". (A governing Party and a governing body would essentially be th same thing no?)
Oh yeah, it was a humourous article alright. Nothing made me laugh more than that though. They meet the ideals of the majority of,Canadians, eh. I suppose that is true if your credit card and Line of Credit are maxed out and you are constantly going to the bank to borrow more money because you have a good credit rating and continually make the minimum monthly payment. If you live like that, (and I think you better think twice before you go to Walmart and buy shit you don't need) then Justin Trudeau is your man. Happy voting!
I have to cut my shift of tearing down signs to post here on the eve of election? Preposterous. I can't wait to watch CBC coverage of the election and the West Coast flailing when they hear the East Coast results before their polls open.
I have to cut my shift of tearing down signs to post here on the eve of election? Preposterous. I can't wait to watch CBC coverage of the election and the West Coast flailing when they hear the East Coast results before their polls open.
Anything you lose from being honest You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
"Natural governing party". Funny you speak of the USSR, they probably considered the Communists the "natural governing party". (A governing Party and a governing body would essentially be th same thing no?)
Oh yeah, it was a humourous article alright. Nothing made me laugh more than that though. They meet the ideals of the majority of,Canadians, eh. I suppose that is true if your credit card and Line of Credit are maxed out and you are constantly going to the bank to borrow more money because you have a good credit rating and continually make the minimum monthly payment. If you live like that, (and I think you better think twice before you go to Walmart and buy shit you don't need) then Justin Trudeau is your man. Happy voting!
Et voila, a link for you, just to show that Jack Knox and I didn't make up that phrase.
That John Oliver piece was good,and funny. Too bad there are a million idiots out there who will forget it's a joke and Oliver is a comedian
He makes it funny, but he often makes VERY good points that probably shouldn't be blown off the way you just did (that said, I have never seen that Justin falling down the stairs trick, and that made me really laugh! ). He is actually pretty informative. I actually have never heard of Section 331 of the Canada elections act, have you? What a dumb fucking law, lol.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
That John Oliver piece was good,and funny. Too bad there are a million idiots out there who will forget it's a joke and Oliver is a comedian
If you've been watching John Oliver and you think his show is a joke....you haven't been paying attention.
You don't think he is a comedian and the show is a joke? Of course there are some interesting things he brings up, but even he has said in interviews that it's a comedy show, not the news. What's amazing to me is you would take anything a bunch of comedy writers throw on television and NOT think its a joke One in a million dignin.
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The Tories deserve another mandate – Stephen Harper doesn’t
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/editorials/the-tories-deserve-another-mandate-stephen-harper-doesnt/article26842506/
That article is written by just another partisan journalist.
Means nothing and adds zero input to the voters thoughts.
Vote Libertarian!!
Buuuutttt....
Your plants probably won't grow in soil that was governed by libertarians lol
https://www.libertarian.ca/platform/
Seeds will grow just fine!
Agree with decriminalizing sex work, particularly for the sex workers but also the patrons, provided they don't engage in acts that are otherwise illegal. I'd still like to see a mechanism to charge pimps who are abusing or using undue pressure on sex workers (some of that may come under the mentioned human trafficking, but some won't)
Agree with decriminalizing illicit substances and putting more money into health care services, with a range of goals from abstinence through harm reduction.
Agree with repealing C-51
Agree with reducing barriers to immigration
I'm cautious about changes to health care provision, particularly allowing private health care. There is ample evidence that for-profit, private health care is more expensive and provides on average poorer care; there may well be pockets of excellent care but these are swamped by the ocean of poor to no care.
Don't agree with eliminating all foreign aid. Canadian foreign aid has provided major benefits to some countries. Sure, there are some corrupt governments but the way around that is not be not providing any aid. They haven't defined what they mean by "remittances"; I can't hear that without thinking of the term "remittance man", which essentially means paying that obnoxious relative to take his troublesome self over to the Colonies and stop being an embarrassment to you. How does this play out for foreign aid? And the "unilaterally ending all tariffs on foreign goods" falls under the category of hopelessly naive.
Don't know what they mean by "full property rights". I have my suspicions but would need to read more what they intend.
Disagree with the position on gun ownership/laws.
No-one can really argue with "Find and eliminate systemic discrimination against indigenous peoples". What is intended by "blanket guarantee of sovereignty for all indigenous peoples"? In BC, for instance, first nations groups have already laid claim to greater than 100% of the total land mass of the province, since the claims of different bands often overlap. How could these claims to sovereignty be recognized?
And finally, there are no free markets, nor any free market economies. I'm not sure if there ever were, but there certainly aren't any now. Goals around these come under the "naive" heading for me.
Of course, they are a new party. Some of these are outlandish. Taking away the dollar from government control is definitely one that makes me scratch my head.
I like they way they think about healthcare, because it is unsustainable as it is now. We need some fresh ideas here.
I have to agree with you on foreign aid, as I applauded Harper on eliminating Haiti's debt to Canada in 2010. Perhaps we just need to be more selective on our foreign aid.
Guarantee of sovereignty can only mean one thing, the one thing they want. Self-Government.
Free market is a wonderful thing, which is why Harper has negotiated so many free trade deals in the past 8 years. It helps those economies as well. It is difficult to divulge an entire platform on a one pager, but as I get involved with the party I will certainly have questions to ask.
I mean, we don't want to change Canada's national currency to bubble gum so we can inflate and deflate it at will (100 points if you know what party that was).
Trying to make a splash, the Libertarians are different. But there are people out there who are afraid of how much government interference happens in our daily lives. Government has gotten too big, too invasive, too patriarchal.
Seventy-seven days down, one to go and you have finally decided whom you want to be prime minister.
Only one problem: Jose Bautista isn’t Canadian.
Back to the drawing board.
Here are a few points, a list of pros and cons for each party, that might help you make up your mind before trundling to the polls on Monday:
Three reasons to vote Conservative
1) After nine years of Stephen Harper’s leadership, Canadians know exactly what to expect.
2) The budget is balanced. The Canucks are playing well. What more do you want?
3) If the Conservative candidates were allowed to speak in public, you’d be super-impressed by them.
Three reasons not to vote Conservative
1) After nine years of Stephen Harper’s leadership, Canadians know exactly what to expect.
2) The Ford brothers endorsed Harper. What, the party couldn’t get the guy who shot Cecil the lion?
3) The exploitation of Muslim women in a fear-based election campaign, the manipulation of election law, the muzzling of scientists, the shoddy treatment of veterans, the stifling of dissent, the hounding of environmental charities, the gutting of environmental safeguards, the Orwellian communication control, the Duffy affair, the $160 billion in new debt, the lip service to climate change — all this can be excused.
But some sins are unforgivable: Harper is a Toronto Maple Leafs fan.
Three reasons to vote Liberal
1) They are Canada’s “natural governing party,” most in sync with the nation’s values.
2) Trudeau’s $10-billion deficit would still be less than the average $13-billion annual deficit run up by Harper.
3) Trudeau once punched out Sen. Patrick Brazeau. Bring on Putin.
Three reasons not to vote Liberal
1) The party leader only has a first name, which he shares with Bieber.
2) With his youthful complexion, it’s hard to take Justin seriously. He’s just not ruddy.
3) Justin is pretty sure he remembers where he stashed his weed in 24 Sussex Drive.
Three reasons to vote New Democrat
1) The NDP is Canada’s social conscience, the party of Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton.
2) After 148 years of scandals involving the ruling Conservatives (Pacific Scandal, Munsinger Affair, Robocalls, Duffy) and Liberals (Fuddle Duddle, APEC, Shawinigate, Sponsorship Scandal) it’s time to give someone else a chance to betray the public’s trust.
3) Don Cherry’s head might explode.
Three reasons not to vote New Democrat
1) He’s Thomas Mulcair, not Tommy Douglas.
2) If you think they’re insufferably self-righteous in opposition, just wait until they feel validated and empowered.
3) The polls say the New Democrats started in first place and ended in third. They have run the worst campaign since the Germans at Stalingrad.
Three reasons to vote Green
1) If the other parties went to that much trouble to keep Elizabeth May out of the leaders’ debates, she must be worth hearing.
2) Hugely popular from coast to coast* (*west coast of Saanich Peninsula to east coast of Salt Spring Island).
3) Little likelihood of a caucus revolt.
Three reasons not to vote Green
1) The difference between being in government and being in opposition is the difference between being the GM of the Canucks and being the guy in the bar who says what they should do with the Sedins.
2) Not enough MPs to enter team in parliamentary softball league, forced to buddy up with Bloc Québécois, Libertarians, yogic flyers.
3) The Blue Jays are playing Monday, might as well stay home and watch.
No, no, no, get off the couch and go down to your polling place. Remember, if you don’t vote, you can’t complain.
Feel free to do an emphatic Bautista-style pencil flip after marking your ballot.
Preposterous
We out west have pretty much had it with the "centre of the universe" BS for about 75 years.
And it is meant to be a humorous article, so good thing at least your emoji is laughing.
Preposterous.
I can't wait to watch CBC coverage of the election and the West Coast flailing when they hear the East Coast results before their polls open.
Funny you speak of the USSR, they probably considered the Communists the "natural governing party". (A governing Party and a governing body would essentially be th same thing no?)
Oh yeah, it was a humourous article alright.
Nothing made me laugh more than that though. They meet the ideals of the majority of,Canadians, eh. I suppose that is true if your credit card and Line of Credit are maxed out and you are constantly going to the bank to borrow more money because you have a good credit rating and continually make the minimum monthly payment.
If you live like that, (and I think you better think twice before you go to Walmart and buy shit you don't need) then Justin Trudeau is your man. Happy voting!
You never really had to begin with.
Sometimes it's not the song that makes you emotional it's the people and things that come to your mind when you hear it.
http://clioscurrent.com/blog/2013/11/11/digital-research-and-canadas-natural-governing-party
What's amazing to me is you would take anything a bunch of comedy writers throw on television and NOT think its a joke
One in a million dignin.