It's also unfair to characterize the wealthy as daring, brave, cutting edge risk takers. Most wealthy people I know slid into a business that their daddy built. Further... others have gotten wealthy raping the environment: as far as I'm concerned... you owe the earth and the people on it something if you're scarring it for your living- especially when the earth is making you lucratively rich. Yes... these people should pay more- especially when harvesting finite resources.
And for the record... I'm doing just fine. If Harper got re-elected I wouldn't notice much of a difference. But I'm tired of his ignorance towards the average Canadian and his efforts to play the staunch Republican politician.
Lastly... I agree with Hugh that the level of personal attacks have crossed the line, but I have been patient to now because I understand why. You see... aspects of emotional intelligence include self assessment and self awareness. If you are weak in these areas... your EQ is low. That's significant when trying to relate to others and it partially explains the childish taunting that has reared its head in this thread: it's a by product of weakness.
What is your name 1ThoughtKnown? I'd like to know for when you run for office.
Why? So you can dig up these old posts and put them on Twatter?
I won't make it that easy for you, since you are a socialist superhero, I'll let you figure it out. Do a 10 club hack.
I seriously doubt I'm needed for people to be able to connect you to your past online activity when you're trying to lead a federal political party, lol.
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Harper at least promises not to raise taxes. Turdo will run deficits New Disaster Party will just do whatever with the economy and see what sticks The Green Party will propose we recycle all money in order to use it twice.
So to recap everything... As I take a break from here again as I can only handle so much of the uber left wing rhetoric and silly posts of other people views and links to news stories from the watered down media we already read:
1) I've never once said who I am going to vote for 2) you are all convinced I am voting for Harper 3) some think I am hypocrite because I learned from my mistakes (interestingly, I went to the Lethbridge Food Bank four times as a student and I send them $100 every year, I don't forget) 4) if anyone doesn't agree with people who think Harper is pure evil that person is wrong 5) it appears people who lean far to the left are extremely closed minded. To the point of a lack of respect of any view which isn't consistent of their own 6) not one of you know me, but you have many assumptions.. Good for you 7) the internet isn't real and all of you are wasting your time arguing here while doing NOTHING 8) I am fine with the way things are and I don't want to pay more taxes.
No matter who wins and takes hold of the government, you are going to complain. Then you are going to bitch and moan how the corporations run the world. All the while doing nothing because you say stupid shit on Twitter or Facebook, or because you dropped acid and freaked out at age 19. Or it's just because you like to complain. I've said it before and I'll say it again, running a country is no easy job, many have tried and so few have left office revered (remember when they considered renaming Canada's largest mountain after PET? ) So carry on with your left wing propaganda, I will lurk in the shadows laughing. Most of all though, get out there and vote on the 19th, even if you spoil your ballot, because above everything else I believe in democracy.
Cheers! Oh yeah and 27 days till I see PJ in Santiago. I'm so blessed... What a great country we live in.
I've always found it quite interesting when I see someone comes on the internet to argue and then make fun of people who come on the internet to argue?
and makes jokes about saying "stupid shit" because they did drugs at a young age, something they have previously admitted to.
and pigeon holes people into one ideology and way of thinking, with little to no evidence of that, all the while doing the same themselves.
I think someone lives under a bridge.
Not going to respond to everything you posted, because it was all laid to rest and you picked up the ball and reiterated the same waste of time arguments. But I live under a bridge yes. Downtown. I drew some blood. This city she loves me
I am not sure why you continue to attack me personally, but I'm generally surprised by your lack of understanding that a young man makes mistakes and your general lack of a sense of humour.
all laid to rest? because you say so? alrighty then.
not a personal attack. your little point by point presentation required a response, since it was so full of vitriol. all of it wrong, by the way.
read carefully. we all make mistakes. some of us just don't judge and get all high and mighty when others do the same.
Puhhhhhhlease. All you are doing is piling on. I actually had more respect for you.
And it was over because thirty called a truce. We had moved on, you stayed behind.
"All of it wrong" Yeesh... It is wrong that I am fine with the way thing are? How can you tell me how I feel is wrong? You honestly don't think I'm a Harper supporter... commmme on. Have you been open to any praise of our PM at all? Really?
Because of your lack of objectivity whatsoever, I cannot do anything but laugh
I personally don't give a shit who you are voting for. nor has anyone stated they think you are voting Harper that I've seen. the only reason people are talking about Harper is because you are defending him. I don't think he's all evil. I think the viral picture of half his face and half Hitler's is disgusting; not only completely untrue, it's degrading to the victims of Hitler's rule. BUT he IS eroding Canada's identity and his office is moving closer and closer to becoming a dictatorship that is answerable to no one. a PM that refuses to answer questions to the press is a terrible leader. and that's but one example. he also alligns himself with the Ford brothers. he is staunchly opposed to legalizing marijiuana, yet surrounds himself with liars and drug addicts and buffoons. I simply can't respect that.
he is running ads in papers saying that Trudeau is going to give pot to children, that he is going to open brothels, and all this other nonsense. how you run a desperate campaign shows your true colours. he's knows he's in trouble, and it ain't pretty.
I personally believe that all levels of income should be paying the same percentage. But I also think saying the rich take all the risks is ludicrous. all entrepreneurs take risks, and those with less to gain and more to lose end up taking more risk than those with a fluffy bank account.
shark tank/dragon's den is a horrible example. those guys have money to burn, and they are investing pennies to drag a carrot in front of a donkey in search of a dream. most of which don't even come to fruition. they remind me of the Million Dollar Man in wrestling from years ago. Here's the money, now dance! it's a hobby for those guys and an ego boost to get celebrity.
Am I absolutely thrilled about Trudeau? no. I'm the same as you........in a way.....I'm not thrilled about any of the candidates. But I know who I don't want in office. Mulcair or Harper. And the Green Party has zero chance, and to be honest, I don't even know their platform this time out. Which I will research before I vote, but as it stands, Liberals it is.
as an aside, I'm not concerned about your level of respect for me. you want to keep personal shots out of it? then keep personal shots out of it.
I wasn't defending him, I agree with some things he has done. I agree with some of his policies. Everyone arguing with me merely points out everything he has done wrong. The whole time (I'll say this again) I have mentioned reasons I don't like him and some of his policies. Be a pretty boring discussion if it was all anti-Harper. Be pretty one-sided. I get personal when the person doesn't read my post and merely post antagonistic left wing rhetoric. Or cuts and pastes someone else's opinion.
So I became a target when one person continually ignored most things posted and continually focussed on items they felt best served their anti-conservative views (and it blew up on them, which I deem to be idiocy, the act of a meathead, etc. Etc. It certainly wasn't intelligent, so I Lowered myself to the antagonistic level this thread was dropping to. Since you like to review the history perhaps you should do proper research and go back to the beginning. But you won't, because it won't help you agenda, which is getting votes for Trudeau
Edit: politics is a dirty game, and Trudeau looks like a pussy to me. All about feelings and Canadians vs Canadians. Played a lot of sports and worked a lot of places, never had much success being lead by a pussy.
I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support the NDP at 23.7 per cent support the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support the NDP at 23.7 per cent support the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
The headline captures it well. All the stoners are for turdo. Once the munchies are gone tonight the reality will sink in. ABC - Always Be Conservative.
A very mature, intelligent, not meat-headed observation!
The hypocrisy is unbelievable, but we made him do it, we forced him into the mudslinging.
Were a bad bunch of pinko canucks.
Wonder what the reaction would be if I called Harper a pussy? Sorry I touched a nerve, but I picture Turdo turtling in front of Putin. I mean, like literally kissing his ass. That's just the way I see it. He's a male bimbo. He's a mimbo! I have not heard anything from him except he wants to throw us into debt.
At least Mulcair stands for something. I have to be honest, the more the CBC plays his BS and the more I read on these boards, the more I hate Turdo.
But he will only have a minority and even Mulcair won't get into bed with an idiot (gotta give him credit for that at least)
I may have to change my minority prediction if this momentum continues. The ABC vote is real and when it begins to swing we could see a collapse for the NDP
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support the NDP at 23.7 per cent support the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
The headline captures it well. All the stoners are for turdo. Once the munchies are gone tonight the reality will sink in. ABC - Always Be Conservative.
I e got nothing against pot, in fact I Find Harper's minimum sentences appalling. But like any negotiation, sometimes you gotta give a little. Fact is, pot is illegal. I don't do it, but I have in my younger days. Did I get motivated after I quit? You bet. But everyone is different. I have pothead friends who have done real well. Legalizing marijuana will only lead to shitty pot That's what they tell me anyways
Guess I can forgive him for dropping out of university. Thirty must be happy he invested in Turdo as well. Wonder if he will forgive Mr. Turdo the snowboard instructor who is most impressed with China's government?
I wasn't defending him, I agree with some things he has done. I agree with some of his policies. Everyone arguing with me merely points out everything he has done wrong. The whole time (I'll say this again) I have mentioned reasons I don't like him and some of his policies. Be a pretty boring discussion if it was all anti-Harper. Be pretty one-sided. I get personal when the person doesn't read my post and merely post antagonistic left wing rhetoric. Or cuts and pastes someone else's opinion.
So I became a target when one person continually ignored most things posted and continually focussed on items they felt best served their anti-conservative views (and it blew up on them, which I deem to be idiocy, the act of a meathead, etc. Etc. It certainly wasn't intelligent, so I Lowered myself to the antagonistic level this thread was dropping to. Since you like to review the history perhaps you should do proper research and go back to the beginning. But you won't, because it won't help you agenda, which is getting votes for Trudeau
Edit: politics is a dirty game, and Trudeau looks like a pussy to me. All about feelings and Canadians vs Canadians. Played a lot of sports and worked a lot of places, never had much success being lead by a pussy.
it's interesting to me that you keep wailing away the fact that everyone thinks you are voting Harper. yet you continue to say that I have some sort of left wing agenda. I'm not left wing at all. I'm all over the map, and I vote depending on that particular party's platform in that particular election. I have voted conservative in the past. I have voted NDP. I have voted Green. I have voted Lib. I have also spoiled a ballot or two. my votes have changed as my life has changed and how canada has changed and how I deem it necessary to change further.
like I said, I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau. I don't know how he'll do on the world stage. If this was the US, absolutely you couldn't get away with that. But Canada? we can for a while. our role is different than that of other world powers. what has harper done on the world stage that has meant anything but show that he's had tea with a few leaders?
harper has done nothing but campaign on fear. and it works. GWB did it, and Harper has learned from him well.
do I like the idea of the country going into debt intentionally? no, but I also know we need a stimulant to the economy long-term, and stimulating the middle class, whether you like it or not, is how you do that. lowering taxes on the super rich does NOTHING. lowering taxes on corporations does NOTHING. lowering taxes on the middle class and small business is how you drive an economy and sustain it.
are you upper class? if not, why insult the middle class? if so, why insult the middle class? people strive for happiness, not for a social class. at least I do. striving for the middle is not the canadian way. it's the human way, to strive for happiness and community for all. not just the priveledged few.
I keep hearing that Trudeau is going to "legalize" pot. is that true, or is he just going to decriminilize it?
don't make excuses for being "dragged down to" someone else's level. either apologize or don't. don't blame it on someone else. that's what my kids do.
of course people are going to say nothing but bad things about Harper. in the eyes of most on here, it's time for him to go. and if someone is talking about the positives (especially in the arrogant fashion it has been done), the natural thing to do in a debate is to make a counterpoint. that's basic human interaction 101.
so can we now surmise you are voting NDP? or are you still keeping it a big bad secret?
They were giving welfare cheques to the "middle class" in 08? Suppose that may happen under Turdo, but wasn't there a responsible government in place in 08
Guess I can forgive him for dropping out of university. Thirty must be happy he invested in Turdo as well. Wonder if he will forgive Mr. Turdo the snowboard instructor who is most impressed with China's government?
Harper attended Northlea Public School and, later, John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke. He graduated in 1978, and was a member of Richview Collegiate's team on Reach for the Top, a television quiz show for Canadian high school students.[7] Harper enrolled at the University of Toronto but dropped out after two months.[8] He then moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil.[8] Later, he advanced to work on the company's computer systems. He took up post-secondary studies again at the University of Calgary, where he completed a bachelor's degree in economics in 1985. He later returned there to earn a master's degree in economics, completed in 1991.[9] Harper has kept strong links to the University of Calgary, where he often lectured. Harper is the first prime minister since Joe Clark without a law degree.
Trudeau has a Bachelor of Arts degree in literature from McGill University and a Bachelor of Education degree from the University of British Columbia. After graduation, he worked as a French and math teacher at West Point Grey Academy and Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School in Vancouver, British Columbia.[12][13] From 2002 to 2004, he studied engineering at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, a part of the Université de Montréal.[14] He also started a Master of Arts degree in Environmental Geography at McGill University before suspending his program to seek public office.[15]
and you accuse us of having a left wing agenda? come on, at least post the full truth.
do you fault Harper for dropping out to get a job in the mail room? I don't. good for him for knowing what he wanted to do.
Kind of how I picture most of the posters on this thread
Damn it. Dragged into the mud again.
Have you thought for a second how you are coming across on these boards?
Now that you have figured out how to do it... post all the goofy pictures of Trudeau you want. Speaking for myself... it doesn't move me in the slightest.
Do you want a rebuttal of Harper memes- there's plenty of them? I thought you were a really gifted and talented drop out that was demanding serious discourse? I'm confused by your behaviour. I'm starting to think you are part of a sociological experiment designed to test patience levels. I mean... who acts like this? Seriously?
Guess I can forgive him for dropping out of university. Thirty must be happy he invested in Turdo as well. Wonder if he will forgive Mr. Turdo the snowboard instructor who is most impressed with China's government?
Harper attended Northlea Public School and, later, John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke. He graduated in 1978, and was a member of Richview Collegiate's team on Reach for the Top, a television quiz show for Canadian high school students.[7] Harper enrolled at the University of Toronto but dropped out after two months.[8] He then moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil.[8] Later, he advanced to work on the company's computer systems. He took up post-secondary studies again at the University of Calgary, where he completed a bachelor's degree in economics in 1985. He later returned there to earn a master's degree in economics, completed in 1991.[9] Harper has kept strong links to the University of Calgary, where he often lectured. Harper is the first prime minister since Joe Clark without a law degree.
Trudeau has a Bachelor of Arts degree in literature from McGill University and a Bachelor of Education degree from the University of British Columbia. After graduation, he worked as a French and math teacher at West Point Grey Academy and Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School in Vancouver, British Columbia.[12][13] From 2002 to 2004, he studied engineering at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, a part of the Université de Montréal.[14] He also started a Master of Arts degree in Environmental Geography at McGill University before suspending his program to seek public office.[15]
and you accuse us of having a left wing agenda? come on, at least post the full truth.
do you fault Harper for dropping out to get a job in the mail room? I don't. good for him for knowing what he wanted to do.
I have no problem with anyone dropping out, it's why I posted it. Perhaps you should read what I posted underneath the meme. Tsk Tsk, so over-reactionary
Guess I can forgive him for dropping out of university. Thirty must be happy he invested in Turdo as well. Wonder if he will forgive Mr. Turdo the snowboard instructor who is most impressed with China's government?
Harper attended Northlea Public School and, later, John G. Althouse Middle School and Richview Collegiate Institute, both in Central Etobicoke. He graduated in 1978, and was a member of Richview Collegiate's team on Reach for the Top, a television quiz show for Canadian high school students.[7] Harper enrolled at the University of Toronto but dropped out after two months.[8] He then moved to Edmonton, Alberta, where he found work in the mail room at Imperial Oil.[8] Later, he advanced to work on the company's computer systems. He took up post-secondary studies again at the University of Calgary, where he completed a bachelor's degree in economics in 1985. He later returned there to earn a master's degree in economics, completed in 1991.[9] Harper has kept strong links to the University of Calgary, where he often lectured. Harper is the first prime minister since Joe Clark without a law degree.
Trudeau has a Bachelor of Arts degree in literature from McGill University and a Bachelor of Education degree from the University of British Columbia. After graduation, he worked as a French and math teacher at West Point Grey Academy and Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School in Vancouver, British Columbia.[12][13] From 2002 to 2004, he studied engineering at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, a part of the Université de Montréal.[14] He also started a Master of Arts degree in Environmental Geography at McGill University before suspending his program to seek public office.[15]
and you accuse us of having a left wing agenda? come on, at least post the full truth.
do you fault Harper for dropping out to get a job in the mail room? I don't. good for him for knowing what he wanted to do.
I have no problem with anyone dropping out, it's why I posted it. Perhaps you should read what I posted underneath the meme. Tsk Tsk, so over-reactionary
of course I read what you wrote. but you obviously posted it for a reason.
I have no problem with anyone dropping out, it's why I posted it. Perhaps you should read what I posted underneath the meme. Tsk Tsk, so over-reactionary
of course I read what you wrote. but you obviously posted it for a reason.
Of course, the part at the bottom. That he charges charities when he speaks. Sounds like socially conscious doesn't it? I mean, that's not capitalist in anyway right? He is going to help the ones who need it by giving a speech, and then running off with money donated to help the less fortunate. Sounds like real change
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And for the record... I'm doing just fine. If Harper got re-elected I wouldn't notice much of a difference. But I'm tired of his ignorance towards the average Canadian and his efforts to play the staunch Republican politician.
Lastly... I agree with Hugh that the level of personal attacks have crossed the line, but I have been patient to now because I understand why. You see... aspects of emotional intelligence include self assessment and self awareness. If you are weak in these areas... your EQ is low. That's significant when trying to relate to others and it partially explains the childish taunting that has reared its head in this thread: it's a by product of weakness.
The whole time (I'll say this again) I have mentioned reasons I don't like him and some of his policies.
Be a pretty boring discussion if it was all anti-Harper. Be pretty one-sided. I get personal when the person doesn't read my post and merely post antagonistic left wing rhetoric. Or cuts and pastes someone else's opinion.
So I became a target when one person continually ignored most things posted and continually focussed on items they felt best served their anti-conservative views (and it blew up on them, which I deem to be idiocy, the act of a meathead, etc. Etc.
It certainly wasn't intelligent, so I Lowered myself to the antagonistic level this thread was dropping to. Since you like to review the history perhaps you should do proper research and go back to the beginning.
But you won't, because it won't help you agenda, which is getting votes for Trudeau
Edit: politics is a dirty game, and Trudeau looks like a pussy to me. All about feelings and Canadians vs Canadians. Played a lot of sports and worked a lot of places, never had much success being lead by a pussy.
A very mature, intelligent, not meat-headed observation!
Were a bad bunch of pinko canucks.
the Liberals at 37.1 per cent support
the Conservatives at 29.4 per cent support
the NDP at 23.7 per cent support
the Green Party at 4.3 per cent support
the Bloc Quebecois at 5 per cent support
http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/election/nanos-tracking-liberals-hit-election-high-1.2610732
All the stoners are for turdo.
Once the munchies are gone tonight the reality will sink in.
ABC - Always Be Conservative.
Wonder what the reaction would be if I called Harper a pussy? Sorry I touched a nerve, but I picture Turdo turtling in front of Putin. I mean, like literally kissing his ass.
That's just the way I see it. He's a male bimbo. He's a mimbo!
I have not heard anything from him except he wants to throw us into debt.
At least Mulcair stands for something. I have to be honest, the more the CBC plays his BS and the more I read on these boards, the more I hate Turdo.
But he will only have a minority and even Mulcair won't get into bed with an idiot (gotta give him credit for that at least)
But like any negotiation, sometimes you gotta give a little. Fact is, pot is illegal. I don't do it, but I have in my younger days.
Did I get motivated after I quit? You bet. But everyone is different. I have pothead friends who have done real well.
Legalizing marijuana will only lead to shitty pot
That's what they tell me anyways
ABL - always be libertarian!!
http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/poll-tracker/2015/index.html
(1Thoughtknown, 2008)
Guess I can forgive him for dropping out of university.
Thirty must be happy he invested in Turdo as well. Wonder if he will forgive Mr. Turdo the snowboard instructor who is most impressed with China's government?
like I said, I'm not a huge fan of Trudeau. I don't know how he'll do on the world stage. If this was the US, absolutely you couldn't get away with that. But Canada? we can for a while. our role is different than that of other world powers. what has harper done on the world stage that has meant anything but show that he's had tea with a few leaders?
harper has done nothing but campaign on fear. and it works. GWB did it, and Harper has learned from him well.
do I like the idea of the country going into debt intentionally? no, but I also know we need a stimulant to the economy long-term, and stimulating the middle class, whether you like it or not, is how you do that. lowering taxes on the super rich does NOTHING. lowering taxes on corporations does NOTHING. lowering taxes on the middle class and small business is how you drive an economy and sustain it.
are you upper class? if not, why insult the middle class? if so, why insult the middle class? people strive for happiness, not for a social class. at least I do. striving for the middle is not the canadian way. it's the human way, to strive for happiness and community for all. not just the priveledged few.
I keep hearing that Trudeau is going to "legalize" pot. is that true, or is he just going to decriminilize it?
don't make excuses for being "dragged down to" someone else's level. either apologize or don't. don't blame it on someone else. that's what my kids do.
of course people are going to say nothing but bad things about Harper. in the eyes of most on here, it's time for him to go. and if someone is talking about the positives (especially in the arrogant fashion it has been done), the natural thing to do in a debate is to make a counterpoint. that's basic human interaction 101.
so can we now surmise you are voting NDP? or are you still keeping it a big bad secret?
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Suppose that may happen under Turdo, but wasn't there a responsible government in place in 08
My only wish is that those people that take advantage of these programs don't judge others too harshly for doing the same. That's reasonable isn't it?
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Kind of how I picture most of the posters on this thread
Just to see I'm being fair, as I've stated numerous times, I have concerns about Harper
Trudeau has a Bachelor of Arts degree in literature from McGill University and a Bachelor of Education degree from the University of British Columbia. After graduation, he worked as a French and math teacher at West Point Grey Academy and Sir Winston Churchill Secondary School in Vancouver, British Columbia.[12][13] From 2002 to 2004, he studied engineering at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, a part of the Université de Montréal.[14] He also started a Master of Arts degree in Environmental Geography at McGill University before suspending his program to seek public office.[15]
and you accuse us of having a left wing agenda? come on, at least post the full truth.
do you fault Harper for dropping out to get a job in the mail room? I don't. good for him for knowing what he wanted to do.
www.headstonesband.com
www.headstonesband.com
Have you thought for a second how you are coming across on these boards?
Now that you have figured out how to do it... post all the goofy pictures of Trudeau you want. Speaking for myself... it doesn't move me in the slightest.
Do you want a rebuttal of Harper memes- there's plenty of them? I thought you were a really gifted and talented drop out that was demanding serious discourse? I'm confused by your behaviour. I'm starting to think you are part of a sociological experiment designed to test patience levels. I mean... who acts like this? Seriously?
To show how "different" the parties are
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A gun registry! What a great idea! What did that cost before? 2 Billion?
We don't have a gun problem in Canada.
This one actually made me laugh
I have no problem with anyone dropping out, it's why I posted it. Perhaps you should read what I posted underneath the meme. Tsk Tsk, so over-reactionary
of course I read what you wrote. but you obviously posted it for a reason.
Of course, the part at the bottom. That he charges charities when he speaks. Sounds like socially conscious doesn't it? I mean, that's not capitalist in anyway right?
He is going to help the ones who need it by giving a speech, and then running off with money donated to help the less fortunate. Sounds like real change
Didn't want to leave Lizzy out. She gets a little bent outta shape when she isn't part of the debate.