When I think of the Duke Lacrosse case, the Tawana Brawley case, and just so people don't think I'm only bringing up cases associated with race I'll throw in the case against Richard Jewel as well, at this point I think it's best for me not to make up my mind until all of the evidence is heard. We all know how the media tends to convict people. :?
That is so true....we shall see
Peace
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When I think of the Duke Lacrosse case, the Tawana Brawley case, and just so people don't think I'm only bringing up cases associated with race I'll throw in the case against Richard Jewel as well, at this point I think it's best for me not to make up my mind until all of the evidence is heard. We all know how the media tends to convict people. :?
if it were not for the media we would never have heard of trayvon martin. at least this way there is a CHANCE for justice for trayvon... arrest zimmerman and make the state of florida present the evidence that it has in a court of law.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
When I think of the Duke Lacrosse case, the Tawana Brawley case, and just so people don't think I'm only bringing up cases associated with race I'll throw in the case against Richard Jewel as well, at this point I think it's best for me not to make up my mind until all of the evidence is heard. We all know how the media tends to convict people. :?
i get what you're saying here and can see the push to reserve judgement. also just as the media is quick to convict people they are also quick to forget that the innocent can still be dickbags. for example, what people forget in the Duke lax case is that those kids were still dropping the N-bomb and being verbally disrespectful, with particular regard to race, to the strippers. just because they were innocent of rape doesn't make those kids innocent of being racist d-bags.
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
Godfather.
Why would you assume such a thing...just because you have seen this before??? IF the evidence proves Zimmerman not guilty in the court of law then level heads will prevail. Some may protest or disagree with the verdict which is their right but to say there will be killings and riots is an idiotic assumption.
Are you saying this because this is what mostly black people do when they don't get justice? well.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
So innocence has to be proven?
all i'm saying is that everything points towards his guilt right now ... it's not like a lot of it is circumstantial ... these are facts:
* zimmerman was told by police NOT to pursuit
* trayvon martin was unarmed and did not commit any crime
* zimmerman has a record of assaulting police (history of violence)
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
Godfather.
Why would you assume such a thing...just because you have seen this before??? IF the evidence proves Zimmerman not guilty in the court of law then level heads will prevail. Some may protest or disagree with the verdict which is their right but to say there will be killings and riots is an idiotic assumption.
Are you saying this because this is what mostly black people do when they don't get justice? well.
Peace
just calling like I see it...or have seen it before, I watched the news all weekend and the up rising has already started,there are people wearing hoodies and buying skittles and iced tea in protest, I hope it does not happen I hope civilized people can over come their anger and not hurt people and business if they do protest.
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
So innocence has to be proven?
all i'm saying is that everything points towards his guilt right now ... it's not like a lot of it is circumstantial ... these are facts:
* zimmerman was told by police NOT to pursuit
* trayvon martin was unarmed and did not commit any crime
* zimmerman has a record of assaulting police (history of violence)
I haven't been following this thread much, but I agree with your facts. Is it not a fact that Zimmerman also shot and killed Martin? Regardless of the self-defense argument and Stand Your Ground law, he should be arrested. That police dept should be investigated by the FBI. It's standard procedure in most states to get arrested first, then released, not the other way around. Florida law is really screwed up...
just calling like I see it...or have seen it before, I watched the news all weekend and the up rising has already started,there are people wearing hoodies and buying skittles and iced tea in protest, I hope it does not happen I hope civilized people can over come their anger and not hurt people and business if they do protest.
Godfather.
would have to agree with you ... if zimmerman gets away ... i suspect there will be riots ...
I haven't been following this thread much, but I agree with your facts. Is it not a fact that Zimmerman also shot and killed Martin? Regardless of the self-defense argument and Stand Your Ground law, he should be arrested. That police dept should be investigated by the FBI. It's standard procedure in most states to get arrested first, then released, not the other way around. Florida law is really screwed up...
yeah ... the law is fucked ... but personally, i think this points to a much larger issue which is discrimination or bias by the police force ... this potentially isolated incidence of a rogue wanna-be cop could have been quelled earlier if the Sanford Police decided to do their job ... not only did they not arrest Zimmerman, they didn't do a lot of the forensics one would expect on the scene ... gun powder, drug/alcohol testing of zimmerman (yet they tested trayvon), etc ... either they are completely amateurish or they chose not to ... and when you hear about other instances of bias in the Sanford Police - you have to question the motives ...
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
Why would you assume such a thing...just because you have seen this before??? IF the evidence proves Zimmerman not guilty in the court of law then level heads will prevail. Some may protest or disagree with the verdict which is their right but to say there will be killings and riots is an idiotic assumption.
Are you saying this because this is what mostly black people do when they don't get justice? well.
Peace
just calling like I see it...or have seen it before, I watched the news all weekend and the up rising has already started,there are people wearing hoodies and buying skittles and iced tea in protest, I hope it does not happen I hope civilized people can over come their anger and not hurt people and business if they do protest.
Godfather.
I'm sure you are calling it as you see fit but you can not assume just because you have seen it before it will happen this time around. I like Skittles and i have a hoodie however I'll only buy some Skittles at the moment ....it's too hot to wear a hoodie down here.
Is there an issue if people want to buy candy and wear a piece of garment thus somehow becomes an uprising? Please show me where you see people down here burning and looting over this case as we see it,....if so I'll shut up. I see those portesting wanting those in authority to get to the bottom of what happened whether it proves Zimmerman innocent or guilty.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
what everyone ultimately wants is justice ... and that means justice for george zimmerman as well ... if someway, somehow his innocence is proven - so be it ... but by all accounts, george zimmerman should be arrested ... and the Sanford Police Department be investigated ...
like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
Why would you assume such a thing...just because you have seen this before??? IF the evidence proves Zimmerman not guilty in the court of law then level heads will prevail. Some may protest or disagree with the verdict which is their right but to say there will be killings and riots is an idiotic assumption.
Are you saying this because this is what mostly black people do when they don't get justice? well.
Peace
just calling like I see it...or have seen it before, I watched the news all weekend and the up rising has already started,there are people wearing hoodies and buying skittles and iced tea in protest, I hope it does not happen I hope civilized people can over come their anger and not hurt people and business if they do protest.
Godfather.
I'm sure you are calling it as you see fit but you can not assume just because you have seen it before it will happen this time around. I like Skittles and i have a hoodie however I'll only buy some Skittles at the moment ....it's too hot to wear a hoodie down here.
Is there an issue if people want to buy candy and wear a piece of garment thus somehow becomes an uprising? Please show me where you see people down here burning and looting over this case as we see it,....if so I'll shut up. I see those portesting wanting those in authority to get to the bottom of what happened whether it proves Zimmerman innocent or guilty.
Peace
I think you're jumping the gun here..as I said "if he is proven NOT GUILTY" and as far as the skittles hoodies and iced tea I saw that on the news.
The more I read about this case, the more disturbing it is. I mean, who eats skittles while drinking Iced tea? That sounds disgusting.
Really though, this whole situation is messed up and the media isn't doing anyone any favors. It is setup for rioting if the guy is determined to be not guilty.
One thing is for sure, that law needs to go if it in anyway ties the hands of law enforcement the way it seems to.
The more I read about this case, the more disturbing it is. I mean, who eats skittles while drinking Iced tea? That sounds disgusting.
Really though, this whole situation is messed up and the media isn't doing anyone any favors. It is setup for rioting if the guy is determined to be not guilty.
One thing is for sure, that law needs to go if it in anyway ties the hands of law enforcement the way it seems to.
LOL I'm sure there were some discusting things you may have eaten when you were seventeen. One has to wash all those sweets down with something why not sweet tea.,
Peace
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*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I personally don't think Zimmerman has a case, if he continued to follow Martin. I mean he knowingly put himself in potential danger, not saying Martin was dangerous, but if he indeed was then Zimmerman is the idiot here. I think I read somewhere where even Jeb Bush said the "stand your ground law" doesn't apply here. No matter the outcome, it won't be good. And I agree, if he gets off, I think it's going to make the LA riots look like a cake walk.
I personally don't think Zimmerman has a case, if he continued to follow Martin. I mean he knowingly put himself in potential danger, not saying Martin was dangerous, but if he indeed was then Zimmerman is the idiot here. I think I read somewhere where even Jeb Bush said the "stand your ground law" doesn't apply here. No matter the outcome, it won't be good. And I agree, if he gets off, I think it's going to make the LA riots look like a cake walk.
I certainly hope not..I live down here and i have a Hilton Grand time share in Orlando so people better stay calm and let justice prevail no matter the outcome.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.
But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.
49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.
Here is a quote from CL Bryant.
"People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.
But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.
49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.
Here is a quote from CL Bryant.
"People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.
But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.
49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.
Here is a quote from CL Bryant.
"People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
there is not enough time on local or national news to cover each shooting equally. if there were, the cbs nightly news would go from 30 minutes to 4 hours...
i have thought for a long time about making a thread specifically called "gun violence" where everyone can post articles about every shooting or gun murder covered in the press. no replies, no discussions, just news articles would be posted, but i figured after a few months it would be over 100 pages....
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
... the issue reeks of racism because the victim was black ...
I have no idea if it had any bearing on this situation. But your comment is part of the problem. That is the bottom line anymore isn't it?
It's funny, people talk all day about innocent until proven guilty. Then if a black man/woman is the victim of a crime by a white man/woman, instantly it's racial. It may be, but it also may not have a thing to do with it at all.
i wonder why he said
"he has his hand in his waistband and he's a black male"
and he's a black male??
See this is one things that drives me crazy. He's describing him to the operator. This is just like the nightly news that is afraid to say the race of people that commit crimes do to the fact that they will be called a racist.
This is a very sad story and what I have learned is to wait until all the facts are out before make a judgment.
But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.
49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.
Here is a quote from CL Bryant.
"People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
there is not enough time on local or national news to cover each shooting equally. if there were, the cbs nightly news would go from 30 minutes to 4 hours...
i have thought for a long time about making a thread specifically called "gun violence" where everyone can post articles about every shooting or gun murder covered in the press. no replies, no discussions, just news articles would be posted, but i figured after a few months it would be over 100 pages....
No, the bottom line is that the media needs ratings to make money. They can get viewers by saying a racist shooter kills black teen armed with skittles. They will drill this into the ground.
So he was suspended from school after being caught with a plastic bag with 'traces' of weed in it. They remove a kid from education/school/learning for something like that? That's messed up.
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That is so true....we shall see
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
It's weird how the letter of the law has over-ruled common sense and rational judgement.
So innocence has to be proven?
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like I said ..if he is proven not guilty there will be riots killing and looting.. we've seen it a few times already
so hunker down and do any shopping in that area.
Godfather.
Why would you assume such a thing...just because you have seen this before??? IF the evidence proves Zimmerman not guilty in the court of law then level heads will prevail. Some may protest or disagree with the verdict which is their right but to say there will be killings and riots is an idiotic assumption.
Are you saying this because this is what mostly black people do when they don't get justice? well.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
all i'm saying is that everything points towards his guilt right now ... it's not like a lot of it is circumstantial ... these are facts:
* zimmerman was told by police NOT to pursuit
* trayvon martin was unarmed and did not commit any crime
* zimmerman has a record of assaulting police (history of violence)
just calling like I see it...or have seen it before, I watched the news all weekend and the up rising has already started,there are people wearing hoodies and buying skittles and iced tea in protest, I hope it does not happen I hope civilized people can over come their anger and not hurt people and business if they do protest.
Godfather.
I haven't been following this thread much, but I agree with your facts. Is it not a fact that Zimmerman also shot and killed Martin? Regardless of the self-defense argument and Stand Your Ground law, he should be arrested. That police dept should be investigated by the FBI. It's standard procedure in most states to get arrested first, then released, not the other way around. Florida law is really screwed up...
would have to agree with you ... if zimmerman gets away ... i suspect there will be riots ...
yeah ... the law is fucked ... but personally, i think this points to a much larger issue which is discrimination or bias by the police force ... this potentially isolated incidence of a rogue wanna-be cop could have been quelled earlier if the Sanford Police decided to do their job ... not only did they not arrest Zimmerman, they didn't do a lot of the forensics one would expect on the scene ... gun powder, drug/alcohol testing of zimmerman (yet they tested trayvon), etc ... either they are completely amateurish or they chose not to ... and when you hear about other instances of bias in the Sanford Police - you have to question the motives ...
I'm sure you are calling it as you see fit but you can not assume just because you have seen it before it will happen this time around. I like Skittles and i have a hoodie however I'll only buy some Skittles at the moment ....it's too hot to wear a hoodie down here.
Is there an issue if people want to buy candy and wear a piece of garment thus somehow becomes an uprising? Please show me where you see people down here burning and looting over this case as we see it,....if so I'll shut up. I see those portesting wanting those in authority to get to the bottom of what happened whether it proves Zimmerman innocent or guilty.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
This may put a new light on the case...
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I think you're jumping the gun here..as I said "if he is proven NOT GUILTY" and as far as the skittles hoodies and iced tea I saw that on the news.
Godfather.
Really though, this whole situation is messed up and the media isn't doing anyone any favors. It is setup for rioting if the guy is determined to be not guilty.
One thing is for sure, that law needs to go if it in anyway ties the hands of law enforcement the way it seems to.
all I can say is wow ! this is going to get interesting.
Godfather.
LOL
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I certainly hope not..I live down here and i have a Hilton Grand time share in Orlando so people better stay calm and let justice prevail no matter the outcome.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
http://gma.yahoo.com/trayvon-martin-shooter-told-cops-teenager-went-gun-030349812--abc-news.html
But what I find mind boggling is how over St. Patty's day weekend in Chicago At least 10 people were killed, including a 6-year-old girl, in shootings over the weekend.
The slain were among at least 49 people wounded in shootings from 5 p.m. Friday to 6 a.m. Monday, according to information compiled by the Chicago Tribune.
49 people were shot!!! Where the fuck is the national media on this one? Since it is Black on Black crime it does not get reported is the conclusion I have come to.
Here is a quote from CL Bryant.
"People like Jackson and Sharpton are being misleading to suggest there is an epidemic of “white men killing black young men.”
“The epidemic is truly black on black crime,” Bryant said. “The greatest danger to the lives of young black men are young black men.”
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFirlIcz
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/26/forme ... z1qFigoMWA
agreed.
Godfather.
i have thought for a long time about making a thread specifically called "gun violence" where everyone can post articles about every shooting or gun murder covered in the press. no replies, no discussions, just news articles would be posted, but i figured after a few months it would be over 100 pages....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
See this is one things that drives me crazy. He's describing him to the operator. This is just like the nightly news that is afraid to say the race of people that commit crimes do to the fact that they will be called a racist.